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- 04:56:20-!- Guest5749 [webirc@GlobalGamers-6C5E5760.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #Firefall
- 04:57:05-!- Guest5749 is now known as Cloudchaser
- 04:57:37< Cloudchaser> *waves* Don't tell Pez I'm sneaking in to say hi. =)
- 04:57:45< Firemoth> oi
- 05:00:32< Cloudchaser> so, anyone still playing this Firefall I hear about? I'm gonna need to get Pez to remove the dev flag from my character before I can jump in game again.
- 05:00:39< Firemoth> yes
- 05:01:27<@thiconZ> it's a wild Cloudchaser
- 05:02:23< Cloudchaser> Yeah, I haven't been in here in awhile. It was too much of a distraction. :P
- 05:02:59< Cloudchaser> Now I've got a couple weeks' vacation before I start on the new job. Hopefully I'll have a chance to pop in to Firefall now and then.
- 05:05:35< Syna> suddenly:)
- 05:07:31< Syna> what about your new job, its gamedev again?
- 05:08:14< Cloudchaser> Yup. I'm pretty excited about it, but unfortunately can't talk about it, as it's on an unannounced project.
- 05:08:45< Cloudchaser> But it'll be nice to work on something brand new, rather than come into an MMO many years in.
- 05:09:13< Syna> i hope at least it would be something sci-fi
- 05:09:28< Lomgren_> I thought about game dev... it's just a bit too unstable for me. I like stability in jobs. ^^
- 05:09:35< Lomgren_> Good luck though!
- 05:09:57< Syna> apply for senior janitor at blizzard. there's always some floors to clean
- 05:10:13< Syna> (and you could tell you working in gamedev)
- 05:10:16< Cloudchaser> No thanks. I wouldn't want to work at Blizzard, in any capacity.
- 05:10:32< Lomgren_> Nah, java developer here, web-based application development
- 05:11:00< Pio> bliz does frequent layoffs
- 05:11:38< Cloudchaser> I'm not sure that's true. Last I know of was over two years ago, though it was 600 people. O_O
- 05:12:04< Syna> 600 out of how much, a few thousands?
- 05:12:32< Cloudchaser> Blizzard's huge. I don't know how huge, though. We've got a number of ex-R5'ers there now, however.
- 05:13:25< Cloudchaser> Actually, given how small R5 is now, we've got ex-R5'ers everywhere. =)
- 05:13:31< Firemoth> :(
- 05:14:07< Firemoth> is it selfish of me to with they were still with r5?
- 05:15:01< Cloudchaser> Yes. They've gone to a better place. Wish them well.
- 05:16:05< Tenosis> Canada?
- 05:16:22< AgripaE99> Detroit?
- 05:16:24< Cloudchaser> I'm still waiting for my final paycheck. They couldn't get it to me last week when I quit, due to having no money in the bank to pay me with. I was told they'll give me a call next week when they have the finances sorted out so that I can pick up my check, haha.
- 05:16:58< Firemoth> :(
- 05:17:24< Pio> i worked for a small company that had that problem. they had to take out a loan to pay people
- 05:18:02< Lomgren_> ouch
- 05:18:53< Cloudchaser> Well, needless to say, I couldn't stay there much longer in that sort of situation. A dev's gotta be able to pay rent and eat. :/ I'll miss working on Firefall, for sure.
- 05:20:04< Cloudchaser> hm, now that I can speak more freely about things: some douche on the forums posted that I shat on the game and ran away. Actually, the only thing I did recently was Assault, Firecat, and Tigerclaw. And frankly, I think they came out well.
- 05:20:23< Syna> probably total coincidence, but i was browsing through sdb tonight and found your personal(?) armor set
- 05:20:33< Cloudchaser> the other archetypes were done primarily by other designers. I just did bugfixing later.
- 05:20:58< Firemoth> i like firecat.
- 05:21:07< Cloudchaser> no coincidence. I made all the items. That was going to become the Tigerclaw class set in 1.7
- 05:21:26< Cloudchaser> I had set up item sets with set bonuses, like in the Diablo games.
- 05:21:38< Syna> coincidence on timing :)
- 05:22:03< Cloudchaser> Never finished them though. There wasn't much reason to do so in the past few weeks.
- 05:22:05<@thiconZ> https://49.media.tumblr.com/fb45b7c44ee2c89c98e031827f4e2ab6/tumblr_nn499efu7R1sh43kgo1_400.gif
- 05:22:06< Firemoth> ive never liked set bonuses, namely because i never had a full set of anything
- 05:22:20< Syna> also so many cool weapon models that probably wont get used anywhere
- 05:22:41< Pio> void rifle looks cool
- 05:22:48< Syna> i prefer the Range Finder
- 05:22:49< Pio> dont know how it works though
- 05:23:04< Firemoth> even in guildwars2, i'll have maybe 20%...40 tops, of any given set
- 05:23:13< Cloudchaser> I was doing fun things with them. For example: Assault 4-piece set bonus - "When you activate Afterburner, the cooldown on Meteor Strike is refreshed." <- The sets were all going to have ability interactions, with different flavors and abilities for each class.
- 05:23:39<@thiconZ> that sounds pretty fun
- 05:23:43< Syna> hm, sounds more interesting than what we had on pts
- 05:24:03<@thiconZ> and Firemoth just buy all the cultural armor sets, easy way to get a ton of completed set armors \o/
- 05:24:12< Firemoth> too much gold.
- 05:24:24< Firemoth> its like 200$ in real money
- 05:24:25<@thiconZ> use larauls
- 05:24:25< Cloudchaser> There are some new weapons in 1.7: the Baneclaw raid will have five new guns, unless someone pulls them out. Problem is, they'll probably be broken as all heck.
- 05:24:48<@thiconZ> daily login for a month get's you ~50% of the way to buying a full T3 set
- 05:25:04< Cloudchaser> we made them many moons ago, and they didn't get re-polished and rebalanced after the recent total combat balance/ability pass
- 05:25:14< Cloudchaser> so the numbers will be all wrong. >.>
- 05:25:18< Syna> void rifle/nanomissile?
- 05:25:28< Cloudchaser> Yes
- 05:26:09<@thiconZ> Firemoth: Use Laurels and buy Heavy Crafting Bags then sell everything in them on the auction house, you'll get the 119Gold for each completed T3 Cultural armor set in no time
- 05:26:14< Pio> yea i noticed a few weapons still underpowered
- 05:26:41<@thiconZ> Cloudchaser no one cares about balance when things are cool
- 05:26:47<@thiconZ> ;)
- 05:26:50< Cloudchaser> There's still one guy at Red 5 with some basic knowledge of how to make guns/abilities. I wish him luck. Unfortunately, I don't have high regard for his technical capability at implementing them. He's pretty junior.
- 05:27:16< Cloudchaser> So if he sticks around, who knows how much will get done, and how buggy it'll be.
- 05:27:28< Syna> so apart from pez, lutz and maybe a few more its a totally new team?
- 05:27:44< Cloudchaser> Not at all.
- 05:27:58< Cloudchaser> first, you guys only know those few of us who ever poked our heads on the forums.
- 05:28:25< Cloudchaser> There were around thirty designers, yet as far as you guys were concerned, there were only a handful of us, since that's all you interacted with.
- 05:28:25< Syna> yeah, im more about of perceived side of this
- 05:28:56< Cloudchaser> The remaining guy who knows some weapon/ability stuff has been at R5 more than two years.
- 05:29:16< Xuerian> Tangentially related, I sortof tuned out of firefall when Cowboy started his changes. I heard they actually became pretty good near the end. What happened around that, without naming or shaming?
- 05:30:04< Cloudchaser> C0wb0y was laid off, and the company directors asked me to un-cowboy things a bit.
- 05:30:32< Cloudchaser> I was asked to lower the skill requirement, for example. That's why gun base damage was increased, but headshot bonus damage was lowered.
- 05:30:41< Cloudchaser> Makes the game more accessible.
- 05:30:53< Syna> makes a bit more sense too
- 05:31:57< Cloudchaser> The current combat stuff was done by five designers, including myself. One per archetype.
- 05:32:26< Cloudchaser> One of them is sticking around at R5 still, to my knowledge. That's the guy who did the current Dread stuff.
- 05:32:44< Xuerian> :\
- 05:33:16< Pio> gravity pull needs to be on rhino, why is it on mammoth? D:
- 05:33:51< Cloudchaser> No comment. The only involvement I had with the Dread abilities was to go in afterward and bugfix everything so that it actually worked the way he tried to make it work, hehe.
- 05:33:52< Pio> thats one thing that never made sense to me
- 05:34:17< Xuerian> Well, hopefully the new guy has a good vision and there's someone that can fix it up afterwords
- 05:34:17< Syna> it would be good on any dread, even accord
- 05:34:55< Cloudchaser> by the way: Tigerclaw is Master Race because I like Tigerclaw best. :P
- 05:35:10<@thiconZ> lol
- 05:35:12< Pio> i wish tigerclaws fusion cannon alt fire could have been like the Arsenals beam cannon
- 05:35:25< Pio> but.. thinking that now might be too sniperlike
- 05:35:51< Cloudchaser> oh hey. And to anyone wondering: Alt fires were generally removed in favor of Aim Down Sights because the lead PvP designer (who is no longer at R5) wanted that.
- 05:36:04< Syna> *tactical facepalm*
- 05:36:08< Cloudchaser> He wanted to standardize what happens when the player right-clicks. :P
- 05:36:18< Xuerian> so
- 05:36:19< Cloudchaser> There's a reason why I never defended that on the forums.
- 05:36:25< Cloudchaser> Never spoke about it at all.
- 05:36:26< Xuerian> what you're saying is
- 05:36:31< Cloudchaser> It's because I think it was retarded.
- 05:36:32< Xuerian> it _could_ go back >_>
- 05:36:33< Pio> that's fine and all for PVP ONLY! :/
- 05:37:13< Cloudchaser> Haha. Well, I wouldn't expect many changes at all, ever again.
- 05:37:17< Pio> at least there's alt fires on the unique weapons..
- 05:37:23< Xuerian> Sigh, owch.
- 05:37:24< Cloudchaser> I think the time for changes is pretty much past.
- 05:37:26< Syna> there's none on them too, pio
- 05:37:37< Cloudchaser> You'll get some new content and level 45.
- 05:37:43< Syna> just item cards wrong, except for underpowered prison break gear
- 05:38:13<@thiconZ> Cloudchaser have you ever worked with Agora Hydra before?
- 05:38:43< Pio> the rotary autocannon drops shields and the weird medigun i forgot its name has autofire... i still have hope
- 05:38:49< Cloudchaser> Nope. I've only worked on PC MMO's using custom tools.
- 05:39:38< Syna> rotary autocannon is broken totally on live, i guess, even though i had a convo with some other dev here who said it was ok on internal
- 05:40:02< Cloudchaser> Syna: it wasn't supposed to be in the game. That's why it sucks so much.
- 05:40:29< Syna> for it to suck it should do at least some damage, but it just doesnt do any:)
- 05:40:54< Syna> best use for it so far was to cover Pez in shields entirely
- 05:41:03< Pio> yea its bugged to hell, one of the prefixes prevents it from firing until its completely charged up
- 05:41:11< Pio> still has potential
- 05:42:05< Cloudchaser> The bug fix will probably be to make it unusable and just a salvage item
- 05:42:22< Cloudchaser> and stop dropping
- 05:42:24< Xuerian> Oh, maybe another thing you can chime in on, though probably not directly. Is the engine a help or hinderance?
- 05:42:29< Pio> boo :(
- 05:42:52< Pio> game had so much potential, but i guess too much work for so little time http://i.imgur.com/Lt0dikF.png
- 05:43:46< Cloudchaser> Xuerian: No idea. Can't say I've had any problems working in it, aside from vehicle physics not playing nice with any other physics
- 05:44:34< Cloudchaser> (can't transfer momentum when mounting a vehicle or when a vehicle accellerates, for example)
- 05:45:20< Xuerian> Oh, so that's why the new mounting mechanic is fucking stupid
- 05:45:27 * Syna always wanted only 2 things, manual gearbox and parking brake
- 05:45:40< Xuerian> used to have a parking break
- 05:45:44< Xuerian> brake, even. shift-space
- 05:45:50< Xuerian> I think?
- 05:47:00< Firemoth> not that i recall, no
- 05:47:11< Xuerian> I really, really remember a brake.
- 05:47:25< Firemoth> there's a handbrake, but you gotta hold the button
- 05:47:32< Xuerian> Not that.
- 05:47:37< Pio> we're stuck with an infinitely shifting automatic :P
- 05:47:58< Syna> yup, and shift just kicks Turbo or jump if its there
- 05:48:08< Xuerian> Now it definitely does
- 05:48:46< Xuerian> https://www.reddit.com/r/firefall/comments/1l6gif/patch_notes_for_v071708/
- 05:48:50< Xuerian> ctrl-f brake
- 05:49:07< Xuerian> ctrl-space incidentally
- 05:49:14< Cloudchaser> Poor Arsenal. =(
- 05:49:36< Syna> im still in mixed feeling about him
- 05:49:37< Xuerian> So yeah, what happened there <_<
- 05:49:54< Xuerian> Don't care so much about the class, personally, but the LMG was the tits
- 05:50:07< Syna> yeah, i wanted lmg as well
- 05:50:39< Syna> ctrl-spc apparently works...but as stupid as possible, now you dont roll, you SLIDE down
- 05:51:25< Syna> thanks for digging it up anyway
- 05:51:32< Cloudchaser> I don't really know why Arsenal was removed, aside from creating symmetry with two advanced frames per archetype.
- 05:51:54< Lomgren_> I still miss the tier days.
- 05:52:04< Lomgren_> Haven't played Firefall in a year now, I think
- 05:52:07< Firemoth> i think the argument was it didnt really fit in with the other dread frames, or didnt bring anything special to the table
- 05:52:19< Cloudchaser> No version of Firefall has ever been viable, unfortunately.
- 05:52:35< Lomgren_> Not fully... but too much throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
- 05:52:36< Syna> it -did- bring special, but more like bunch of stuff tied together with duct tape
- 05:53:03< Syna> each of arsenal's things was good on its own, but as a total it was strange, to me at least
- 06:01:59< Firemoth> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/446932/Tribes/Art_Blood_Eagle.jpg what the arsenal shouldve been
- 06:02:24< Xuerian> s/arsenal/firefall/
- 06:02:28< Xuerian> rip the tribes dream
- 06:02:44 * Xuerian holds a moment of silence.
- 06:03:27< Firemoth> i sleep now
- 06:18:00-!- Cloudchaser [webirc@GlobalGamers-6C5E5760.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed]
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