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AbsurdityToday at 12:01 PM
Okay Jeremy Rodrigues did break the rules, by his own account.
Need to solve Tommy Cooleen's set.

000ajToday at 12:01 PM
Plot twist

AbsurdityToday at 12:02 PM
Going to have dinner now.

000ajToday at 12:02 PM
Can you at least elaborate the Jeremy part a bit more?

PokeAlexToday at 12:02 PM
What a mess

AbsurdityToday at 12:02 PM
Also accusations of lying are a bit off, there is a very plausible case for a lot of misscominication here
He admitted he opened games under a minute into the games
It's that simple.

000ajToday at 12:03 PM
You mean turn on timer

JZGToday at 12:04 PM
Wait hold the fuck up
No this is not over
What on earth are you doing
You can’t just say that and then “fuck this I’m out”

000ajToday at 12:07 PM
Can't you guys just play that game 7 and be done with this?

JZGToday at 12:07 PM
WE TRIED
Blame Arash he’s literally all that’s holding this up

LightCoreToday at 12:07 PM
We legit tried to play game 7

JZGToday at 12:07 PM
Even desu wanted to go

LightCoreToday at 12:08 PM
Arash refused to allow Desu
Angel was geared up and ready to play and Arash stalled a whole day

000ajToday at 12:08 PM
At this point, just give both teams the loss and let Japan win

ArashToday at 12:09 PM
You broke that rule twice and I want you to get a penalty because that's fair
You can make a mess as much as you want. What I'm saying is really simple

000ajToday at 12:09 PM
Sure, but you can still play the game and have the TO decide ruling later

ArashToday at 12:09 PM
If we end up having to play then we will do that

LightCoreToday at 12:10 PM
We think what you did is insane and unfair to our players

ArashToday at 12:10 PM
@000aj theoretically yes, not so sure that is what would happen

LightCoreToday at 12:10 PM
Throwing a temper tantrum in the game chat and refusing to allow our players to play at the scheduled time

JZGToday at 12:10 PM
You singlehandedly delayed the entire tournament
And circumvented me to bitch to TWO of my players on separate occasions as their sets were beginning or ending

LightCoreToday at 12:12 PM
Not even to mention that he complained about Modchat being set in a game in which spectators were being awful, and only decided to bring this issue up after he decided he wanted to start an argument
Nothing at all was said to us or anyone about Serapis vs Nirinbo being an issue until last night

JZGToday at 12:14 PM
You literally ruled in our favor barely a day ago
You can’t just drop that with no even indication that you’re looking into it or whatever
On a further note I fail to see how the initial timer ruling is relevant in basically any circumstances
The situation was someone triggered timer while games 2 and 3 were being opened
Which is just dumb
And not a situation that has bearing here
PS timer is far more generous than in game timer in literally every circumstance and it’s still not enough?

AbsurdityToday at 12:30 PM
I haven't ruled anything yet, I'm stating that Jeremy Rodrigues at least did break the rules.

AbsurdityToday at 12:51 PM
In the case of Jeremy Rodrigues: Arash is correct and he is going to be issued a warning, this is the first time this has happened with him and the integrity of the set wasn't particularly pulled into question. By the way Jeremy spoke in the game itself during game 1 it seems quite clear to me this wasn't malicious and is much more likely to be the result of oversight or not following the rule changes closely enough. At no point during the set did Davide Carrer indicate this was an issue for him, and the outcome of the set ended up coming down purely to play.

This is not a major rule infringement and no other issue stemmed from it, as such I find the warning justified.

I have to still see what happened with Tommy Cooleen and decide on Desu vs Angel.

AbsurdityToday at 1:25 PM
I am going to have Angel and Desu play without any game losses being incurred on either side, they will be granted an extension where necessary. My reasoning for this is as follows: the integrity of this round really hasn't been pulled in question as a result of timers being turned on despite the rules in place. I haven't yet been able to come to a conclusion regarding Tommy Cooleen, however I have decided that the outcome of that, beyond a potential warning, is irrelevant to whether or not Desu and Angel should be permitted to play or not. Tommy Cooleen lost the set regardless, so Italy has no reason to claim an integrity issue over this set.

I will not award any team with a game win, despite not being happy with how either side handled this. Nobody stood to gain here, and all that was reached is frustration even if technically speaking a manager holds the right to wait until a TO steps in to rule on a dispute they have raised.

There were no server issues on showdown, confirmed by Zarel and HoeenHero. However I do believe Desu and others when they stated that there were individuals in Italy having issues with regards to Showdown connectivity. This could have been due to cloudfare, or personal network issues. Arash was not unjustified in raising this matter with the managers of team US East. During this exchange Arash mistakenly interpreted something stated by JZG as a promise to not turn on timers in the sets of their teams, which was obviously not what Jeremy was trying to communicate. Having read the exchange there is definitely ambiguity, and this miscommunication is very plausible. How things escalated from here onwards however is not justified. Both sides allowed the rhetoric to escalate and eventually good-will was lost for both parties involved, this is a shame. I do not think that seeking a game win here was necessary on Italy's end, but they were not unjustified in how they acted despite it being  a questionable show of sportsmanship.

JZGToday at 1:27 PM
Are you insane
Are you actually insane
They used a fabricated issue to hold up the set and we don’t even get game 1

LightCoreToday at 1:28 PM
lets not
insult him

JZGToday at 1:28 PM
Fine
Point stands
Sorry about that I’m really unhappy about this
We were prepared to go immediately and one team held up the set
And used a made up issue to try to make us play on their conditions
Arash dmed one of my players mid set earlier this week
And no punishment is being doled out
This is ridiculous

AbsurdityToday at 1:31 PM
They used a fabricated issue to hold up the set and we don’t even get game 1
It is not per se fabricated although it is blown out of proportion.

JZGToday at 1:32 PM
Arash told me it was a Europe wide server issue
I can provide you with the direct log

AbsurdityToday at 1:32 PM
I do not agree with how that decision was made by Arash, but they were not technically wrong to do so.
I have read that
That is obviously wrong minus potential cloudfare issues in Europe

JZGToday at 1:32 PM


AbsurdityToday at 1:33 PM
The devs themselves said that it could realistically be a cloudfare problem rather than a showdown issue

JZGToday at 1:33 PM
I’m sorry for the late drop on the fact that Arash dmed Serapis mid set as well I only found out today

AbsurdityToday at 1:33 PM
I am not going to push this line any further as it cannot be proven either way

LightCoreToday at 1:33 PM
However the response can be pushed
turning on timer and turning off if a player disconnects

JZGToday at 1:34 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous

LightCoreToday at 1:34 PM
is completely fine

JZGToday at 1:34 PM
The fact that Italy’s conduct is going unpunished
Do you care about the integrity of this tournament
The rules need to be enforced

LightCoreToday at 1:34 PM
omg stop insulting him

JZGToday at 1:34 PM
That’s not an insult that’s a question

AbsurdityToday at 1:34 PM
The integrity of the tournament stands

JZGToday at 1:35 PM
Or at least I don’t intend it as one

AbsurdityToday at 1:36 PM
And secondly, Arash was justified in what he did despite it going against the ethos of the tournament. If he has an issue with this he can personally raise it with me, and if it continues to happen then further action may be considered. The same applies to any team.

JZGToday at 1:36 PM
Justified in what
Distracting my player mid set
Over modchat being on
Are you serious

AbsurdityToday at 1:37 PM
There was a rule infringement, escalating it in another game however is not justified and I've literally just spoken out against how that happened

JZGToday at 1:37 PM
And yet that’s all you’re doing
“There was a rule infringement”

AbsurdityToday at 1:37 PM
I will not punish Desu and Angel for the actions of a manager here.
They just want to play

JZGToday at 1:37 PM
And I was fine letting them play

AbsurdityToday at 1:38 PM
I will take actions against a manager

JZGToday at 1:38 PM
I have been vocal about that from the start

AbsurdityToday at 1:38 PM
If it's really necessary

JZGToday at 1:38 PM
Manager actions have team consequences

AbsurdityToday at 1:40 PM
They do, they have consequences for the entire tournament and this entire ordeal has not lead to anything productive. I personally believe how Arash acted to have been unsportsmanlike but justified, and how the issue was escalated in-game was out of line.

JZGToday at 1:40 PM
You’re empowered to do something about that though
And you’re choosing not to

AbsurdityToday at 1:42 PM
I am, and what makes you think absolutely nothing will be done?

I am not out here to cause drama however. Lots will have to be looked at and revised next year, and this includes making it very clear what's expected from managers and taking a look at that next year. I am not going to issue any direct penalties however.

JZGToday at 1:42 PM
Not issuing penalties is nothing being done
You said verbatim that rules were broken

AbsurdityToday at 1:42 PM
It's nothing being done now, and I always act primarily in the interest of the tournament

ArashToday at 1:42 PM
Dude

AbsurdityToday at 1:42 PM
Giving a game win is not that

ArashToday at 1:43 PM
They're lying
I texted tman, not serapis
And it was not mid set
And you know it because we already discussed it

AbsurdityToday at 1:43 PM
It doesn't really matter who did this, and who did what by now

ArashToday at 1:43 PM
You're just trying to make us look bad

JZGToday at 1:44 PM
Serapis says you dmed him

AbsurdityToday at 1:44 PM
This is unnecessary, and I am very aware neither side is pleased.

JZGToday at 1:44 PM
Over modchat
Maybe he’s wrong but I can go look for logs

ArashToday at 1:44 PM
No I never contacted serapis
Thats bs

JZGToday at 1:44 PM
You’re not really acting in the interest of the tournament Lyam

000ajToday at 1:44 PM
:popcorn:

JZGToday at 1:44 PM
You’re letting violations of the rules go unpunished
You yourself acknowledged that rules were broken

EmbCToday at 1:45 PM
can both teams get a game loss simply bc of this non sense

ArashToday at 1:45 PM
Dude

000ajToday at 1:45 PM
Just give Japan the win at this point
Cancel finals

EmbCToday at 1:46 PM
yeah

ArashToday at 1:46 PM
You'spamming the chat all days and even telling lies to discredit us
Fuck off

JZGToday at 1:46 PM
If you didn’t dm Serapis sorry I only have what he told me
Also you are singlehandedly the reason this is an issue right now

ArashToday at 1:47 PM
I've never talked to serapis in my life

JZGToday at 1:47 PM
You refused to allow the set to be played when LITERALLY EVERYONE wanted to play

ArashToday at 1:47 PM
No dude fuck you
We're trying to figure this and you're making up lies
I never lied about this
Are you serious!?

JZGToday at 1:47 PM
What the fuck are you talking about
Angel v Desu was ready to go
Desu wanted to play Angel wanted to play US East wanted them to play
And you said no

ArashToday at 1:49 PM
Are you stupid? Because you keep repeating that from yesterday
Pretty sure at this point everyone knows whats your opinion

JZGToday at 1:49 PM
Is that not what happened? You seem to be denying it

ArashToday at 1:49 PM
No its your opinion
I said my point of view already
Stop making a mess for no reason and let the admins fix this

JZGToday at 1:51 PM
I’m not the one making a mess dude I spent half of yesterday trying to resolve this privately and you didn’t budge

EmbCToday at 1:51 PM
you're both making a huge mess

ArashToday at 1:52 PM
No edu
They literally just made up that I texted serapis mid set when I literally never spoke to that guy in my life

JZGToday at 1:53 PM
Serapis said that to me man
I’m sorry if he’s wrong

ArashToday at 1:53 PM
Hoping that I wouldnt read it and to make me look bad
You guys are fucking pathetic
Everyone makes mistakes
Just deal with the consequences damn

JZGToday at 1:53 PM
Dude how many times do you want a fucking apology it was bad info

000ajToday at 1:54 PM
This is literally going nowhere

ArashToday at 1:54 PM
Dude I can't read this chat all day you know. What if I didn't see that!?
Are you surprised I'm angry?

JZGToday at 1:54 PM
I would’ve gone and looked for logs and if there was nothing there I’d realize he was wrong