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goomba's whataboutism on Putin

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  1. 3:13:00 PM@goombathere is no evidence of collusion, but there is plenty that they 'helped trump'
  2. 3:13:02 PM+SimpleJakSheenrolls: I decided to put you on ignore.
  3. 3:13:13 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: There is immense evidence of collusion.
  4. 3:13:21 PM@xsnlxIDGAF who he is, he apparently has been oblivious to mountains of evidence on Russian interference, that's all I need to know
  5. 3:13:35 PM@goombai think they helped trump with their internet trolling more than they helped hillary
  6. 3:13:42 PM+SimpleJakI think it's about 24 people in the Trump campaign who worked with Russia.
  7. 3:13:48 PM@goombai dont know if that was intentional
  8. 3:13:50 PM@xsnlxover 100 contacts
  9. 3:13:57 PM+SimpleJakxsnlx: Is it that many?
  10. 3:14:09 PM+SimpleJakThe last list I saw had ~24 names.
  11. 3:14:13 PM@xsnlxpassing highly sensitive polling data to the Russians
  12. 3:14:18 PM+SimpleJakI can only name like 7 off the top of my head.
  13. 3:14:41 PM@xsnlxlast I saw, it was 16 Trump people had over 100 contacts with Russians
  14. 3:14:47 PM+SimpleJakAt this point, if you don't think there's evidence of collusion, you have a good chance of being dishonest, with a small chance of being extremely uniformed.
  15. 3:15:01 PM+SimpleJakThose are the only two options.
  16. 3:15:07 PM@goombafudge, i think the russian trolls are probably paid ok
  17. 3:15:18 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: Oh, they weren't trolls.
  18. 3:15:23 PM+SimpleJakThey were members of GRU.
  19. 3:15:28 PM+SimpleJakThat's the Russian military.
  20. 3:15:35 PM@goombaSimpleJak, the military can troll
  21. 3:15:43 PM+SimpleJakOh, goomba, it wasn't trolling.
  22. 3:15:45 PM@goombawhy do you think they are mutually exclusive
  23. 3:15:49 PM+barabbas`it is not the amount that was spent that matters, it was how effective they were at targetting gullible conservatives in key areas.
  24. 3:15:51 PM+SimpleJakIt was a coordinated state disinformation campaign.
  25. 3:15:55 PM+SimpleJakWhich is a type of 4th generation warfare.
  26. 3:16:14 PM+SimpleJakIf you think it isn't warfare, you might still be in the 1940s.
  27. 3:16:23 PM@goombafudge, yeah i dunno, i guess its a stretch to say that all of it came to anything
  28. 3:16:28 PM+SimpleJakIt's a continuation of the Cold War.
  29. 3:16:30 PM@xsnlxand we can't know how much was funnelled into the U.S. under various PACs, like the NRA, for exmaple
  30. 3:16:31 PM+SimpleJakWe're back in a Cold War.
  31. 3:16:37 PM+barabbas`It didn't take much. Trump won the EC by 70K votes
  32. 3:17:08 PM+SimpleJakIt's interesting how naive people seem to be about disinformation warfare.
  33. 3:17:21 PM@xsnlxyeah, that's why they're so susceptible
  34. 3:17:25 PM+SimpleJakImagine you have your troops in some base and then I blow up a bridge that prevents them from joining a fight.
  35. 3:17:36 PM+SimpleJakThat would be pretty clearly an effective military attack, as I prevent your military from fighting.
  36. 3:17:51 PM+SimpleJakNow, let's say I merely propagandize their minds so they won't pick up their rifles and point them at Russians.
  37. 3:17:55 PM+SimpleJakThat's the same thing.
  38. 3:18:47 PM+SimpleJakNATO generals have described Russian efforts since 2014 as the 'best example of cyberwarfare in human history'.
  39. 3:19:14 PM@xsnlxright, "extensive and sophisticated"
  40. 3:19:17 PM@goombahuman history, where the cyber part has only been around for like 30 years now
  41. 3:19:23 PM@goombathats a really funny statement to make
  42. 3:19:27 PM@goombaare nato generals idiots
  43. 3:19:29 PM+SimpleJakIn the 1980s, there were times when the Russians had dedicated about 10,000 officers to disinformation.
  44. 3:19:33 PM+SimpleJakDo you know how much we had to counter that?
  45. 3:19:41 PM+SimpleJakAt one point, 7 volunteers at State.
  46. 3:19:57 PM+SimpleJakEven during the proper Cold War, the USA has never understood how effective disinformation is.
  47. 3:19:58 PM@goombai cant imagine anyone but an idiot making that statement
  48. 3:20:07 PM+SimpleJakAnd the Soviets/Russians have always understood how powerful it is.
  49. 3:20:12 PM+SimpleJakIt's a huge weakness in our system.
  50. 3:20:19 PM@xsnlxyup, and their key tactic is using assumed trust
  51. 3:20:22 PM@xsnlxlike the NRA
  52. 3:20:27 PM+barabbas`The KGB were experts at dissinformation and propganda. Putin began his career in the KGB.
  53. 3:20:34 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: It was cyberwarfare/disinformation.
  54. 3:20:43 PM+SimpleJakDisinformation campaigns extend into antiquity.
  55. 3:20:46 PM@goombaok SimpleJak
  56. 3:21:01 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: Is Putin a bad guy?
  57. 3:21:18 PM@goombaSimpleJak, he is probably mildly bad, yeah
  58. 3:21:27 PM+SimpleJakInteresting.
  59. 3:21:33 PM@xsnlxyou guys are going to be in for a wild ride in 2019
  60. 3:21:47 PM@xsnlxyou don't seem to see anything that's coming
  61. 3:21:50 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: He's stolen hundreds of billions form his own countrymen.
  62. 3:21:52 PM+SimpleJakIs that a serious crime?
  63. 3:22:12 PM@goombait is a matter for the russian courts
  64. 3:22:18 PM+SimpleJakHe's participated in false flag attacks against his own countrymen to cement his power, resulting in the deaths of at least hundreds.
  65. 3:22:19 PM@xsnlxlol
  66. 3:22:22 PM+SimpleJakIs that a serious crime?
  67. 3:22:41 PM+SimpleJakHe's authorized the assassination of targets on foreign sovereign territory.
  68. 3:22:48 PM+SimpleJakIs that for Russian courts, too?
  69. 3:22:59 PM+SimpleJakHe's authorized military attacks against NATO, the USA, and the EU.
  70. 3:23:03 PM+SimpleJakHow about that one.
  71. 3:23:09 PM@xsnlxRussia isn't a country, it's an organized crime consortium
  72. 3:23:13 PM+SimpleJakAgreed.
  73. 3:23:38 PM@xsnlxwow, you hate the U.S?
  74. 3:23:43 PM@goombawell is there an international crime court or what
  75. 3:23:52 PM@xsnlxwell, there you go
  76. 3:23:55 PM@goombasome of these things might be under their jurisdiction
  77. 3:24:02 PM@goombabut not the money part
  78. 3:24:05 PM@xsnlxno wonder you're rooting for the Rooskies
  79. 3:24:11 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: I didn't ask you about jurisdiction.
  80. 3:24:15 PM+SimpleJakThat was you whataboutism, remember.
  81. 3:24:22 PM@goombayou asked about crimes
  82. 3:24:27 PM+SimpleJakWhataboutism is a favorite Soviet/Russian propaganda tactic.
  83. 3:24:31 PM@goombai interpreted that as a legal crime
  84. 3:24:31 PM@xsnlxcoming from the guy that said there was no evidence of Russian meddling
  85. 3:24:37 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: I asked you if he's a bad guy.
  86. 3:24:43 PMⓘ Mabus set mode -l #debates
  87. 3:24:43 PMⓘ Raven`X set mode +l 56
  88. 3:24:47 PM@goombaOH, so they were related
  89. 3:24:48 PM+SimpleJakAnd you said he is "mildly bad".
  90. 3:24:54 PM+SimpleJakOne way to be a bad guy is to be guilty of serious crimes.
  91. 3:25:00 PM@xsnlxPutin is mildly bad?
  92. 3:25:01 PM+SimpleJakI then listen serious crimes he's guilty of.
  93. 3:25:08 PM+SimpleJakPutin deserves to be executed, goomba.
  94. 3:25:09 PM@xsnlxwow, compared to who, Stalin?
  95. 3:25:10 PM@goombaSimpleJak, i thought we had switched threads
  96. 3:25:13 PM+SimpleJakFor repeated crimes against humanity.
  97. 3:25:17 PM→ joseph has joined
  98. 3:25:17 PMⓘ Raven`X set mode +v joseph
  99. 3:25:18 PM+SimpleJakThat's what the evidence shows.
  100. 3:25:47 PM+SimpleJakHe's one of the most dangerous men on Earth who is destabizling the entire fucking human system.
  101. 3:25:47 PM@goombai mean didnt obama authorize the execution of targets on foreign sovigern territory
  102. 3:25:52 PM+SimpleJakWhat about Obama?
  103. 3:25:52 PM@goombais obama a bad guy?
  104. 3:26:08 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: Whataboutism is a Soviet/Russian propaganda tactic.
  105. 3:26:09 PM+SimpleJakSorry.
  106. 3:26:10 PM@goombadoes doing that at all make you a bad guy
  107. 3:26:15 PM+SimpleJakSorry.
  108. 3:26:17 PMⓘ Raven`X set mode +l 60
  109. 3:26:20 PM+josephCaveGuy: hey. I would have said 'hey' earlier, but there is some kind of weird throttle on when you can talk in a channel after joining. Some new channel mode of DALnet's I guess.
  110. 3:26:31 PM@goombaSimpleJak, you have become an incredibly dishonest person in these past few years
  111. 3:26:34 PM@goombaits not fun talking to you anymore
  112. 3:26:38 PM+SimpleJakInteresting perception.
  113. 3:26:46 PM+SimpleJakYou're ruining you reputation right now.
  114. 3:26:51 PM+SimpleJakAmong smart and ethical people.
  115. 3:26:56 PM@goombaSimpleJak, that ship has sailed buddy
  116. 3:27:03 PM+SimpleJakI asked you is Putin is a bad guy and you barely engage that topic.
  117. 3:27:04 PM@xsnlxhttps://i.redd.it/sq06pwxaq0c21.jpg
  118. 3:27:06 PM+josephIn the left corner, goomba; in the right, SimpleJak
  119. 3:27:10 PM+SimpleJakAnd then you chose to switch to Obama.
  120. 3:27:16 PM+SimpleJakAll smart people in this room understand what you did.
  121. 3:27:19 PM@goombaSimpleJak, you dont get to control the conversation
  122. 3:27:24 PM@goombai think thats why you are having a freakout right now
  123. 3:27:29 PM Ignoring goomba!*@*
  124. 3:27:31 PM+josephChanserv gets to control the conversation!
  125. 3:27:35 PM+SimpleJakgoomba: I put you on ignore.
  126. 3:28:02 PM+SimpleJakReason: Soviet/Russia whataboutism on Putin followed by ad hominem statements.
  127. 3:28:13 PM+SimpleJakThis is an excessive violation of conversational norms that produce good debates.
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