Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:03 PM
Hurry home friend, this trash tier guild needs 1 other person besides like...myself mayb hypo who actually want to get cutting edge. I'm one stupid comment from gquitting.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:04 PM
sorry man but your approach to improving something is wrong
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:04 PM
elaborate
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:04 PM
you cannot “officer me or i quit”
everyone thats done this leading thing will tell you
your efforts will get you there alone
you dont need to force that
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:05 PM
ofc I can, if my preferred option at this point bc nobody is doing shit is to quit - then I can certainly present this alternative.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:05 PM
thats not how it works
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:05 PM
If they dont like it that's fine, but nobody is doing anything whatsoever to actualyl progress, its brute force as fk
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:06 PM
youll lose no matter what on your end
youll never be an officer of a good guild with your approach
lead by example and your example
leaves a sour taste
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:08 PM
I've been an officer in literally all but one of the guilds ive been in, but thx?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:08 PM
and now you are not
you want to force your way up and hold something as leverage then good luck to you with.a guild that tolerates that and survives
if you want change all you do is suggest things
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:13 PM
You misunderstand, there is ho holding leverage, with the way this shit show is proceeding leaving is a desirable course of action. I am,however, not the kind of person who likes to guild hop and would prefer to fix this slop raid rather than finding a new one. However I am new and don't have the kind of influence I think I need to properly impliment what this guild needs to actually kill things - so I proposed a solution, take it or leave it. A few people on horde asked me to stay so I capitulated and decided to start working on fixing this guild, but I can't do it alone for the aforementioned reasons. Now I can sit here and argue with you for some unknown reason about what you think I'm trying to do or you can acknowledge the problems and the efforts and work with me? You're taking all of this either too personally or reading this as if there is hostility in my words where there is none.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:16 PM
it doesnt matter what youre saying if you at any point “officer me or i gquit” i am done with you. i was gm of a guild remember and while did some questionable things, me taking 0 shits from anyone and dropping people who uses threats is not one of them. all you had to do is literally suggest actual issues to fix. some of your issues arent actually issues tbh.
if you had good intentions
im sorry
you approached this incorrectly
some of your issues i can fix just by being there. some are already being worked on
some are legit not necessary
none of which required you to hold your position in the guild as leverage
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:20 PM
I've been watching in the last month and a half as the walls and firmament burn slowly around me. I've been trying to propose changes and improve the group over that course of time as you have been suggesting but literally 0 zero squat nothing has changed, so all I did was stop whispering and grabbed the bull horn.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:23 PM
like i hear about issues myself but who are you talking to for changes?? none of the things you made a post about made it to me. im doing what i can here in vietnam. its 6am and here i am. ive been recruiting sitting over here. ive gone over some logs for people already.
like in terms of boss kills
its literally just recruit better players
theres nothing to those fights
i shouldnt have to wake up to pages of dicussion over kingaroth
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:24 PM
Exactly?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:25 PM
but thats it
and ive been looking for better players
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:25 PM
So have I, I've been posting in all the discords since you left /shrug
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:26 PM
i dont always have time to see it or hear it if its said on discord
if it gets lost in other messages
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:26 PM
ok lets back up a second
lets put all the shit u have taken issue with aside for a minute
we're on the same page, with the same agenda and goals
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:27 PM
lets stop there
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:27 PM
Are you and the "officers" willing to work with me as a peer toward those goals or am I just a frustrated voice whose opinions will be buried under those the aforementioned deem more valuable?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:27 PM
my goal is top 100
i simply dont think most of what you want is needed to get top 100
everything youve proposed if that was all implemented thats a top 30 guild
yes it would be better
thats not wrong
but is it needed or should even be considered with awareness of these other issues? no
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:30 PM
And my question
remains
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:34 PM
your opinions will be picked apart and whatever seems plausible and relevant will be addressed but
you need to understand that if theres a some money in a pile of shit how much would there have to be for me to bother trying
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:36 PM
I don't know what you mean with that
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:36 PM
you clouded fair points with useless ones
not useless
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:36 PM
Subjective
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:36 PM
just not relevant at the moment
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:37 PM
Sure, there's an heirarchy of which solutions to each individual problem should be addressed given resources and time, if that's what you mean - but identifying all at once and then at that point working forward with that heirarchy is certainly more efficient.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:38 PM
some are not needed at all truthfully as well
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:38 PM
Such as
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:38 PM
a website
no one cares about it and if they do why????
yes you can have a forums
but like
that means you have to somehow
get an entire guild to check that
just for a forums
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:41 PM
because the single biggest issue this guild has is preparedness, there is basically nothing at all in that raid discussion discord channel before today, as evidence. Where are the kill vids, where are the blueprints, the discussion of how our guild wants to approach the fight differently than the kills linked previously bc our raid comp, right now we literally go in, Noor says ok here are ehte things that are different from heroic - which already implies people don't know, even having to review them means youre operating under the assumption of poor preparedness from your raid, and then says "let's give this a twirl" and I swear to god I die a little inside every time he says it
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:43 PM
all you had to do was whisper one of the officers asking for a meeting
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:43 PM
dude
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:43 PM
and to bring those up
and if you dont get that
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:43 PM
ive been trying to get this stuff through for like 2 months
all of this
nobody listens
thats exactly why were here today
bc I feel like no1 gives a shit
no1 listens
its frustating as fuck
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:44 PM
so you are telling me
you messaged for a meeting with the officers
got one and
nothing happened?
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:46 PM
I'm saying I've messaged and / or spoken over discord on several occasions with bill, zach, revenge about most of the things we're talking about, yes. As far as a "meeting" please that's laughable. There arent even meetings after raid or anything resembling them to discuss the raids, 95% of the guild logs the other 5% plays PubG
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:47 PM
then thats on you.
if you didnt ask for one
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:47 PM
wat
ur memeing me
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:47 PM
ill tell you the best people
were the ones that messaged me to chat in officer channel
to address things
thats all it takes
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:48 PM
the people youre talking about dont even meet themselves and you think that it would have been a smart idea to  me in turn to ask for a meeting with all of said people
please.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:48 PM
give them a reason to.
that is your role as a raider
to give reasons for officers to meet
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:49 PM
I think your logic is severly flawed given the realities of this guild, but regardless I'm sure they've met now so..
at least there's that.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:51 PM
theres been no meeting
its discord
messages are saved
you dont need to have everyone in the same room at the same time to talk about issues
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:53 PM
exactly. my. point.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:57 PM
so what is your point
by telling officers hey id like for you all to be here at the same time
you are letting the officers know its important
its not hard to do and that was your mistake if you did not do that
Travex - Last Tuesday at 5:59 PM
You said I needed a meeting to proprely communicate. I said I messaged several people across a decent amount of time about all the things discussed. Then I said that's an unrealistic expectation given the 0% of meetings those people currently engage in. Then you said jk there's no need for a meeting to get your points accross.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 5:59 PM
its not unrealisistic
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:00 PM
legit you approached this as “if i want change ill do it myself”
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:01 PM
No, that's how you're seeing it bc you are not the aggregate of the all the aforementioned people I contacted regarding my issues.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:01 PM
so make that meeting happen to address core issues and state that you are unhappy
then idk what to tell you
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:01 PM
ok we're going in circles - if you want me to ping all of you and ask for a meeting moving forward - if thats what you think is best that's what ill do, but at this current juncture its almost moot
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:01 PM
if you contacted all these people for change
and nothing change
d
leave
but youll get nothing by brute forcing to officer
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:02 PM
but this guild is all about brute force
lels
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:03 PM
if thats how you feel about it fine
i just think you approached it wrong given what i know
at no point did you message me stating some issues youd like to see fixed that i didnt address
if you think 6 players need to be replaced
thats fine
ive been recruiting
if you think we need a website ive told you i dont personally think thats needed
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:05 PM
you havent been here dawg, I did as much recruitment posting as I thought was reasonable and spoke to the people who were here
about the rest
I'm not blaming u, I understand ur situation but don't expect me to rely on someone who hasnt been here for like 4 weeks in another country, thats equally silly
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:06 PM
at no point
did you talk to me about that
see
YOU fucked up
i bump my thread multiple times a day here
ive added at least 20 players here
if i need help i contact people for it
or they contact me
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:08 PM
remind me how I fucked up?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:09 PM
your approach.
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:10 PM
My approach of messaging several officers about all my concerns multiple times instead of pinging everyone for a meeting which you yourself claim is not necessary?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:10 PM
see heres the thing
hypo messaged me too about concerns
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:11 PM
Doesn't matter, we're going in circles and clearly you're getting heated for no reason. We're on the same team, I'm clearly willing to push for change that we need, if you are too and you're willing to work with me we can put all of this aside and make it happen.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:11 PM
and i talked about each one
and what to do to fix it
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:11 PM
All you're saying is that you're more responsive than the people I messaged
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:12 PM
see i dont know what they got but i do not believe they ignore legit concerns
you as a raider
do no have officer chat so whatever you say
not*
is lost to everyone else
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:12 PM
I wouldn't believe it either if I didnt live it, which again - is why I grabbed the metaphorical bullhorn and why were having this convo at all
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:13 PM
we as officers have o chat so that stuff gets seen by all of us
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:13 PM
Just another reason I asked for officer
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:13 PM
you dont so you need to schedule a meeting
no
you ask for a meeting so every officer sees or hears everything
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:14 PM
We're doing heroic atm, and this conversation is becoming painfully cyclical - can you put aside your hangups from the last two days aside and work with me to help patch the numerous holes the group has or am I going to keep being ignored as I feel like I have been the last month and a half yes or no
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:15 PM
youve lost footing
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:16 PM
and yet more has happened since sunday than it has since I got here
Say what you will but a fire was lit under their asses
on sunday
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:16 PM
no not at all
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:16 PM
nigga you werent even ehre
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:16 PM
this is all not needed
10 discord pages of kingaroth
i dont need to dissect it that much
do more add dmg stop getting hit by a ball
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:23 PM
Saying that hasnt seemed to work
If it were that easy we should just yell "KILL THE BOSS" every attempt
OH LORD and we still have people who dont use push to talk. Should I have called an officer meeting for that too?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:36 PM
if its an issue
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:37 PM
You enjoy raiding in a call center/dog pound?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:37 PM
then tell them turn on ptt
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:39 PM
cmon man
ive been saying it literally every single raid
every. single. raid.
this is what im talkni about
no1 listens
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:41 PM
cuz they have reasons to switch it every time then
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:41 PM
Why are you so vehemently defending the indefensible?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:42 PM
what are you talking about
if it gets swapped from ptt to voice activated
they changed it for a reason
i know i had to sometimes
my ptt doesnt work with some other games
so i gotta turn on voice activity
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:44 PM
Ok, but you arent one of the people who have 4 dogs who bark in their background or whose phone I have to hear 14 times per pull are you
No1 would be able to tell the difference when youre using ptt or not bc you dont present the same issues.If you did I'd have the same complaints.
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:46 PM
tell that to the guy to not swap it
and keep it pttt
if that doesnt change
tell me
thats all u gotta do and say its been a recurring problem
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:47 PM
ok so
saying something about it
a total of probably 25 times realistically
is not good enoguh
is what ur saying
please stop trolling me
It's like at this point you just don't want to cede anything, stubbornly
and idk why
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 6:55 PM
IF THAT DOEDNT CHANGE
TELL ME
THATS ALL U HAVE TO DO
at no point was i told anything tht i did not address
Travex - Last Tuesday at 6:59 PM
You've been in vietnam for like a month, why in the world would I bother you with it when there are like 4 officers here
Saying it's my fault for not messaging you specifically isn't an arguement
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 7:00 PM
none of them did anything??
Travex - Last Tuesday at 7:00 PM
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING THE ENTIRE TIME
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 7:00 PM
i do not believe that they did nothing about
issues
Travex - Last Tuesday at 7:00 PM
NOBODY LISTENS OR DOES ANYTHIGN
and now you know why we are where we are with all this
finally, hopefully
A perfect example: They believed we'd kill kingaroth wednesday. We still havent killed it. _BUT__ if that's how they felt where are the resources for Varimathras?
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 7:08 PM
is it not simply expected to just watch a fatboss video
on your own
or whatever your preferred boss guide
there can be variance in strat sure
but that depends on your comp
and you dont always know what you have going in
Travex - Last Tuesday at 7:10 PM
The fact that you aren't specifying one guide already means there is flexibility in the strat you could be using, which is part of what should be presented to your raiders - things they can watch or read to best understand the mechanics and how the raid will interact with them in addition to how this raid will specifically modify whatever is generally accepted bc of our raid comp or habits. And don't ever assume, assuming is a stupid thing to do, you know damn well there is a high % of the raid that doesn't do literally any research and just slams their face against the fight until they learn it well enough to pass by with a killl
Bubbles - Last Tuesday at 7:11 PM
its not assume its expected
if they dont watch the video
thats a different issue than having it posted
literally watch fatboss
thats it
if theres a different preferred video
thatll be linked
otherwise theres only like one strat a fight
and you tweak upon pulls with your raid comp
i just dont understand whats failing or why these issues exist
as a raider you watch that one video and thats all you have to do
these bosses arent hard at all
and all these proposed change are so out of proportion given that its literally play the gsme better honestly
press your dos buttons to kill add faster
look at the ball and dont get hit
not to say that we dont need it
but for these bosses? literally just play better
Travex - Last Tuesday at 7:33 PM
I agree wholeharded with  everything you just said.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
last couple bosses we've had a chronic issue of people clearly being un-informed or under-informed about the boss strat and furthermore how we will approach it. If we change nothing that issue will persist on every boss from here to Argus, hence why I would suggest we do what every Top 100 guild does and have a forum to post vids/blueprints/guides and allow discussion there for people to interact with before we pull each boss. Make no change and expect us to not have that issue a 3rd time and you're by definition insane.
But this is just one of the complaints, right, the principle is applicable throughout
January 11, 2018
Travex - Yesterday at 8:11 PM
when do u get home? lobsta and I could use a dps for carries
Bubbles - Yesterday at 8:13 PM
i aint got time for that when im@home
got so much other shit to do
Travex - Yesterday at 8:13 PM
Its dungeon week, you'll need at least 4 mythic +'s for the box, kill 2 birds with one stone XD
Bubbles - Yesterday at 8:13 PM
eh
well see what i want to do