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  1. [15:00] <WildAnaconda69> alright boys and grills
  2. [15:00] <WildAnaconda69> whats happenng
  3. [15:00] <Jack879> speedrun.com
  4. [15:00] <WildAnaconda69> whos facilitating this discussion
  5. [15:01] <Jack879> go yell at dcr
  6. [15:01] <dcr> wow rude
  7. [15:01] <Jack879> hi
  8. [15:01] <Eazinn> wheres kruser
  9. [15:01] <Eazinn> i want to hear his input
  10. [15:03] <Jack879> So what's the primary reason(s) for migrating?
  11. [15:03] <matrick2298> more control
  12. [15:04] <matrick2298> atm we have very little control over deertier.com
  13. [15:04] <Eazinn> zoast, garrison and krauser arnt here, this doesnt bode well
  14. [15:04] <matrick2298> and landmaster isnt very active in responding to emails and such
  15. [15:05] <WildAnaconda69> ok... i guess lets weigh the pros and cons of deertier to speedrun.com?
  16. [15:05] <matrick2298> yea
  17. [15:05] <matrick2298> there arent too many cons
  18. 01[15:05] <@Belthasar> Did anyone email landmaster?
  19. [15:05] <matrick2298> i guess the biggest one would be the migration in general
  20. [15:06] <matrick2298> like getting people to actually post to speedrun instead of deertier
  21. [15:06] <WildAnaconda69> well according to Nymx he emailed him to add croc rta and it was added in a matter of hours
  22. [15:06] <matrick2298> but before with icebooster and xice, it took months
  23. [15:06] <matrick2298> so i guess it fluctuates?
  24. [15:06] <Eazinn> thats a big issue, having people switch leaderboards, i faced that in my game and we are in the process of removing from src
  25. [15:06] <WildAnaconda69> ok so inconsistent
  26. 01[15:06] <@Belthasar> The idea is to have deertier.com redirect to speedrun.com right?
  27. [15:06] <schmeman> yes
  28. 01[15:07] <@Belthasar> So it wouldn't be hard to get people to post there.
  29. [15:07] <schmeman> i thought it was to serve as a mirror
  30. [15:07] <matrick2298> well i thought that we could make speedrun.com pull from deertier
  31. 01[15:07] <@Belthasar> We just need landmaster to set that up.
  32. [15:07] <matrick2298> is that possible
  33. [15:07] <Eazinn> i think having src link to deertier would be best
  34. 01[15:07] <@Belthasar> If speedrun.com pulls from deertier then we still have no control
  35. [15:07] <schmeman> hmm
  36. [15:07] <matrick2298> oh i guess youre right
  37. [15:07] <matrick2298> well no
  38. [15:08] <matrick2298> yea i guess a redirect would be bette
  39. [15:08] <schmeman> honestly, i don't see why deertier needs to still be a thing other than nostalgia
  40. [15:08] <Jack879> It sounds like the biggest concern is inconsistent reply time from landmaster. Can that not be fixed by having it change hands?
  41. 01[15:08] <@Belthasar> It would sort of still be a thing. Is the url speedrun.com/deertier right now?
  42. 01[15:08] <@Belthasar> Would be cool to keep that
  43. [15:08] <schmeman> there are other benefits to using speedrun.com other than control
  44. 12[15:09] <dcr> yes thats the current url belth
  45. [15:09] <matrick2298> well also
  46. [15:09] <schmeman> such as supermetroid being a part of the leaderboards associated with almost every other game
  47. [15:09] <matrick2298> people can use wayback machine to look at old deertier times and stuff
  48. [15:09] <Eazinn> thats not really a plus
  49. 01[15:09] <@Belthasar> Besides if landmaster is going to hand off the site we may as well take advantage of speedrun.com anyway I think.
  50. [15:09] <matrick2298> i like that
  51. [15:09] <Eazinn> big games having seperate leaderboards is usually a good thing
  52. [15:09] <WildAnaconda69> ^
  53. [15:09] <schmeman> why?
  54. [15:09] <matrick2298> in general, speedrun.com is a lot easier to use and a lot more customizable though
  55. [15:10] <Eazinn> because they are usually managed better
  56. [15:10] <schmeman> how so?
  57. [15:10] <matrick2298> and programs like livesplit can pull from speedrun.com
  58. [15:10] <Eazinn> theelite.net, megaman leaderboards, dkcspeedruns, all function much better and look cleaner then src
  59. [15:10] <Eazinn> and people find them no problem
  60. [15:10] <WildAnaconda69> zelda as well
  61. [15:11] <Eazinn> deertier just loooks really nice, and has been around for a long time, alot of runners that arnt here wont like the switch
  62. [15:11] <Eazinn> there is like maybe 5-10% of runners in here now
  63. [15:11] <schmeman> yeah
  64. [15:11] <matrick2298> the old school guys wouldnt like it
  65. [15:11] <Eazinn> i dont think it something that can be decided right this second at least
  66. [15:11] <matrick2298> but then again, if they arent here that means that they arent active
  67. [15:12] <WildAnaconda69> we cant assume opinions of those who arent present
  68. [15:12] <schmeman> but deertier kinda sucks compared to those sites you listed eazinn
  69. [15:12] <schmeman> all it does is list times... that's it
  70. [15:12] <Eazinn> i mean src makes revenue off of times being on SRC, so its hard work that was put into deertier that src is profiting off for free
  71. [15:12] <Eazinn> thats a pretty huge factor imo
  72. [15:12] <schmeman> ehh
  73. [15:12] <WildAnaconda69> could you go more in depth eaz
  74. [15:12] <schmeman> that's a non-issue i think really
  75. [15:13] <Eazinn> ads anaconda
  76. [15:13] <schmeman> they're providing a nice service on their site regardless
  77. [15:13] <Eazinn> meh
  78. [15:13] <Eazinn> its an ok service
  79. [15:13] <Eazinn> its good for small games that wouldnt have a site otherwise
  80. [15:13] <schmeman> at least we can agree that's it's a service :P
  81. [15:13] <Eazinn> but games that have a site, like why bother?
  82. [15:13] <matrick2298> yea i agree
  83. [15:14] <matrick2298> i see no glaring issues with deertier's functionality
  84. [15:14] <Eazinn> if you good megaman leaderboards the first thing you see is there leaderboards, same with zelda, super metroid, eother games
  85. [15:14] <Jack879> On Src, would ultimate authority be held in the hands of SM community
  86. [15:14] <Eazinn> i think some people just like to feel like they are in controll
  87. [15:14] <Eazinn> so they want mod in src channels
  88. [15:15] <Eazinn> i guess the bottom line for me personally, is if its not broken why fix it, its worked fine for all these years.
  89. [15:15] <matrick2298> ^
  90. [15:15] <schmeman> but if it has the potential to be better
  91. [15:15] <schmeman> it should be discussed
  92. [15:15] <Eazinn> the best thing to do imo, would be to put a link to deertier in speedrun.com
  93. [15:15] <Jack879> To be honest the only pressing matter would be inconsistent reply time from landmaster but the rest is just convenience more tha necessity.
  94. [15:15] <schmeman> i don't agree with the not broken thing at all honestlyu
  95. [15:15] <Eazinn> yeah forsure discuss, thats why im giving my 2 cents
  96. [15:15] <+Elminster> hi
  97. [15:15] <schmeman> definitely
  98. [15:15] <Eazinn> hi
  99. [15:15] <matrick2298> to be honest, i dont really like src that much, they are trying to fit way too much onto one page and it makes it seem really cluttered
  100. [15:15] <schmeman> btw
  101. [15:16] <schmeman> can we stop calling it src btw lol
  102. [15:16] <schmeman> it's so fucking confusing
  103. [15:16] <Jack879> And I'm not sure how much a big shift like going from DT so Src would be worth the convenience.
  104. 01[15:16] <@Belthasar> I agree matrick
  105. [15:16] <Eazinn> src is speedrun.com lol
  106. [15:16] <schmeman> i keep thinking irc lol
  107. [15:16] <Eazinn> i agree with matrick tho
  108. 01[15:16] <@Belthasar> Having the categories on the side and at the top looks odd.
  109. [15:16] <Eazinn> src leaderboards dont look very good
  110. [15:16] <Eazinn> especially compared to deertier
  111. [15:16] <matrick2298> it also tries to add like helpful information and stuff
  112. [15:16] <matrick2298> but if youve run the game, you dont need that shit
  113. [15:17] <Eazinn> deanyd has everything for that
  114. [15:17] <+Elminster> it's nice to have
  115. [15:17] <matrick2298> exactly
  116. [15:17] <schmeman> I think it looks pretty nice, but it also has way more functionality than deertier. Deertier needs a major overhaul imo
  117. 01[15:17] <@Belthasar> Well being able to put that stuff all in one place could be nice
  118. [15:17] <schmeman> all it has going for it is, it looks nice and shows times
  119. [15:17] <matrick2298> 2 sites is all we need, leaderboards and a wiki
  120. [15:17] <Eazinn> major overhaul i would have to disagree with
  121. [15:17] <Eazinn> minor yes
  122. [15:17] <matrick2298> there isnt much wrong with deertier
  123. [15:17] <matrick2298> all it is needed for is to show times
  124. 01[15:17] <@Belthasar> If we could get landmaster to add links to the wiki and other resources that would be cool too.
  125. [15:18] <Eazinn> theres really nothing wrong with it lol
  126. [15:18] <Jack879> Why not just ask landmaster to slap deanyd on the front page of DT?
  127. [15:18] <matrick2298> thats why that is all it does
  128. [15:18] <WildAnaconda69> i dont think there has been any issue with directing new runners to all of our various resources
  129. [15:18] <Eazinn> its just reply times which arnt even that bad
  130. [15:18] <WildAnaconda69> so moving the entirety of the leader boards just for that seems a little unjustified
  131. [15:18] <Eazinn> if deertier just added more mods or w.e that are active runners it would fix the problem instantly
  132. [15:19] <matrick2298> what it all comes down to is this: is it worth all the trouble of switching over to src and making everyone start using that just to get, something that subjectively looks better and to get more control
  133. [15:19] <matrick2298> and the answer is no
  134. [15:19] <schmeman> the answer isn't necessarily no
  135. [15:19] <schmeman> i wish there were more people here...
  136. [15:19] <matrick2298> i dont think you understand how much of a chore it will be to make everyone switch
  137. [15:20] <matrick2298> and there will still be those few people who just wont want to do it
  138. [15:20] <schmeman> it wouldn't be that big of an issue
  139. [15:20] <Eazinn> honestly most people will agree with not switching to src schmeman
  140. [15:20] <Eazinn> like a good 80%
  141. [15:20] <matrick2298> i have an idea
  142. [15:20] <schmeman> oh i'm sure
  143. 01[15:20] <@Belthasar> Well if deertier.com just redirects to speedrun.com/deertier then it's no work at all to get people to switch.
  144. [15:20] <+Elminster> i've seen sm64 and oot leaderboards both switch
  145. [15:20] <+Elminster> and they both turned out fine
  146. [15:20] <+Elminster> and the original leaderboard sites for those exist as well
  147. [15:20] <matrick2298> why not just put src up for a month or so and tell everyone we are switching, then if it doesnt go over well then just bail
  148. [15:21] <Eazinn> well tbh ZSR is a terrible site so its understandable that OOT would switch
  149. [15:21] <Eazinn> and people still use marioruns
  150. 12[15:21] <matrick2298> thats true belthasar
  151. 01[15:21] <@Belthasar> I feel like that could be a mess matrick
  152. [15:21] <+Elminster> zsr and marioruns both have more functionality than deertier
  153. [15:21] <Eazinn> lol^
  154. [15:21] <Eazinn> good joke
  155. [15:21] <Eazinn> zsr never loads
  156. [15:21] <schmeman> what does deertier have exactly?
  157. [15:21] <schmeman> well
  158. [15:21] <matrick2298> it has our times
  159. [15:22] <matrick2298> which is all it needs to have
  160. [15:22] <matrick2298> everything else is on the wiki
  161. [15:22] <schmeman> zsr does suck lol but whatever
  162. [15:22] <+Elminster> zsr has metadata and filters
  163. [15:22] <Eazinn> not to attack you or anything, just saying
  164. [15:22] <+Elminster> the site itself doesn't hold up very well but
  165. [15:22] <cfb> moving over the times and shutting down deertier is almost insulting tbh
  166. [15:22] <+Elminster> i'm talking about specifically the functionality the site attempts to provide
  167. [15:22] <schmeman> insulting to whom cfb?
  168. [15:22] <Eazinn> ilu cfb
  169. [15:22] <cfb> the people that run it
  170. [15:22] <cfb> and have maintained it
  171. [15:22] <matrick2298> people have put soooo much work into deertier
  172. [15:22] <cfb> 'yeah thanks for doing this fuck you we are moving over to sr.com'
  173. [15:23] <cfb> >we
  174. [15:23] <schmeman> well, we'd talk to landmaster, but i don't think it's really insulting if we want or need something better
  175. [15:23] <cfb> its literally fine the way it is
  176. [15:23] <matrick2298> not just him
  177. [15:23] <+Elminster> does anyone know who crocomirepoop is btw?
  178. [15:23] <cfb> it has the times
  179. [15:23] <matrick2298> there are others schmeman
  180. [15:23] <cfb> you dont need anything else
  181. [15:23] <matrick2298> ^
  182. [15:23] <WildAnaconda69> yeah who the fuck is that anyway
  183. [15:23] <+Elminster> he's never posted videos
  184. [15:23] <Eazinn> i agree with cfb
  185. [15:24] <+Elminster> i've asked if any of the mods know who he is and can vouch for him, but nobody seems to care
  186. [15:24] <Eazinn> plus sr.com profits from having times on there
  187. 01[15:24] <@Belthasar> I guess it depends on how interested in the site landmaster still is.
  188. [15:24] <Eazinn> which is wrong because of all the hardwork perople put into deertier
  189. [15:24] <schmeman> why does that matter if they profit though?
  190. [15:24] <schmeman> i don't understand
  191. 01[15:24] <@Belthasar> Since he's never around I just figured he wouldn't really care.
  192. 01[15:24] <@Belthasar> But that's true cfb
  193. [15:24] <matrick2298> yea eazinn thats really not a good argument
  194. [15:24] <Eazinn> because people put all this hard work into deertier? and other people are making profit off of their content on another website
  195. [15:24] <Eazinn> sounds pretty fucked to me
  196. [15:24] <matrick2298> i just dont see what we have to gain from switching
  197. [15:25] <Eazinn> same
  198. [15:25] <matrick2298> all it is is another place to have the same times
  199. [15:25] <cfb> its another website that you have to switch to
  200. [15:25] <matrick2298> its like if we moved everything on deanyd to another page
  201. [15:25] <+Elminster> what is all this hard work that people put into it
  202. [15:25] <+Elminster> mrlandmaster coded it for us, years ago
  203. [15:25] <cfb> and you have to stay within its template
  204. [15:25] <cfb> instead of doing w/e you want with dt
  205. [15:25] <+Elminster> and makes changes like every 6 months
  206. [15:25] <WildAnaconda69> ok ok ok hang on
  207. [15:26] <schmeman> i honestly don't see why it's fucked if people want to take their times somewhere else
  208. [15:26] <+Elminster> and people just slap times on, the people who have moderation powers don't really need to do anything
  209. [15:26] <schmeman> i don't owe anything to landmaster tbh
  210. 01[15:26] <@Belthasar> Yeah I'm not sure what "content" src would be making money on that came from dt?
  211. [15:26] <schmeman> nice guy i'm sure but still
  212. [15:26] <WildAnaconda69> so the reason to move would be to have our game part of the broader speedrunning community, have greater control, and to have easier access to our games resources correct?
  213. [15:26] <Eazinn> i personally dont think the person who made supermetroid src channel should have mod
  214. [15:26] <+Overfiendvip> It's actually different than if you switched to deanyd for multiple reasons.
  215. [15:26] <Eazinn> if it does switch
  216. [15:26] <Jack879> It seems so, Wild.
  217. 01[15:26] <@Belthasar> Well no one has mod on it now.
  218. [15:26] <Eazinn> good
  219. [15:26] <schmeman> yes basically wild
  220. [15:27] <Jack879> I'm sure the last two pieces can be modified on DT itself.
  221. [15:27] <cfb> >have greater control, and to have easier access to our games resources correct?
  222. [15:27] <cfb> how are either of these relevent
  223. [15:27] <cfb> or i should say
  224. [15:27] <cfb> how do they apply
  225. [15:27] <WildAnaconda69> what point is there to move outselves to where the rest of the community is? what issue have we had redirecting people to those resourses up until this point?
  226. [15:27] <WildAnaconda69> exacly cfb
  227. [15:27] <IsaV> oh almost missed this
  228. [15:27] <Jack879> Inconsistent reply times from landmaster making changes to the site and materials for speedrunning but they're not necessities. Just conveniences.
  229. [15:27] <IsaV> holy shit backlog
  230. [15:27] <Eazinn> i agree, like nobody has problems finding deertier
  231. 01[15:27] <@Belthasar> lol welcome isav
  232. [15:28] <WildAnaconda69> as a community we have always been able to provide resources to our newer runners
  233. [15:28] <matrick2298> i find it interesting that dcr isnt contributing to this discussion at all considering he is the one who started this whole thing in the first place
  234. [15:28] <Eazinn> lol same, its because he thought this would go smoothly and everyone would want to switch
  235. [15:29] <matrick2298> well im not trying to shit talk him or anything
  236. [15:29] <matrick2298> i'd just like to hear his thoughts
  237. [15:29] <schmeman> well, to be fair, not everyone is here
  238. [15:29] <Eazinn> its the truth tho
  239. [15:29] <matrick2298> well schmeman
  240. [15:29] <matrick2298> he said something earlier
  241. [15:29] <Eazinn> he got banned from dkcspeedruns for trying this
  242. [15:29] <matrick2298> like one random blurb
  243. [15:29] <WildAnaconda69> well think about it
  244. [15:29] <WildAnaconda69> all of the people who arent here ALSO arent a part of the discord either
  245. [15:29] <schmeman> i'm not opposed to staying with deertier.com
  246. [15:30] <schmeman> I just want to find the best option, whatever it may be
  247. [15:30] <WildAnaconda69> which is more of a migration AWAY from this channel
  248. [15:30] <matrick2298> heres what we should do
  249. [15:30] <Eazinn> is there a mumble?
  250. [15:30] <matrick2298> im gonna write this down: everyone say the pros of switching and no one say anything else
  251. [15:30] <matrick2298> then we will do the cons
  252. [15:30] <matrick2298> and compare
  253. [15:30] <WildAnaconda69> no mumble
  254. [15:30] <IsaV> I see no reason to switch other than "Deertier has a sorta inactive admin and most of the mods don't play SM anymore", for which I think it would be a ..smart?.. choice to first bring that topic up separately and see if one can get more Mods installed on Deertier or perhaps have Landmaster add another admin, before one even suggests a full switch
  255. [15:30] <Eazinn> the pros of switching to me are nothing
  256. [15:31] <schmeman> honestly, if people think we should stay on deertier, then maybe we should change the discussion a bit to "how can we improve deertier?"
  257. [15:31] <+Elminster> more metadata, can have sm times on src profile with other games, more responsive mods unless landmaster adds more active ones
  258. [15:31] <IsaV> I remember way back Deertier had no mods at all or perhaps 1 person, and then people contacted landmaster and thats when gari dbx etc were added in the first place, so I don't know why this couldn't happen again
  259. [15:31] <wqqqqwrt> speedrun.com is gay
  260. [15:31] <wqqqqwrt> theres a con
  261. [15:31] <Eazinn> ty wq
  262. [15:31] <WildAnaconda69> wq lol
  263. [15:31] <Eazinn> <3
  264. [15:31] <@ivan> nice con
  265. [15:31] <WildAnaconda69> ok so schmems has a good point
  266. 01[15:31] <@Belthasar> That's a good idea schmeman
  267. [15:31] <WildAnaconda69> how can we improve dt
  268. [15:31] <matrick2298> well i mean, every issue with dt could very easily be fixed by a simple email
  269. [15:31] <WildAnaconda69> we have already come up wth a few
  270. [15:31] <WildAnaconda69> add more mods
  271. [15:32] <WildAnaconda69> add our various resource locations
  272. [15:32] <WildAnaconda69> like deadyd
  273. [15:32] <Eazinn> yeah i agree, finding a fix is better then switching sites
  274. [15:32] <WildAnaconda69> deanyd8
  275. [15:32] <WildAnaconda69> ffs
  276. [15:32] <WildAnaconda69> what else could we do
  277. 01[15:32] <@Belthasar> I think I would like it better if we could fix deertier and have speedrun.com point to deertier
  278. [15:32] <+Elminster> i don't like the idea of having to email one person every time we want something changed, rather than bring it up in here to people who are around all the time
  279. [15:32] <Eazinn> that would realisticly fix everything
  280. [15:32] <WildAnaconda69> those are about the top 2 concerns and reasons for switching in the forst place
  281. [15:32] <IsaV> sr.com is really damn ugly and I don't really see how it would give us more control since it's an entirely different page unlike the one we are currently on which is run by "us"
  282. [15:32] <Eazinn> agree isav
  283. [15:32] <matrick2298> ^
  284. 01[15:32] <@Belthasar> I agree elminster
  285. 01[15:33] <@Belthasar> Maybe we could get landmaster to add an admin or 2?
  286. [15:33] <Eazinn> plus having a speedrun.com profile doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things
  287. [15:33] <WildAnaconda69> right so if we can add more mods and provide our resources then *most* people would be satisfied?
  288. [15:33] <matrick2298> well at least that one person listens elm
  289. [15:33] <Eazinn> yeah a few more admins would help
  290. [15:33] <matrick2298> who should be added as mods then
  291. [15:33] <Eazinn> who are the mods already?
  292. [15:33] <matrick2298> no one extrememly trustworthy is very active anymore
  293. 12[15:33] <matrick2298> i gues belthasar
  294. [15:33] <matrick2298> and strae
  295. [15:33] <matrick2298> foosda
  296. [15:34] <matrick2298> dessy
  297. [15:34] <matrick2298> total
  298. 01[15:34] <@Belthasar> total
  299. [15:34] <matrick2298> ED
  300. [15:34] <IsaV> Just don't make ED an admin else we have 800 new categories on deertier tomorrow
  301. [15:34] <matrick2298> overfiend
  302. 01[15:34] <@Belthasar> I don't think ed would want to
  303. [15:34] <WildAnaconda69> just DbX, Gari, Krauser318, lvan, MrLandmaster and zoast
  304. [15:34] <schmeman> overfiendvip
  305. [15:34] <+Elminster> lol isa
  306. [15:34] <matrick2298> haha isa
  307. 01[15:34] <@Belthasar> LOL
  308. [15:34] <Eazinn> thats quite a few names
  309. [15:34] <WildAnaconda69> it says right on dt those are the mods
  310. 12[15:34] <Eazinn> i would narrow that down to overfiend, strae, and belthasar
  311. [15:34] <cfb> what are new mods even needed fo
  312. [15:34] <cfb> for
  313. [15:34] <matrick2298> and total
  314. [15:35] <cfb> how often does moderating need to be done
  315. [15:35] <schmeman> the old mods are gone
  316. [15:35] <schmeman> but admins
  317. [15:35] <schmeman> cfb
  318. [15:35] <matrick2298> ok so
  319. 01[15:35] <@Belthasar> I depends on how much mods can do I guess cfb
  320. 12[15:35] <matrick2298> Belthasar strae total overfiend
  321. [15:35] <Eazinn> i agree with cfb, its not like new categorys are going to be found at this point
  322. [15:35] <matrick2298> who else
  323. 12[15:35] <Charles_Black> i vote belthasar and total to start with
  324. [15:35] <IsaV> I don't know what rights the Mods even have
  325. [15:35] <Eazinn> not much needs to be changed
  326. [15:35] <cfb> like
  327. [15:35] <Charles_Black> if we need more we'll add more
  328. [15:35] <cfb> how often does a joke time get posted
  329. [15:35] <cfb> maybe once every 2 months?
  330. [15:35] <matrick2298> not even
  331. [15:35] <cfb> if you get added as mod to sr.com
  332. [15:35] <cfb> are you really
  333. [15:35] <cfb> really
  334. [15:35] <cfb> REALLY
  335. [15:36] <@ivan> all we can do is remove times
  336. [15:36] <cfb> going to watch EVERY pb?
  337. [15:36] <cfb> to verify?
  338. [15:36] <schmeman> it's not really about moderation cfb
  339. [15:36] <IsaV> ok so all the mods do is kill dildo
  340. [15:36] <matrick2298> right
  341. [15:36] <Eazinn> most people just see who submitted the time and dont watch the vod
  342. [15:36] <matrick2298> so i guess deertier is fine
  343. [15:36] <matrick2298> and this was a waste of time
  344. [15:36] <cfb> well people were bringing up adding new mods
  345. [15:36] <cfb> so i was wondering why mods were needed
  346. [15:36] <schmeman> i think we meant people with more direct control to the site itself
  347. [15:36] <IsaV> cfb I think most people figured that mods could do smth such as adding new categories?
  348. [15:36] <Charles_Black> what we "need" is a new admin, and that's mostly for convenience
  349. [15:36] <schmeman> such as like landmasters position
  350. [15:36] <IsaV> At least thats what I thought
  351. [15:37] <Eazinn> well what new categorys realisticly are yet to be found
  352. [15:37] <matrick2298> right, we need someone with landmaster control
  353. 01[15:37] <@Belthasar> Yeah I thought mods had more control over categories.
  354. [15:37] <Eazinn> not to be ignorant but this game has been pushed almost as far as it can go
  355. [15:37] <cfb> the only change i would make to deertier
  356. [15:37] <cfb> is adding a link to http://deanyd.net/sm/index.php?title=Main_Page
  357. [15:37] <WildAnaconda69> we dont need any more cats tbh
  358. [15:37] <schmeman> not necessarily new categories, but other improvements that we may want to add to the site
  359. [15:37] <cfb> unless its there and i cant see it
  360. [15:37] <+Elminster> what if we decide
  361. 01[15:37] <@Belthasar> Or the ability to edit the front page or add a resource page or something
  362. [15:38] <schmeman> *honestly less categories* *cough*
  363. [15:38] <IsaV> Then I guess for now the most straightforward way is to pause this discussion, as most people seem to be very happy with Deertier as long as it's a bit more convenient, and contact Landmaster asking him whether he'd be okay with giving additional people admin rights? If he says no, discussion can get revived
  364. [15:38] <+Elminster> there are too many damn 14% categories on the site and it needs to be cleaned up
  365. [15:38] <Jack879> "We shouldn't change aspects of the leaderboards because any% is very optimized." Eazinn?
  366. [15:38] <IsaV> ?
  367. [15:38] <WildAnaconda69> ok ok ok ok ok ok ok hang on
  368. [15:38] <@ivan> what
  369. [15:38] <Eazinn> thats not what i said jack
  370. [15:38] <Zealous_Benediction> DeerTier stands out as a staple leaderboard site more than any other learderboard site for any other game.
  371. [15:38] <Eazinn> and not what i was inferring either
  372. [15:38] <+Overfiendvip> Hello ivan
  373. [15:38] <matrick2298> isa is right guys
  374. [15:38] <matrick2298> lets put this on hold for a little
  375. [15:38] <WildAnaconda69> so its seems as if we have completely abondoned the migration idea
  376. [15:38] <Jack879> What do you mean?
  377. [15:39] <cfb> indefinitely
  378. 01[15:39] <@Belthasar> Yeah I think so wild
  379. [15:39] <WildAnaconda69> we have also discussed what we think should bechanged
  380. [15:39] <Eazinn> i mean that the game has been pushed really far? as in not many more major glitches or route changes are going to be found, and not many or no more categorys will be discovered
  381. [15:39] <WildAnaconda69> so we can probably postpone this
  382. [15:39] <Eazinn> i wasnt talking about speedrun times
  383. [15:39] <IsaV> WildAnaconda69 As far as I gathered, migration is just way below "more convenient deertier", but if landmaster says "i dont want other admins on my page", it could still be a thing? so not entirely abandoned, just .. 2nd/3rd choice
  384. 01[15:40] <@Belthasar> ^
  385. [15:40] <schmeman> the only real categories that are likely to be found are 14% or 13% categories... but please no more deer force
  386. [15:40] <Jack879> Yeah as far as categories there isn't as much of a chance for additions.
  387. [15:40] <matrick2298> lets contact landmaster and then bring this discussion back after we get a response
  388. [15:40] <matrick2298> thats the only solution for the time being
  389. [15:40] <matrick2298> seeing as no one wants to migrate
  390. [15:40] <Eazinn> personally i would still disagree with swapping to src no matter what landmaster says
  391. [15:40] <Eazinn> src is bad
  392. [15:40] <matrick2298> im saying for fixing dt
  393. [15:40] <matrick2298> we have abandoned src at this point
  394. [15:41] <IsaV> I find it funny though that when I asked what the consensus was, it sat at "Most people are for changing or neutral", and now everyone is against
  395. 01[15:41] <@Belthasar> Just because we don't add cats often doesn't mean we won't want to reorganize sometimes.
  396. 01[15:41] <@Belthasar> IsaV me to :D
  397. [15:41] <Eazinn> i mean you are saying re open the discussion if landmaster doesnt want to add more admins and im saying whats the point in even that
  398. [15:41] <+Elminster> most people on discord seemed to be for it
  399. 01[15:41] <@Belthasar> That was impression I got initially on discord
  400. [15:41] <+Elminster> but that's why we had this discussion
  401. [15:41] <IsaV> I dunno shit about discord o/
  402. [15:41] <Jack879> Discord is an even smaller population than irc.
  403. [15:41] <schmeman> come join buddy :)
  404. [15:41] <matrick2298> because eaziin
  405. [15:42] <matrick2298> then we can look into other possibilities
  406. [15:42] <Eazinn> discord just has new runners tbh
  407. [15:42] <@ivan> probably because discord is shit
  408. [15:42] <Eazinn> ^
  409. [15:42] <Jack879> lol
  410. [15:42] <schmeman> discord is great :P
  411. [15:42] <IsaV> skullgirls community is on discord, which makes me not want to join the thing
  412. [15:42] <WildAnaconda69> thats exactly what i was saying earlier
  413. [15:42] <IsaV> seems suspect
  414. [15:42] <Charles_Black> discord is shit
  415. [15:42] <Charles_Black> lol IsaV
  416. [15:42] <WildAnaconda69> people who arent here ALSO arent on discord
  417. [15:42] <Eazinn> discord is free and thats what i like about it
  418. [15:42] <WildAnaconda69> motivation for change isnt really there
  419. [15:42] <Eazinn> and its much better then skype
  420. [15:43] <@ivan> discord combines what i like about mumble with what i fucking hate about skype
  421. [15:43] <Zealous_Benediction> Pretty sure Discord is there more as a voice convenience, since Skype is the trashiest VOIP
  422. [15:43] <Eazinn> yeah mumble is much better imo
  423. [15:43] <Jack879> discord is slightly less bad than skype but still pretty awful
  424. [15:43] <Zealous_Benediction> Mumble's codec is also shit relative to TEam Speak
  425. [15:43] <Eazinn> but isnt free
  426. 01[15:43] <@Belthasar> Really ivan? I think discord gets rid of all the crap I hate about skype LOL
  427. [15:43] <matrick2298> well since this discussion is basically over im leaving
  428. [15:43] <Eazinn> bye
  429. [15:43] <WildAnaconda69> ok sorry i derailed the convo
  430. [15:43] <matrick2298> this was quite a waste of time
  431. [15:43] <@ivan> i hate the UI
  432. [15:43] <@ivan> giant everything
  433. [15:43] <Eazinn> good discisson yal
  434. [15:43] <Eazinn> conclusion
  435. 01[15:43] <@Belthasar> ah I see
  436. [15:43] <schmeman> don't be bitter matrick lol
  437. [15:43] <Eazinn> src is shit
  438. [15:44] <matrick2298> schmeman OpieOP
  439. [15:44] <WildAnaconda69> look if people dont wanna switch they werent going to in the first place
  440. [15:44] <Jack879> It wasn't a waste of time.
  441. 01[15:44] <@Belthasar> No it wasn't
  442. [15:44] <Jack879> people voiced what changes they would like to see in DT. Bring them up to landmaster.
  443. [15:44] <matrick2298> guess no one can take a joke
  444. [15:44] <WildAnaconda69> plz matrick you made no effort to make that come across as a joke
  445. 01[15:44] <@Belthasar> oh fair enough
  446. [15:45] <Jack879> If you never type you'll never be misunderstood, Metric.
  447. [15:45] <IsaV> Perhaps you should discuss who talks with Landmaster
  448. [15:45] <schmeman> I think wiki being added to deertier is the most important change
  449. [15:45] <IsaV> So he doesn't suddenly get 20 mails from different people
  450. [15:45] <matrick2298> haha, thanks jack, ill keep that in mind
  451. [15:45] <matrick2298> well isa
  452. [15:45] <matrick2298> how bout you
  453. [15:45] <schmeman> and maybe some cleaning up of category names and categories in general
  454. [15:45] <matrick2298> well actually
  455. [15:45] <matrick2298> since we are all here
  456. [15:45] <IsaV> Links to the Wiki, Goldens Tutorial, Zoasts Tutorial, whatever @DT would certainly be neat
  457. [15:45] <matrick2298> we should name gt classic any% all bosses
  458. [15:46] <IsaV> also where is dcr :G
  459. [15:46] <WildAnaconda69> deanyd as well isa
  460. [15:46] <matrick2298> similar to low% all bosses
  461. [15:46] <IsaV> WildAnaconda69 deanyd is the wiki isnt it
  462. 01[15:46] <@Belthasar> NO Dont rename gt classic :(
  463. [15:46] <schmeman> deanyd
  464. [15:46] <schmeman> deanyd.net/sm
  465. [15:46] <+Elminster> yeah don't rename gt classic
  466. 12[15:46] <matrick2298> that name makes much more sense belthasar
  467. [15:46] <schmeman> is the wiki
  468. [15:46] <+Elminster> just delete the damn thing
  469. [15:46] <WildAnaconda69> oh yeah lol
  470. 01[15:46] <@Belthasar> Elm D:
  471. [15:46] <matrick2298> then gt code can just be called GT or something
  472. [15:46] <WildAnaconda69> it doesnt tho becuase any% doesnt allow gt code
  473. 01[15:46] <@Belthasar> My favorite off category :(
  474. [15:47] <matrick2298> its in the glitched section anacodna
  475. [15:47] <matrick2298> any% all bosses glitched
  476. [15:47] <Jack879> Can we please stop taking matrick seriously
  477. 01[15:47] <@Belthasar> Oh tutorials and what-not will hopefully all be on crocomi.re
  478. 01[15:47] <@Belthasar> I'm also joking jack
  479. [15:47] <schmeman> yes
  480. 01[15:47] <@Belthasar> (well half joking)
  481. [15:47] <schmeman> forgot about crocomire
  482. [15:47] <schmeman> but that could be a really great site
  483. 01[15:47] <@Belthasar> yeah we just need to add stuff to it
  484. [15:48] <matrick2298> yea if people took the time to make it that
  485. [15:48] <WildAnaconda69> yeah total has put hella work into that
  486. 01[15:48] <@Belthasar> I like that it's searchable from here and discord
  487. [15:48] <schmeman> deertier could maybe link to the wiki and crocomire
  488. [15:48] <matrick2298> but no one seems to put enough time into adding all the vids
  489. [15:48] <knox> Jack879 who is we
  490. 01[15:48] <@Belthasar> yeah. I plan to keep at it at some point
  491. [15:48] <Jack879> Me.
  492. [15:48] <schmeman> did anyone email landmaster btw?
  493. 01[15:48] <@Belthasar> no
  494. [15:49] <matrick2298> i said isa should
  495. 01[15:49] <@Belthasar> I vote strae does it because he's not here to defend himself Kappa
  496. [15:49] <matrick2298> and i think isa did
  497. [15:49] <schmeman> plus, strae has a knack for composing emails :)
  498. [15:49] <IsaV> Isa certainly didn't and Isa certainly won't
  499. 01[15:49] <@Belthasar> haha
  500. [15:49] <matrick2298> lol
  501. 01[15:49] <@Belthasar> straevaras
  502. 01[15:49] <@Belthasar> hello
  503. [15:49] <%total> yo
  504. [15:49] <matrick2298> hey total
  505. [15:50] <schmeman> morning total
  506. [15:50] <IsaV> hi total
  507. [15:50] <matrick2298> this is basically done
  508. [15:50] <%total> óh really
  509. [15:50] <knox> it was before it started hth
  510. 12[15:50] <Charles_Black> .pb Belthasar any%
  511. 12[15:50] <GuruOfLive> Belthasar's pb for Any% Real Time is 0:49:35
  512. [15:51] <matrick2298> total im gonna pm you on discord, gotta ask you something
  513. [15:51] <IsaV> why not pm on irc
  514. [15:51] <Charles_Black> total i would like to speak to you as well, but i will pm on irc
  515. 01[15:51] <@Belthasar> haha
  516. [15:51] <matrick2298> i dont like irc pm
  517. [15:51] <+Overfiendvip> total, I have nothing to say to you but thanks
  518. [15:51] <Jack879> This is just me filling more space.
  519. [15:51] <schmeman> can't you just let him know you want to talk to him by initiating a pm?
  520. [15:51] <%total> so, hows the discussion going here?
  521. [15:51] <%total> sorry I missed a bit of it
  522. [15:52] <+Elminster> schmeman i would like to send you a private message on internet relay chat
  523. [15:52] <schmeman> it seems as though we're mostly against moving, but instead, making deertier better
  524. [15:52] <@ivan> it was bumpin earlier
  525. [15:52] <Zealous_Benediction> About 1-2 people making legit suggestions, and the rest being children.
  526. [15:52] <+Elminster> that no one else can see
  527. [15:52] <WildAnaconda69> we decided to not move to sr.c and stay on dt however there are things people would like to change
  528. [15:52] <matrick2298> well yes schmeman
  529. [15:52] <matrick2298> but with ED i need to tell him im going to
  530. [15:52] <Jack879> People brought up grievances and suggestions of DT and it seems that mostly people don't want to migrate.
  531. [15:52] <matrick2298> so i do it with most people
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  540. Dec 13 12:52:51 <total> yeah I'm a bit sceptical about moving as well
  541. Dec 13 12:52:52 <IsaV> WildAnaconda69 i want to talk to you, i will send you a pm on twitch telling you where i will send the carrier pidgeon for you to pick up
  542. Dec 13 12:52:54 <total> there's no need really
  543. Dec 13 12:53:09 <WildAnaconda69> ok sick isa thanks <3
  544. Dec 13 12:53:16 <Jack879> That's what I said, and suggested to send email to landmaster about possible changes to DT.
  545. Dec 13 12:53:24 <WildAnaconda69> thats mostly what people were saying total
  546. Dec 13 12:53:37 <total> Yeah, better if we just address whatever shortcomings deertier have
  547. Dec 13 12:53:39 <knox> thank god for dcrgamer
  548. Dec 13 12:53:59 <Belthasar> I think we landed on trying to get landmaster to add another admin or two for deertier
  549. Dec 13 12:54:06 <Belthasar> Which seems fine
  550. Dec 13 12:54:14 <WildAnaconda69> we did total. mostly more control/relooking at mod list, and making our resources available
  551. Dec 13 12:54:22 <WildAnaconda69> like deanyd, croc, etc
  552. Dec 13 12:54:25 <schmeman> i vote for straevaras honestly, if someone needs to be added and he's willing
  553. Dec 13 12:54:29 <total> cool cool
  554. Dec 13 12:54:32 <total> sounds like a good plan
  555. Dec 13 12:54:37 <WildAnaconda69> agreed
  556. Dec 13 12:54:56 <Straevaras> crap
  557. Dec 13 12:55:00 <Straevaras> sorry forget this was going on
  558. Dec 13 12:55:10 <Belthasar> That's ok. You were voted to email landmaster
  559. Dec 13 12:55:15 <Straevaras> D:
  560. Dec 13 12:55:16 <Belthasar> get on it Kappa
  561. Dec 13 12:55:25 <Eazinn> FrankerZ
  562. Dec 13 12:55:29 <Eazinn> .Whalelove
  563. Dec 13 12:55:35 <Eazinn> wow this channel sucks
  564. Dec 13 12:55:36 --- Pasky13 is now known as Pasky
  565. Dec 13 12:55:38 <Belthasar> baba left D:
  566. Dec 13 12:55:38 <Jack879> Strae is obviously too incompetent to be admin see how late he is
  567. Dec 13 12:55:44 <Straevaras> :(
  568. Dec 13 12:55:48 <Eazinn> ;(
  569. Dec 13 12:55:52 <Straevaras> But
  570. Dec 13 12:55:54 <Straevaras> I have chat logs
  571. Dec 13 12:55:59 <WildAnaconda69> straevaras the consensus was stay at DT but ask landmaster about reworking the mod list and add more of our resoirces for sm
  572. Dec 13 12:56:13 <Straevaras> ok
  573. Dec 13 12:56:15 <Pasky> the obvious solution here
  574. Dec 13 12:56:19 <Pasky> is to move over to speedrun.com
  575. Dec 13 12:56:28 <Pasky> jajajaja
  576. Dec 13 12:56:29 <WildAnaconda69> pasky plz
  577. Dec 13 12:56:29 <schmeman> lol
  578. Dec 13 12:56:30 * Belthasar slaps Pasky around a bit with a large trout
  579. Dec 13 12:56:33 <Jack879> lol
  580. Dec 13 12:57:13 <WildAnaconda69> alright well i think everyone is on the same page
  581. Dec 13 12:57:21 <WildAnaconda69> appreciate the candor and whatnot
  582. Dec 13 12:57:23 <schmeman> yes
  583. Dec 13 12:57:25 <schmeman> this irc page
  584. Dec 13 12:57:31 <foosda> not everyone, but that's fine
  585. Dec 13 12:57:41 <foosda> I for one, will not stand in the way of a majority
  586. Dec 13 12:57:41 <schmeman> speak foosda
  587. Dec 13 12:57:58 <Belthasar> yeah what's your take?
  588. Dec 13 12:58:00 <WildAnaconda69> do you have a dissenting opinion?
  589. Dec 13 12:58:09 <foosda> I've been against deertier since january
  590. Dec 13 12:58:22 <IsaV> what happened in january?
  591. Dec 13 12:58:22 <Eazinn> src is a shit site
  592. Dec 13 12:58:31 <foosda> the lack of control we have over it is extraordinarily frustrating
  593. Dec 13 12:58:50 <total> Well let's first see if that can be addressed
  594. Dec 13 12:58:59 <IsaV> Well yes that is why we were hoping we could contact landmaster to add you as an admin
  595. Dec 13 12:59:05 <WildAnaconda69> thats what we were going to talk to landmaster about
  596. Dec 13 12:59:06 <IsaV> If he says no to that, we can still consider switching
  597. Dec 13 12:59:06 <total> maybe it's possible for more people to have access to the code of the site
  598. Dec 13 12:59:20 <foosda> landmaster has said in the past he has no plans to let anyone else edit the site
  599. Dec 13 12:59:31 <foosda> simply admin the times
  600. Dec 13 12:59:34 <Belthasar> hmm that would be a bummer
  601. Dec 13 12:59:39 <IsaV> well I dunno nothing about that
  602. Dec 13 12:59:48 <foosda> but lets see how this pans out
  603. Dec 13 12:59:56 <Eazinn> if we explained to him that we are thinking of switching to src if he doesnt cooporate then he would more then likely consider it
  604. Dec 13 13:00:02 <Belthasar> I don't really know why. He doesn't seem to have much interest in the community at this point anyway.
  605. Dec 13 13:00:02 <Eazinn> even tho that would be rude to him
  606. Dec 13 13:00:03 <foosda> also the meme categories keep being added
  607. Dec 13 13:00:06 <Eazinn> would probably work
  608. Dec 13 13:00:32 <foosda> but that's another issue
  609. Dec 13 13:00:33 <IsaV> <Eazinn> if we explained to him that we arethinking of switching to src if he doesnt cooporate thenhe would more then likely consider it
  610. Dec 13 13:00:40 <schmeman> I think certain categories should go from deertier to be honest
  611. Dec 13 13:00:41 <foosda> sick blackmail
  612. Dec 13 13:00:42 <foosda> haha
  613. Dec 13 13:00:47 <Belthasar> I don't really have an issue with "meme categories" but there's probably a better way to organize them.
  614. Dec 13 13:00:54 <IsaV> this sounds like an ultimatum threat blackmail whatever
  615. Dec 13 13:00:57 <Eazinn> thanks i put alot of effort into that
  616. Dec 13 13:01:04 <Eazinn> lol i mean obviously dont word it like that
  617. Dec 13 13:01:15 <Eazinn> but this the general idea that people are thinking of switching
  618. Dec 13 13:01:24 <Eazinn> and getting more admins would probably change that
  619. Dec 13 13:01:40 <Eazinn> i dont mean blackmail him lol sorry
  620. Dec 13 13:01:41 <foosda> I can understand that addressing the problems with deertier is likely more palatable than switching
  621. Dec 13 13:01:59 <foosda> I only have reservations as to whether or not landmaster will accept the propsal
  622. Dec 13 13:02:02 <foosda> proposal
  623. Dec 13 13:02:12 <Belthasar> sounds fair
  624. Dec 13 13:02:14 <foosda> simply because of what he has said in the past
  625. Dec 13 13:02:34 <total> Well, hopefully we can sort something out with him, it'd be the best solution by far
  626. Dec 13 13:02:46 <WildAnaconda69> ^
  627. Dec 13 13:02:58 <ivan> id be really surprised if he gave anyone access to the code
  628. Dec 13 13:03:04 <ivan> ultimatum or not
  629. Dec 13 13:03:07 <foosda> ^
  630. Dec 13 13:03:12 <Eazinn> dang really?
  631. Dec 13 13:03:14 <total> I just don't see why he wouldn't, it's not like it's a trade secret
  632. Dec 13 13:03:15 <Charles_Black> why?
  633. Dec 13 13:03:20 <total> I could make a copy of that site in a day
  634. Dec 13 13:03:33 <Eazinn> why doesnt he trust more people =/
  635. Dec 13 13:03:40 <Elminster> so much for all the hard work put into deertier
  636. Dec 13 13:03:43 <Elminster> total could recreate it in a day
  637. Dec 13 13:04:05 <total> No but really, it's a site that lists tabular data, it's not especially hard to do
  638. Dec 13 13:04:07 <Pasky> a leaderboard isn't difficult to implement
  639. Dec 13 13:04:15 <Eazinn> because recreating something is just has hard as making something to begin with
  640. Dec 13 13:04:17 <Eazinn> 10/10
  641. Dec 13 13:04:18 <Belthasar> Even with out access to the code at least being able to modify the categories and front page (plus a resource page) would be a big help
  642. Dec 13 13:04:34 <Elminster> another thing i'd like is profiles
  643. Dec 13 13:04:41 <total> The thing is, they way it's coded might not allow for categories to be dynamically added and removed
  644. Dec 13 13:04:43 <Belthasar> That could be neat
  645. Dec 13 13:04:43 <Elminster> being able to click on someone's name and see their times in other categories
  646. Dec 13 13:04:46 <total> they might be hardcoded somehow
  647. Dec 13 13:04:52 <Pasky> ya I want a bio on all SM players, favorite foods, favorite colors
  648. Dec 13 13:04:56 <Pasky> waist size
  649. Dec 13 13:04:59 <foosda> yo
  650. Dec 13 13:05:02 <Elminster> yeah that too
  651. Dec 13 13:05:05 <foosda> that's my deepest desire
  652. Dec 13 13:05:06 <Charles_Black> reaction time too pasky
  653. Dec 13 13:05:07 <Belthasar> right. So I guess it would depend on how much work landmaster wants to do
  654. Dec 13 13:05:10 <Elminster> i have to know how to become a top player
  655. Dec 13 13:05:15 <Elminster> i need to know what foods they eat
  656. Dec 13 13:05:20 <Straevaras> I'm more or less caught up now
  657. Dec 13 13:05:21 <Straevaras> "
  658. Dec 13 13:05:21 <Straevaras> <total> I could make a copy "
  659. Dec 13 13:05:25 <Straevaras> Nice copypaste
  660. Dec 13 13:05:27 <Straevaras> FailFish
  661. Dec 13 13:05:31 <Straevaras> "Just don't make ED an admin else we have 800 new categories on deertier tomorrow"
  662. Dec 13 13:05:34 <Straevaras> I lol'd
  663. Dec 13 13:05:47 --- graviton_ is now known as graviton
  664. Dec 13 13:05:47 <schmeman> lol
  665. Dec 13 13:06:02 <foosda> yeah about that, as well
  666. Dec 13 13:06:12 <foosda> I'd be ok with combining all of those categories into one
  667. Dec 13 13:06:19 <foosda> 14% Not ice or speed
  668. Dec 13 13:06:21 <Straevaras> I wasn't sure how to feel about Croc RTA getting added to the board
  669. Dec 13 13:06:39 <foosda> and croc rta is also a joke, but again, outside of the scope of this discussion
  670. Dec 13 13:06:40 <Elminster> schmeman had an idea that your item branch could be added to 14% as a filterable variable
  671. Dec 13 13:06:45 <WildAnaconda69> nymx asked to have that added strae
  672. Dec 13 13:06:46 <schmeman> honestly, I don't think 14% speed should be its own category at this point
  673. Dec 13 13:06:52 <Belthasar> We just need a sub category called "Other shit" or something
  674. Dec 13 13:06:54 <Elminster> which could be done on src
  675. Dec 13 13:07:00 <foosda> well I too agree with that schmeman
  676. Dec 13 13:07:13 <IsaV> I would like a dropdown menu similar to the PAL one with MISC CATEGORIES which includes the meme shit
  677. Dec 13 13:07:19 <IsaV> So it exists but you dont have to look at it
  678. Dec 13 13:07:19 <Jack879> So low% going the way of PAL?
  679. Dec 13 13:07:36 <Belthasar> yeah something like that isa
  680. Dec 13 13:07:41 <ivan> i like u pasky
  681. Dec 13 13:07:53 <cfb> why do meme categories bother you
  682. Dec 13 13:07:56 <cfb> just dont click on them
  683. Dec 13 13:07:56 <cfb> ?
  684. Dec 13 13:08:00 <Overfiendvip> ?
  685. Dec 13 13:08:10 <Overfiendvip> I like you, bunny
  686. Dec 13 13:08:14 <Belthasar> Well they don't bother me.
  687. Dec 13 13:08:20 <WildAnaconda69> anyway im dipping out i trust you guys to work out these kinks :)
  688. Dec 13 13:08:25 <cfb> well whoever was complaining
  689. Dec 13 13:08:28 <schmeman> later anaconda
  690. Dec 13 13:08:28 <IsaV> cfb when you aren't an SM runner it gets confusing which of the 20 tabs is an actual category and which is some random crap
  691. Dec 13 13:08:30 <Belthasar> later wild
  692. Dec 13 13:08:39 <cfb> well
  693. Dec 13 13:08:41 <schmeman> like 14% x-ice for instance, should go
  694. Dec 13 13:08:42 <IsaV> But yeah they don't bother me personally much
  695. Dec 13 13:08:42 <WildAnaconda69> o/ <33
  696. Dec 13 13:08:48 <Belthasar> I agree it could be organized better is all
  697. Dec 13 13:08:56 <cfb> you click on a category and some have a ton of times
  698. Dec 13 13:08:56 <cfb> and some dont
  699. Dec 13 13:09:06 <IsaV> yes
  700. Dec 13 13:09:07 <Elminster> deertier doesn't explain what the categories are well enough
  701. Dec 13 13:09:18 <Elminster> short descriptions like what overfiend wrote for the wiki would help with that
  702. Dec 13 13:09:19 <schmeman> or at least all organized under one tab labeled low%
  703. Dec 13 13:09:37 <Elminster> but someone who's mildly interested in the game goes to the page and is like "what the fuck is low% x-ice and why is low% all bosses lower than that"
  704. Dec 13 13:09:38 <cfb> also if you aren't an sm runner and you are going to deertier
  705. Dec 13 13:09:44 <cfb> you're probably either going to look up any%
  706. Dec 13 13:09:54 <cfb> or whatever category the person you're watching is running
  707. Dec 13 13:09:59 <Elminster> also the game time leaderboard is shit and outdated and needs to go
  708. Dec 13 13:10:09 <Elminster> ppl aren't using it
  709. Dec 13 13:10:16 <Jack879> No.
  710. Dec 13 13:10:18 <Belthasar> Yeah game time could be added to real time
  711. Dec 13 13:10:21 <Belthasar> another column
  712. Dec 13 13:10:22 <schmeman> if we could filter by GT or RTA on deertier, that would be great, since GT could be added to every run
  713. Dec 13 13:10:24 <cfb> yeah lets get rid of the first :28
  714. Dec 13 13:10:26 <schmeman> yeah
  715. Dec 13 13:10:27 <cfb> who cares
  716. Dec 13 13:10:32 <Elminster> what schmeman said
  717. Dec 13 13:10:33 <Belthasar> Yeah I like that schmeman
  718. Dec 13 13:10:39 <schmeman> it's not going away cfb
  719. Dec 13 13:10:51 <cfb> yes it would?
  720. Dec 13 13:11:14 <Belthasar> It could be integrated into real time but that would change some things
  721. Dec 13 13:11:16 <schmeman> well, i mean it still exists, but what's the point of having it on deertier?
  722. Dec 13 13:11:21 <Elminster> it would go away if the leaderboard was properly updated
  723. Dec 13 13:11:21 <Belthasar> like being able to have more than one time
  724. Dec 13 13:11:26 <Jack879> Records are going to be overwritten or somehow the slower GT faster RTA will be placed next to slower RTA faster GT times by the same person.
  725. Dec 13 13:11:28 <schmeman> zoast got another 28
  726. Dec 13 13:11:31 <Elminster> ^
  727. Dec 13 13:11:35 <Elminster> with a faster real time
  728. Dec 13 13:11:37 <Elminster> it's obsolete
  729. Dec 13 13:11:37 <Elminster> lol
  730. Dec 13 13:11:44 <Belthasar> oh also thats true
  731. Dec 13 13:11:52 <Elminster> but what i'm saying is
  732. Dec 13 13:12:13 <Elminster> hardly anyone is bothering to update their times on that lb and no one runs to specifically optimize for game time
  733. Dec 13 13:12:27 <Elminster> its an afterthought and should be treated as such
  734. Dec 13 13:12:35 <schmeman> honestly don't understand why anyone gives a crap about gametime at all
  735. Dec 13 13:12:47 <Jack879> I like it.
  736. Dec 13 13:12:48 <Belthasar> Probably a hold over from older times
  737. Dec 13 13:12:51 <Midboss> anyone wanna give ma a tldr on this wall of text
  738. Dec 13 13:13:00 <Belthasar> before real time was used more
  739. Dec 13 13:13:11 <Jack879> "Please tell landmaster to make changes to DT" is the gist
  740. Dec 13 13:13:28 <schmeman> people thought, "he let's go to speedrun.com" other people though, "nah fuck that". People said, "let's make deertier better", now we're talking about that. Midboss
  741. Dec 13 13:13:46 <knox> midboss dude
  742. Dec 13 13:13:47 <Belthasar> That's a good summary
  743. Dec 13 13:14:03 <knox> you have to read some of these logs it's worth it
  744. Dec 13 13:14:27 <IsaV> yeah you have to read my joke
  745. Dec 13 13:14:27 <Midboss> this conversation is so long it scrolls up past where my irc client keeps stuff lol
  746. Dec 13 13:14:35 <IsaV> it's my crowning achievement please applaud
  747. Dec 13 13:14:51 <Midboss> if someone wants to drop me actual logs from the start il read it
  748. Dec 13 13:16:12 <Charles_Black> .log
  749. Dec 13 13:16:13 <Charles_Black> Kappa
  750. Dec 13 13:16:21 <Belthasar> 1 sec
  751. Dec 13 13:16:23 <cfb> The_forkies
  752. Dec 13 13:16:33 <Eazinn> .whalelove
  753. Dec 13 13:16:43 <Belthasar> http://pastebin.com/m98aAmt5
  754. Dec 13 13:16:51 <Midboss> ty
  755. Dec 13 13:17:00 <Belthasar> notepad almost had a stroke trying to open my sm log
  756. Dec 13 13:17:57 <Eazinn> nice pastebin
  757. Dec 13 13:18:05 <Eazinn> im famous yal
  758. Dec 13 13:19:00 <Belthasar> highlight:
  759. Dec 13 13:19:01 <Belthasar> [15:34] <IsaV> Just don't make ED an admin else we have 800 new categories on deertier tomorrow
  760. Dec 13 13:19:53 <Elminster> 14% x-grapple some major glitches
  761. Dec 13 13:19:55 <Charles_Black> can we add that as a quote to our topic
  762. Dec 13 13:20:04 <Elminster> some tas allowed
  763. Dec 13 13:20:09 <schmeman> lol
  764. Dec 13 13:20:15 <schmeman> some tas allowed lmao
  765. Dec 13 13:20:36 <Jack879> To be fair I don't have an issue with a lot more categories, only that it would be a mess if they were added as is.
  766. Dec 13 13:21:03 <Midboss> oh boy im at the part where cfb shows up, this should be good
  767. Dec 13 13:21:18 <cfb> thanks for the nickflash
  768. Dec 13 13:21:21 <cfb> it really helps me out
  769. Dec 13 13:21:21 <schmeman> i think the point of a leaderboard is for some competition... and then we have categories like x-ice where there's one time by ED that's almost 8 hours
  770. Dec 13 13:21:30 <Midboss> np i wanted you to know i think highly of you
  771. Dec 13 13:21:38 <cfb> i really appreciate it
  772. Dec 13 13:22:32 <schmeman> even categories like 12%
  773. Dec 13 13:22:38 <Jack879> How much competition?
  774. Dec 13 13:22:46 <Elminster> well at least strae has an ok x-ice some major glitches time
  775. Dec 13 13:23:03 <schmeman> yeah
  776. Dec 13 13:23:06 <Elminster> 12% is a good category
  777. Dec 13 13:23:14 <Elminster> it just only has 1 run because it's stupid hard
  778. Dec 13 13:23:14 * ChanServ sets quiet on Belthasar
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  780. Dec 13 13:23:20 <schmeman> it's cool and all
  781. Dec 13 13:23:23 <Overfiendvip> It has a semi-tutorial now.
  782. Dec 13 13:23:24 <Elminster> x-ice has one run because who fucking cares
  783. Dec 13 13:23:42 <schmeman> but i mean, how many of these categories need to still be on deertier
  784. Dec 13 13:23:52 <schmeman> they can be mentioned in the wiki
  785. Dec 13 13:23:55 <schmeman> like 100% GT is
  786. Dec 13 13:24:00 <Elminster> oh man
  787. Dec 13 13:24:03 <Elminster> i forgot about 100% gt
  788. Dec 13 13:24:05 <IsaV> "x-ice some major glitches but please keep the tas to a minimum" was a really cool category
  789. Dec 13 13:24:09 <IsaV> rip
  790. Dec 13 13:24:15 --- Belthasar has changed the topic to: Welcome to #Supermetroid! | Important Links: http://bombch.us/BdnM | Current Events: http://bombch.us/BdEg | Join Discord: https://discord.gg/0YGBQjr7GLbPtDeU | 14% x-grapple some major glitches
  791. Dec 13 13:24:16 <Elminster> yeah i think that's a good way to go
  792. Dec 13 13:24:28 <Overfiendvip> If anything was to be called something done as a joke, it was that (twocat and I's idea).
  793. Dec 13 13:24:34 <Overfiendvip> I like the concept though.
  794. Dec 13 13:25:12 <Overfiendvip> Also ED never really suggested any categories that didn't eventually end up on deertier. It's messy because 14% is messy.
  795. Dec 13 13:25:31 <IsaV> I want Any% Spacetime category again
  796. Dec 13 13:25:35 <IsaV> It was run for like 1 day
  797. Dec 13 13:25:36 <Elminster> what happens when 13% is found and it requires something so stupid no one wants to do it?
  798. Dec 13 13:25:47 <schmeman> separate 14% categories made sense when it was just ice and speed (and speed had a separate route)
  799. Dec 13 13:25:59 <schmeman> but now i'm not sure i'm convinced we need so many 14% categories
  800. Dec 13 13:26:03 <IsaV> Elminster 14% continues to exist and 13% is a new cat that nobody does
  801. Dec 13 13:26:04 <Elminster> yeah
  802. Dec 13 13:26:08 <IsaV> Like 0%/1% in fusion
  803. Dec 13 13:26:20 <Elminster> gross
  804. Dec 13 13:26:25 <schmeman> yeah gross
  805. Dec 13 13:26:33 <Elminster> but unavoidable i guess, i wouldn't want to see 14% grav-ice die
  806. Dec 13 13:26:38 <Elminster> that run is cool
  807. Dec 13 13:26:43 <schmeman> yeah
  808. Dec 13 13:26:52 <schmeman> honestly, i doubt 13% is possible non-tas
  809. Dec 13 13:27:36 <schmeman> and if it were, people would probably just claim the new "stupid hard glitch" to be a major glitch
  810. Dec 13 13:27:58 <cfb> lol
  811. Dec 13 13:28:38 <schmeman> but yeah someone mentioned crocomire rta
  812. Dec 13 13:28:50 <schmeman> i wanted spore spawn rta to gtfo and then crocomire rta shows up DansGame
  813. Dec 13 13:29:00 <schmeman> lol
  814. Dec 13 13:29:02 <Jack879> 14% will probably exist just like how other not-actually-low%s exist in other games.
  815. Dec 13 13:29:06 <Midboss> ssrta to gtfo, whats wrong with you
  816. Dec 13 13:29:12 <Straevaras> wow no love for spo spo
  817. Dec 13 13:29:14 <Midboss> the only thingi have to add to this conversation is can we add ssgt
  818. Dec 13 13:29:16 <schmeman> it's literally worst part of the game rta
  819. Dec 13 13:29:39 <Belthasar> I don't know it does skip ceres
  820. Dec 13 13:30:17 <schmeman> ssgt?
  821. Dec 13 13:30:23 <Elminster> spore spawn game time lol
  822. Dec 13 13:30:24 <Belthasar> ssrta I mean
  823. Dec 13 13:30:26 <Midboss> spore spawn game time
  824. Dec 13 13:30:29 <schmeman> oh lol
  825. Dec 13 13:30:33 <Midboss> i would like to add that please
  826. Dec 13 13:30:47 <Elminster> i would like to add new game+ any%
  827. Dec 13 13:30:49 <GuruOfLive> Now Live: http://www.twitch.tv/DbX :: (•ᴥ•) Learning Minish Cap any% speedrun: Up to Cave of Flames +.(｡◡‿◡)♪.+ﾟ♬✿ :: Game: The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
  828. Dec 13 13:30:49 <Elminster> from space time reset
  829. Dec 13 13:30:56 <Jack879> what about ice-shield only Suitless croc rta
  830. Dec 13 13:31:13 <Belthasar> Zoast was routing 200% (with space time) at one point
  831. Dec 13 13:31:22 <Belthasar> turned it was only like 180% though =\
  832. Dec 13 13:31:33 <Belthasar> I was bummed
  833. Dec 13 13:32:07 <Elminster> is that because you lose your missiles on ceres?
  834. Dec 13 13:32:26 <schmeman> you don't have to go to ceres though
  835. Dec 13 13:32:27 <Straevaras> So
  836. Dec 13 13:32:28 <Belthasar> I think it had to do with the major items not counting again?
  837. Dec 13 13:32:31 <Belthasar> Something like that
  838. Dec 13 13:32:32 <Elminster> oh right you don't
  839. Dec 13 13:32:36 <Overfiendvip> No, it's because there's 16 items that don't dupe.
  840. Dec 13 13:32:37 <Elminster> yeah major upgrades that's it
  841. Dec 13 13:32:40 <Straevaras> If the concensus is not to move scr
  842. Dec 13 13:32:43 <Straevaras> src whatever
  843. Dec 13 13:32:45 <Elminster> what items?
  844. Dec 13 13:32:51 <Straevaras> then make sure the page there gets removed
  845. Dec 13 13:32:54 <Straevaras> we don't need split times
  846. Dec 13 13:32:54 <Overfiendvip> Those in the main menu excluding reserves + Grapple/X
  847. Dec 13 13:33:09 <Belthasar> Well the page is in limbo anyway
  848. Dec 13 13:33:21 <Belthasar> We can probably get someon to remove it though
  849. Dec 13 13:33:26 <Straevaras> Fair, but I'd rather just be tidy
  850. Dec 13 13:33:33 <Straevaras> and remove chance of confusion
  851. Dec 13 13:33:34 <Belthasar> I think one of them is here actually
  852. Dec 13 13:33:45 <Belthasar> lighnat0r?
  853. Dec 13 13:33:50 <Lighnat0r> I am here, yeah
  854. Dec 13 13:33:54 <Belthasar> Hey
  855. Dec 13 13:34:02 <Belthasar> We have that sm leaderboard in limbo right now
  856. Dec 13 13:34:08 <Belthasar> I don't kno wif you can remove it or not?
  857. Dec 13 13:34:18 <Lighnat0r> sure thing
  858. Dec 13 13:34:20 <Belthasar> thanks
  859. Dec 13 13:34:40 <Belthasar> speedrun.com/deertier
  860. Dec 13 13:34:42 <schmeman> so someone needs to compose an email to landmaster
  861. Dec 13 13:34:53 <schmeman> and it can't be me because I'm too low level :P
  862. Dec 13 13:35:21 <Lighnat0r> done
  863. Dec 13 13:35:27 <Belthasar> thanks
  864. Dec 13 13:35:38 <Straevaras> What does said email need to say
  865. Dec 13 13:36:06 <Jack879> "Please give me admin powers"
  866. Dec 13 13:36:13 <Straevaras> That should work
  867. Dec 13 13:36:24 <Jack879> Don't forget a winkyface at the end
  868. Dec 13 13:36:35 <schmeman> we need more direct control over the site, addition of deanyd and crocomire to the main page, and...
  869. Dec 13 13:36:42 <Belthasar> I guess we need to know how much power he's willing to share or how much work he's willing to do to implement the updates we want.
  870. Dec 13 13:36:48 <schmeman> and by we i mean, one or two people
  871. Dec 13 13:37:16 <Jack879> Adding crocomi.re and deanyd to front page, and mention requests for more people with power to change code.
  872. Dec 13 13:37:17 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to zoast
  873. Dec 13 13:37:30 <Jack879> Or that yeah
  874. Dec 13 13:37:42 <schmeman> probably it'd be best to
  875. Dec 13 13:37:46 <schmeman> whoops
  876. Dec 13 13:38:44 <IsaV> honestly, IF landmaster says "Nah I dont want to give any of you goons admin" and people are bummed out about that, I'd rather move a new leaderboard to crocomire than to sr.com
  877. Dec 13 13:39:25 <Belthasar> I was actually thinking that isa
  878. Dec 13 13:39:47 <schmeman> probably it'd be best to talk to him explaining that people are concerned with the lack of control we have over the leaderboard itself, and see if he has any ideas for the problem, rather than demanding things straight away.
  879. Dec 13 13:39:55 <schmeman> basically let him know people are having issues or whatever
  880. Dec 13 13:39:59 <schmeman> because as far as I know
  881. Dec 13 13:40:09 <schmeman> he's in the dark that anybody is even talking about this stuff
  882. Dec 13 13:40:44 <Belthasar> That's a good idea
  883. Dec 13 13:41:03 <Belthasar> probably a better way to approach it.
  884. Dec 13 13:46:12 <Elminster> i don't see what's wrong with just blackmailing him
  885. Dec 13 13:46:32 <foosda> ^
  886. Dec 13 13:50:39 --- ChanServ gives voice to Axl
  887. Dec 13 13:50:40 <zoast> what's the problem with deertier?
  888. Dec 13 13:50:43 <zoast> is there one atm?
  889. Dec 13 13:51:00 <zoast> or you mean for future change someone needs admin?
  890. Dec 13 13:51:29 <zoast> i hate to be an ass
  891. Dec 13 13:51:41 <zoast> but i'm not moving from there
  892. Dec 13 13:51:46 <zoast> unless something goes downhill with it
  893. Dec 13 13:51:50 <schmeman> the main issues seem to be adding the wiki link to the front page, and easier control of deertier
  894. Dec 13 13:52:00 <schmeman> most people aren't interested in moving though zoast
  895. Dec 13 13:52:06 <schmeman> just in making deertier a little better
  896. Dec 13 13:52:21 <zoast> ok
  897. Dec 13 13:52:33 <zoast> landmaster has been pretty open to ideas
  898. Dec 13 13:52:35 <zoast> when he shows up
  899. Dec 13 13:52:44 <zoast> as far as i can tell
  900. Dec 13 13:52:52 <zoast> i don't see why it would be an issue
  901. Dec 13 13:53:05 <zoast> as long as it's somebody very trusted to be a webadmin
  902. Dec 13 13:54:02 <schmeman> i think the vote came to straevaras
  903. Dec 13 13:54:09 <schmeman> as a possibility
  904. Dec 13 13:54:14 <schmeman> which wouldn't be an issue
  905. Dec 13 13:54:23 <schmeman> assuming strae is cool with that
  906. Dec 13 13:54:24 <Belthasar> Well if he's willing to give code access it would probably be total
  907. Dec 13 13:54:40 <Belthasar> Doesn't seem like that's likely though
  908. Dec 13 13:54:40 <schmeman> or even total, yeah
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  919. Dec 13 17:28:36 <released> so what happened i'm much too lazy to read logs
  920. Dec 13 17:29:06 <Overfiendvip> Hello Joshua
  921. Dec 13 17:29:18 <Overfiendvip> Can you guess what happened
  922. Dec 13 17:30:14 <Axl> Spoiler: www.speedrun.com/deertier
  923. Dec 13 17:33:51 <GuruOfLive> Now Live: http://www.twitch.tv/twocat :: Super Metroid any% :: Game: Super Metroid
  924. Dec 13 17:36:19 <released> so stayin with dt okay
  925. Dec 13 17:36:32 <Overfiendvip> That's right Joshua, nothing happened
  926. Dec 13 17:38:58 <Midboss> what i got from it
  927. Dec 13 17:39:08 <Midboss> people want access to dt to change things
  928. Dec 13 17:39:13 <Midboss> still not sure what they wanted to change
  929. Dec 13 17:39:17 <Midboss> but they sure were mad
  930. Dec 13 17:42:31 <Twocat> killing one of the best lb pages for no reason 👌👌👌
  931. Dec 13 18:09:03 <GuruOfLive> Now Live: http://www.twitch.tv/oatsngoats :: Super Metroid: Glitched Any% :: Game: Super Metroid
  932. Dec 13 18:27:58 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to just_defend
  933. Dec 13 18:33:05 Update Checker plugin unloaded
  934. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 13 18:33:05 2015
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