Bro, I won this battle.

[22:10] == Bro_ [~chatzilla@S010678cd8e7ad628.tb.shawcable.net] has joined #clubpenguinfanon
[22:10] == mode/#clubpenguinfanon [+o Bro_] by ChanServ
[22:13] <Swiss_Ninja> Cp_kid, Shops' island future was already decided by Bro
[22:13] <Swiss_Ninja> you can't change it
[22:13] <Swiss_Ninja> it's grandfathered
[22:13] <Swiss_Ninja> and the AU will probably take it over if it doesn't become a country
[22:13] <+Cp_kid> I'm not changing shops' future
[22:13] <+Cp_kid> Shops is destroyed at this point
[22:14] <+Cp_kid> and the only people who are in this union (that you probably didn't know about prior to Bro complaining to you five seconds ago) thusfar are nations that bro doesn't have OOC control over
[22:14] <+Cp_kid> chill island, moon island and freezestonia
[22:15] <Swiss_Ninja> ....
[22:15] <Swiss_Ninja> Bro come on here
[22:15] <Swiss_Ninja> we need to discuss this together.
[22:15] <@Bro_> I have grandfathered control over them
[22:15] <@Bro_> their affiliation with Shops makes them vulnerable
[22:16] <Swiss_Ninja> Very true.
[22:16] <@Bro_> by 2026 many countries will have a vendetta on Shops
[22:16] <@Bro_> and will want revenge
[22:16] <+Cp_kid> then I guess they can revert ever joining shops?
[22:16] <@Bro_> they'll take what they can get
[22:16] <@Bro_> no
[22:16] <Swiss_Ninja> Especially Snowzerland.
[22:16] <@Bro_> also, these new countries is a direct violation of the country policy
[22:16] <+Cp_kid> Snowzerland had their revenge by causing the destruction of shops, no?
[22:16] <@Bro_> no
[22:16] <@Bro_> they weren't involved
[22:16] <+Cp_kid> Bro these are future countries, not current countries
[22:17] <@Bro_> doesn't matter.
[22:17] <@Bro_> we can still say no
[22:17] <+Cp_kid> because you're an admin and you can do what you want
[22:17] <+Cp_kid> I figured you'd pull this card
[22:18] <+Cp_kid> bending the policies to fit your whim
[22:18] <Swiss_Ninja> ok well then, when did Bro make these Future plans?
[22:19] <@Bro_> over a year ago
[22:19] <@Bro_> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Code_of_Conduct_and_Policy/Countries
[22:19] <+Cp_kid> I don't get how it's important either, forcing people's small nations into being taken over by parody nations
[22:19] <@Bro_> Please note that we reserve the right to continue disallowing country making if you are unruly, or are not deemed fit; even if you meet the criteria above.
[22:20] <@Bro_> Therefore, country making is banned,
[22:20] <+Cp_kid> and it's not fit because you don't like the idea
[22:20] <@Bro_> there's no clause saying it's only for current countries
[22:21] <+Cp_kid> Honestly though, after shops' destruction you have no say in what will happen to territories belonging to other people
[22:21] <@Bro_> Cp_kid, Swiss told me quite a while back that Shops' former territories would be gobbled up by the AU
[22:22] <@Bro_> it was set in stone before you even thought about it
[22:22] <+Cp_kid> and it's not like they're new countries either
[22:22] <+Cp_kid> they've always been semi-autonomous
[22:22] <+Cp_kid> and they were all countries before they joined shops
[22:22] <@Bro_> times change.
[22:22] <@Bro_> do you seriously want to argue about this?
[22:23] <@Bro_> because I can bend the rules even more and ban your ass if you want to go that way.
[22:23] <+Cp_kid> Bro_ Shops former territories controlled by /you/ can be gobbled if thats what you so desire, but not those belonging to other people
[22:23] <+Cp_kid> I'd like to see you try.
[22:23] <@Bro_> it's time for some...
[22:24] <@Bro_> BIGGER-ARMY DIPLOMACY!
[22:24] <@Bro_> it's quite simple actually
[22:24] <@Bro_> the bigger army always wins
[22:24] <@Bro_> the AU will want to gobble up smaller nations
[22:24] <@Bro_> plus Chill and Snow were gone for a long time
[22:24] <@Bro_> and Dps left Moon Island out to dry pretty much
[22:25] <Swiss_Ninja> Bro_, let's not get too cocky, CK, be patient.
[22:25] <@Bro_> ok
[22:25] <Swiss_Ninja> OK CK, then what IS your plans for these nations?
[22:25] <@Bro_> we can disallow their independence.
[22:25] <@Bro_> which means they /have/ to join another country
[22:25] <@Bro_> Snow already agreed for Freezestonia to join the Seal Islands
[22:25] <Swiss_Ninja> ok
[22:26] <@Bro_> and I'm pretty sure Moon Island would join Zhou
[22:26] <+Cp_kid> and bro, I can incorporate that if push comes to shove with this union
[22:26] <Swiss_Ninja> but Cp_kid, what DO you want with these places?
[22:26] <+Cp_kid> they should be independent minor nations
[22:26] <+Cp_kid> Swiss Ninja not all nations should be your parody countries with colonies
[22:26] <@Bro_> bigger countries still hold grudges
[22:26] <@Bro_> and want revenge
[22:27] <+Cp_kid> It seems like recently people have been trying to gobble up user-made nation
[22:27] <@Bro_> and /will/ destroy Shops' remnants
[22:27] <+Cp_kid> Bro they have none of shops' former power though, the war destroyed it all
[22:28] <@Bro_> and for the third time, these new independent countries are banned by the country policy
[22:28] <+Cp_kid> but it's in the /future/
[22:28] <+Cp_kid> so why does it matter?
[22:29] <@Bro_> because I said so.
[22:29] <@Bro_> I don't want these little mites from Shops running around
[22:29] <+Cp_kid> the reason the country policy was made was to stop countries from "polluting" the database. But, as the times change, things would change in antarctic society as well, the parody countries can't be the only countries forever.
[22:29] <Swiss_Ninja> Well, the thing is CK,
[22:29] <+Cp_kid> well it doesn't matter what you say, they're not your properties
[22:29] <@Bro_> we will give permission when we see fit.
[22:29] <Swiss_Ninja> by the time Shops falls,
[22:29] <Swiss_Ninja> these nations are vulnerably
[22:29] <@Bro_> these countries are mediocre at best
[22:30] <Swiss_Ninja> the nations of the AU are hungry for land
[22:30] <Swiss_Ninja> *vulnerably
[22:30] <+Cp_kid> heck, they could be free republics of the US if all else fails, no?
[22:30] <+Cp_kid> I not suggesting that, but I'm just saaying
[22:30] <Swiss_Ninja> True
[22:30] <Swiss_Ninja> That is, 1. If the USA still exists or 2. The USA gets involved
[22:31] <+Cp_kid> if bro's gonna be that much of a douche over nothing
[22:31] <Swiss_Ninja> which, knowing the actual USA, would do that
[22:31] <Swiss_Ninja> which by 2020 i think the USA will still be around.
[22:31] <@Bro_> they can become autonomous territories of other countries
[22:32] <+Cp_kid> but still, I think you should just let me explain this stuff first, and an official "ruling" can be decided later
[22:32] <@Bro_> or they can all amalgamate to become one federation/country or something.
[22:32] <@Bro_> that I would allow
[22:32] <+Cp_kid> well they want to be their own nations though from what I've gathered
[22:32] <@Bro_> take it or leave it
[22:33] <+Cp_kid> You don't control everything, and I highly doubt this is the end of this discussion.
[22:34] <@Bro_> it's either become one country, or face extermination by the empires
[22:35] <@Bro_> you can't stop the AU countries from invading
[22:35] <+Cp_kid> I could probably find a way around that
[22:36] <+Cp_kid> btw, AU as in Asiapelago?
[22:37] <@Bro_> Ninja Archipelago
[22:37] <@Bro_> Archipelago Union
[22:37] <+Cp_kid> that's what I thought, just checking
[22:39] <@Bro_> do you think these tiny countries could really win a war against Antarctica's greatest empires?
[22:39] <+Cp_kid> no, but they don't need to
[22:40] <+Cp_kid> the OOC holders don't want them to be absorbed into other nations, so they can't be
[22:40] <+Cp_kid> and all this union does is make a more logical case, the AU stays away from the nations because they are a unified force, a little more intimidating
[22:40] <@Bro_> that doesn't mean the OOC holders have the ability to bypass the country policy
[22:40] <+Cp_kid> but this isn't what the country policy was intended for
[22:41] <@Bro_> yes it was
[22:41] == Rogue_Tvarkov [b4bfc22e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.191.194.46] has joined #clubpenguinfanon
[22:41] <@Bro_> it was intended to prevent the creation of countries.
[22:41] <@Bro_> which is exactly what you're going against
[22:42] <+Cp_kid> From what I gathered the country policy was intended to stop random junk articles like http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Stoland
[22:42] <+Cp_kid> not well intentioned, potential countries like Freezestonia and Moon Island
[22:42] <+Cp_kid> It seems like you're just bending the rule to your usage
[22:43] <@Bro_> no
[22:43] <@Bro_> you can always take my option and make them a federation
[22:43] <@Bro_> which is pretty much all autonomous states with the same central government
[22:43] <Swiss_Ninja> ok
[22:43] <Swiss_Ninja> now
[22:43] <@Bro_> they'd have their own rulers
[22:43] <Swiss_Ninja> it all comes down to this
[22:43] <@Bro_> but they'd abide by the same laws
[22:43] <Swiss_Ninja> who is the owner of these said country articles?
[22:43] <Swiss_Ninja> owner or owners?
[22:44] == HatPop has changed nick to HatPop|Away
[22:44] <+Cp_kid> Snowstormer, Dps04 and Chill57181
[22:44] <@Bro_> Swiss_Ninja, Chill57181, Dps04 and Snowstormer
[22:44] <@Bro_> none of which actively edit
[22:44] <+Cp_kid> not me, nor bro
[22:45] <Rogue_Tvarkov> Silence...
[22:45] <Swiss_Ninja> ok.
[22:45] <Swiss_Ninja> We need their opinions.
[22:45] <+Cp_kid> I'm just fighting them from being forcefully annexed by a certain administrator
[22:46] <Swiss_Ninja> Who administers these articles currently?
[22:46] <@Bro_> Swiss_Ninja http://shops.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/User_talk:Cp_kid#union_thing there
[22:46] <@Bro_> Swiss_Ninja, me technically
[22:46] <+Cp_kid> Swiss_Ninja: http://shops.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/User_talk:Cp_kid#lol
[22:46] <@Bro_> since they're never around
[22:47] <+Cp_kid> It's not like they quit, they still edit around the network
[22:47] <+Cp_kid> so you can't just hand their articles to bro
[22:47] <Swiss_Ninja> CK, do you have any control over these articles?
[22:48] <+Cp_kid> also, Moon Island is also edited by Penstubal (I believe they've shared OOC since Pen made wizzint)
[22:48] <+Cp_kid> no.
[22:48] <+Cp_kid> but neither does bro directly
[22:49] <Swiss_Ninja> Well then in that case
[22:49] <Swiss_Ninja> the creators/real owners MUST decide their fate.
[22:50] <Swiss_Ninja> The creators almost ALWAYS have the final say
[22:50] <Swiss_Ninja> unless the article they made is Canon
[22:50] <Swiss_Ninja> which in this case it isnt
[22:51] <@Bro_> Swiss_Ninja they want independence
[22:51] <Swiss_Ninja> All of them
[22:51] <Swiss_Ninja> Well, I suppose the AU could try to invade them
[22:51] <Swiss_Ninja> but they put up a huge resistance movement
[22:51] <Swiss_Ninja> taht borrow tactics from the Viet Cong
[22:52] <@Bro_> ok
[22:52] <+Cp_kid> Swiss, it's only like 3 nations, although I really would like to put the Frosian Islands in that mix even though Bro has OOC over them (especially since they had that huge armament program after the Frosian War which led them to such greatness in the Shops Civil War)
[22:52] <+Cp_kid> anyways,  once again: I don't see why it's such a problem to let a few places go out of your "AU takeover", considering the AU will gain control over a ton of other Bro-OOC places like Vai Island, Flystonia (if it isn't given away beforehand), Northern Shops, etc.
[22:53] <@Bro_> again
[22:53] <@Bro_> vendetta
[22:53] <@Bro_> revenge
[22:53] <@Bro_> empire
[22:54] <@Bro_> all three of those places are valuable
[22:54] <+Cp_kid> I don't see it
[22:54] <+Cp_kid> chinese penguins? Farmers? Piemonds? whoopie
[22:54] <@Bro_> Mines
[22:54] <@Bro_> Gold
[22:54] <@Bro_> Diamonds
[22:54] <@Bro_> Labor
[22:54] <@Bro_> Trade routess
[22:55] <@Bro_> timber
[22:55] <@Bro_> oil
[22:55] <@Bro_> penguins
[22:55] <@Bro_> land
[22:55] <@Bro_> uranium
[22:55] <@Bro_> coal
[22:55] <@Bro_> iron
[22:55] <+Cp_kid> and the Frosian Islands are important no doubt, but they have quite the solid military, even after this civil war I think they could defend themselves
[22:56] <@Bro_> yes
[22:56] <+Cp_kid> for a while at least
[22:56] <@Bro_> we're talking about Chill Island, Freezestonia and Moon Island
[22:58] <Swiss_Ninja> CK, let this be clear: I am not demanding for those places
[22:58] <+Cp_kid> well if the seal islands (#14 best military) and the frosian islands joined this union as I had hoped, then that would lend an even better reason as to why the AU would avoid them for the most part
[22:58] <Swiss_Ninja> this is all something Bro wants to happen
[22:58] <Swiss_Ninja> which, is what he thinks is best for them
[22:58] <Swiss_Ninja> i really don't care.
[22:58] <Swiss_Ninja> in the end Liguria obliterates them in 4000.
[22:59] <+Cp_kid> well yeah, a lot can happen in 2000 years
[22:59] <Swiss_Ninja> Whatever Bro owns you can't decide on.
[22:59] <Swiss_Ninja> But I DO expect a compromise of some sort.
[22:59] <Swiss_Ninja> or at least an agreement
[22:59] <+Cp_kid> yeah, that's why I said hope for frosian, but I doubt that'll happen :P Everything else is owned by other users
[22:59] <Swiss_Ninja> but I do think that Viet Cong idea is good
[23:00] <Swiss_Ninja> Well abandon the idea of Frosian if it is Bro's and if he doesn't want to do it
[23:00] <+Cp_kid> well lemme keep working on this union I have going on and we can change it up later on
[23:00] <@Bro_> ok
[23:00] <+Cp_kid> however deemed fit
[23:01] <Swiss_Ninja> oh so you want a successor of "Union" states?
[23:01] <+Cp_kid> no
[23:02] <+Cp_kid> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Shops_Union similar to the axle powers
[23:02] <+Cp_kid> just a group of newly independent nations trying to survive via each other's aid
[23:03] <+Cp_kid> that "2027 Scramble for Power" is supposed to be about the AU's takeover of all other Shops territories and whatever else
[23:03] <+Cp_kid> I stole the name from the Scramble of Africa, although you may change it if you'd like
[23:05] <@Bro_> whatever
[23:05] <@Bro_> we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
[23:05] <@Bro_> the union will stay for now
[23:05] <@Bro_> but I'll modify it soon
[23:07] == Bro_ [~chatzilla@S010678cd8e7ad628.tb.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0/20130730113002]]
[23:08] <Swiss_Ninja> there you have it