1:00 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: Question… what does the first div do?
1:01 PM merkelchen: Is the explination in the linked post unclear?
1:01 PM scassany_maricadie: Did he fucking stutter?
1:01 PM Kahanis_inkunen: no
1:01 PM merkelchen:
Currently deployed somewhere, currently doing the things listed here : The First Division - Our most experienced pilots with our best doctrines and on day one the highest funding of any combat SIG in the Alliance.   Deployments, dread bombs, small gang combat, gate camps, expensive ships, higher skill requirements, and try hard activities.  Often times the Alliance's combat SIGs already engage in these activities and we have worked with them extensively already to create mechanisms to deploy The First Division along side them to supplement their numbers and provide our pilots with access to fronts they may not be involved in otherwise.   We are not a vanity squad, we are not a culture club, we are one of the biggest Corporations in Eve online providing their pilots with an outlet for their Doctorate level education.
1:02 PM Kahanis_inkunen: ok, the unclear part is how is it different from reavers/sv?
1:02 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: i went to the forum post… except that it is for experienced pilots… i don't quite get the others..something like Space Violence?
1:02 PM merkelchen: We do things all combat sigs do I suppose, undock spaceships and shoot things
1:02 PM tangopapa7: To me it seems similar to Space Violence byt its KF orientated?
1:03 PM Kahanis_inkunen: also, are you tz-locked or not
1:03 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: but with "highest funding"
1:03 PM merkelchen: Everything is TZ locked to EU/US unless it specifically an AU org
1:04 PM scassany_maricadie: We have the best funds
1:04 PM Kahanis_inkunen: merkelchen: no, like sv is effectively eutz-only, reavers are ustz only. does kf1 suffer from that or not?
1:04 PM tangopapa7: Sounds like something I could get into doing - need to get my ass more active though been slacking because of work and stuff
1:05 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: question again..  how about the cumulative num of paps? Adashboard doesn;t seem to hav that…
1:05 PM merkelchen: No not really at the moment as we are deployed with a bunch of other groups that have double TZ Coverage
1:05 PM Kahanis_inkunen: ok, so why a new group then?
1:05 PM tangopapa7: Why not
1:06 PM merkelchen: Because both SV and Reavers answer to the Alliance and are run by alliance directors and provided alliance funding and do what the alliance tells them to do and we can do whatever we like with more money than God
1:06 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: cos we hav too much isk
1:07 PM amir_tzash: God, Allah, Bob... whomever your deity of choice is.
1:07 PM Kahanis_inkunen: well, the "answer to alliance part" doesnt seem to matter that much for a line member
1:07 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: i think ultimately if its fun people would join
1:07 PM merkelchen: This time right now where we have essentially every combat squad/SIG in the alliance deployed to the same 2 regions is not the greatest representation of normal peacetime.
1:08 PM merkelchen: Everything is homogenized
1:08 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: "and a cloaky torp bomber" i jus read this… aww...
1:08 PM Kahanis_inkunen: ok, so why create a new group now, if this group will be a member of zungen_ops anyway?
1:08 PM crypticfox_picard: its pretty much a minor war footing
1:08 PM crypticfox_picard: it wont always be
1:08 PM merkelchen: Because not everyone is in SV or Reavers and we wont always be along side them
1:08 PM Kahanis_inkunen: why create a new group now
1:09 PM merkelchen: Its a 7 month old post
1:09 PM merkelchen: And because I want to
1:09 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: yeah since last year
1:09 PM merkelchen: Shit was boring as a motherfucker then and the krabbing was starting to rot the org and not everyone was deployed and fighting so we took it upon ourselves to find something to do
1:09 PM Kahanis_inkunen: tbh, reading that post only, it looks very much like a vanity squad.
1:09 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: does 1DIV  hav their own sub forums?
1:10 PM merkelchen: A vanity squad is a group that 1 personality runs as a culture club
1:10 PM amir_tzash: Part of the "new" sig was that it gave some of the more seasoned KarmaFleet members something more to do outside of the Alliance wide things.  Kept it sort of in house.  While KarmaFleet is a more "new pilot" corp, we've grown up a bit.  The veterans needed something more.
1:10 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: can i apply although i can't fly torp bomber?
1:11 PM Kahanis_inkunen: so, sv fits the definition perfectly? Run by kendarr, who is the most popular fc there btw.
1:11 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: i think 25paps thingy should not be a problem for me although i've no idea where to get that data
1:11 PM merkelchen: Asher came to me like 8 months ago and said "I need more numbers up North we are getting blobbed.   Can you deploy some people but not your entire Corp that would get too much attention"   We had been talking about starting a tryhard group with our own funding and doctrines for a long time so the time was right.
1:11 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: i'm in sv but i've only went on one fleet
1:11 PM Kahanis_inkunen: oh, that.
1:11 PM Kahanis_inkunen: why not fold into reavers then?
1:11 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: it wasn't that fun..
1:12 PM crypticfox_picard: because reavers is a seperate group with its own distinct culture, docterines, time zone, and stuff
1:12 PM merkelchen: Is contrarian your natural state?
1:12 PM merkelchen: Because this could take a long time
1:12 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: Kahanis_inkunen: y not just accept that th decisio wasn't entirely rational?
1:12 PM merkelchen: We are not SV, we are not reavers, we are exactly what we want to be.
1:12 PM Kahanis_inkunen: no, i just dont understand the major difference.
1:13 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: major dif is the leader is diff and this is a karma only SIG i think
1:13 PM amir_tzash: At the risk of sounding mean... which I do not want to be... then don't apply.
1:13 PM Kahanis_inkunen: and look at autz squads
1:13 PM merkelchen: There is a massive and major difference at a time when we are not deployed alongside those two groups.   Using this moment in time as a way to suss out the difference between 3 of the 8 orgs that are all staging and set in the same 2 regions is going to be pretty complex.
1:13 PM amir_tzash: If another SIG or Squad suites you mroe, then do that.
1:13 PM merkelchen: Why isnt SV just in reavers?   Why isnt bomberwaffe just in black ops?  Why isnt black ops just in SV?
1:14 PM merkelchen: Because they are all different and working in concert right now
1:14 PM Kahanis_inkunen: sv isnt in reavers because of tz
1:14 PM crypticfox_picard: there is more then that
1:14 PM merkelchen: So is it not legal for SV to work in US TZ and reavers to work in EU TZ
1:14 PM tangopapa7: All the SIGs do their own sort of thing - they have their nieche
1:14 PM Kahanis_inkunen: it is legal, but they just dont do it
1:14 PM merkelchen: Why not
1:14 PM crypticfox_picard: even if there was no time zone difference reavers and sv would still be quite different
1:14 PM Kahanis_inkunen: cause they dont have fcs/members
1:14 PM merkelchen: So why dont they combine themselves
1:14 PM merkelchen: And then ahve them
1:14 PM merkelchen: Why have different names
1:15 PM Kahanis_inkunen: no reason then
1:15 PM crypticfox_picard: why not just do everything though mainfleet then, why even have squads?
1:15 PM merkelchen: Precisely
1:15 PM ordico_tritium@goonfleet.com: merkelchen: can u vouch for me? XD
1:15 PM crypticfox_picard: why divide anything if its more efficient to do it in one group
1:15 PM tangopapa7: Would be boring without the sigs and squads to do stuff
1:15 PM merkelchen: Because they are all different and all do their own things and right now thats really hard to tell because of the nature of this deployment
1:15 PM tangopapa7: Plus not everyone likes mainfleet or can get on them
1:16 PM tangopapa7: So the squads appeal to those people
1:16 PM merkelchen: But as an Alliance sized corp we have more than enough bandwidth and ISK to be able to provide an outlet for our PVP pilots who like more micro gang stuff to have fun that doesnt detract from any of the other dozen or so alliance initiatives in any way.
1:16 PM crypticfox_picard: other thing that I think you are understating is the difference in culture and non-directly gameplay related things
1:16 PM crypticfox_picard: different sigs and squads have different attitudes, different culture
1:17 PM merkelchen: And now like a dozen of the people who deployed with us as KF1 pilots are now brand new reavers pilots
1:17 PM crypticfox_picard: even if they seem on the outside to be real similar, they may be quite different for the actual members
1:17 PM merkelchen: So its a nice foot in the door for some of the other orgs we fly with
1:17 PM crypticfox_picard: sv and reavers is a perfect example
1:17 PM crypticfox_picard: they seem like they are just eu and ustz versions of pretty much the same thing
1:17 PM crypticfox_picard: but they are very, very different culturally
1:18 PM tangopapa7: Indeed they are
1:18 PM tangopapa7: I've only ever been in SV but I know how different reavers are
1:18 PM crypticfox_picard: even if magically time zones stopped being a thing sv and reavers wouldn't want to merge into each other
1:19 PM merkelchen: crypticfox_picard: the point of me asking that line of questioning was lost on you friendo
1:19 PM merkelchen: I know those orgs intimately well and understand why they are not the same
1:19 PM crypticfox_picard: I was talking to kahanis not you
1:21 PM crypticfox_picard: I have no doubt that you know why different sigs and squads exit merk
1:21 PM crypticfox_picard: exist*
1:22 PM nolak_ataru: hm