Metokur vs Sargon and Louis on Definitions

Sargon: I agree with you on the social perception, but on the technical definition of terms, you're wrong.

Metokur: On the technical definition of 'cringey'?

Sargon: No, 'Individualist'.

Metokur: Okay, putting that aside, my main thing is that I was laughing at it-

Louis: That really was the point, yeah.


Metokur: You don't think that- You actually uttered the phrase 'A group of independent-minded Individualists', coming together with an enemy list, and a set amount of goals. You want to organize as a political group.

Sargon: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Metokur: So, that wouldn't be 'Collectivism'?

Sargon: No. Collectivism is the principle of putting the value of the group above the individual.

Metokur: Exactly. So, what I'm saying is: could I call myself a 'Liberalist' once we've established this, and go around telling people that- as an official 'Liberalist'- our party policy is gassing kikes?

Sargon: No. Obviously not.

Metokur: So I'd have to yield to the group's will?

Sargon: No, you would just be using the term incorrectly. It's like saying 'I'm a Fascist, but I don't want the government.'

Metokur: If a group is/has established norms that you have to follow, it would be a 'collective', would it not?

Louis: It would be a group. It wouldn't be 'Collectivist'. You're trying to combine the words, and that's not accurate.

Sargon: Jim, you can't play this word game. It just doesn't work. You're just using the terms incorrectly.

Metokur: Okay, so you're going to create a large group of individuals, that's not a 'collective', that's going to come together with a goal list and a political ideology-

Louis: No! It is a group!

Metokur: I said a 'group'. A "group of individuals, that's not a 'collective' ".

Sargon: Every group is made up of individuals. Not every group is made up of Individualists.

Metokur: You know what I'm saying.

Louis: No!

Sargon: No. I don't.

Metokur: Okay, Sargon. You're going to create a group of Individualists, okay?

Sargon: Yes.

Metokur: That's not a 'collective'?

Sargon: Why don't you define 'collective' for us. Maybe we've got a different definition.

Metokur: You're talking about two different things, right? So a 'Collectivist' is somebody that adheres to the group will, or the group will overrides their individual rights. So my individual rights an an individualist would be- what- free speech, free association?

Louis: Yes

Sargon: Yes

Metokur: So I can go out as a Liberalist and say "We want to gas the kikes"? You, as another Liberalist, couldn't say I'm wrong, because you would be using the group- (will/definition to do so?)

Sargon: That would definitely be going against the principles of Liberalism, yes.

Metokur: The principles set by who?


Sargon: It's like a Socialist saying "I'm for private property". You can say it, but that doesn't make you a Socialist. Things have definitions,and definitions do matter. I know what you're trying to do, but it just doesn't work.

Metokur: I think it works just fine. I find this funny. I know you don't see it as that, and you're going to set out as a 'group Individualist'.

Louis: You're just really being obtuse.