[14:47] <+RaCio> Raging will get the tf2 community to css level ez
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[14:47] <@shifty-> not sure of the best way to attack it though, i mean too many teams are bound to etf2l in the lower divisions
[14:47] <@shifty-> even some div 2/3 teams
[14:47] <@Matt> ETF2L doesn't help the improvement of competitive players. Its all just shits and giggles teams so while competitive players retire and stop playing they aren't getting replaced by up and coming players.
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[14:48] <+K1ck-Mike> true
[14:48] <+baerbel`> why do you even want to make it bigger, it only attract retards
[14:48] <@shifty-> RaCio, maybe theres something that could be worked out along with ESL, not really sure where im going with this to be honest, just maybe at least some news posts
[14:48] <+xzr> moar numbers moar coverage moar shizzle
[14:49] <+RaCio> Like I said, more raging will get the tf2 community to css level ez
[14:49] <@zeroxl> we have dignitas\darn, so the biggest retard is already here
[14:49] <@shifty-> lol
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[14:49] <+Koeitje> thats good RaCio cause then we'd have more lans
[14:49] <+Koeitje> more money
[14:49] <+xzr> ur just butthurt because people are talking about leaving your precious league because of poor unlock rules/maps RaCio
[14:49] <+xzr> mature way to respond
[14:49] <+xzr> "qq moar"
[14:49] <+RaCio> I cant phantom why
[14:50] <+K1ck-Mike> :/
[14:50] <+RaCio> as long as people have fun its allright
[14:50] <+xzr> ;D
[14:50] <+RaCio> If you dont
[14:50] <+RaCio> to bad
[14:50] <@shifty-> just dont turn into a D2M
[14:50] <+K1ck-Mike> they're not going to have fun with those unlocks
[14:50] <+xzr> you really don't get it
[14:50] <@shifty-> theres a balance that needs to be met
[14:50] <+xzr> as a fucking head admin you should be thinking of media coverage and sponsors too
[14:51] <+K1ck-Mike> yeah
[14:51] <+K1ck-Mike> pain train
[14:51] <+K1ck-Mike> :D
[14:51] <+xzr> not just if ur div4 buddies are having fun wielding their fan
[14:51] <@AcidReniX> div1 was awesome last season. Couldn't really care if a few prem teams throw their toys out the pram because they didn't get their way
[14:51] <+xzr> landodger
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[14:51] <+Koeitje> mappool got worse AcidReniX
[14:51] <@AcidReniX> Oh?
[14:51] <@shifty-> i mostly agree with the maps, i just dont see the point of this bazillion, just seems to have been thrown in there really
[14:51] <@AcidReniX> Maps are maps
[14:51] <@shifty-> since warmfront is just coldfront
[14:52] <@shifty-> doesnt really matter
[14:52] <@AcidReniX> shouldn'#t really complain about them, just take it onboard and try and play it
[14:52] <@shifty-> been played enough
[14:52] <+K1ck-Mike> i agree with shifty :D
[14:52] <+K1ck-Mike> haven't actually ever played warmfront
[14:52] <@AcidReniX> There are maps i hate, but it's part of competitive, change something about a bit
[14:52] <@dignitas\Rebeli> Wondering if quakers play shitmaps ?
[14:59] <@Matt> You shouldn't have to permanently be learning something new
[14:59] <+K1ck-Mike> i think snakewater is better though, more fun
[14:59] <@shifty-> played bazillion a few times, not my cup of tea but i guess its something to take on board
[14:59] <+K1ck-Mike> its got an airshot middle
[14:59] <+K1ck-Mike> thats a  +
[14:59] <+xzr> do they add new weapons to quake or cs, noooooo
[14:59] <@AcidReniX> keeps the game fresh, exciting
[14:59] <@dignitas\darn> well tf2 is still trying to find a good set of maps
[14:59] <+xzr> go play public then AcidReniX
[14:59] <+xzr> fresh and exciting
[14:59] <@AcidReniX> If they didn't do unlocks and new maps, I would have probably quit tf2 by now. I couldn't imagine playing the same game over and over
[15:00] <@AcidReniX> I do play publics
[15:00] <@AcidReniX> but also competitive
[15:00] <+xzr> fml what a beautiful tf2 world it would be without u
[15:00] <@AcidReniX> ;p
[15:00] <+mafu> "I couldn't imagine playing the same game over and over" well as far as im concerned playing something competetively is pretty much playing the same game over and over
[15:00] <+ShoX|Work> I hope that the results of S9 reflect the teams that are willing to at least give new things a proper try
[15:00] <@bb\mvp> actually xzr, they do :)
[15:00] <@AcidReniX> etf2l barely allows any unlocks anyway. Yet for some reason they are so apparently game changing that teams want to leave the league
[15:01] <+mafu> well thats pretty much all that we can do at this poin? besides to accept those fucked up rules
[15:01] <+mafu> point*
[15:01] <@AcidReniX> what is fucked up about the rules though?
[15:01] <@AcidReniX> a few alternative weapons
[15:01] <@dignitas\darn> stop talking to arx
[15:01] <+mafu> yes.
[15:01] <+xzr> bb\mvp: last new weapon i saw added to cs was that eco round assault rifle whatever it is
[15:01] <@dignitas\darn> i think we have argued more than enuff
[15:01] <@pwr\Moose> ShoX|Work that's a very likely outcome if most of the top, top teams wont be there :D
[15:02] <@dignitas\darn> vanilla or no etf2l for us
[15:02] <@dignitas\darn> pretty fucking simple
[15:02] <@AcidReniX> bye!
[15:02] <@AcidReniX> :P
[15:02] <+xzr> and it was years ago
[15:02] <@bb\mvp> talking bout maps here xzr
[15:02] <+xzr> i wasnt talking about maps
[15:02] <+Mitsy> where's the new list of unlock ?
[15:02] <+RaCio> wait
[15:02] <+RaCio> wasnt vanilla about easier rulesets?
[15:02] <+RaCio> what changed? ;)
[15:02] <@dignitas\darn> vanilla or no etf2l for us
[15:02] <@AcidReniX> bye!
[15:02] <@dignitas\darn> i think we have argued more than enuff
[15:02] <@AcidReniX> :P
[15:02] <+ShoX|Work> As soon as the 'top' teams stop participating in ETf2L they'll soon stop being the top teams IMHO
[15:02] <+xzr> vanilla is fucking awesome
[15:03] <@AcidReniX> vanilla is very stale
[15:03] <+xzr> assembly games have always been the most enjoyable matches
[15:03] <+RaCio> i40 has more views
[15:03] <+RaCio> and more attention
[15:03] <@dignitas\darn> not really no
[15:03] <+xzr> does it now
[15:03] <+RaCio> did robin walker spec assembly? :p
[15:03] <+Bladey> are you talking about tf2 events or lan events at all
[15:03] <@dignitas\darn> iseries is only for people in uk
[15:03] <@dignitas\darn> it doesnt really get any coverage outside of uk
[15:03] <+Koeitje> assembly is way more important than iseries in the esports scene
[15:04] <+RaCio> to whom?
[15:04] <@AcidReniX> ^
[15:05] <@Matt> Really? There wasn't alot of international teams for CSS at wasm either was there? I thought of it more like iSeries is, which is that is is more of a national thing like Darn has said.
[15:05] <@AcidReniX> I have no idea where assembly even is. It was a month ago or something? Xzr's team did ok in it? that's about all I know
[15:05] <+Koeitje> assembly has TLO
[15:05] <+Koeitje> Huk
[15:05] <+Koeitje> etc
[15:05] <@dignitas\darn> Matt there wasnt a pro css tournament
[15:05] <@dignitas\darn> just a fun one
[15:05] <+Koeitje> morrow
[15:05] <@AcidReniX> so assembly is important to sc2 players
[15:05] <+Koeitje> sjow
[15:05] <@Matt> Ah
[15:05] <@Matt> That explains it
[15:06] <+Koeitje> sc2 means coverage
[15:06] <+Koeitje> get tf2 to stick out
[15:06] <@AcidReniX> and what happens then?
[15:06] <@AcidReniX> we will all be making a tf2 salary in a few years? ;p
[15:06] <+sickless> can we stop comparing sc2 and tf2
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[15:07] <+xzr> huk left the afterparty yelling "I FUCKING LOVE TEAM FORTRESS"
[15:07] <@AcidReniX> huk gonna pay us a wage? :P
[15:07] <+xzr> could be coz agron was buying him drinks all night
[15:07] <+xzr> not you I guess since ur quitting once we pound vanilla in
[15:07] <+xzr> OOOOH BUUURN
[15:07] <@AcidReniX> i'm not quitting.
[15:07] <+sickless> huk will play engineer and block cliffs with dispensers
[15:07] <@AcidReniX> Just will probably get bored quicker
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[15:08] <@AcidReniX> I'm not going to quit because a few unlocks are banned. I'm not a child lol
[15:08] <+xzr> yet you cry like a baby