I use David Kaiser's brain map to inform treatment for both placements as
well as frequency.

Lisa Pendleton, MS, LMFT, EMDR Practitioner, Neurotherapy Practitioner
Neurofeedback Clinic of Northern Colorado
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*From:* ciarai2000@yahoo.com <ciarai2000@yahoo.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:48 PM
*To:* Lisa Pendleton
*Cc:* EEG Associates Neurofeedback Discussion List
*Subject:* Re: [EEG Associates] synchrony sites

Hi Lisa,
Do you use a client's history to determine front/back or bilateral
synchrony training, or do you rely on the  brain map to guide that decision?
Cheers,
Ciarai Gude, RN
Neurofeedback Practitioner
www.qanfb.com
206 778 9205

On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Lisa Pendleton <Lisa_M_Pendleton@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I have been doing synchrony training front/back and bilateral for over a
year. Most of my client's do not tolerate AFZ/Pz at 10 Hz. It can be VERY
disregulating.

Many people with early threat to self/trauma have weak connection in the
front to back in their brain.  (I see this speed differential in the brain
map.)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/04/242945454/
childhood-maltreatment-can-leave-scars-in-the-brain
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/04/242945454/childhood-maltreatment-can-leave-scars-in-the-brain>
Childhood Maltreatment Can Leave Scars In The Brain
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/04/242945454/childhood-maltreatment-can-leave-scars-in-the-brain>
www.npr.org
Brain scans may help people who were ill treated as children realize that
they process fear differently than others. They may have a harder time
realizing what's truly a threat and what's not. Researchers say that can
lead to increased risk of anxiety and depression.
I suggest dropping the synchrony setting to 8hz to start and moving to 10.


Lisa Pendleton, MS, LMFT, EMDR Practitioner, Neurotherapy Practitioner
Neurofeedback Clinic of Northern Colorado
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Wonderful!! Thank you Siegfried

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:48 AM, Siegfried Othmer <siegfried@eeginfo.com>
wrote:

> Whenever you select synchrony training, the Lissajous loop display becomes
> available as an option under the Measurements drop-down menu.
> If you’ve already opened the fractal display, you can just overlay the
> Lissajous loop somewhere on the screen and the client can linger there if
> the display appeals to him.
>
> Siegfried
>
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Neda Najmi <neda.najmi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Siegfried,
> Thank you for your clarification and your training experience. How do you
> look at the Lissajous loop display? I remember you mentioning it during the
> summit, however, I don't recall if its in the measurement window that I
> might be able to see that during synchrony training? You are always very
> concise and precise in your explanations and I appreciate that.
> ~Neda Najmi, MFT
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Siegfried Othmer <siegfried@eeginfo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> First of all, let’s use the plus sign when referring to the synchrony
>> protocols: P3 + P4 and Fp1 + Fp2, to minimize ambiguity.
>>
>> Word from our office is that the front-back training is generally
>> well-tolerated and well-liked. There are exceptions, of course. Some prefer
>> the training at 10 Hz, others at 40 Hz. Some prefer the bilateral training.
>> For the 40-Hz training, the gain may have to be increased on the
>> oscilloscope EEG display in order to deliver a decent-sized Lissajous loop.
>>
>> One should also be alert for the intrusion of muscle activity into the 40
>> Hz signal. It’s small in amplitude, and can therefore be contaminated more
>> readily by muscle activity from the reference off the scalp.
>>
>> When I had this problem during a session recently, the Lissajous loop
>> display allowed me to recognize it immediately. From watching it awhile I
>> had fairly firm expectations for what it should look like, and when it
>> deviated from that I knew that I was no longer looking at a good signal.
>>
>> Siegfried
>>
>>
>
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Neda Najmi <neda.najmi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just a continuation on this topic. Lately, I have been doing more
>> synchrony training with clients and I have tried both protocols. Most of my
>> patients are responding better to the inter hemispheric placements of P3-P4
>> and Fp1-Fp2. Only a couple responded slightly different with Pz+Fz site. I
>> ask the same question as Erlend, Whats been the experience so far for those
>> of you who have been training synchrony? Anything?
>> ~Neda Najmi, MFT
>>
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Erlend Solberg <erlend@bsbup.no> wrote:
>>
>>> Sue and others! What is your experience so far with Pz+Fz? Are there any
>>> new effects or is it simply just stronger? Is it usually well tolerated by
>>>  people?
>>> Erlend from Norway
>>>
>>
> Den tir. 9. aug. 2016, 23:09 skrev Susan Othmer <sue@eeginfo.com>:
>>>
>>>> We are using Pz+Fz for both 2 channel sum programs - AT and synchrony.
>>>> At this point we still need more experience to make any definitive
>>>> statements about what is better for whom.
>>>> Sue
>>>>
>>>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Jonibeth Whitney <JB_Whitney@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> Do we still use P3 and P4 for Synchrony or did that also change to Fz
>>>> and PZ like for Alpha Theta?  Thanks,  J.B. Whitney
>>>>
>>>> Jonibeth (J.B.) Whitney, Ph.D.
>>>> Clinical Psychologist PSY20238
>>>> 1328 Westwood Blvd. #24
>>>> Los Angeles, CA  90024
>>>> tel.  310.446.8870  fax  310.667.8542
>>>> www.jbwhitneyphd.com
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