Zed chat log

Darrk - Yesterday at 22:53
just showing imperator somethign
and proving why your new change is stupid
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 22:55
What's the issue tho
all that needs to be done is remove the colour of the minister role and the minister colour code will be back
Darrk - Yesterday at 22:56
yezah
but security
because they can grant the role to anyone
and all admin roles
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 22:57
We talked about this a while ago tho, the ministers should all have had the highest perm from the start
Darrk - Yesterday at 22:57
Some dont want it
and you talked about that in the last meeting when we gave simple admin
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 22:58
What do you mean some don't want it?
It's an essential part of the hierarchy and being a minister to have the absolute say/perm for everything
this includes the ingame legate statuses as well
Darrk - Yesterday at 22:59
Some people dont want the admin permission in discord
yes or no?
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 22:59
once we can customise and have more kinds of them we were thinking about granting mods rights to accept applications for easier recruitment purposes as well
doesn't matter Darrk and noone has said no
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:00
Yeah you said a while back
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:01
Yus
there's no extra legate types yet tho
which is sad
But that will come eventually
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:03
quick question, if a minister says one thing. Say imperator about something releated to diplomacy and you said another thing. Would i listen to the minister who runs the department or the other minister?
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:04
The Minister that runs that relevant ministry has more of a say
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:04
cool
great
so that means all discord checks should be passed through quaken from now on then?
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:05
If the matter affects the entire org we come to consensuses as much as we can rather
and that we have also said
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:07
The bot still functions does it not?
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:08
It wont be able to do some of the planned features
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:08
What are those planned features
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:08
Planned features?
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:10
Ability to send ministers PMed based on the information, I am testing out some learning to increase it functions to be able to detect if any important announcements or information should be escalated to the appropriate minister
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:10
What planned features could possible require permissions to alter a ministers administrative rights?
or have rights above them
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:10
Lets go through this
because i dont feel you understand how any of this discord works
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:11
Go ahead, be ware that it's not about that
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:11
Firstly the ministers never had admin rights: Imp, you and recently Simple does
everything else is based upon two roles
the minister role
and then a special other role
the minister role has the manage role so they can manage peoples roles
the other role give them access to other commands once I feel that they should be able to access say the server ID which if shared could lead to MAJOR security incidents(edited)
By moving the minister role to the top
you have not just allowed them to give anyone the admin role
which if a minister went rouge (not saying they would)
they could instally remove every bit of security there is by having access to the permission to give the admin roles away
if a minister wants admin they can get the Discord Administrator role
this allows the true people who know what they are doing to be able to remove that role in an incident, say of a security compromised situation.
this gives a second layer and means that the three of us can act in the incident rather than how you set it up only allowing Imperator to do anything
the fact that they can give out roles also means they can change the hireachy, the dyno role was there for two reason
first was the plan of before
the second is two allow me or zed to be able to remove an admin role through a command
if someone can mange the roles they can manage the hireachy meaning they can stop that from happening
so basically
move back that role
if the minsiter wants admin the can get the Discord Administrator role
and stop fucking with a server that you did not set up
any questions?
damn this reminds me of the time back in TU
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:19
No questions, only a comment
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:20
If there is a security incident that is regarding a minister it's already at a level above you darrk, I can see the bot handling lower level perms
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:20
since all of this relies on a minister going bad, i don't see why it's needed. All minister issues should be dealt with by the ministerial council (the other ministers)
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:20
i have dealt with someone betraying the org before
in eve
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:20
This is not eve
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:20
Well this isn't the time for anectodes either. I have been aware of this potential issue from the start
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:21
We are building our own community
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:21
if i didnt turn on my phone, then the whole server would have been logged, leaked and deleted. there was 600 people kicked, nearly 100 channels deleted by the time i got on
if we dont have stuff to fix this before it can destroy the org
then there would be no stopping it if nobody was on
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:23
I think this should have been briefed beforehand before being implemented
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:23
yeah
maybe if zed can talk to me before having a temper tantrum then you might get to know why stuff gets impletemented
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:25
Don't get me wrong Darrk. I am not trying to screw with you but your fiddling with the server does raise concerns for me. Because there's a lot of things we do not need, and you are not asking if the next idea is a good idea before acting on it
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:25
Or you could inform me before you do
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:25
then you actively try to go against chain of command, ignoring me or working your way around
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:25
When i am the head of IT
apponted by quaken
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:25
I wasn't really tempered at all, i saw something that you did that should not be done and
Head of IT does not give you ownership of everything IT related
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:26
and you go behind my back to make a change to the IT infrastructure then its you who are breaking the chain of command
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:26
The org and what it contains is all under the ministers. As head of IT your job is to supervise and maintain
not change everything to your own liking or preferences(edited)
I am not breaking chain of command
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:27
i dont think that is for you to decide
because if i can remember correctly and i can
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:27
You can think what you want
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:27
then quaken is the minister in charge
no you
not*
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:28
but you are under the ministerial council
Since day one of this discord when the org was created
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:28
no i am under quaken
who is a part of the minsiteral council
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:29
@Darrk
read rule 4
in this server
It has been there since day 1
of this org
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:29
:middle_finger:
fuck that zed
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:30
A middle finger?
You are better than that mate
i have time after time been very clear
about the hierarchy
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:30
best discord can do :wink:
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:30
about the ministers being on the top
you are not being reasonable here
cool down and think man
As i said before
this is not me trying to be a dick to you
but you are actively ignoring the foundation of this org
the core principles of its hierarchy
what do i need to do to make you understand
that you can't have it your way always
but will need to respect what the ministers say
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:35
i respect the people who can actually trust that i know what i am doing, after basically setting up this entire server, setting up how every role works together
Here is what is going to happen, that role will be moved back because you still dont seem to understand how big you have just fucked up
Also, if you want any of the development of this new bot to go ahead than those roles need to be back because this could easily promote us even more than the auth system
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:39
Darrk, i like you, i really do. And i usually don't mind you utilising your skills to get things done. But what is happening is stuff being added or modified because you want it that way, not because there's a need for it or because it matches the community we strive to have. This is a social platform and we did say in the early days that it was enjoyable to have direct interactions with everyone, making everything a bot interaction is not part of that. It works to some extent but you are seriously overdoing it. I admire your skills but cool down for a sec and see if the next thing is actually a good idea.
The auth couple to the website and so on is a great idea that i endorse too. But i don't want a ton of chats locked away and hidden behind a bot interaction as we talked about with the other games for example
And i know i'm not alone with that
I know you know what you are doing, but it doesn't mean we have the same vision
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:41
There is no chats locked away
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:41
Trash is
other games were about to be
You know what i mean with it
Darrk - Yesterday at 23:41
trash will be fixed once the new plans come into affect
which i would have proposed tongiht if you hadnt started this shit
Zamaro de Metus - Yesterday at 23:42
Lets talk further tomorrow again
Imperator - Yesterday at 23:42
I agree, cool down for tonight and carry on tomorrow