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- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-order_simulacra
- Last link I posted before I fell asleep deals with Post-Modernism. A difficult to fully understand concept. Layers of Meta bullshit.
- Being insane makes this easier. Not a joke. There is good reason for it as it deals with reality and representation.
- This "idea" or set of "ideas" has been applied to much of society and many people work within it though they don't know so.
- There are no jokes here just slow creeping terror and varying layers of hell.
- Let's discuss "map–territory relation" or -the relationship between an object and a representation of that object,
- as in the relation between a geographical territory and a map of it.-
- What does this mean more plainly?
- A map is a representation of a territory.
- A map is not the territory itself.
- Mind bending shit, but taken further as Polish-American scientist and philosopher Alfred Korzybski remarked "the word is not the thing".
- The word can describe the thing, it can represent the thing, but it is not the thing itself.
- Just because you say it or feel it does not make it true.
- it does not make it real.
- That -an abstraction derived from something, or a reaction to it, is not the thing itself.-
- If you're thinking, "well, yes, of course" good for you.
- Now comes the encroaching terror as, assuming you haven't already, you notice that this obvious fact is not the way the world works.
- -Korzybski held that many people do confuse maps with territories, that is, confuse models of reality with reality itself.-
- "The map is not the territory."
- -The expression first appeared in print in a paper that Alfred Korzybski gave at a meeting of the
- American Association for the Advancement of Science in New Orleans, Louisiana in 1931.-
- Remember when NORLANS did something in society other than get college women to flash tits and drown?
- Not many people do.
- The original idea this was based upon was from a mathematician.
- -In Science and Sanity, Korzybski acknowledges his debt to mathematician Eric Temple Bell, whose epigram "the map is not the thing mapped" was published in Numerology.-
- -A map is not the territory it represents, but, if correct, it has a similar structure to the territory, which accounts for its usefulness.-
- -The Belgian surrealist artist René Magritte illustrated the concept of "perception always intercedes between reality and ourselves"-
- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAGK0V6UAAAzBRY.jpg
- "This is not a pipe"
- Get it? Got it? Good.
- And now we accelerate the concept.
- - Exoteric concepts are concepts which can be fully conveyed using descriptors and language constructs, such as mathematics.
- Esoteric concepts are concepts which cannot be fully conveyed except by direct experience.-
- -For example, a person who has never tasted an apple will never fully understand through language what the taste of an apple is.
- Only through direct experience (eating an apple) can that experience be fully understood.-
- -made the point humorously with his description of a fictional map that had "the scale of a mile to the mile".
- A character notes some practical difficulties with such a map and states that
- //make note of this,going to get so much dumber.
- "we now use the country itself, as its own map, and I assure you it does nearly as well."-
- -The University of Cambridge economist Joan Robinson (1962) emphasized the disutility of 1:1 maps and other overly detailed models:
- "A model which took account of all the variation of reality would be of no more use than a map at the scale of one to one."-
- -storyline in his comic Labyrinthe: a map can never guarantee that one will find the way out,
- because the accumulation of events can change the way one looks at reality.-
- You should know where this is going by now.
- Imagine creating a map that was not a representation of a territory, but your ideal image of what a territory should look like.
- Now imagine thinking that if you did this enough, the territory itself would soon began to reform itself in reality according to your map.
- Well, you probably think it would be silly then, to go around, following that map as if it were accurate in anyway whatsoever.
- Doubly silly when the person starts complaining, and bemoaning that their map is inaccurate and that the territory must reshape to them.
- Now understand that this society has been running, well over half a century now, on this very mode of thinking.
- Nothing has changed, and they will continue to do this until either everyone dies,
- or they are killed, not assassinated, because the society rejects the way of thinking.
- Until then nothing will change this.
- Reality becomes muted under layers of projections of ideal versions of reality, but reality does not go away and it becomes more agitated
- the more of these are piled on because they are false, they are not representations and eventually, reality makes itself known.
- Dog on fire, drinking coffee.
- "This is fine."
- What does that have to do with the link now we return to it.
- Simulacra and Simulation, a treatise by a Frenchman, Jean Baudrillard.
- Examining -the relationships among reality, symbols, and society.-
- -Simulacra are copies that depict things that either had no original to begin with, or that no longer have an original.
- Simulation is the imitation of the operation of a real-world process or system over time.-
- -The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth—it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true.-
- -Baudrillard claims that our current society has replaced all reality and meaning with symbols and signs,
- and that human experience is of a simulation of reality. -
- //no, this isn't matrix shit
- -Moreover, these simulacra are not merely mediations of reality, nor even deceptive mediations of reality;
- they are not based in a reality nor do they hide a reality,
- they simply hide that nothing like reality is relevant to our current understanding of our lives.-
- Where do this go, this is the understanding of "Societal Constructs" as being niches and holes people are put into.
- This is not the idea that if you pretend reality is a social construct it will become nothing but one.
- The difference between a constructed and false view of the world and the world.
- -Baudrillard believed that society has become so saturated with these simulacra and our lives so saturated with the
- constructs of society that all meaning was being rendered meaningless by being infinitely mutable.-
- "Everyone is everyone"
- The deconstructionists are nothing but subversive builders of a false reality, while they pretend to be it's savors.
- -The first stage is a faithful image/copy, where we believe, and it may even be correct,
- that a sign is a "reflection of a profound reality" (pg 6), this is a good appearance, in what Baudrillard called "the sacramental order".-
- -The second stage is perversion of reality,
- this is where we come to believe the sign to be an unfaithful copy, which "masks and denatures" reality as an "evil appearance—
- it is of the order of maleficence". Here, signs and images do not faithfully reveal reality to us,
- but can hint at the existence of an obscure reality which the sign itself is incapable of encapsulating.-
- -The third stage masks the absence of a profound reality,
- where the sign pretends to be a faithful copy, but it is a copy with no original.
- Signs and images claim to represent something real, but no representation is taking place
- and arbitrary images are merely suggested as things which they have no relationship to.
- //That's where the meaning becomes lost because everything becomes everything.
- Baudrillard calls this the "order of sorcery", a regime of semantic algebra where all human meaning is conjured artificially to appear as a reference to the (increasingly) hermetic truth.--
- //Why, as a mother fucker with a psychosis does post-modernism scare me so much this is why:
- -The fourth stage is pure simulacrum,
- in which the simulacrum has no relationship to any reality whatsoever.
- Here, signs merely reflect other signs and any claim to reality on the part of images or signs is only of the order of other such claims.
- //self-referential constructions of false realities.
- This is a regime of total equivalency, where cultural products need no longer even pretend to be real in a naïve sense,
- //Clarification: having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality; unsophisticated; ingenuous.
- because the experiences of consumers' lives are so predominantly artificial that even claims to reality are
- expected to be phrased in artificial, "hyperreal" terms.
- Any naïve pretension to reality as such is perceived as bereft of critical self-awareness, and thus as oversentimental.-
- //You just don't understand your own privilege in society, what you're feeling is just white fragility.
- //reactionary. whitelash. etc etc.
- These are hyper real terms.
- short segue:
- -inability of consciousness to distinguish reality from a simulation of reality-
- further clarification of definitions:
- Recall "Simulation" as defined in the text.
- -is the imitation of the operation of a real-world process or system over time.-
- The perceived representation of reality and the reality.
- The inability to distinguish these things from each other.
- You have privilege even though you are poor, destitute or otherwise oppressed in some way because you must because otherwise
- certain peoples succeeding more than others must break the imitation of reality, the false "signs" that are equality. They fall apart.
- Self-referencing pseudo realities.
- The "profound truth" of equality that a society of equal outcome represents.
- Society is not equal therefore the representation must be "perverted" or "distorted" by something.
- Racism, white privilege.
- This builds.
- It self-references.
- It never acknowledges that it's "Truth" never actually existed.
- Equality is a societal construct to make everyone the same.
- Reality is muted.
- But it remains, semi perceived in representations of reality.
- Statistics.
- History.
- Day to day life.
- Recall:
- "where cultural products need no longer even pretend to be real in a naïve sense"
- We was
- "Blacks invented everything"
- And every single fucking movie, show, whatever, where reality is distorted to fit an agenda
- Why?
- Recall again:
- They do not need to even pretend to be real
- -because the experiences of consumers' lives are so predominantly artificial
- that even claims to reality are expected to be phrased in artificial, "hyperreal" terms.-
- Why do the terms white fragility, whitelash, angry white guy etc etc exist?
- Recall:
- -Any naïve pretension to reality as such is perceived as bereft of critical self-awareness, and thus as oversentimental.-
- "You just don't know that truth is myth.
- My myths are Truth."
- Europeans wrote a lot of history, therefore all history as written should be assumed false and isntead the total opposite assumed truth.
- We call it Afrocentrism.
- -Proponents of Afrocentrism support the claim that the contributions of various African people have been downplayed or
- discredited as part of the legacy of colonialism and slavery's pathology of "writing Africans out of history"-
- "Legacy of Colonialism."
- "Slavery's Pathology."
- Self-referencing constructions.
- The word is not the thing.
- -third order are symbols that have become without referents, that is, symbols with no real object to represent but pretends to be
- a faithful copy of an original.
- Simply put, a third-order simulacra are symbols in themselves taken for reality and further layer of symbolism is added. -
- layers muting reality.
- -This occurs when the symbol is taken to be more important or authoritative of the original entity,
- authenticity has been replaced by copy (thus reality is replaced by a substitute).-
- -The consequence of the propagation of second-order simulacra is that, within the affected context, nothing is "real,"
- though those engaged in the illusion are incapable of seeing it.
- Instead of having experiences, people observe spectacles, via real or metaphorical
- control screens. Instead of the real, we have simulation and simulacra, the hyperreal.-
- -The simulacra that Baudrillard refers to are the significations and symbolism of
- culture and media that construct perceived reality,
- the acquired understanding by which our lives and shared existence is and are rendered legible; -
- Did you remember what I said to note? About the 1-1 map?
- -a short story by Borges in which a king requests a map (i.e. a symbol) to be produced so detailed that
- it ends up coming into one-to-one correspondence with the territory (i.e. the real area the map is to represent);
- this references the philosophical concept of map–territory relation.
- //here is the important part for why I said note it
- Baudrillard argues that in the postmodern epoch, the territory ceases to exist, and there is nothing left but the map;
- or indeed, the very concepts of the map and the territory have become indistinguishable,
- the distinction which once existed between them having been erased.-
- Now the layers of hell.
- -Among the many issues associated with the propagation of second-order simulacra to the third-order is what Baudrillard considers
- the termination of history.-
- -The method of this termination comes through the lack of oppositional elements in society, with the mass having become
- "the silent majority,"
- an imploded concept which absorbs images passively, becoming itself a media overwritten by those who speak for it
- (i.e. the people are symbolically represented by governing agents and market statistic, marginalizing the people themselves).
- - For Baudrillard this is the natural result of an ethic of unity in which actually agonistic
- opposites are taken to be essentially the same. -
- //Read this carefully.
- //This is how they protect what they do. By claiming what you're attacking, is something else entirely.
- //Thus, protecting what they do by rallying the forces of something else, who have been made to believe, this relates to them.
- -For example,
- Baudrillard contends that moral universalism (human rights, equality) is equated with globalization,
- which is not concerned with immutable values but with mediums of exchange and equalisation such as the global market and mass media.-
- //This is how you get these idiots defending the very thing killing what they claim to want to protect.
- Everything has become everything.
- So they now believe the murderer the surgeon.
- Everything has "ulterior motives" now because they equate them all as the same things.
- You want the "surveillance", "mass media" society in which a systematic control of the population takes place
- through symbols representing things they have no relation to, to rally them into doing whatever they want them to?
- You want muh bourgeoisie, convincing muh proletariat to defend their interests?
- This is it.
- Take the concept of the upper class manipulating the middle and lower into defending their own destruction "basic lefty thinking"
- now meta it by one whole layer
- That concept is now part of the control.
- There you go.
- Does that mean it isn't happening?
- No.
- It means that concept is known and has been itself, assimilated into the structure.
- Despite what some might think, to the mind, contradiction does not stand out and prove a thing false.
- It just clouds it further.
- "The supreme luxury of the society of technical necessity will be to grant the bonus of useless revolt and of an acquiescent smile. —Jacques Ellul"
- Now imma go play video games.
- Okay bye.
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