The Lol Temple

[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
uh oh
[5:31am] <Gamma>
he stretches and it's just UGH
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
this probably isn't true
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
but
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
wat if
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
you know phantom ganon's room
[5:31am] <Gamma>
yeah
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
looks like the ToT roof
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
has a triforce in the sun on the floor
[5:31am] <Gamma>
wat
[5:31am] <Gamma>
pic
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
has stairs leading up to a round platform
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
has unused windows in the roof
[5:31am] <GlitterBerri>
k 1 sec
[5:32am] <Gamma>
:|
[5:32am] <GlitterBerri>
war if that was the original master sword room/ToT room
[5:32am] <GlitterBerri>
wat
[5:32am] <GlitterBerri>
IT"S HAPPENING AGAIN
[5:32am] <Gamma>
Confirmed: Nintendo has a fetish for round, platformed, windowed rooms
[5:32am] <GlitterBerri>
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/N64/LegendOfZelda-OcarinaOfTime-Future-ForestTemple(Side).jpg
[5:32am] <GlitterBerri>
look
[5:32am] <GlitterBerri>
gaze upon
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
that unused window
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
there are 3 of them
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
the platform is a hexagon
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
like the pedestal of time
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
it's got a triforce on it
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
several in fact
[5:33am] <Gamma>
oh my god
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
i can't handle this
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
i need to take a break
[5:33am] <GlitterBerri>
nintendo this is too much
[5:34am] <GlitterBerri>
pls
[5:34am] <Gamma>
what is that
[5:34am] <GlitterBerri>
pls stahp
[5:34am] <Gamma>
FIVE?
[5:34am] <Gamma>
or four
[5:34am] <Gamma>
-real temple of time
[5:34am] <Gamma>
-room19
[5:34am] <Gamma>
-Forest temple boss
[5:34am] <Gamma>
-tp tot
[5:35am] <GlitterBerri>
;_;
[5:35am] <GlitterBerri>
nintendo y
[5:35am] <Gamma>
y{;_;}y
[5:36am] <Gamma>
yeah, it's weird that there's that triforce there
[5:36am] <GlitterBerri>
in a sun
[5:36am] <GlitterBerri>
ToT and light symbolism = sun
[5:36am] <GlitterBerri>
the FT elevator has a sun
[5:36am] <GlitterBerri>
the Door of Time has a sun
[5:36am] <GlitterBerri>
Time Blocks have suns
[5:36am] <Gamma>
Do you have a copy of the oot3d model viewer that can see textures
[5:36am] <Gamma>
render them, rather
[5:37am] <GlitterBerri>
Ganon's Tower boss door has a sun (he stole the ToL's boss door mbbb)
[5:37am] <GlitterBerri>
I haven't been able to view textures so far, no
[5:37am] <GlitterBerri>
I haven't tired the latest version, though
[5:37am] <Gamma>
...
[5:38am] <Gamma>
7
[5:38am] <Gamma>
7
[5:38am] <Gamma>
seven
[5:38am] <Gamma>
SEVEN
[5:38am] <GlitterBerri>
SEVEN WHAT
[5:38am] <Gamma>
WINDOWS
[5:38am] <GlitterBerri>
where
[5:38am] <Gamma>
uh
[5:38am] <Gamma>
wait
[5:38am] <Gamma>
I'm ilnumerate
[5:38am] <Gamma>
6 windows
[5:38am] <Gamma>
in the boss room
[5:38am] <GlitterBerri>
which one
[5:39am] <Gamma>
Forest
[5:39am] <GlitterBerri>
FG's boss room in OoT3D?
[5:39am] <Gamma>
yes
[5:39am] <Gamma>
One above each painting
[5:39am] <GlitterBerri>
well shit son
[5:39am] <GlitterBerri>
do they actually have light, or are they blacked out like in OoT?
[5:39am] <GlitterBerri>
the ones in OoT actually have a black texture over them
[5:39am] <GlitterBerri>
They aren't just empty
[5:40am] <GlitterBerri>
Doesn't make any bloody sense to have a windowed room underground
[5:40am] <GlitterBerri>
someone should fire the architects
[5:40am] <GlitterBerri>
That's why I'm wondering if the elevator didn't go up before
[5:40am] <GlitterBerri>
instead of down
[5:41am] <GlitterBerri>
up to the roof
[5:41am] <Gamma>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fGL2dO6fk9Q#t=42
[5:41am] <GlitterBerri>
so the underground windows have light
[5:41am] <GlitterBerri>
ok then
[5:42am] <Gamma>
He uses light-based attacks
[5:42am] <Gamma>
did you realize?
[5:42am] <GlitterBerri>
no i didn't make the connectino
[5:42am] <GlitterBerri>
wow
[5:42am] <Gamma>
lightning, light balls
[5:42am] <GlitterBerri>
yes :O
[5:43am] <GlitterBerri>
hey guess how many points that Triforce logo has
[5:43am] <GlitterBerri>
6 triangle points
[5:43am] <GlitterBerri>
6 points of light on the light ring
[5:43am] <Gamma>
6 windows
[5:43am] <GlitterBerri>
and 6 Triforces around the perimeter of the room
[5:44am] <GlitterBerri>
Nintendo, you and your symbolism
[5:44am] <GlitterBerri>
It gives you away every time
[5:44am] <Gamma>
that texture for the windows
[5:45am] <Gamma>
why does it look familiar
[5:45am] <GlitterBerri>
it doesn't to me, but it might be elsewhere in OoT3D
[5:45am] <GlitterBerri>
Check the ToT
[5:45am] <GlitterBerri>
btw
[5:45am] <GlitterBerri>
regarding windows
[5:46am] <GlitterBerri>
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/N64/LegendOfZelda-OcarinaOfTime-Future-InsideGanon'sCastle(Side).jpg
[5:47am] <GlitterBerri>
Scroll left
[5:47am] <GlitterBerri>
Note that the ToL mini dungeon has a room with purple stained-glass-looking windows
[5:47am] <GlitterBerri>
and a Triforce symbol on the floor before it
[5:47am] <GlitterBerri>
then go right
[5:47am] <GlitterBerri>
Look at the staircase up to Ganon's room
[5:47am] <GlitterBerri>
Lots of stained-glass windows with a similar texture
[5:48am] <GlitterBerri>
then look at Ganondorf's actual room
[5:48am] <GlitterBerri>
Lots of stained-glass windows with a similar texture
[5:48am] <GlitterBerri>
Then look at the box door from the staircase to his room
[5:48am] <GlitterBerri>
Sun on it
[5:49am] <GlitterBerri>
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/N64/LegendOfZelda-OcarinaOfTime-Present-TempleOfTime(Side).jpg
[5:49am] <Gamma>
Where's the stained glass in the light mini-dungeon?
[5:49am] <GlitterBerri>
Purple room
[5:49am] <GlitterBerri>
Could just be the walls, but it looks like stained glass windows
[5:50am] <Gamma>
And the triforce is just there because the player knows to use Zelda's Lullabye on places with the triforce
[5:50am] <Gamma>
Oh, I see
[5:50am] <GlitterBerri>
I know, but it's still symbolism and a possible link
[5:51am] <Gamma>
http://i.imgur.com/OY9T9rJ.png
[5:51am] <Gamma>
What does stained glass mean
[5:51am] <GlitterBerri>
Seems to be Light Temple and/or ToT symbolism
[5:52am] <Gamma>
http://i.imgur.com/2pCMYzs.png
[5:53am] <GlitterBerri>
yes
[5:53am] <Gamma>
the boss door looks out of place
[5:53am] <Gamma>
I've always thought that
[5:53am] <GlitterBerri>
The GT one?
[5:54am] <GlitterBerri>
http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/e/ed/Temple_of_Time_2.jpg
[5:54am] <GlitterBerri>
check that mark on the floor
[5:54am] <GlitterBerri>
similar to the Triforce mark in PG's room
[5:54am] <Gamma>
"play zelda's lullaby"
[5:55am] <GlitterBerri>
Zelda = sage?
[5:56am] <Gamma>
dunno
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
Play Zelda's lullaby in the Light Temple
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
It's her dungeon
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess/thumb/9/9e/P17_087.jpg/228px-P17_087.jpg
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
hey
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
is that an elevator
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
because if it is
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
that sure is an elevator with a sun on it
[5:56am] <Gamma>
does it always seem to go wind-fire-ice-soul-darkness-light in OoT's files
[5:56am] <Gamma>
yeah
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
No, not always. But all the older stuff is like that.
[5:56am] <Gamma>
elevator, goes down
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
hey hey hey :D
[5:56am] <GlitterBerri>
Fuck iI love getting proved right
[5:56am] <Gamma>
wait
[5:56am] <Gamma>
let me check
[5:57am] <Gamma>
No
[5:57am] <GlitterBerri>
Hm?
[5:57am] <Gamma>
it's the top of a structure that holds a bell, which is used to transport a statue from the top of the dungeon to the main room
[5:58am] <GlitterBerri>
a bell hey
[5:58am] <Gamma>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8dNfDPMir2g
[5:58am] <GlitterBerri>
bell tho
[5:59am] <GlitterBerri>
with some very very ToG-looking designs on it
[5:59am] <Gamma>
tower of time = tower of the gods = tp temple of time
[5:59am] <Gamma>
I am so done
[5:59am] <GlitterBerri>
:D :D :D
[5:59am] <Gamma>
three games to get their idea right
[5:59am] <Gamma>
three
[5:59am] <GlitterBerri>
hahaaa
[5:59am] <Gamma>
like
[5:59am] <Gamma>
wtf
[5:59am] <Gamma>
It is midnight
[6:00am] <Gamma>
officially wednesday
[6:00am] <GlitterBerri>
nintendo can't handle us
[6:00am] <GlitterBerri>
the greatest wednesday of our lives
[6:00am] <GlitterBerri>
ok not really but still this is p. great
[6:00am] <GlitterBerri>
you sure have to move around statues in TP ToT too
[6:00am] <Gamma>
yes
[6:00am] <GlitterBerri>
and everything in this temple sure is covered in light medallion symbols
[6:00am] <Gamma>
very yes
[6:01am] <GlitterBerri>
When Aonuma said "lol we reuse scrapped material in other games", he sure wasn't kdiding
[6:02am] <Gamma>
"anything that doesn't get into this game"
[6:02am] <Gamma>
"we use in every game afta"
[6:02am] <GlitterBerri>
also
[6:02am] <Gamma>
we-use
[6:02am] <Gamma>
hah
[6:02am] <GlitterBerri>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8dNfDPMir2g#2m25s
[6:02am] <GlitterBerri>
that is a very sunny door
[6:03am] <GlitterBerri>
the top and sides
[6:03am] <GlitterBerri>
on the bottom
[6:03am] <GlitterBerri>
this dungeon also contains some nice sunny glass windows with fancy designs
[6:03am] <Gamma>
yeah
[6:03am] <Gamma>
I bet it's an in-joke in Nintendo now
[6:04am] <GlitterBerri>
I know, the whole light medallion symbols everywhere just feels like they're trolling us
[6:05am] <GlitterBerri>
What I need to figure out
[6:05am] <GlitterBerri>
Is what item you'd use in the Light Temple
[6:05am] <GlitterBerri>
I wonder if the ToG and the TP ToT offer any clues
[6:06am] <GlitterBerri>
b/c you wouldn't get the Light Arrows till you got the Light Medallion, with the old way the bow worked
[6:08am] <Gamma>
here's an off-topic note
[6:08am] <Gamma>
the model for the final Tower of the Gods is called X_tower
[6:08am] <Gamma>
the texture for the bell is called x_hane
[6:08am] <Gamma>
I wonder what x is supposed to mean
[6:08am] <GlitterBerri>
羽子 [はね: HANE]  (1) feather, plume, wing, (2) blade (fan, propeller, etc.)
[6:08am] <GlitterBerri>
跳ね [はね: HANE]  (1) (a) jump, (2) splashes (usu. of mud), (3) upward turn at the bottom (e.g. of a vertical stroke of a kanji or of a hairdo), (4) close (e.g. of a theatrical performance), breakup
[6:09am] <Gamma>
*kane
[6:09am] <GlitterBerri>
kane = bell, so that makes more sense
[6:09am] <GlitterBerri>
Not sure about the X o_O
[6:09am] <GlitterBerri>
Straight-Edge Tower of the Gods
[6:10am] <GlitterBerri>
um
[6:10am] <GlitterBerri>
hm
[6:10am] <Gamma>
x-tra
[6:11am] <Gamma>
x_x
[6:11am] <Gamma>
yeah
[6:11am] <Gamma>
shorthand for x_x
[6:11am] <Gamma>
cause they was ded
[6:12am] <Gamma>
the scheme they adopted for the new tower's outside look is weird
[6:13am] <GlitterBerri>
Where is that blue room from TWW with the fancy textures
[6:13am] <Gamma>
It's room19
[6:13am] <Gamma>
the room below the unused bell tower in Siren
[6:13am] <GlitterBerri>
http://tcrf.net/File:TLoZTWW_H_test_1.png
[6:13am] <GlitterBerri>
I think I meant this one
[6:13am] <Gamma>
oh
[6:13am] <Gamma>
It's apparently just a test room
[6:14am] <GlitterBerri>
The window reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8dNfDPMir2g#t=3m41s
[6:14am] <Gamma>
although h_ usually prefixes stuff used for the Tower
[6:14am] <Gamma>
o_o
[6:14am] <Gamma>
let me go digging
[6:14am] <GlitterBerri>
And the human textures beside the window in that room remind me of the humans along the walls here
[6:14am] <GlitterBerri>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8dNfDPMir2g#t=8s
[6:17am] <GlitterBerri>
And the door design kinda looks like http://www.zeldainformer.com/images/articles/Hidden3_img5.jpg
[6:17am] <GlitterBerri>
Also, blaaatant speculation
[6:17am] <GlitterBerri>
but
[6:18am] <GlitterBerri>
I wonder if the first thing they did when they first started testing the game, before they switched it to cel-shading and toon Link, was be like "Hey maybe we should reconstruct that dungeon that never made it into OoT"
[6:18am] <Gamma>
http://i.imgur.com/vYefvSb.png
[6:18am] <Gamma>
http://i.imgur.com/fof6bn0.png
[6:19am] <Gamma>
first one is h_heki
[6:19am] <Gamma>
second is h_maru
[6:19am] <GlitterBerri>
heki just means wall
[6:19am] <GlitterBerri>
maru means circle
[6:19am] <GlitterBerri>
http://i.imgur.com/fof6bn0.png <-- this one looks even more sunny and less flowery
[6:20am] <GlitterBerri>
not testing, sorry experimenting with making the game*
[6:21am] <GlitterBerri>
http://zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Temple_of_Time_OoT3D.jpg/272px-Temple_of_Time_OoT3D.jpg
[6:21am] <GlitterBerri>
also, dat circular window
[6:27am] <Gamma>
What is with stuff from the Tower being called h_
[6:27am] <GlitterBerri>
that's a good question
[6:27am] <GlitterBerri>
Do other TWW maps have that letter_ identifier?
[6:28am] <Gamma>
stuff from the Wind Temple
[6:28am] <GlitterBerri>
What letter?
[6:28am] <Gamma>
h_
[6:28am] <GlitterBerri>
And just that dungeon?
[6:28am] <Gamma>
well
[6:28am] <Gamma>
no
[6:29am] <Gamma>
it's h<name>
[6:29am] <GlitterBerri>
I see
[6:29am] <GlitterBerri>
And no other dungeons aside from those two have letter identifiers?
[6:29am] <Gamma>
I don't know
[6:29am] <Gamma>
the beamos is called hmos
[6:29am] <GlitterBerri>
Again probably false rampant speculation, but
[6:30am] <GlitterBerri>
Since letter_whatever is the OoT naming convention, could those dungeons be indicative of assets left over from OoT?
[6:30am] <GlitterBerri>
I mean
[6:30am] <GlitterBerri>
OoT was supposed to have a wind temple too
[6:30am] <GlitterBerri>
right
[6:30am] <Gamma>
no
[6:30am] <Gamma>
there isn't any h_ besides in textures
[6:30am] <Gamma>
h<filename> is what TWW uses for objects
[6:31am] <Gamma>
Hseki is one of the pedestal things you search for earlier on in the ToG
[6:31am] <GlitterBerri>
semi = stone
[6:32am] <GlitterBerri>
seki*
[6:32am] <GlitterBerri>
on a random note
[6:32am] <GlitterBerri>
Misc/goma_light_00.cmab Misc/goma_light_01.cmab
[6:32am] <GlitterBerri>
Gohma has these animations in here files
[6:32am] <GlitterBerri>
wonder what they are
[6:33am] <Gamma>
cmab are eye textures
[6:33am] <Gamma>
er, anims
[6:33am] <Gamma>
from maba
[6:33am] <Gamma>
blink
[6:33am] <Gamma>
Could be for when her eye is red
[6:33am] <GlitterBerri>
oicic
[6:33am] <GlitterBerri>
瞻る [まばる: MABARU]  (uk) to keep a watch (on)
[6:33am] <GlitterBerri>
in my dictinoary
[6:34am] <Gamma>
mabatakisuru