[03:55:34]ADMIN: HELP: Motaccir/(Motaccir): yo, what is this? - heard by 1 non-AFK admins.
[03:55:41]ADMIN: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev) jumped to Motaccir/(Motaccir)
[03:55:49]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): This is /vg/
[03:55:55]ADMIN: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev) jumped to Aft Starboard Maintenance
[03:56:05]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): I must assume you're just testing the pulls, right?
[03:56:36]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I dunnoooo to be honest. I haven't talked to pomf about it.
[03:57:26]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): Whatever. Tell him that I'm sad, I even had to get a life after he shut down the server. ;_;
[03:57:40]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Did you know
[03:57:47]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Pomf is bad clown?
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[03:58:25]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): No, I mean I only know his homosexuality, what happened then after?
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[04:00:26]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Well, we were getting an influx of people from outside of /vg/. So pomf took down the server.
[04:00:38]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Someone immediately put up a server
[04:00:43]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Blarghin
[04:01:02]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Server was taken down to detract from this influx of new/griffy players
[04:01:39]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): However, since the new server was immediately put up, even if pomf brought back his server, this would not change because it's the same code/playerbase
[04:01:52]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Blarghin's was unstable/down half the day
[04:02:00]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Bad clown was put up
[04:02:43]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Still influxes of players, still shitposters about how bad that server was, still shitposters about how bad pomf was, yadda yadda.
[04:02:55]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): BUT THE TWIST IS
[04:03:03]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): It was all the same all along
[04:04:05]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): But really, I don't know anything because I don't much bother pomf about it. :(
[04:04:15]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): oh god AHAHAHAHAHA Yeah i knew all the story but this badclown thing was new to me.
[04:04:24]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): So these are all as much observations as anyone from OOC
[04:04:29]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): so uh, there's something missing
[04:04:48]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): why is this server and nexis' one pretty much desert?
[04:05:48]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): that nigger chicken literally made me setup a 1 month long alarm :|
[04:07:14]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Well, understand that my desire to be an admin was mostly to being burnt out playing the game/trying to remove major shitters and to facilitate fun subtle bus. So I really never talk much to the other admins or pomf, since I'm not much one for policies and politics, so I really dunno. My theory is:
[04:07:36]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Maybe this server will have better protection in terms of ban evaders/ cockblocking new players.
[04:07:53]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): This server has some activex thing and I have no idea what it does.
[04:08:06]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): I can explain you that
[04:09:02]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): The activex thing is a script that checks if you're actually on a virtual machine (you know, the most common ban evade trick) and you can accept or refuse it, but everything is listed somewhere on a list
[04:09:19]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Yes
[04:09:31]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I was on earlier and noticed several players playing from VM
[04:09:44]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): If you have played on badclown
[04:10:14]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): no I never joined the "new" servers other than the old test server brought by nexis
[04:10:40]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): You may have noticed an influx of players who hadn't been around in awhile/were very knowledgable about /vg/ but whose names were unfamiliar.
[04:10:50]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Or since you never went, that's the case.
[04:11:02]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Because badclown hadn't the old ban list
[04:11:32]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): For example, GardenGnostic has played awhile, but we always knew he was shin in disguise.
[04:11:52]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Likewise, YouWereTheLightningInThatRain was Sarca/Gorons in disguise.
[04:12:03]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Wonkghob was A Bumbling Idiot
[04:12:18]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): All people who were evading.
[04:12:46]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): were they even banned ? damn I didn't knew.
[04:13:04]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Not necessarily banned
[04:14:01]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I think Shin was banned a long time ago, and we knew who he was, but if you ban him again, he assumes a new identity and then you potentially don't know who he is until you notice/dig it up
[04:14:48]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Bumbling was banned for something dumb but then immediately evaded. We don't really care that he did, it's just a principle thing.
[04:15:30]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Which is why the activex thing exists, and I'm assuming badclown would be a way to find some things out as well
[04:16:05]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): But like I said, when Pomf shut his server down, I let him be because I assumed he was burnt out and I haven't really questioned him about it
[04:16:29]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): you know, the last days before the shutdown were pretty horrible
[04:17:00]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I'll tell you
[04:17:15]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): you know I vastly play security and fuck if I enjoyed any of the last rounds I played here
[04:17:24]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Did you know I play Bob Dylan and Big Boss?
[04:17:38]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): no, I didn't
[04:17:56]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I am a shitter myself in many ways and a lot of people don't like my characters
[04:18:32]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): But I always tried to keep people in the round/tried not to valid hunt/so on
[04:18:49]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I like this server because you have freedom
[04:19:45]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): But then when I see a player that acts just like me, I feel for them but
[04:20:26]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): You can toe the line to create fun and such, but it's easy to go to far
[04:20:41]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): And it's hard to say what too far is without removing that freedom
[04:21:15]SAY: Ghost/Nuklearcellphoneg : Starting a station wide plasma fire on revolution is not okay even when you're a rev
[04:21:26]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Starting a station wide plasma fire on revolution is not okay even when you're a rev
[04:21:36]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): I get it. It's the same for me. You know, I'm Sasha Tor, hated by man, but at least when I die I always pray to use my ckey for some bus etcetera. I try to make it funny when I can. And everyone who ever played heads knows that the role is stressful enough, and there's no need for greys who run around slipping you
[04:21:44]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): I get what you say.
[04:21:49]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): However, if you went out of your way to suit up/safeguard all your fellow revs before doing so, it's fine
[04:22:31]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): As big boss, I broke into security many many times
[04:22:42]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I didn't ever break into the armory
[04:22:52]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): well, what you said falls under the rule "don't kill your mates in the team modes like cult and rev" but people don't get it
[04:22:54]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): I broke in in order to lay on the bed in the brig
[04:23:24]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): So that when a sec officer saw me, I would say, "Yo, can I get some donuts?" "Why am I brigged?" etc
[04:24:13]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): AHAHAHA
[04:24:28]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): So grey tide is fine with me. But, again, people take it too far.
[04:24:41]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): exactly
[04:24:55]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Breaking into the armory is iffy, but sarca one time broke in and made a weapon shop in maint
[04:24:56]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): I'll explain you briefly what happened 2 rounds before the server was taken down
[04:25:05]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Which is cool. Yes?
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[04:27:34]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): I'll be brief because I have to go. That shit is cool however. However, it was cult. I was the HoP. HoS decided (rightfully) that captain was a comdom because he (one of the new faggot players) didn't even touch the nuke disk but just went into dorms and declared fight club and shit. I obviously helped the HoS since I wanted to distrupt the chain of command to spread cult easier (which was a  good idea after all and we would have won the game if it wasn't for the new construct's teleport which bringed us back to the station)
[04:28:30]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): As soon as Captain was arrested, he started screaming. After a while, and many gunfights in which I had to help that poor HoS, he and the "loyalists" in sec were overtaken
[04:29:28]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): brig was bombed or burned by people who weren't antag, most of security killed by them. When the cult was reported nobody could stop us because you know, the greytide had raped EVERYONE
[04:30:08]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): It would have been fun to have a 1-time grey revolt, but you know the thing was taken too far away.
[04:30:26]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): (I have to go now, tell me your impressions since i'll stay connected)
[04:30:32]ADMIN: PM: Motaccir/(Motaccir)->Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev): (see ya)
[04:30:41]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): Peace
[04:33:41]ADMIN: PM: Nuklearcellphoneg/(Zane Alekseev)->Motaccir/(Motaccir): And that's the problem with the freedom. It's good, but you still must follow the chain of command to an extent; in this case, at the top was a comdom.. This is fine, you can do what you want, but, station duties come first. But we as admins can't exactly punish that in round without a backlash from the community, which I understand wholeheartedly. It would be nice to be able to whitelist head positions, but then again, most vets hate head positions or prefer assistant or clown or mime anyway. Even if we were to whitelist, again, it would be terribly difficult to 1) Decide on who/what makes a good head without degrading fun 2)  and with this list of notable aspects decided upon, how does one prove themselves worthy if they can't try out the head position. It's all terribly depressing and frustrating.