<20:06:48> "Ransu Asanari": THERA IS A STRONG INDEPENDENT WORMHOLE SYSTEM THAT DONT NEED NO STRUCTURES
<20:08:13> "[MND] Mirianna Yaken": Hello, Yodik, how's your Palatine?
<20:08:29> "Serg Sinist": Rus spy here
<20:08:30> "Yodik": I dont know
<20:08:38> "[MND] Mirianna Yaken": no rusrus in here for sure
<20:08:46> "Serg Sinist": k
<20:08:55> "[MND] Mirianna Yaken": rusrus cannot into eng that's a known fact, rite?
<20:09:05> "Serg Sinist": who knows
<20:09:16> "BUFF MY NINAZU <3": insanely good match
<20:09:30> "[NV] Hemi": worm pilot
<20:09:33> "[NV] Hemi": is great
<20:09:43> "[N0MEX] Seraph Essael": i cant turn off ts sounds
<20:09:44> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": https://soundcloud.com/tappits/all-we-do-is-win
*** End of chat history
<20:11:05> *** You are now talking in channel: "Wormhole Townhall 19:00"
<20:12:34> "Dietrich | Crapalot": Congrats LZHX on another AT win
<20:12:51> "NoobMan": https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wormhole-town-hall-saturday-aug-12th-19-00/12960?u=noobman
<20:14:25> "[NV] Hemi": more bears
<20:14:30> "!?Faxs are balanced!": ^ +
<20:14:38> "Capri Sun KraftFoods": you need both
<20:14:40> "[EMBR.] Keskora": more bears means more people to kill for the pvp entities
<20:14:41> "Listrentite": moon pablo
<20:14:46> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": The logistics of an industrial empire in wormhole space would be aids
<20:15:06> "[NV] Hemi": i'm all for more loot pinatas
<20:15:08> "[IRS]Keeperofthe7keys": no more aids than hauling stuff IN is.
<20:15:10> "lzhx | niya": Hi
<20:15:25> "!?Faxs are balanced!": gj dieing niya
<20:15:36> "lzhx | niya": (=
<20:19:31> "[IOS] Epigene": weee
<20:20:24> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": i have one
<20:20:27> "*Faxs are balanced": lokilokilokiloki
<20:20:42> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": welcome to LOKIS ONLINE
<20:21:05> "[NV] Eisu": tengu in a shield fit is op, proteus is 1k dps?
<20:21:18> "[BHS.]michaeltward": I think they are more geared to small gang active fits to are they not?
<20:21:41> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": Prot is still a dece hunter/killer
<20:21:50> "[NV] Eisu": you make it huge dps for grinding down big targets
<20:21:56> "[IRS]Jadiii": ^ the prot hunter fit was pretty good
<20:21:57> "[NV] Eisu": that's what the prot does  or small gang
<20:22:07> "[NV] Eisu": 400?
<20:22:08> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": big money dps
<20:22:16> "[NV] Eisu": that's 600 short of what it can get
<20:22:18> "[IOS] Epigene": anyone have kb stats for these?  has use for T3C in WH space gone up or down?
<20:22:22> "[CANDY] Nair": i have a 800 dps prot so that cant be hard
<20:22:37> "[PNS] Def_Monk": agreed. cloaky hunter fit is pretty decent. maybe 5-10% worse than the legion, but 20km scram and web. seems a fair trade to me.
<20:22:44> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": Seems about the same to me tbh. Loki/Legion both still work for mainline doctrine ship
<20:23:02> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": 2 MID LEGIONS ARE THE FUTURE!
<20:23:06> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": PRAISE CHESTER
<20:23:08> "LZHX | Zachary Genovese": ^
<20:23:10> "LZHX | Zachary Genovese": +
<20:23:20> "[NV] Eisu": versatility just has a higher opportunity cost now
<20:23:37> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": ^
<20:23:55> "Serg Sinist": T3 logi are interesting
<20:24:06> "[NV] Eisu": it's not so much restrictive as that you can't do it all any more with one hull
<20:24:24> "[NV] Eisu": now you hafta either be a tackle prot or a 900+dps one
<20:24:25> "[IOS] Epigene": I think there is also an issue for solo / microgang (2-3) roams.  Cant have tank / DPS / low sig
<20:24:43> "[NV] Hemi": what is the resist and ehp on the dps prot?
<20:25:08> "[IRS]Jadiii": uhh
<20:25:52> "[NV] Eisu": here ya go buddy, made that while we were talking about how bad it was
<20:25:53> "[NV] Eisu": http://i.imgur.com/XW1oOsH.png
<20:25:54> "[PNS] Def_Monk": 52k ehp. resists 77 77 85 68. ancil armor rep. cloaky fit
<20:26:39> "[NV] Eisu": loki does now what the legion used to, kinda
<20:26:52> "D1382": loki has been shit on for sooooo long its nice its finally seeing the light of day
<20:29:01> "[PNS] Def_Monk": aparently i need to fuck with loki fits more. i only set up cloaky fits to replace my old prot, so i was fairly disappointed with it
<20:29:18> "[NV] Eisu": it's like there's an opportunity cost now
<20:29:22> "[NV] Eisu": one that matters
<20:29:24> "Serg Sinist": Loki is good and cheap
<20:29:27> "!?Faxs are balanced!": :thinking:
<20:29:41> "[IRS]Jadiii": I do miss 100mn tengu options
<20:29:51> "[IRS]Jadiii": that kinda went full trash
<20:34:23> "LZHX | 6ᴗ6": give me back my heavy armor arti loki
<20:34:39> "[NV] Boris Kurova": ssc 2015
<20:35:42> "Zono": Lokis are broken.
<20:36:00> "[NV] Hemi": rip alpha lead vagabonds
<20:36:01> "Jak'at": nanohac vaga ftw
<20:36:11> "Zono": i was flying lokis for a 3 weeks nomad like solo, they are freaking too good :lol:
<20:36:13> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": RIP vaga/cynabal fleets
<20:36:15> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": RR LAZER VAGAS
<20:36:22> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": PL dank AT Fits
<20:36:23> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": Thanks RLMLjeebus
<20:36:40> "[IRS]Jadiii": that's HAC's fault, not T3's fault so much
<20:36:41> "!?Faxs are balanced!": PRICE?!?!
<20:36:48> "[NV] Boris Kurova": Steel, can you read me my bedtime story?
<20:37:07> "LZHX | Xeraos": https://comfy.moe/mcscun.png did someone say arty vag
<20:37:36> "Zono": wtf is munin
<20:37:38> "[NV] Eisu": soph you shut your whore mouth
<20:37:46> "[NV] Eisu": the munion is beautiful.
<20:37:48> "[NV] Hemi": leave soph alone
<20:38:01> "lzhx | niya": i love this meme xeraos
<20:38:16> "LZHX | Xeraos": thankyou
<20:38:19> "[NV] Eisu": cerbs and for awhile, ishtars
<20:39:25> "Conci": sacs rule low class space
<20:39:50> "[NV] Hemi": ask boris about his fight against wormbro sacs
<20:40:00> "[NV] Boris Kurova": fuck off
<20:40:10> "Timoxa": boris logged in?
<20:40:16> "[FI.RE] Mantonio Terrorwing": _ham sacs_
<20:40:25> "[N0MEX] Seraph": buffer Sac with rlml in a wolf rayet with logi...its a beast
<20:40:49> "[NV] Boris Kurova": or just take a loki because it gets a rlml bonus now
<20:41:00> "[NV] Hemi": does it?
<20:41:05> "[NV] Boris Kurova": y
<20:41:06> "[IRS]Jadiii": cuz poor
<20:41:09> "[IRS]Jadiii": + SP
<20:41:11> "LZHX | Enderas Huunuras": price, sp
<20:41:12> "[NV] Eisu": sp or isk poor
<20:41:20> "[GETIN] Samof Rome": SP/ISK
<20:41:53> "[MND] Mirianna Yaken": Vydra won Tuskers with sacris!
<20:41:56> "!I'm a strong, independent FAX": "didn't have the alts to get the isk to replace"  so cost balances?
<20:41:59> "[MND] Mirianna Yaken": ascris ftw
<20:42:31> "Conci": bring back ecmgus!
<20:42:51> "D1382": loki went from #4 to #1
<20:42:53> "[NV] Eisu": I think it's strong solely cus it's versatile
<20:43:17> "[NV] Eisu": we all thought it was going to damnations online from legions online before we saw loki stats
<20:43:23> "D1382": command ships used to be too SP intensive.  now the leadership skills are not needed
<20:43:36> "D1382": i think command ships are more accessable
<20:43:43> "LZHX l Replika": so much hate towards damnations tho
<20:43:47> "LZHX | Face": ya those alpha tornados were real effective
<20:43:51> "NoobMan": lol rep
<20:43:52> "LZHX l Replika": its been only a year since i've implemented them
<20:43:57> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": rip nandos
<20:44:00> "LZHX l Replika": show some love
<20:44:17> "lzhx | niya": did you enjoy your sensitivity training steel
<20:44:20> "[NV] Eisu": all 4 of the t3s got better at pve
<20:44:53> "Conci": give wspace moons!
<20:45:10> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": i have a sugestion for that, im gona mention it when i get the time
<20:45:12> "LZHX l Replika": give every sig/anom automatic 4 day despawn timer PLEASE
<20:45:38> "Conci": cloaky+nulli C3 tengus are the bomb
<20:45:50> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": @niya we figured since mcav wont fight you we would fight you for them
<20:45:51> "[IRS] Steel Roamer":
<20:47:19> "[IOS] Epigene": Have people moved from T3Cs to Stratios?
<20:47:26> "[IRS]Jadiii": no
<20:47:31> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": No
<20:47:32> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": opposite
<20:47:34> "[IRS]Jadiii": the reverse
<20:47:34> "[IRS]Jadiii": yeah
<20:47:34> "[IRS]Jadiii": yeah
<20:47:42> "LZHX l Replika": 1 tengu > 2 strats
<20:47:43> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": T3's are better in every way now
<20:47:54> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": Active rep bonused neut cloaky ham legions now
<20:47:58> "[NV] Eisu": t3cs are great cloaky hunters
<20:47:59> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": among other things
<20:48:01> "John Rhodes": There is Bug on test Server. in new scan release
<20:48:19> "[H1NT] D1382": +1 on bubble dragging
<20:48:27> "[IVY] Tonk Omnom": ^
<20:48:34> "[PNS] Def_Monk": ctrl+scroll wheel. was always superior anyway
<20:48:35> "Zono": sometimes when i scan and i try to scoop the probes in warp my client closes :lol:
<20:48:43> "[H1NT] D1382": ill try ctrl and wheel
<20:48:44> "[NV] Eisu": what he's saying right now + 999
<20:48:51> "John Rhodes": If u tab out while scanning the Box with Arrows dissappear and u need to resize probes to get it to refocus
<20:48:52> "ksig cook": i thought this was a pubg meetup?
<20:49:04> "[H1NT] D1382": lol cook
<20:49:07> "Zono": anyone up to pubg?
<20:49:07> "[PUBG] Meme": you too?
<20:49:15> "ksig cook": isnt that what hk comms are used for now?
<20:49:19> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": upp for pubg later
<20:49:31> "Selene Divine": fpp only
<20:49:55> "Zono": Isnt HK trying to take over the Prison as a farmhole in PubG?
<20:50:13> "BUFF MY NINAZU <3": all about shanq spot
<20:50:44> "Ransu Asanari": EBR-115365 - Scanning Interface - Clicking on a single signature doesn't make all other signatures disappear while scanning
<20:50:47> "Ransu Asanari": Was closed
<20:50:52> "Ransu Asanari": Need to reopen
<20:50:57> "NoobMan": i'll link it
<20:51:29> "Ransu Asanari": EBR-116251 - DSCAN Interace - Graphical Glitch
<20:51:34> "[NV] Eisu": the null wh disappearing act is still going strong
<20:51:59> "NoobMan": got it
<20:52:19> "[H1NT] D1382": thats an old bug
<20:52:36> "[H1NT] D1382": i havnt had it happen in a long time though
<20:52:40> "LZHX | Face": its the best when it happens to your triage
<20:52:50> "[H1NT] D1382": used to get hole rollers close a hole and get put back at pos
<20:53:04> "[NV] Eisu": I took a freighter out a hs, got spat out at the outgate
<20:53:13> "[NV] Hemi": used to get hole rollers to return the ships to shared
<20:53:24> "[MND] Mirianna Yaken": btw, is showing all citadels in the system on your overview for a second rite after you jump is an intended?
<20:53:39> "LZHX | Anomilk": can we plz talk about how good LZHX are doing in AT?
<20:53:45> "[NV] Eisu": it is known
<20:53:47> "[NV] Eisu": we're proud
<20:53:57> "Timoxa": niya is AT feeder
<20:53:57> "Zono": What about the wormholes that you warp to and they aint there?
<20:54:16> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": thats HK taking the holes for their own use
<20:54:21> "Zono": lol
<20:54:30> "[NV] Eisu": spheregen 2.0?
<20:55:24> "Timoxa": https://zkillboard.com/kill/64027465/ can we discuss this killmail
<20:55:41> "Zono": lol
<20:55:43> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": no
<20:55:44> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": Can we talk about this one? https://zkillboard.com/kill/64021871/
<20:55:54> "!?Faxs are balanced!": lmao
<20:55:55> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": Love you Iks
<20:56:01> "[NV] Eisu": I'd love to see alliance bms
<20:56:11> "Zono": ^
<20:56:14> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": Alliance BMs are never going to be a thing
<20:56:16> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": Pls
<20:56:21> "Zono": why?
<20:56:21> "!?Faxs are balanced!": we can dream
<20:56:23> "Timoxa": Just pull an mcav
<20:56:24> "[NV] Eisu": or auto-expiring bms
<20:56:25> "Timoxa": and merge your corp
<20:56:25> "unimatrix0030": sig name in bm is not something i will use
<20:56:29> "[IRS]Keeperofthe7keys": ~legacy code
<20:56:30> "[NV] Eisu": or extra corp bms
<20:57:28> "!?Faxs are balanced!": https://zkillboard.com/kill/64027357/
<20:57:47> "[NV] Eisu": stop sharing shattered and non shattered site pools?  winwin
<20:57:48> "Ransu Asanari": EBR-126820 - Sleeper AI Targeting Drones Frequently
<20:57:53> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": ^^
<20:57:57> "[BHS.]michaeltward": TBH site spawn rate would do more than lifetime would it not?
<20:57:58> "[GETIN] Samof Rome": ^
<20:58:15> "[IRS]Keeperofthe7keys": spawn rate is tied to lifetime
<20:58:19> "[GETIN] Samof Rome": well, Ransu.... Not so much michealtward
<20:58:23> "[IRS]Keeperofthe7keys": site despawns, respawns elsewhere
<20:58:29> "Zono": "fewer sites" - owns whole c6 space :lol:
<20:59:02> "[NV] Eisu": shattered holes with fuckin'... 40 sites
<20:59:11> "Ransu Asanari": <3 Shattered Holes
<20:59:25> "Zono": Whats is the pool for c13 wormholes?
<20:59:31> "[NV] Eisu": hatred
<20:59:53> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": Making it rain
<21:00:46> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": can we eliminate killing drifters with citadels?
<21:00:54> "BUFF MY NINAZU <3": +
<21:00:55> "Zono": ^
<21:01:00> "John Rhodes": +
<21:01:11> "[NV] Eisu": the twins are revolting.  bbasap
<21:01:11> "[IOS] Epigene": or put escalations into C4, anything to make them "special"
<21:01:20> "Timoxa": so if we changed the lifetime and site despawn rates, would you just have the 4 day timer start as soon as the site spawns, instead of when someone activates warp to it?
<21:01:22> "Zono": ive seen recently a fortizar kill 4 drifters ...
<21:01:43> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": Tim, more like sites last for 1 day and then spawn in another hole
<21:01:50> "NoobMan": soon as it spawned
<21:01:51> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": so you have THAT DAY to run your sites
<21:01:57> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": or you miss out on the isk
<21:02:04> "Conci": another broken thing: some relic and data have trigger on hack. some sites don't trigger correctly. don't remember which
<21:02:28> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": Make site-rats scram= no jumpdrive use
<21:02:28> "Ransu Asanari": That's a thing yeah - log a bug for it
<21:02:42> "Grim952": Ghost sites?
<21:02:53> "Grim952": thats normal stuff
<21:02:55> "Selene Divine": mmm sites http://imgur.com/a/YZo39
<21:03:35> "Timoxa": i only have 2 sites selene activate yours you fuck
<21:04:03> "lzhx | niya": ban illegitimate berries
<21:04:08> "Yodik": https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296890122824187904/346021017606684683/Untitled.jpg
<21:04:15> "[IRS]Jadiii": 100km point range
<21:04:20> "[IRS]Jadiii": 15 points, not scram
<21:04:38> "!?Faxs are balanced!": yodik and is shatterd holes
<21:04:41> "John Rhodes": Drifter WHspace is not 500km point
<21:05:16> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": can we eliminate killing drifters with citadels?
<21:05:24> "Zono": ^
<21:05:50> "Zono": or make it immidietly take off 1 timer off citadel
<21:06:05> "Ransu Asanari": EBR-126820 - Sleeper AI Targeting Drones Frequently
<21:06:23> "Scott Dracov": aythign that screws over rattlesnakes is good
<21:07:12> "John Rhodes": Do they go after Gila's drones ?
<21:07:20> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": yes
<21:07:21> "[GETIN] Samof Rome": yes
<21:07:26> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": All drones
<21:07:29> "John Rhodes": ty
<21:07:37> "[H1NT] D1382": i lose pon average of 1 maybe 2 ogres persite between 2 ships
<21:07:52> "Zono": not enough tracking
<21:07:55> "Lauren Istlare": 1 word - bastion
<21:07:59> "Thor": they removed the option to refit
<21:08:08> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": kronos is shit
<21:08:16> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": marauders are too expensive compared to what they offer
<21:08:35> "[IRS]Jadiii": the bastion timer not being able to refit
<21:08:43> "Ransu Asanari": ^^^
<21:08:46> "[IRS]Jadiii": is it
<21:09:04> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": rattles are to cheap and that is null sec's fault
<21:09:14> "Ransu Asanari": Being addressed with the BS drop changes
<21:09:37> "Zono": lol
<21:09:42> "Zono": its like 20-30 s
<21:09:55> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": https://zkillboard.com/kill/56091295/
<21:10:00> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": this is why you dont use em
<21:10:24> "lzhx | niya": https://zkillboard.com/kill/64027465/
<21:10:33> "Timoxa": i already linked that niya
<21:10:36> "Timoxa": stop stealing my pie...
<21:10:42> "lzhx | niya": Pietaru
<21:10:44> "Zono": https://zkillboard.com/group/900/losses/w-space/
<21:10:52> "Zono": mostly dying from sites
<21:10:55> "Zono": not from ppl
<21:11:03> "[MND] Mirianna Yaken": https://zkillboard.com/kill/55108664/ !
<21:11:51> "Zono": https://zkillboard.com/kill/63958970/
<21:11:58> "Zono": Plate maruder farming
<21:12:05> "[NV] Boris Kurova": dont nerf my farm
<21:12:08> "[NV] Boris Kurova":
<21:12:19> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": https://zkillboard.com/kill/62282945/
<21:12:27> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": nerf the riskfree citadel ratting!
<21:12:30> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": https://zkillboard.com/kill/62282971/
<21:12:35> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": https://zkillboard.com/kill/62282989/
<21:13:24> "Zono": Make each drifter killed with citadel take off 1 timers
<21:14:54> "Zono": high APM lol
<21:15:23> "John Rhodes": U can do it with isboxer... but it looks like broadcasting...
<21:16:22> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": capitals need to be in space so they can be hunted!
<21:17:17> "Selene Divine": my poor rorq if drifters do more dps
<21:17:24> "NoobMan": lol
<21:17:28> "[NV] Boris Kurova": Poor selene
<21:17:31> "[NV] Boris Kurova": cant krab enough
<21:17:39> "Timoxa": dont you run in a pulsar selene
<21:17:47> "Timoxa": how is your rorq having trouble tanking drifters
<21:17:59> "Selene Divine": good ole vanilla, rent is to much in effects :p
<21:18:01> "Yodik": i can teach krabing on rorqual for just 10bill
<21:18:12> "Timoxa": oh, zelvig is the pulsar
<21:18:22> "[NV] Boris Kurova": y
<21:18:28> "[NV] Boris Kurova": I think
<21:19:02> "Selene Divine": plus need the high class static, can't stand connections to lowclass, logistics sucks
<21:20:00> "John Rhodes": But then u can kill escalation and let drifter be killed by citadel still ?
<21:20:08> "[IRS]Jadiii": LOL
<21:20:11> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": your dread will be tackled
<21:20:12> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": so no
<21:20:18> "[IRS]Jadiii": he said kill escalation
<21:20:20> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": unless you alight out and shoor
<21:20:22> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": you are right
<21:20:27> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": but at that point
<21:20:28> "[IRS]Jadiii": it honestly takes more type to down the avengers
<21:20:31> "[IRS]Jadiii": than it does the drifter
<21:20:38> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": youve alreadt comiited the dread to the site for 1-2 cycles
<21:20:39> "Yodik": rorqual krabing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEt7j4vP-vs
<21:20:43> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": which is the goal
<21:20:43> "[IRS]Jadiii": if you're killing the avengers with caps, you might as well shoot the drifter too
<21:20:47> "Herpaderp": it's great to screw pve players by popping the drifter don't take that away
<21:21:01> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": or you could actuallt go pvp them
<21:21:04> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": how come you hardly find any then?
<21:21:05> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": *actually
<21:21:14> "Timoxa": because its more risk and more still investment unimatrix
<21:21:22> "LZHX | Zachary Genovese": there arent more because people drink koolaid and dont theory craft themselves....
<21:21:32> "Timoxa": why train dreads and commit that when you can just inject a rattle with 4 injectors each and a 1.8b astra
<21:21:34> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": should a guy in a cheetah with a 125mm AC be able to kill a nestor fleet?
<21:21:41> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": he has no risk
<21:21:44> "[IRS] Steel Roamer": they have all risk
<21:21:52> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": citadel ratting needs to die
<21:22:00> "Herpaderp": right now, you can run sites in 2 groups: 1 rattels, wait for all to warp off pop the drifter, cloack up and watch where it goes and warp the dread there. No Avengers crap
<21:22:11> "[IOS] Epigene": if you make it a requirement, people go to Null
<21:22:31> "Timoxa": you werent going to catch them anyways
<21:22:33> "Timoxa": good riddance
<21:23:37> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": ratting is mind numbing
<21:23:48> "John Rhodes": Some ppl like pve
<21:23:53> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": scanning the chain is way more fun!
<21:23:56> "[NV] Catherine": lies
<21:24:15> "[NV] Catherine": people liking PvE is just stockholm syndrome
<21:24:23> "Herpaderp": CCP should pay us for living in WH space
<21:24:32> "Herpaderp": so we can concentrate on pew then on krab
<21:24:56> "Jak'at": just remove pve entirely. turn eve into a moba. /s
<21:25:11> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": how about we make the time to run a site longer? but still keep the isk/hour? more time to catch them?
<21:25:16> "John Rhodes": C5 is like 60%+ farm roles
<21:25:21> "John Rhodes": *holes
<21:25:33> "Herpaderp": ban astrahus guns?
<21:26:47> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": a dread pilot is not a new player
<21:26:51> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": TLDR, drifter despawn, fix site spawn/despawn rate, require cap for drifters, more actual scrams.
<21:27:06> "John Rhodes": Good summary
<21:27:08> "Herpaderp": The problem seems to be the Astrahus-Trap not the capitals, not the Drifter
<21:27:09> "[N0MEX] Seraph": Depends on if they skill injected
<21:28:33> "Sawyar Katelo": You still want to be able to defend your citadel against the Drifters...
<21:28:49> "John Rhodes": It would stop a lot of astra farming but I would rather kill avengers then align warp and let citadel kill like 10 drifters in 10mins
<21:29:31> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": Rhodes, you cant do that if the drifter is scraming you
<21:29:42> "John Rhodes": Align fire warp
<21:29:51> "John Rhodes": at end of site
<21:29:58> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": (make the drifter structure insta scram like the cits do when you shoot them)
<21:30:00> "Herpaderp": it is also content if you pop the drifter with a frigate
<21:30:01> "BUFF MY NINAZU <3": Write an angry letter to noobman
<21:30:04> "Selene Divine": bomber and ninja lootz
<21:30:29> "[IRS]Jadiii": that's a pretty good idea tbh
<21:30:51> "John Rhodes": Because Citadels Kill drifters so much faster
<21:31:09> "John Rhodes": with zero risk
<21:31:26> "[OMGGF] Romeo blacks": make drifters bounce green sites also
<21:31:28> "[OMGGF] Romeo blacks": or instead
<21:31:32> "John Rhodes": lol
<21:31:36> "[OMGGF] Romeo blacks": then yuo cant get a blob without dealing with them
<21:31:51> "John Rhodes": Thats a good idea
<21:31:52> "[OMGGF] Romeo blacks": you would get to a point where you would just be better killnig it
<21:31:53> "Herpaderp": that is actually nerfing krabbing not improving
<21:32:00> "Conci": moons
<21:32:05> "!?Faxs are balanced!": MOOOOOOOOOOOONSSSS
<21:32:06> "!?Faxs are balanced!":
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
<21:32:08> "John Rhodes": Drifters reinforce Escalation wave
<21:32:15> "Conci": give us mooooons
<21:32:21> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": easiest is still to remove the ability for citadels to shoot drifters
<21:32:52> "[PNS] Def_Monk": people dont live on planets in WH space. let us mine PI from the planets.
<21:34:06> "[OMGGF] Romeo blacks": yes
<21:34:09> "[OMGGF] Romeo blacks": just because yes
<21:34:10> "!?Faxs are balanced!": hnnnnnnnnng
<21:34:10> "420MM | Gram Schmidt": MUH DICK
<21:34:16> "!?Faxs are balanced!": make wspace great again
<21:34:24> "Conci": sleeper ships fapfap
<21:34:26> "[HRDKX] Ikslagor": MWGA
<21:34:31> "[GETIN] Samof Rome": How would we get the BPCs tho?
<21:34:41> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": Talocans
<21:34:51> "420MM | Timoxa": talocans and maybe the drifters coudl drop them as a rare spawn
<21:35:34> "Conci": that would require CCP to pick up the drifter storyline
<21:35:40> "Conci": cause right now, it's dead
<21:37:15> "!Faxs are balanced!": http://puu.sh/x8u1k/aa4e93fb53.png mmmmmm
<21:37:33> "!?Faxs are balanced!": :thinking:"
<21:38:15> "Herpaderp": let a a mining field tackle the rorq ... like the drifter structure the caps?
<21:38:35> "Conci": that would make c4s great again
<21:39:15> "420MM | Gram Schmidt": yodik my dude
<21:39:25> "[FCFTW] Tycho Loor": crickets
<21:39:33> "420MM | Gram Schmidt": S H A T T E R E D W E R M H O L E S
<21:39:49> "[POSPY] Semarus": sup Sam!
<21:40:01> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": i hear crickets
<21:40:03> "[GETIN] Samof Rome": hey Sem
<21:40:17> "[GETIN] Samof Rome": jiminy crickets, i hear crickets
<21:40:23> "420MM | Gram Schmidt": :thonking:
<21:40:30> "Conci": think about that *crickets*
<21:40:32> "LZHX l Replika": add ice belts to normal holes
<21:41:15> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": ice belts in normal holes would be cool but they should be very rare
<21:41:35> "[PNS] Def_Monk": just put ice in the moon mining compositions
<21:41:36> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": ice comet anomaly something
<21:41:42> "[PNS] Def_Monk": would make sense there would be ice on moons
<21:42:43> "Saang": and not cap capable
<21:43:18> "[H1NT] D1382": a quick drop structure that anchors in 1 hr has 4hr vuln window and 1 timer
<21:43:35> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": give the endurance a special probe launcher to scan down ice comets
<21:43:35> "[H1NT] D1382": 4hr vuln every 24 hrs
<21:43:36> "Saang": yea, I like that idea
<21:43:59> "[H1NT] D1382": give you basic astra services but supre easy to destroy
<21:44:12> "[H1NT] D1382": place to dock place to anchor and leave a few items
<21:44:42> "[H1NT] D1382": but you dont want to squirrel away too much cuz it can be killed at any vuln window
<21:44:52> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": don't only think about evictions also think about new corps coming into wh space
<21:44:59> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": for them a bil is a lot of isk
<21:45:10> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": not realy
<21:45:16> "Herpaderp": remove rep-functionality?
<21:45:20> "LZHX l Replika": another thing to make w-space life better, shorter session change timers for w-space only citadels
<21:45:27> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": i just moved in with 5 guys, paying a few bill upfront isnt to bad
<21:45:30> "LZHX l Replika": and multiple cloning facilities per citadel
<21:45:40> "[IRS]Jadiii": ^^^^^^^^^^
<21:45:43> "[IRS]Jadiii": suggested that the other day
<21:45:47> "[IRS]Keeperofthe7keys": pls^
<21:45:52> "[IRS]Jadiii": allow more than 1 clone bay per structure
<21:45:55> "lzhx | niya": aren't those called giant secure containers
<21:45:55> "420MM | Timoxa": then you can just drop 2 astrahuses and have 10 clones
<21:45:56> "John Rhodes": I think they said they legacy code with Clones per citadel
<21:45:59> "420MM | Timoxa": slaves, snakes, talismans, etc
<21:46:17> "[IRS]Jadiii": so I don't have to wait 8 secs to get out of my ship, pod over to another citadel, wait 8 seconds to get into my new implant set
<21:46:20> "[IRS]Jadiii": wait 8 seconds
<21:46:21> "[PNS] Def_Monk": when i started in WH space, 100m was a lot. saving up for a tower took weeks.
<21:46:25> "LZHX l Replika": problem isnt dropping many structure, problem is getting rid of useless astra's
<21:46:29> "[IRS]Jadiii": undock, pod back over to the other citadel
<21:46:36> "[IRS]Jadiii": wait 8 seconds
<21:46:41> "Herpaderp": if the time period is to short you not getting out pilot that got a normal work
<21:46:42> "[IRS]Jadiii": finally get into my ship
<21:46:42> "John Rhodes": @Replika exactly...
<21:47:11> "LZHX l Replika": you have no idea how much im triggered by astra's in our home
<21:47:28> "LZHX l Replika": i've wanted to remove em since eng complexes came out
<21:48:01> "!?Faxs are balanced!": http://i.imgur.com/eL7LxoS.gifv
<21:48:10> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": a stationary orca with tether
<21:48:14> "LZHX l Replika": make some drawback to multiple clone bays per citadel
<21:48:25> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": timers? ^^
<21:48:36> "LZHX l Replika": like having 2 clone bays would make each use x2 fuel
<21:48:42> "LZHX l Replika": 3 would make x3 and so on
<21:48:54> "LZHX l Replika": also max clone bays cap
<21:48:54> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": you also need room to put in a few ships, like rolling ships, scanning ships
<21:48:57> "LZHX l Replika": like astra x2
<21:48:59> "LZHX l Replika": fort x3
<21:49:00> "LZHX l Replika": ks x4
<21:49:01> "Lauren Istlare": self-destructing should break tether.
<21:49:25> "NoobMan": yes it should
<21:49:29> "NoobMan": i've asked
<21:49:29> "John Rhodes": Bubbles expire pretty quick now...
<21:49:35> "NoobMan": will ask again
<21:50:04> "[H1NT] D1382": but it should be very vulnerable
<21:50:40> "[H1NT] D1382": no reinforment timer
<21:50:49> "[H1NT] D1382": just a vuln window to kill it
<21:50:52> "[H1NT] D1382": every 24 hrs
<21:51:07> "[H1NT] D1382": like a freash baby astra
<21:51:17> "[CANDY] Nair": how about more volume too ?
<21:51:24> "[CANDY] Nair": since the set up faster they are bigger
<21:51:29> "John Rhodes": Only Anchorable in W-space... (if they can add that limit)
<21:51:49> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": would that be a problem if it takes 30-60 minutes to anchor?
<21:51:50> "[H1NT] D1382": all anyone should need is a place to dock and leave grid and to store some items and ships.  as well as to tether.
<21:52:19> "Thor": just have a anchor timer as long as current pos anchortime is?
<21:52:19> "[H1NT] D1382": go ahead and put a fuck ton of shit in it.  but it could be dead before tomorrow
<21:52:51> "[H1NT] D1382": anchor in 1 hr and chance to kill every 24hrs with no reinforcement
<21:53:18> "[PNS] Def_Monk": can't do NO reinforcement because of TZ differences. it's the whole reason why they exist in the first place
<21:53:59> "420MM | Gram Schmidt": x if pochinki
<21:54:08> "420MM | Timoxa": pochinki is shit
<21:54:10> "LZHX | Katniss Everdeen": x
<21:54:11> "420MM | Timoxa": school is for the boys...
<21:54:15> "420MM | Gram Schmidt": ur shit tim
<21:54:16> "LZHX | Katniss Everdeen": tim when are we gonna play pubg
<21:54:19> "[H1NT] D1382": yeah good point.  i just think it would suck as a defender if someone could drop something like this within an hour and not have mutiple ways to possibly deal with it quickly
<21:54:21> "420MM | Timoxa": u wanna play after this?
<21:54:24> "LZHX | Katniss Everdeen": yea dawg
<21:54:30> "420MM | Timoxa": first person only btw
<21:54:35> "LZHX | Katniss Everdeen": of course
<21:54:35> "420MM | Timoxa": none of that third person pussy shit
<21:54:42> "Selene Divine": ^
<21:59:16> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": frigate holes are fine, keep them
<21:59:21> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": bubble + scout on frig only hole ....
<21:59:24> "[IRS]Jadiii": they can be a ton of fun
<21:59:28> "Selene Divine": mwd on rorq, sb frigs
<21:59:28> "Ransu Asanari": They are rollable its fine be more autistic
<22:02:58> "[NV] Boris Kurova": what about 3200 battleships
<22:03:04> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": ^^^^
<22:03:06> "[NV] Boris Kurova": should those only fit 1 booster
<22:03:09> "Herpaderp": how to get them then in WH?
<22:03:12> "John Rhodes": U can't do anything to Cap charges... U woldn't be using BS 3200
<22:03:16> "Herpaderp": without a DST?
<22:03:24> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": still even a fax alone needs lots of people to kill them
<22:03:38> "[NV] Boris Kurova": it needs neuts and a dread
<22:03:51> "John Rhodes": Honestly I don't think u can touch Faxs without it having WH effects
<22:03:52> "[OWBR] SirLattwich": make cap booster over time and not instant
<22:04:11> "Herpaderp": after this then fuck also the balghorn ok? This is same effect for the armor hardeners
<22:04:18> "[IRS]Jadiii": nothing to do with booster size
<22:04:26> "[IRS]Jadiii": having boosters apply over time would be a good way to balance
<22:04:40> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": ^^
<22:04:41> "[IRS]Jadiii": it'd wreck shield pvp dreads though
<22:04:43> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": in low class dropping a fax mean you will need to batphone
<22:04:51> "John Rhodes": Can't you just adjust Rep/boost amount in Wormholes ? Like a complete wormhole effect
<22:04:52> "[BAIT] Redjon Gilead Aerten": I could fly a moros....
<22:04:54> "[IRS]Keeperofthe7keys": yeah it's damaging to other ships
<22:05:01> "[IRS]Jadiii": pvp nag
<22:05:05> "[IRS]Keeperofthe7keys": it might also just kill cap boosting fax
<22:05:07> "[IRS]Jadiii": that can no longer boost it's invuls
<22:05:30> "LZHX l Replika": cap booster 3200 give you 800 cap/s for 4 seconds?
<22:05:38> "John Rhodes": CCP won't touch 3200's for us...
<22:05:54> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": cap booster cycle time adjust seems the best solution still
<22:06:03> "LZHX l Replika": vs insta injecting 3200 cap/tick
<22:06:21> "John Rhodes": Can't FAX get a WH effect ?
<22:06:23> "Yodik": @NoobMan https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wormhole-town-hall-saturday-aug-12th-19-00/12960/23?u=yodik
<22:06:45> "NoobMan": i read it thanks
<22:06:51> "420MM | Gram Schmidt": kek
<22:08:04> "NoobMan": log off 3-6 dreads in their hole and punish them the next time they do it
<22:08:11> "John Rhodes": THey won't touch FAXs for wormholes... outside of a WH effect imho...
<22:08:40> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": that is not an option in low class space
<22:08:43> "John Rhodes": The effects ppl are talking about would have a massive effect outside of wormhole space
<22:09:06> "John Rhodes": Which means CCP wont do it
<22:11:34> "!?Faxs are balanced!": https://i.imgur.com/NsrHp23.mp4
<22:12:17> "John Rhodes": They would care massively if u mess with fax's
<22:13:22> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": TLDR wait and see
<22:13:32> "[IRS]Jadiii": ikr
<22:13:37> "[IRS]Jadiii": have to deal with it, all the time
<22:13:38> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": you guys realise that we are doing wait and see for more then a year?
<22:14:19> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": not engough kills in that time to have a good idea, means there is a larger problem
<22:14:22> "John Rhodes": Can we get a WH only Fax Nerf as a effect...?
<22:14:30> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": no
<22:14:42> "John Rhodes": CCP said no ? or its just not possible ?
<22:15:06> "[CANDY] Nair": active tank
<22:15:07> "[HID]Tsugumimi Sendo": they hate exceptions
<22:15:25> "[VFI]unimatrix0030": bait is a use for dst's, don't remove that!
<22:15:54> "John Rhodes": But we are talking about affecting whole game to suit Wh'ers... surely thats an exception in reverse... K-Space doesn't have these problems with faxs...
<22:16:17> "John Rhodes": We have problem because of mass limits