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  1. Preface: I am Snoonet network admin
  2. [2014-04-03 04:17:40] * Your hostmask: sid11863@snoonet/admin/Techman
  3. [2014-04-03 04:17:49] * Your user mode: +o
  4. [2014-04-03 04:17:49] * - Don't mess things up; we are all watching and will laugh at you
  5. [2014-04-03 04:17:49] * You are now a NetAdmin
  6. [2014-04-03 04:17:49] * Your user mode: +oWs
  7. [2014-04-03 04:17:49] * *** ANNOUNCEMENT: Techman used SWHOIS to set Techman's extra whois to 'knows a lot about IRC and SASL'
  8. [2014-04-03 04:17:49] * Your user mode: +WsoiIw
  9.  
  10. [2014-04-12 23:03:55] <redv> a poll for changes in the snoonet config
  11. [2014-04-12 23:04:15] <redv> I kind of want to add owner (. symbol), mode +q
  12. [2014-04-12 23:04:48] <flotwig> isn't it typically ~?
  13. [2014-04-12 23:04:52] <flotwig> and +a gives &?
  14. [2014-04-12 23:05:22] <redv> typically yes but clients like xchat, mIRC, irssi recognize the . symbol as owner
  15. [2014-04-12 23:05:25] <redv> (mode +q)
  16. [2014-04-12 23:05:36] <redv> for scripts etc
  17. [2014-04-12 23:05:46] <Techman> ~ is +q (owner)
  18. [2014-04-12 23:05:56] <redv> we can change it
  19. [2014-04-12 23:05:58] <Techman> & is +a (protect/admin)
  20. [2014-04-12 23:06:05] <redv> owner was first introduced by IRCx
  21. [2014-04-12 23:06:06] <Techman> Yes but why would you go out of the norm redv
  22. [2014-04-12 23:06:12] <redv> which is the IRC extended protocol
  23. [2014-04-12 23:06:19] <redv> the norm?
  24. [2014-04-12 23:06:24] <Techman> The norm is ~ for +q
  25. [2014-04-12 23:06:31] <redv> to you it is
  26. [2014-04-12 23:06:39] <redv> to people who've been on IRC A LOT longer, it's not
  27. [2014-04-12 23:06:40] <Techman> No, check every IRC network that has +q
  28. [2014-04-12 23:06:49] <Techman> they almost always have ~
  29. [2014-04-12 23:06:53] <redv> that's because they changed it from ~ to .
  30. [2014-04-12 23:06:56] <redv> I don't want ~.
  31. [2014-04-12 23:07:06] <redv> from . to ~*
  32. [2014-04-12 23:07:24] <flotwig> i don't think so, i don't think i've ever seen . except on one really small server
  33. [2014-04-12 23:07:32] <Techman> Yes
  34. [2014-04-12 23:07:36] <Techman> . is not the norm
  35. [2014-04-12 23:07:44] <Techman> I don't know why snoonet has to try to distance itself from the norm
  36. [2014-04-12 23:07:49] <Techman> when most clients look for ~
  37. [2014-04-12 23:08:36] <redv> I don't understand your comments sometimes
  38. [2014-04-12 23:08:37] <flotwig> "2 levels above op is called Owner, given the mode string designation +q, and is represented by the ASCII ~ (tilde)."
  39. [2014-04-12 23:08:43] <flotwig> http://xchatdata.net/Using/UserlistStatusIcons
  40. [2014-04-12 23:08:53] <redv> I don't see how, in any fucking way possible that snoonet tries to distance itself from 'the norm'
  41. [2014-04-12 23:09:22] <Techman> If you choose . as owner prefix that is distancing itself from the norm
  42. [2014-04-12 23:09:45] <Techman> Every single network I'm on that has owner is ~
  43. [2014-04-12 23:10:13] <redv> ~ looks retarded
  44. [2014-04-12 23:10:36] <Techman> No it doesn't
  45. [2014-04-12 23:10:42] <Techman> It is a tilde
  46. [2014-04-12 23:10:51] <redv> it looks retarded.
  47. [2014-04-12 23:10:53] <Techman> <~Techman> vs <.Techman>
  48. [2014-04-12 23:11:01] <Techman> which makes more sense?
  49. [2014-04-12 23:11:05] <flotwig> i think we should use a } to symbolize our uniquity
  50. [2014-04-12 23:11:07] <Techman> I'd choose the former
  51. [2014-04-12 23:11:11] <redv> it's not about 'making sense'
  52. [2014-04-12 23:11:22] <flotwig> can i quote you on that? :)
  53. [2014-04-12 23:11:24] <Techman> If we don't make sense how do you expect communities to use us?
  54. [2014-04-12 23:11:50] <redv> Techman: please fuck off.
  55. [2014-04-12 23:12:04] <Techman> I'm trying to tell you what makes sense irc wise
  56. [2014-04-12 23:12:11] <Techman> not something about "IRCx"
  57. [2014-04-12 23:13:24] <redv> whether it's a ~ or a . it doesn't affect any thing, it will have nothing to do with communities using us
  58. [2014-04-12 23:13:31] <redv> and this, this is why I said we need a poll
  59. [2014-04-12 23:13:32] <Techman> Yes it does
  60. [2014-04-12 23:13:43] <Techman> if we have owner support we need to make it make sense
  61. [2014-04-12 23:13:52] <Techman> Every IRC user I know thinks of owner as ~
  62. [2014-04-12 23:13:57] <Techman> No one except you has said it was .
  63. [2014-04-12 23:14:03] <flotwig> "hey forum what does . mean before a name" "i don't know, you must have a hipster server ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
  64. [2014-04-12 23:14:20] <flotwig> "hey forum what does ~ mean before a name" "owner, duh" "thanks"
  65. [2014-04-12 23:15:31] <flotwig> seriously though, i think a poll would be a good idea
  66. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> 7.1. OWNER (IRCX +q)
  67. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> The OWNER mode indicates that the user is an owner of a
  68. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> channel. Only a channel owner can give OWNER mode to another
  69. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> member of that channel, but any owner may remove OWNER mode
  70. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> from themselves.
  71. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> Clients in IRCX mode see owner nicknames with a '.' prefix
  72. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> and continue to see hosts with a '@' prefix (in results
  73. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> from NAMES, WHO, WHOIS and other commands which list
  74. [2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> nicknames).
  75. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> Note that HOST mode uses +o, which was "operator" mode in
  76. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> RFC1459. Syntax for these modes is the same as "operator"
  77. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> mode:
  78. [2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> MODE <channel> { + | - }q <nick>
  79. [2014-04-12 23:15:55] <flotwig> congratulations, you can read IRCx information
  80. [2014-04-12 23:16:03] <flotwig> that's never used that way in practice
  81. [2014-04-12 23:16:05] <flotwig> seriously though, i think a poll would be a good idea
  82. [2014-04-12 23:16:07] <redv> we are not IRCx, I know this. I just like the idea of owner being a .
  83. [2014-04-12 23:16:12] <flotwig> aight
  84. [2014-04-12 23:16:20] <flotwig> that's what a poll would be good for
  85. [2014-04-12 23:16:29] <flotwig> settling silly admin debates like this
  86. [2014-04-12 23:16:54] <flotwig> also like, maybe a suggestions box kind of thing
  87. [2014-04-12 23:17:11] <flotwig> there's no real forum for users to formally suggest features, so we should add a way to facilitate that
  88. [2014-04-12 23:17:33] <flotwig> see how we can further cater to the reddit/subreddit owner community
  89. [2014-04-12 23:18:26] <flotwig> what do you think?
  90. [2014-04-12 23:19:46] <Ego> I think, therefore I am.
  91. [2014-04-12 23:19:56] <flotwig> 2brite4me
  92. [2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:35 PM <@SaberUK> haha oh wow
  93. [2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:35 PM <@SaberUK> IRCX?
  94. [2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:36 PM <@SaberUK> Techman: ask them to name networks which actually implement this
  95. [2014-04-12 23:37:09] <Techman> ^ InspIRCd Developer
  96. [2014-04-12 23:44:53] <redv> I don't know what that's in reference to
  97. [2014-04-12 23:45:02] <redv> implement what?
  98. [2014-04-12 23:45:47] <redv> and IRCx was on irc.msn.com , in 1998
  99. [2014-04-12 23:46:06] <redv> why are you pasting things I talk about in this private channel?
  100. [2014-04-12 23:46:46] <flotwig> what do you guys think about implementing a suggestions box
  101. [2014-04-12 23:47:16] <redv> that's what I'd like, the post I have on snoonet.org asks them to post to the subreddit
  102. [2014-04-12 23:48:56] <flotwig> maybe do a memoserv thing too "Snoonet's still growing! If you have requests or suggestions for features, we'd love to hear them! Post in /r/snoonet with your idea!"
  103. [2014-04-12 23:49:03] <flotwig> where's the post?
  104. [2014-04-12 23:49:42] <redv> www.snoonet.org
  105. [2014-04-12 23:49:54] <flotwig> no shit lol
  106. [2014-04-12 23:49:57] <flotwig> i mean i don't see it
  107. [2014-04-12 23:50:11] <redv> Snoonet will be turning 2 on Apr 28!
  108. [2014-04-12 23:50:27] <flotwig> oh ok
  109. [2014-04-12 23:50:30] <flotwig> that mouse print
  110. [2014-04-12 23:52:10] <flotwig> you should add it to infoserv, so users see it when they connect
  111. [2014-04-12 23:52:34] <flotwig> i feel like there's a lot of input we miss out on because users feel like they can't communicate it over IRC and be taken seriously
  112. [2014-04-12 23:54:30] <redv> I've already suggested that
  113. [2014-04-12 23:54:47] <redv> I'm building a bot in php (cbx) that will be able to tie things from the site and the IRCd
  114. [2014-04-12 23:55:21] <redv> also keep logs of floods, etc, all useful information that can be accessed via a website
  115. [2014-04-12 23:56:00] <flotwig> go ahead and add it to infoserv then, i don't think anybody wouldn't be for that
  116. [2014-04-12 23:57:27] <redv> feel free
  117. [2014-04-12 23:57:43] <flotwig> i don't have sadmin anymore
  118. [2014-04-12 23:57:49] <flotwig> or oper
  119. [2014-04-12 23:59:50] * rdv kicked Techman (we'll let you know when you can rejoin this chan, if at all.)
  120.  
  121.  
  122. (Was SAJOINd by Paradox)
  123. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] → Joined channel #staff
  124. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Replaying up to 20 lines of pre-join history spanning up to 300 seconds
  125. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] <Paradox> !op
  126. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * ButtServ set +o Techman
  127. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Channel mode is +HPinst 20:300
  128. [2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Channel timestamp is 1335646564
  129. [2014-04-13 13:56:56] <Paradox> redv why are you kicking techman out?
  130. [2014-04-13 13:57:05] <Paradox> because he had a disagreement with you?
  131. [2014-04-13 13:57:21] <Paradox> he's very knowledgeable about IRC and particularly atheme and insp
  132. [2014-04-13 13:57:31] <Paradox> im not trying to be inflammatory
  133. [2014-04-13 13:57:34] <Paradox> i just wanna know the whole story
  134. [2014-04-13 13:57:43] <Paradox> and thats what i've been told by a few people, wanna hear all sides of the story though
  135. [2014-04-13 14:46:58] <neoinr> what's going on?
  136.  
  137.  
  138. [2014-04-16 20:51:09] * redv invited you to #staff
  139. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] → Joined channel #staff
  140. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] * Replaying up to 20 lines of pre-join history spanning up to 300 seconds
  141. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> Speaking of doxxing
  142. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> When did you want to swing by downtown and get burgers?
  143. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> Cause there's some game thing going on on champa in a few nights
  144. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> let me find the link
  145. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <BipolarBear0> Soon
  146. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> http://redd.it/236v80
  147. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> "Happening June 7, 2014 through July 26, 2014 every Thursday + Saturday from 6pm to 11pm, Champa Street, from the 16th Street Mall to 14th Street, will be transformed into an immersive street arcade."
  148. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] <BipolarBear0> Downtown Denver is a ways away for me
  149. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] * ButtServ set +o Techman
  150. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] * Channel mode is +HPinst 20:300
  151. [2014-04-16 20:51:18] * Channel timestamp is 1335646564
  152. [2014-04-16 20:51:25] <Techman> Hello
  153. [2014-04-16 20:51:27] <flotwig> aw
  154. [2014-04-16 20:51:35] <Techman> I was invited to join this channel
  155. [2014-04-16 20:51:43] <flotwig> wb :)
  156. [2014-04-16 20:53:25] <redv> wb
  157. [2014-04-16 20:53:55] <redv> you can oper
  158. [2014-04-16 20:54:01] <Techman> Okay
  159. [2014-04-16 20:54:13] <Techman> Why was I invited back before my week was up
  160. [2014-04-16 20:54:26] * Updating details, brb
  161. [2014-04-16 20:54:26] * Socket closed
  162.  
  163. Demoted to "Global Op" with no reason
  164. [2014-04-16 20:54:43] * Your user mode: +o
  165. [2014-04-16 20:54:43] * - Don't mess things up; we are all watching and will laugh at you
  166. [2014-04-16 20:54:43] * You are now a GlobalOp
  167. [2014-04-16 20:54:43] * Your user mode: +oWs
  168. [2014-04-16 20:54:44] * *** ANNOUNCEMENT: Techman used SWHOIS to set Techman's extra whois from 'is Snoonet Staff (sysop)' to 'knows a lot about IRC and SASL'
  169. [2014-04-16 20:54:44] * Your user mode: +WsoiIw
  170.  
  171. [2014-04-16 20:54:29] → Joined channel #staff
  172. [2014-04-16 20:54:29] * Channel mode is +HPinst 20:300
  173. [2014-04-16 20:54:29] * Channel timestamp is 1335646564
  174. [2014-04-16 20:54:29] * ButtServ set +o Techman
  175. [2014-04-16 20:55:15] <BipolarBear0> While you're rehashing shit, redv
  176. [2014-04-16 20:55:15] <Techman> Wait what
  177. [2014-04-16 20:55:21] <BipolarBear0> GlobOp still lacks SAMode
  178. [2014-04-16 20:55:29] <Techman> Yes why was I demoted
  179. [2014-04-16 20:55:37] <Techman> ...
  180. [2014-04-16 20:55:41] <BipolarBear0> Because assigned roles
  181. [2014-04-16 20:55:46] <BipolarBear0> Not everyone needs NetAdmin
  182. [2014-04-16 20:55:50] <Techman> sigh
  183. [2014-04-16 20:56:37] <BipolarBear0> I'm personally of the opinion that only server-runners should have netadmin
  184. [2014-04-16 20:56:49] <BipolarBear0> I just need some of the SAMode modules which are included in it
  185. [2014-04-16 20:56:59] <BipolarBear0> s/modules/whatever they're called
  186. [2014-04-16 20:57:04] <Techman> How am I supposed to manually relink servers if I am not a netadmin
  187. [2014-04-16 20:57:21] <BipolarBear0> Telekinesis?
  188. [2014-04-16 20:57:26] <Techman> Yes the sa modules are samode, sanick, sajoin, sapart, satopic
  189. [2014-04-16 20:57:55] <BipolarBear0> I know what they are
  190. [2014-04-16 20:58:14] <BipolarBear0> I just need them for the very frequent occurrence that a channel needs assistance or spammers are attacking the network
  191. [2014-04-16 20:58:27] <redv> globalop has link capabilities
  192. [2014-04-16 21:00:11] <redv> it's not really a demotion. it means I want the server operators to do what I need them to do
  193. [2014-04-16 21:00:39] <Techman> sigh
  194. [2014-04-16 21:00:50] <BipolarBear0> You've been demoted from Techman to AssistantTechman
  195. [2014-04-16 21:01:09] <Techman> ...
  196. [2014-04-16 21:01:37] <Techman> I think I'll just take another hiatus from Snoonet since I'm still really being demoted for no reason
  197. [2014-04-16 21:01:45] <Techman> I'll see you guys whenever I come back
  198. [2014-04-16 21:01:49] *
  199. [2014-04-16 21:01:49] * Socket closed
  200.  
  201. Truth is, rdv demoted me because I pissed him off. It had nothing to do with merit. This was a punishment because I "crossed" him by asking InspIRCd developers about IRCx. If it weren't for Paradox, he would have removed me from staff entirely out of pure anger. Those are his emotional intentions; what he may say now could be different.
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