<\\x> Aren't all countries fascist?
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<Howicus> \\x: No
* \\x was being silly.
<SigmaWP> L235: Prove it
<L235> Ok, sorry about that, I thought that was your opinion
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<L235> What is your opinion regarding capitalists and fascism?
<Howicus> L235: I believe SigmaWP was making some reference to Chile specifically re: fascism
<ponie> SigmaWp: "That's like asking what my opinions are with apples and apples"
<SigmaWP> Howicus is correct.
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<SigmaWP> L235: That's like asking what my opinions are with rectangles and squares
<SigmaWP> The answer is that not all rectangles are squares, though all squares are rectangles
<L235> So... all fascists are communists?
<Howicus> Fascism is a government system, yeah?
<L235> Yes, that's right
<wctaiwan> oh god I'm out of here
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<L235> You seem to have extreme dislike of both
<carly> I am chilean so what? Xd
<\\x> Poor wctaiwan.  We scared him.
<Allen2> Being a President of the United States is not a dangerous job?
<\\x> carly: Sigma is obsessed with capitalism
<Howicus> So it's not comparable to capitalism/socialism directly
<\\x> don't worry too much
<\\x> Wait, does that mean all communists are capitalists?
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<SigmaWP> [17:44:35] <Allen2> Being a President of the United States is not a dangerous job? <-- I don't know what anyone said after this because private property has done an excellent job at giving me reliable internet services
<SigmaWP>  to begin with fascism we need to look at the roughly similar movements emerging in the aftermath of WWI in Europe, which called themselves "fascist", then look at their characteristics to construct a general category of fascism
<SigmaWP> All of these movements were backed by big business, the petty-bourgeoisie, and more downtrodden sections of the proletariat, as well as significant support from the military apparatus
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<ponie> http://pastebin.com/sruQ5hch
<ponie> not much
<SigmaWP> They arose in their strongest forms as reactions to left-wing proletarian movements
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<SigmaWP> In Italy, fascism arose as a significant movement after the biennio rosso and the factory occupations in 1919-1921, by the bourgeoisie to beat back the rising socialists; in Germany, the KDP and SPD were making advances, but squandered themselves, giving room for the Nazis to grow; In Spain, fascism was in opposition to the Popular Front government; etc etc
<SigmaWP> So fascism is a reactionary movement opposed to the proletarian one largely composed of disaffected petty bourgeoisie and lumpenproletarians and supported by the big bourgeoisie as a cudgel, so to speak, against socialism
<SigmaWP> That's fascism as a movement; fascism in power, as a particular variant of the bourgeois state, has some features that flow from this
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<SigmaWP> I have bad internet.
<SigmaWP> I can paste slower
<\\x> You think if there weren't private property you would have better Internet?
<SigmaWP> I'll take that as a green light then
<SigmaWP> its extreme anti-labor practices; second of all is its ideological emphasis on national unity, class collaboration, etc., as a reaction to the class struggle emphasized by the proletariat; scapegoating as a means of unifying "the nation"; broad state autonomy and authoritarianism as a mechanism of forcibly suppressing class struggle and the establishment of a firmer bourgeois dictatorship
<SigmaWP> ok I'm done
<SigmaWP> L235: ^
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<Allen2> Use a secure connection.
<NotASpy> what benefits would a secure connection give ?
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