SaagAlooToday at 3:13 PM
to get things started, i'm trying to decide on what formation i want of 1. don 2. incin 3. mence. 4. smeargle/shroom 5. luna/dawn wings 6. fini/sylv/zong/stak
https://pokepast.es/fae5a01c1c9af718
MunkeyToday at 3:13 PM
hmmm
SaagAlooToday at 3:14 PM
the obv downside to dw is no shadow shield. prism armor means it takes less after it's been chipped, but it doesn't stipulate that it must be chipped first like luna
MunkeyToday at 3:14 PM
not sold on the sylv
fini with nm or even moonblast seems like you get more mileage
especially since misty terrain doesn't take a moveslot and a turn
SaagAlooToday at 3:14 PM
a few perks to dw. namely gravity. earth power would 2hko incin, but it's less necessary than gravy.
MunkeyToday at 3:15 PM
hmmm
only thing i;m worries about with dw is less bulk
lunala is FAT
SaagAlooToday at 3:15 PM
sylv could be hh>sg
that dw takes about the same as my luna
shadow shield is the real difference
MunkeyToday at 3:15 PM
seriously?
wild
yeah for sure
SaagAlooToday at 3:15 PM
it requires slightly more evs but ye
MunkeyToday at 3:15 PM
it's a broken ability
SaagAlooToday at 3:16 PM
multiscale that can't be broken by fo and ignores gyara's mold breaker crunch. sick
anyway, sylv is still good imo
MunkeyToday at 3:16 PM
yeah absolutely
SaagAlooToday at 3:16 PM
it kos ray and mence with hv + qa
MunkeyToday at 3:16 PM
i think offensive sylv could be interesting but as a support i don't see the denefits of not using fini
besides that
ironically they can justr espeed before you finish them off
SaagAlooToday at 3:17 PM
hv puts incin in range of pblades most of the time. if hh i could just do that
MunkeyToday at 3:17 PM
v true
SaagAlooToday at 3:17 PM
da procs wiki, so i can take da + espeed
sylv is way more offensive
MunkeyToday at 3:17 PM
hh blades is a phenomenal combo
SaagAlooToday at 3:17 PM
esp in gravy
MunkeyToday at 3:17 PM
v true yes
SaagAlooToday at 3:18 PM
in the games ive brought it to, ive only used hv and detect. qa like twice? the last move never, yet
MunkeyToday at 3:18 PM
my argument is that you can give fini gravity and free up a slot on your restricted
then you're clicking a move
SaagAlooToday at 3:18 PM
what do you mean by that last part
oh i see, on dw
MunkeyToday at 3:18 PM
yeah
SaagAlooToday at 3:19 PM
i like gravity on dw bc i bring it every game, and it's usually early in the game. so every game i bring gravity pblades
fini takes a little more maneuvering to get up gravity.
smeargle dw puts on a lot of pressure. fini smeargle/incin sets up too, but doesn't really have much pressure
MunkeyToday at 3:20 PM
this is true
SaagAlooToday at 3:20 PM
but i think dw is a worse mon outside of gravity
so, i am nonetheless considering gravity on fini, stak, or zong. gravity setters are like this: dw>zong>stak>fini
the difference between stak and zong being almost negilible. zong gets hyp, stak gets wg/protect
MunkeyToday at 3:21 PM
zong just seems so bad bc you miss out on not being killed by lunala and incin
so if you have zong and a ghost restricted that seems sketch
SaagAlooToday at 3:22 PM
yeah it banks hard on smeargle
stak is worse against primals, but wg + resist berry (shuca or passho?) keeps them at bay at least
MunkeyToday at 3:23 PM
yes for sure
ep is a thing and i'm p sure that pops stak anyways
SaagAlooToday at 3:23 PM
double tr is sick though, bc you can tr + tr on the last turn of tr
ye, shuca lets you live it. from timid unec and modest don
oh wait, any unec iirc
bc theres no way modest unec does more than stab modest don
this is the lunadon team i've been using for a while. the sixth slot is frustrating bc there are too many good choices but none seem perfect (which is fine for a sixth slot, the first five cover almost everything else)
https://pokepast.es/87d6855f97cd3751
MunkeyToday at 3:26 PM
i'm not sold on lunadon as an archetype yet
SaagAlooToday at 3:27 PM
it doesn't have the mu comfort of xl, but it has great field control
MunkeyToday at 3:27 PM
for sure yes
SaagAlooToday at 3:27 PM
I think it's A-tier, maybe B-tier at worst
MunkeyToday at 3:27 PM
that seems fair
SaagAlooToday at 3:28 PM
don is just such a good backbone to a team. lunadon requires a little less stamina than xl
MunkeyToday at 3:28 PM
i can definitely see that yes
SaagAlooToday at 3:29 PM
like, it has a higher skill floor than xl, and a similar skill ceiling
but hitting that skill ceiling feels more accessible with xl
accessible/easier/whatever...
MunkeyToday at 3:30 PM
yeah that makes sense
honestly i'm not a huge fan of xern in ultra
SaagAlooToday at 3:31 PM
waaaa
MunkeyToday at 3:31 PM
there's no good spread for it
SaagAlooToday at 3:31 PM
idk, it goes between s and a tier for me
were you using timid? idr
MunkeyToday at 3:31 PM
no
i've tested both
SaagAlooToday at 3:32 PM
the worst thing about bulky is being slower than other xern, but if the rest of your team can handle xern (like steel tr + a resist or two (DON)), it's not a big deal imo
but the problem with xl is that the only thing that matches up positively against faster xern is your shroom... yikes
so you have to somehow get yours set up better or snub theirs with csmog
mind if i add preston in here?
MunkeyToday at 3:34 PM
for sure yeah go for it
the approach of haze fini the other xern before you geo worked well on xy in moon