The Battle of the Marban Hollow Component Field Base and Miscommunication Report (v2)

Beginning of report.

STRUCTURE:
*Foreword
*Recap of Nighttime/Early Morning Events
*Where Did The Concrete Come From
*Recap of Morning-Afternoon Events
*Responses to OP, OP’s Screenshots, and Comments
*Final Thoughts

RECAP OF NIGHTTIME/EARLY MORNING EVENTS:
I arrived at the comp field base sometime around 3am EST in order to QRF a warden assault on the (entirely dry) concrete base that the OP has been so dutifully working on.

After some truly great collie teamwork and a few lucky FAT shots there is a lull in the warden assault.

The bob tech’s Howi Garrisons and there is much rejoicing all around, but there’s a problem: there are only 3 places that howis could go without them being questionable.

Additionally, there’s the consideration of wet concrete. Wet concrete is very fragile and this fact was lost on no one in all of this. The OP is very knowledgeable on this and the wardens who assaulted today certainly were.

Before I discuss any modifications anyone made (including myself) involving howis, or concrete I must explain the present state of the base and the front at this time.

Collie / Warden orientation.
The collies have defenses around the comp field generally facing south towards the warden offensive line facing north. An east-west road runs through the middle of the base connecting to the warden front to the south.

BOB:
The bob is a robust 6 piece 3x2 rectangular dry concrete bunker with ramp facing south in the middle. There is no way to add howi garrisons. The bob was reserved by the OP in order to prevent harmful modifications (such as adding engine rooms) and other potentially frustrating changes (as stated by signs placed by the OP).

INNERMOST DEFENSES AND BUNKERS:
Directly north of the bob is a 3x2 rectangular dry concrete bunker with no garrisons. This bunker will be referred to as BUNKER A.

These are all directly aligned with the road on the north side:
Directly adjacent to the bob to the east is a 3x1 dry concrete bunker containing (from west to east) an observation tower, an engine room, and a rifle garrison. This bunker will be referred to as BUNKER B.

Farther east was a trench bridge for logi to get to the comp field. OP did a good job making sure the component field was accessible while still allowing garrisons to be built to the east of it.

Next we have a dry concrete 3x1 containing from west to east, 2 empty concrete pieces and a rifle garrison on the last piece. Again, the west most piece has no garrison. This bunker will be referred to as BUNKER C.

Moving away from the road we have the final bunker piece connecting to the mountain directly east of the component field. This bunker is a dry concrete 3x1 containing from southwest to northeast, 2 empty concrete pieces and a rifle garrison on the last piece. Again, the southwest piece has no garrison. This bunker will be referred to as BUNKER D.

Directly to the west of the bob along the road is dry 3x1 aligned vertically. From south to north the bunker contained a rifle garrison and two empty concrete pieces. Again, the northernmost piece contained no garrison. This bunker will be referred to as BUNKER E.

This concludes the current state of the innermost defenses, and describes the original state of most of the bunkers that I modified apart from the bunker I destroyed which will certainly be discussed later on.

SURROUNDING DEFENSES:
Aligned with and in front of BUNKER D is a T2 3x1 with both an AT garrison and a rifle garrison. I mention this only for background purposes.

In front of this bunker is an EAT emplaced in a T2 octagon with barbed wire positioned to keep the enemy out. I mention this only for background purposes.

On the other side of the road, south of the bob, is a line of T2 bunkers. I believe 3 of these were 3x1s. These had one AT and one rifle garrison. Intermingled with these was a 2x1 MG garrison. To the southwest there is an emplaced machinegun inside a T2 octagon with protective barbed wire.

Defenses to the northwest consisted of T2 Meta-W’s each with two dry howi platforms behind them facing north. These defenses were eventually modified by placing howis on the designated platforms that faced northeast and northwest. More on this later, but for the most these aren’t relevant at all and are just here for background. Whoever built the metas did a good job, but unfortunately the attack came from the south and not the north.

PRE-EXISTING DEFENSE SUMMARY:
This base is a component field base. All or nearly all bunkers contain bunker tech upgrades underneath to support teching and improve defenses. This is good.

The innermost defenses, while dry concrete, lack any sort of AT capability. Because howitzers were only just unlocked there were no howitzers. BUNKERS C, D, and E have only anti infantry capability, but have an open slot for another garrison if wet concrete is used. The garrison-less BUNKER A behind the bob currently provides no defensive capability other than the minor tech upgrades underneath it.

Finally I will discuss the intel systems of the base. There are two observation bunkers, one 2 meters from the bunker ramp, and the other some distance to the north of the bob. Both of these are dry concrete. The southern one, adjacent to the bob, is unable to function even when powered when the border bases are active between Maraban Hollow and Deadlands. This failure for watchtowers and the like to provide intel near active borders is a phenomenon that many players (myself included for some time) are unaware of. During the fighting yesterday I had to clarify this in chat when someone called for more engine rooms to power the obs tower, even with more engine rooms this obs tower could not illuminate the area as long as the border was red.

The current time is roughly 4am EST. Neither the OP or anyone with his clan tag is online. There is no discord link on a sign to follow. I haven’t yet gotten my SIGIL access back after I let it drop when they altered the verification system. I had no way to contact the OP or his clan.

MODIFICATIONS AND REASONING:
A fellow collie (different from the captain mentioned by the OP) in a separate clan from my own was rejoicing about the howi tech being unlocked by the bob. We got to talking about modifying some nearby bunkers to put some howi garrisons on to make use of the new tech and increase defense. We took note of the current time, a low population time, and the lack of current push on the base. Our understanding was that wet concrete takes 24 hours to fully dry, but after 12 hours it is as strong as T2. I don’t claim to be an authority on bunker bases who remembers all of the bunker tables and knows exactly how strong each bunker is or what they cost to repair, etc.

We determined that BUNKER A, providing no active defense whatsoever, was a perfect candidate for howitzer addition. Should that bunker be destroyed for whatever reason, the base would not be any less protected. This is to say the base defense as a whole could ONLY GAIN from us adding 2 south facing howitzer garrisons to it.

Next we looked at BUNKER E. This bunker actually provided protection for the bob in the form of a rifle garrison. If this bunker was destroyed it would hurt the defenses. We decided that the primary way this piece would likely be killed was through artillery, as it was adjacent to the bob. We considered adding a south facing howitzer to the north empty slot on it. Because of its proximity to the other 2 howi garrisons we added, we decided that anyone artying this thing would likely anger both this new howi garrison and the other two on BUNKER A and together they would prove too frustrating to anyone trying to hit it.

This concludes the howitzer garrison additions I was personally involved with. I want to stress that these were not added “during the fight” and were in fact added ROUGHLY BETWEEN 4AM and 5AM EST.

During this same time I added a wet concrete engine room to BUNKER A to provide additional power that could be used in the surrounding bunkers and hopefully turn on the obs tower next to the bob. After completing the power connection I noticed that the now powered (green) obs tower still wasn’t providing intel and released that it was simply too close to the border to work when there are border bases.

Moving back to the OP’s decision to reserve the bob: this turned out to make it difficult to connect the engine room to the pipe network as it had to go through the reserved bob that didn’t have a pipe on the piece adjacent to the trench connector connecting the bob to BUNKER A.

I resolved this with piped temporary T1 trenches out of BUNKER E. Receiving the bob was a respectable decision as someone inserting an engine room on the bob bunker, even with good intentions, would have placed wet concrete on the bob and made the bob very fragile. I made sure to explain using  a sign, just as the OP said to do using signs with his sign, the reasons for which I made my temporary trenches and reserved them.

Note:
Additionally around 7am EST the OP logged in and deployed to the bob. It was then that I had my first ingame and voice conversation with the OP. He was firm but respectful. He said that he reserved the bob to “keep out potentially harmful changes”. I showed him the temporary trenches and asked him to unreserve a bob core segment if only for a little while so that I could remove my trenches and insert a pipe into the bob and connect the engine room I added. He did it almost immediately! I was happy that the ugly trenches were gone and that the base had a bit more power. I was also happy that I got to talk to the bob owner and that the owner visited his creation frequently enough for me to see him. Also, I made sure to clear the sign I made afterwards as the issue was resolved.

Back to the current time (roughly 5am EST).
Myself and the other collie, happy with the new howi garrisons, thought about what else we could do to shore up defenses. Candidates for improvement were BUNKERS C and D. With only anti-infantry capability and no AT capability we discussed the likelihood of those bunkers holding out against warden cutters, stolen ISGs, 30mm tanks, Foebreaker Halftracks, 40mm pushguns, 250mm pushguns, mortars, and 120mm artillery.

We determined that apart from the EAT, which needs to be actively manned to function and even in good hands can miss, and a couple T2 3x1’s, there were no preexisting AT defenses to the east of the bob.

We decided that everything up to 40mm pushguns wouldn’t be able to destroy the dry 3x1s before people had time to crew FATs or man ISGs or run out there with stickies and gas to stop them. However, we thought that 40mm and 250mm pushguns would make short work of a bunker that cannot shoot back with its own AT garrisons because it does not have them. This is to say that should the EAT and either of the front T2 3x1s with AT fall, these two dry concrete bunkers would be soon to follow, and the defensive line entirely compromised.

With this in mind we decided that we needed to add wet AT garrisons to both bunkers.

At the same time we also discussed the potential vulnerability to enemy mortars and 120mm artillery that would no doubt target the wet concrete. We did some tinkering and determined that we could add 2 square pieces onto each bunker to allow for a single howi garrison to be added onto these bunkers in the future should they survive. The resulting bunker shapes were “L” shaped with both legs of the “L” having the same length. Mortars, with their minimal dispersion, would be the biggest threat to new concrete behind the front line of defense.

In order to get howi’s there we would need to survive for 24 hours in order for the concrete to dry. We also were making a bet that the next warden assault to hit this place would come late enough in the day that the concrete would be dry enough to be repairable.

We decided to concrete the two howi platforms and then I moved onto looking at the rest of the base. I wavered on it but eventually decided that concreting the two middle sections wasn’t something we needed to do now, and would attract too much mortar fire. I think I did not voice this opinion strongly enough as the collie who was helping me went on to pour concrete on the T2 connecting squares on BUNKERS C and D. I came over and noticed this after the first one was already concreted and it was too late to undo it. He said “I’m just concreting everything” and I figured this was an oversight but that it might just pay off should the bunker survive for more than 12 hours. This other collie, already halfway through concreting BUNKER D’s new middle piece, went on to finish pouring this concrete piece.

Next we looked back at BUNKER E, now a 3x1 bunker with a RG up front and a wet howi in the back. We considered the AT capabilities of defenses directly west of the bob and north of the road. The closest AT garrison was too far to the west to be able to save the bob should the T2 bunkers on the south side of the road fall. We decided to rectify this by adding a two square piece extension to BUNKER E to allow for an AT garrison facing south to be attached. With the howi garrison already attached to BUNKER E, we determined it was less vulnerable to mortar fire than BUNKERS C and D and that it was okay to go ahead and concrete it. We also concreted the middle connecting square.

At this point in time it is snowing, and our life is miserable trying to light campfires and move vehicles and pushguns to better places and out of the building area. It is probably around 6 or 6:30am EST at this moment.

I took another look at the area immediately surrounding the bob and I looked squarely at BUNKER B. This bunker was a weakness (read on to learn more about that). Because of the obs tower it couldn’t have an AT garrison.

I grimaced, and took out my shovel. “There’s no way I can fit a 1x1 next to the bob that I can turn into an AT garrison, surely?”. “There’s no way I can get a trench connector to connect to the bob or across the road, right?”. Unfortunately I could. I say unfortunately because if I couldn’t then I wouldn’t be faced with the decision. With the lack of AT glaring, I decided to go through with it and made an underground connection under the road, dug out, and concreted the AT garrison. We can call this new bunker BUNKER F, for “I’m so Freaking sorry I crammed this down your throat anyone who was near that bob at all”.

This was a really tough decision because it meant there was virtually no space next to the bob for infantry to stand, FATs to reload, or artillery shell pull trucks to park. I ended up putting a sign down telling people to park in front of the obs tower instead of the AT garrison as blocking the obs tower wouldn’t do anything.

It was here I made what I believe to be a large blunder. I forgot to add in the pipe to the 1x1 before putting down the concrete. Being unable to modify concrete pieces that are wet is VERY very frustrating. I think you should be able to add minor things like pipes or sandbags to wet concrete pieces. Because this AT garrison couldn’t get power, it couldn’t get proper range at night. If I hadn’t missed this, perhaps, (very unlikely) the battle could have gone differently.

RIFLE GARRISON CONCRETING

What follows is an admission of guilt regarding something I don’t think anybody (OP included) has mentioned here yet. I think the reason nobody brought this up is because the building info (available when hovering over a building in upgrade mode) *only shows the one who placed the blueprint*. There is no record to show who concreted the RG. I, compelled to be as truthful and transparent as possible, want to say that even though I didn’t do it myself I am still responsible because I should have communicated with the collie to make sure we were concreting only what we felt was absolutely necessary.

At this point the collie nearby decides to concrete a nearby rifle garrison of a 3x1 with 1 AT and 1 RG. Even though that 3x1 was rebuilt after the semi-wet concrete was targeted by precision foebreaker and cutler shots (discussed later), it was still a very bad move. The main reason this was bad is because this wasn’t an innermost defense. This was part of the T2 line south of the bob touching the road.

REMEMBER, at this time, there was either nothing infront of this RG or only a couple of T2 3x1 with RG and AT in front. If there truly wasn’t anything in front of this then I may have inadvertently forced the OP’s hand into building the line of metas which will be discussed in a section following this one.

Roughly 15-30 minutes later I talk to the OP ingame (see note from before). He lets me fix the trenches. Then Soon after I go to sleep.

As far as my certainty to the timeline, it is possible that I met with the OP an hour earlier than I estimate (which obviously might reverse the order of the RG concreting and the temporary trench removal), but I know for a fact that he nor his clan wasn’t near the bob to chat with, nor did I see them on my F1 screen (again I am truly sorry if you were online that point and I just missed you).

WHERE DID THE CONCRETE COME FROM:
Initial concrete was driven in by logi truck (from what I now know was the clan base immediately to the north. This clan is not my clan, nor the clan of this helpful collie. I believe he was grabbing straight from their mixer) I didn’t know where he was getting it until we had already done both howi’s on BUNKER A. I grabbed ~20 concrete from inside the OP’s bob itself.

Next, if my memory is correct, the collie delivered a cement mixer by flatbed to the OP’s bob and placed it next to BUNKER A. We then farmed comps for the remainder of the concrete. I also helped a clanman operating in Marban fill up a resource container with comps for their base somewhere else in the region. Mind you, this was one of the only people mining the comp field. I didn’t help him because he was a clan man, I helped him because he was the first guy in hours to show up and sledgehammer the comp field. Additionally I needed a breather from the construction and needed to wait for the mixer to fill up anyway.

To the clan north of the comp field bob, I’m sorry for being part of taking your concrete. I admit I didn’t even see if anyone in your clan was online when I realized where the concrete was coming from. The bob below you wasn’t yours, and you need your concrete for protecting your interests. I plan to get in contact with your leadership, apologize, and farm you up some components to replenish what was taken.

RECAP OF MORNING/AFTERNOON EVENTS:
PRE-EXISTING DEFENSE SUMMARY:
I show up around 12:30pm EST and I’m smiles all around. The modified bunkers are still there and have dried a bit. The EAT is still there. The OP even made 3 new chickenfoot meta-bunkers in front of the flimsy T2 line.

It is now crucial to explain the exact state of these meta-bunkers before we go any further. Each of them is double RG, single AT. Each has two wet howi platforms in the back. Each wet howi does not have a pipe in them. The lack of a pipe in the wet platforms and the nature of the trench connectors meant that external power could not reach the bunkers. I then noticed that in 2 out of the 3 metas there was a single engine room in the center of the bunker.

I saw a Cpt, mentioned by the OP and referred to in my whispers to the OP later on, digging up a somewhat differently shaped chickenfoot bunker blueprint adjacent to the bunker I ended up destroying. I never checked who laid the blueprints for that bunker but I can assume it was either the Cpt or the OP. I am inclined to believe it was the Cpt because the OP’s meta’s were all the same shape, and they were all finished whereas this bunker was a different shape, digging was in progress by someone other than the OP, and because there were no howi spots on the back of it until I persuaded the Cpt to allow me to put a single square on the back of it to allow for one howitzer. I do not remember correctly if we ended up concreting it, I think we did.

I dug a couple engine rooms spots to fit in between the new metas, the T2 line, and the differently shaped meta to hopefully prop up the power situation, but I kept thinking about the engine rooms in those 2 meta bunkers.

THE DESTRUCTION OF THE META (THE REASON WE ARE TALKING ON REDDIT ABOUT THIS):
Myself and the Cpt thought it was a grief. I remembered the OP’s adamant will to preserve the bob by reserving it from unwanted modifications such as engine rooms and figured that his reserving the bob saved it from a situation such as this.

We firmly believed that a misguided, separate from the OP, builder accidentally or a warden alt intentionally griefed the OP’s hard work. The Cpt said we could either leave it how it was, or we could destroy it and rebuild it. I had no idea at the time that it was the OP’s intent for there to be an engine room in two out of the three front meta-bunkers. If they were T2 3x1’s with engine rooms I would have written it off as an unfortunate outcome and gone on with my day. It was specifically because I thought the OP’s hard work was being ruined that I made the decision to attach a T1 piece to the side of it and use an FMG to destroy it and then attempt to rebuild it.

Additionally I understood that because it was a chickenfoot bunker and not a meta-W bunker, there was a chance of getting all of the pieces back on. I however, failed to notice how close together the OP places his bunkers and therefore failed to predict that I would not be able to attach the RG described thoroughly by the OP, screenshots, and comments if I tried to rebuild it.

It is important to note that I did not see the OP or any of his clan online at this time (roughly 12:45pm EST). I cannot recall exactly how thoroughly I looked at the F1 screen however. If I missed you I’m terribly sorry as this whole thing could have been prevented if I just looked a little more closely.

Hereafter we will refer to the destroyed bunker and its replacement as BUNKER G and BUNKER G* to refer to the before and after destruction states respectively.

You can remember the G with a helpful mnemonic: “Good lord I wish I left this bunker alone and went on with my day”.

POST META DESTRUCTION:
Immediately after destroying the meta I set to work replacing the blueprints. I soon realized that the bunker next door was close enough to block me from rebuilding the square section that needed to contain a rifle garrison. This was irrevocable. We knew then that we had made an error. I knew I had failed to properly help carry out what I believed to be the OP’s vision.

The Cpt and I start fixing up the new meta and adding the AT and RG blueprints where permissible. If I recall correctly I slapped both concrete husks with concrete once and then start working on the differently shaped chickenfoot bunker directly west of the bunker.

CRUCIAL DETAIL
The time is somewhere around 1:30pm EST. It was here that I made a critical failure (natural “1”) in my judgment.

There were numerous reports in region chat of a warden clan organizing a large push to attack the collie base north of the comp field bob. It was here that I looked at the map and noticed multiple warden vehicles and heard they were “moving in pushguns”. I didn’t hear what type. With the tragic fall of Brodytown in Reaching Trail fresh on my mind (executed by 250mm pushguns, a unfortunately angled bunker piece, and all around very strong warden coordination), I made the rude decision to drive up north and crew a FAT to defuse the situation.

By not seeing the upgrade process of BUNKER G*, the bunker I personally destroyed BUNKER G to create, entirely through to completion I did the OP a great disservice. It doesn’t matter what I hoped to accomplish or ended up accomplishing at the northern clan base. I made a problem and I didn’t make sure the solution was finished with my own eyes in person before doing something else.

For that I take full responsibility and will never ever do it again. *No half measures. Always finish what you start.*

The time is roughly 1:45pm EST. I have gone up to the northern clan base and managed to get a driver for my FAT and maneuvered into a tactical position waiting for what I now know to be a 40mm pushgun to get too close and start taking pot shots at the base.

A fantastically lucky 120mm artillery shell (shot by the clan defending their base) lands squarely on the “seat” of the pushgun for a double decrew and we finish them off.

We look with binos and see there is a 30mm tank powling around and figure it will eventually make a mistake. We hold our ground and commence waiting.

We watch as the 120mm crew chases builders digging clusters of 6 bunker pieces over and over again. After one got too crusty they would leave it and dig a new one to conserve bmats. I have to admit, I think that was pretty smart of the wardens.

I kept peeking at my F1 screen hoping he would appear and launched into the following as soon as I noticed him online.


THE DIALOGUE BEGINS:
The OP posted 7 screenshots of our dialogue and his interaction with region chat.

The time is around Around this time, 1:55pm EST.
It was this point in time screenshots 1,2, anda 3 occurred. These refer to the first three screenshots posted by the OP on Imgur. This link, copied here for recordkeeping purposes, is https://imgur.com/a/pJ4s8cd

We can see that these screenshots were nearly simultaneous from the positioning of the scrollbar on the right side of the chat in the bottom right of each, that is to say that each the OP scrolled up for the first one, then scrolled down a bit and took another, and then scrolled down to the very bottom (most recent) and took the final one.

We observe that each screenshot shows context to the next screenshot, so there was nothing left out that could have been said between the two of us in between any of these screenshots.

I also want to state that due to the 3rd screenshot having its scroll bar all the way at the bottom of the feed I know that the OP did not leave off anything said immediately after the screenshot, that is to say these screenshots were not captured with cherry picking in mind.

In conclusion, certify that the words depicted in the screenshots between the two people redacted with green rectangles are indeed authentic and free of cherry picking for the reasons stated above.

For the purposes of discussion I copied the transcript here, exactly as it was in the screenshots (I left off the unrelated collie dialogue going on in other channels):

Beginning of transcript
Me: “are you able to get more bmats for that bob”
Me: “we had to kill one of your metas”
Me: “someone put on an engine roome”
OP: “YOU WHAT, i put the engine room in”
Me: “WHY”
Me: “the integrity!”
OP: “the integrity is fine”
Me: “I was able to fit in enginerooms”
OP: “its a MINOR payoff”
Me: “alright we’ll keep the other one”
Me: “I didn’t know thought it was grief”
Me: “anyway I built the met next to it”
Me: “and bp’d the one I destroyed”
OP: “and now the bunker doesn’t fit”
Me: “but I lost an RG”
Me: “myself and another captain really thought it was grief”
Me: “my b”
OP: “well you can replace the bmats now thanks”
Me: “ughh”
OP: “you made  hole in the base now i cant fit a RG where it was”
End of transcript

CRITIQUE AND DISCUSSION
Before I talk about what happened after this conversation, I want to expand upon and critique the way I poorly handled this and left my words open to interpretation. I speak on this with a day’s contemplation and understand that there is a large difference between how one handles something in the moment and how they discuss it later. This applies to both myself, and the OP. We are accountable for the way we interacted with each other in the moment, and my remarks after the fact are only to provide perspective, not to justify the way I came off in our interactions that followed.

I started off poorly by asking the OP, whose meta bunker I destroyed replaced with something scuffed, to go bring bmats to his own bob. This was incredibly rude, and it still is incredibly rude and I apologize for the way I spoke to you.

Had I been in the OP’s shoes I think my knee jerk reaction would have been somewhere between pure lava anger and extreme contempt, which I think, justifiably, is the way the OP viewed me from this point on, likely up to and including the time I post this.

When I mentioned “kill[ing] one of [his] metas” I said that “we” had to do it.

We is vague and imprecise. Couple this with my being a relatively high rank, and having the tag of a relatively large clan and you can understandably conclude, as the OP did, that the “we” was referring to myself and some members of my clan.

This is NOT THE CASE. I was referring to the Cpt from earlier in this report. I discussed the decision with him and him alone. I discussed the decision with no one in my clan, or anyone in another clan apart from this Cpt about this.

I then use “we” again when discussing “keep[ing] the other one”. The “other one” being the other meta bunker that had an engine room installed in it. I thought both were the result of grief, so I originally wanted to destroy that one and replace it. I said that with the goal of stating that I and the Cpt I talked too weren't going to touch his other bunker because I now understood it to be in the form he wished it to be in, and not the result of grief.

From his perspective, that probably came off as “We clanmen, who know better than you, have ordained by the sheer grace of Hiemdall himself that we won’t mess with your bunkers anymore”.

I then FINALLY explain that I thought the engine rooms were grief. I should have lead with this coupled with deep deep apologies before trying to explain everything else to the OP. By doing this so so late I had already deplatformed myself and caused everything after that to be looked at in a justifiably light.

I then poorly describe my attempts to make amends referring to the blueprints. Partially constructing a band-aid on an open wound and then leaving to go do something else is no valiant achievement, and my words made it out to be one.

Starting to reread my words and realizing that I’ve just committed text suicide, I reiterate my core reason for doing what I did to the OP. It is too late. The “my b” is snarky and rude, when I was actually trying to juggle, being genuinely apologetic and pointing my snout at the 30mm tank creeping around in the north. Following this with “ughh” maked it sound like I viewed dealing with the issue I created as something beneath me. I meant only to express me dieing inside as I realized I owed the OP, due immediately and with interest, the bmats and time value he lost building that bunker only for me to destroy it and have to deal with making sure the scuffed replacement I threw in his lap was as finished as it could be for the now arriving warden infantry and soon armor assault.

The OP finishes by stating the replacement is worse than the original, and in doing so justifies his call for me to get him bmats.

This transcript is pretty damning. Looking only at these first 3 screenshots is already enough to justifiably paint me and my clan as villains.

After this exchange several things occurred. Their exact order, while crucial to the discussion, I have no record of. If the OP has more screenshots of the following exchanges I implore them to post them. I want as much transparency on this as possible.

He told me something along the lines of “now I have proof” and I realized he was going to crucify me, and possibly my clan over this.

I told him in whisper I would get him bmats myself to make up for it. Again I don’t know if this was before or after he brought up “having proof”. Either way, saying this so late makes it look like I wasn’t going to do it anyway, which I certainly intended to do.

Shortly after the proto 30mm scout tank gets greedy, tries to kill a mounted MG and gets obliterated. The entire time I was waiting for this I wanted to go down there and help make things right. I figured I don’t want to waste yet another person (the FAT driver)’s time by stopping on the cusp of getting the kill, so I kept waiting for what was probably between 20 and 60 minutes.

During this time the south is seeing more and more wardens arriving and beginning to poke and assault the base. I know this from staring at the radio every 30 seconds, the commotion in region chat, and the OP messaging me that they are targeting the weakness I created RIGHT NOW.

As soon as the tank died I basically told the driver “We are going back. I absolutely positively have to go south right now to take care of a mess I made. Good job driving”.

THE BATTLE UPON MY ARRIVAL:
The time is around 2:45pm EST.
I show up to see total chaos. It is immediately obvious that my northern excursion was a humongous mistake. The wardens very quickly realized that the northern defences were stronger than the southern defenses and that their best chance of getting into Marban Hollow would be by smashing this southern component field base. Their eyes probably lit up when they saw the scuffed replacement bunker, but the degree to which they did I do not know.

I see BUNKER G* in a different state than I saw it last. It looks somewhat crusty and the concrete places I last saw blueprinted are now husks. At the time of this post I do not know if this is because BUNKER G* was destroyed since then and rebuilt without them or if someone, possibly the OP, intelligently killed my new concrete blueprints, realizing that wet howi pieces would be a large weakness in an already scuffed bunker. I am inclined to believe that the OP shot my concrete blueprints and reverted them back to their husk form. If this is what happened then that was a great move.

I see that the other bunker that contained an engine room built by the OP is flattened. Since nobody has stated it died due to a lack of bmats I can only assume it perished because of a combination of engine room, still semi-wet howis, and it being angled in such a way that the AT garrison in the middle did not have airtight coverage of the road.

With the front bunker destroyed it was only a matter of time before the bunker adjacent to the scuffed bunker, now unprotected from the side, was flattened. After that one fell the scuffed BUNKER G* fell.

Assuming my observations were accurate, this leads me to conclude that it was not my scuffed replacement that directly caused the front bunker line the OP built to be destroyed. It likely attracted a lot of warden attention. However, I believe it was a combination of clever warden anti structure attacks, a slightly over rotated slightly weaker meta being on the corner, and a lot of voice comm panic that lead to BUNKER G* being the last out of the 3 bunkers the OP originally made to fall.

There is much FAT gunning by some vets and they take out a warden FAT only for a replacement to be spotted only minutes later. Proto scorpion's are blazing their MGs into the darkness, willing their bullets to hit something, anything just to keep the wardens out as long as possible (see OP in screenshot 4 on the scorpion giving his best for the cause) . Warden Foebreaker Halftracks, having slammed down two bunkers already are hungry for that scuffed bunker. Periodic mortar and 120mm fire comes down only to be rebutted by howitzer fire from the 3 somewhat wet/dry howitzers put in last night with my assistance.

Side note:
You can actually see the clanman collie (yet another clan unrelated to any previously mentioned) whose clan squad chat I personally went into in order to explain that I messed up and beg them to deliver bmats to the bob in the OP’s screenshot 4. Look in the top left, they just finished  alogi delivery of bmats. That clan helped a ton, and I just want to recognize them for their help. But it wasn’t just them, countless others (the OP and his firends/clanmen explicitly included) provided countless resources to the bob in the form of vehicles, resources, and manpower. I cannot begin to recognize all of them.

The time is around 3:10pm EST.

THE BUNKER PIPE INCIDENT / MY WORDS TO THE OP:

It is at this moment that I would like to turn our attention to the 2x1 MG garrison referred to earlier in this report and actually visible in screenshot 1 posted by the OP. You can actually see how the MG garrison, being able to shoot farther than a rifle garrison, can actually somewhat makeup for the fact that the RG is missing on BUNKER G*. However, it needed lights in order to be able to provide this protection during the night.

I proclaim in local voice chat that “I think I’ve figured out a way for us to get the MG to cover the hole in the front bunker up there” and I begin throwing down pipes under the street and on the 2x1 MG garrison.

The time is around 3:30pm EST
Night has fallen, the MG’s lights are off for some reason, and Foebreak Halftracks  are slamming BUNKER G* from the side and infantry, free to roam because the MG garrison’s lights are off are supporting the vehicles closely and throwing tons of gas and grenades our way as we try to repair BUNKER G*.

I notice that the middle section of BUNKER B no longer has a pipe in it and it is reserved by the OP. Power cannot reach the MG because the OP has denied it. At the time I made no accusations that the OP was the one who removed the pipe. I simply asked him in DMs to unreserve it so I could pipe it. He ignored me. I then tried to reach his other friend/clanman online at the time. He responded by saying that the OP was going through a lot and that he might not be able to get through to him. Our conversation is visible in a snippet I took around 3:55pm EST after I found a break in repairing to go over and collect a record of my own.

You can view this snippet here: https://imgur.com/a/oUMRS8v. Not realizing this would gather so much attention I neglected to capture the scroll bar in the snippet, but I assure you I did no cherrypicking of the chat log.

Depicted in this screenshot is BUNKER A on the left, bunker F on the right, the bob ramp, the pipe connecting under the road to the unpowered MG bunker now unable to guard the either barely alive BUNKER G* or the recently deceased BUNKER G*. Notice that the bunkers to the left of the image (east) are entirely cut off from power.

In the conversation depicted I attempt to persuade his friend/clanman to persuade the OP to unreseve his bunker to allow a pipe to be placed to allow the defences to the east and the MG garrison to receive power. I asked him if this was an intentional act and wondered if there was an explanation. I explained that if there was one I would totally understand. I wanted to communicate. I said that if this was intentional with no given reason, that it would be griefing. I justified my statement by referring him to the large quantity of map posts and map post comments the OP had been making in Marban Hollow for several hours preceding that moment. These public map posts and comments targetted my clan directly and suggested that the base was entirely lost long due to the bunker I destroyed and the bmats that needed to be used to fix the replacement.

MAP POSTS:

The OP in now way attempted to contact my clan leadership and discuss this with them prior to unloading on me and my clan in map posts and comments.

These comments were approximately “don’t worry <CLAN> will rebuild”. “It’s okay, <CLAN> made a huge hole. They will fix it.”. These are not the kind of thing one should say publicly when you cannot be certain that the clan you are accusing (as a whole) is responsible. Because you had not yet spoken with anyone else in our clan, let alone our leadership, these accusations that our clan intentionally and in a clan organized manner griefed your base.

After giving this person 5 minutes to try and convince the OP I finally resorted to region chat. I told the OP in region chat (screenshot 4) in no uncertain terms that his intentional refusal to unreserve the bunker was highly detrimental to the team and I publicly accused him to have, after *many* private attempts to resolve the problem, intentionally weakened his own bunker because he was upset. I did not want to do this and I tried desperately to avoid it by attempting to go through other channels. My hand was forced.

To respond directly to screenshot 4, I did not unpipe the observation bunker. That was not me. I simply stated in region chat when someone asked that even if we added more engine rooms and turned it on, it still wouldn’t provide intel. I NEVER suggested to anyone that we should unpipe the obs bunker.

I turned the whole region on you because you downright refused to communicate with me about the pipe, it looked in all aspects like it was an intentional grief, and because you had already publicly attacked my clan without anything close sufficient evidence linking them to my actions.

Regarding your scorpion gunning, if I recall correctly you actually survived for a really long time. That was good work, and it deserves to be recognized.

Moving on to screenshots 5 and 6 (taken at the same time) but with some of the chat in between missing. A person in region chat (orange) wasa trying to break us up, not attack you. He told me to drop it. I believe the red person was actually a fellow clan man who only recently arrived. I don’t condone his adding fuel to a very potent fire. That was harmful. The person in orange then made the point to you that this base wasn’t very robust or easy to defend. He then added later “in its current state”.  Against that orange dude was trying to break us up. Amongst this (AMOGUS) I publicly explained that I truly believed someone griefed your hard work.

In screenshot 6 I wasn’t some *ringmaster* controlling the mob, I was genuinely trying to get people to stop harassing you after you finally went ahead and let me install the pipe!

Screenshot 7 shows me being a chad and the campfire blueprints I put down to slow wardens hitting BUNKERS C and D.

LASTLY.
I am seriously running out of time and may clean this up later but I want to explain how the base fell.

They tried everything in order to get in. Eventually they just targeted your (you were able to reserve it so I know you built it) weak 3x1 obs bunker with no AT and flattened it within 2 seconds. This 3x1 is the same 3x1 that I personally mounted  2 ISGs and 1 ATR ontop to try and make up for the lack of AT.

After that they crushed my additions you called weak and harmful after the AI went down from the bob being destroyed.

OP, I am terribly terribly terribly sorry I caused all of this to happen, and there were many errors in judgment that I was guilty of.

I hope that the next time you encounter a problem with another clan you will try to communicate with them the day of, while it is happening, instead of waiting until the following morning to have your first conversation with someone in a leadership position.

The fact remains that you went to Reddit before you even so much as ATTEMPTED to contact anyone related to my clan in private, let alone someone in leadership position. You eventually joined SIGIL, THE MORNING AFTER MAKING THE REDDIT POST, and brought this up publicly in there again, effectively performing public defamation of our clan YET AGAIN. As soon as you arrived in SIGIL you could have asked to speak with our leadership in private about this but instead you decided you would rather hurt (what I consider to be) a reasonably good name among collie clans.

I hope that those who read all of this will learn something. There’s a ton in here, and I spent around 10 hours writing it.

- A clan man

Remarks originated 10:40pm EST 1/20/2021
Remarks edited 1:34am EST 1/21/2021