DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:21 PM
hiya
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:21 PM
hello
this game is kind of a joke
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:22 PM
yeah figuring out who is who is kind of crazy in this set up
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:22 PM
that's not my real issue with this gam
game*
it's understanding the voting intentions behind each players
solving the game is only half the battle
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:23 PM
true I have no idea who anyone is voting for
how long does day 1 last?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:24 PM
I cannot have you as wolf because I already have 3 obvious scum lean and 3 players that may be worth investigation if they keep being lowly active
I'm assuming you're town because I have too many suspicious people
this phase ends 7th april
at 12PM PST @ noon server time
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:24 PM
yeah DFR is a friend irl and he pegged you town so thus this
I have a few hunches on wolves, but I'm still new and don't want to say anything since it's been awhile since I've done a game such as this
I feel like a lot of people are acting out though
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:27 PM
do you have DFR has town and does he have you as town?
I think that's the case
I'm probably one of the players with the most information to share
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:28 PM
he has me as town, i'm not 100% certain about him, but I doubt he could lie to me with a straight face
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:28 PM
if you're actually semi serious about solving this game
which the channel haven't been imo
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:28 PM
that's why I sought you out, you are active enough to keep up and you seem to be well enough informed as to know how to play and sort through the people
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:29 PM
I need to pressure 3 players
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:29 PM
who?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:29 PM
and I need to pressure another 3 players into being active
the first 3 are LightKnight/Soundwave/TyrantNeptune
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:29 PM
what are their names on discord?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:29 PM
LightKnight is Nakah
he will probably tell you nothing that will help you
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:30 PM
oh yeah him, he has been acting strange I don't know how to pin him
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:30 PM
well, maybe not
being "new" as its advantages
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:30 PM
that is true
I can feign ignorance to a lot of things
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:36 PM
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4541199&postcount=58 here's the joke
this post is more important than it looks
the more you play this game as both alignment, the more you realize you may have tendency to post a certain way to reach your goals
when you're a wolf, you usually a goal in mind to kill the power roles as a priority
because they're the only players who can shut you down without needing to convince the others to vote you etc.
and convincing everyone to follow you is really hard in this game
even if you solved everything
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:38 PM
yeah i understand that, so do you peg light and sound as wolves then?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:39 PM
and TyrantNeptune as well
talking about power roles is a big no
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:39 PM
okay I can see that now, I read over that post but I didn't really understand it but I think I get it now
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:39 PM
unless we're playing a mystery game with a very complex setup
but in this case, nah.
this game is special, but it's not like crazy
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:41 PM
yeah wow okay I see how you could get that. Hard to know if Tyrant was just trying to help out any newbies, but at the same time he shouldn't say post that in chat because then the wolves will know and there goes the seer
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:42 PM
it's because if you make everyone talk about the setup, you will be able to analyze who is the more likely to be a power role
and it's kinda easy after that as the wolf team to make a consensus about who to kill during the night
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:42 PM
very easy
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:43 PM
I'm pushing like im doing right now because I don't want the real PRs to be stuck explaining these things
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:43 PM
i gotcha
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:43 PM
because they're going to be like "ugh, I don't want to explain these things, they're going to kill me during the night etc."
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:43 PM
yeah for sure, dfr thinks nakah to be MW?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:44 PM
there's 2 suspects for that
nakah is one
the other could be flashflash account ironically
but I tend to believe that flashflash account is a false positive
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:44 PM
I don't remember reading too many things by him. Is he one of the silent ones or did I just miss it (been kinda busy)
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:45 PM
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4541298&postcount=94
this post is important for that
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:45 PM
I see that
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:45 PM
the seer "can't clear" players because the master wolf exist
unless the psychic announce that a green died and that it was a wolf
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM
yeah the MW is the wolf that appears to be town when read
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM
yeah
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM
sorry for some of these questions, still learning everything. I think I get the roles of everyone now though
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM
that (in a perfect world me haha) is just "too much info"
he could simply be a VT
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM
yeah almost like he wants the seer to "clear" him
vt?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM
vanilla town
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM
oh
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:47 PM
I currently have him as a "lost town"
and relatively new player
because he didn't consider master wolf
(or he did and he's greedy?)
idk
basically, his play wasn't that great, but at same time, it doesn't mean "it has to be a wolf"
it just means "that was weird"
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:49 PM
yeah, that is why i've been a bit quite...don't want to say something that would lead people to believe something that's not. Trying to read more of this game and input when I think I have something and otherwise just learn what everyone else seems to be doing. Hard to do on this game though
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:50 PM
well, there's where meta comes in for me
because I played with like half of these players before
so I have "an idea" of what they tend to do
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:50 PM
meta?
that's nice so if someone is acting a bit unusual you can be on high alert for possible wolf
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:51 PM
meta comes from metadata which comes from database which is a list of things. I associate the "list of things" with "habits from players"
basically, it's how people tend to behave on TWG here
it's not always accurate, but it's usually more accurate than not
and if someone changes how they behave, the meta about them consider that
it's an evaluation based on experience from multiple games
like my wolf self is incredibly weak to fast talking
if you talk to me mega fast and pressure me
and I freeze or implode or something
I'm usually a wolf
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:53 PM
got it, and yeah wolves tend to act a bit strangly. Don't have experience with this but town of salem and mafia
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:53 PM
when I just speak my heart content etc. without caring, I'm usually town
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:53 PM
noted
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:53 PM
it's not always accurate, but so far, it's how it's been
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:53 PM
if ever I play with you again
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:53 PM
also, I'm crazy.
like totally insane
I will do the crazy plays
as town
and I will play more safe as wolf
because well, don't want to get caught etc.
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:54 PM
same
I am usually a lot more quite and such as wolf
otherwise I draw attention to myself
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:54 PM
what happens most of the time is that everyone knows im town, but they don't trust me because of my "crazy behavior" etc.
since they don't trust me I become related useless
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:54 PM
dfr trusts you so
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:54 PM
since I'm relatively useless, the wolves never kill me
so, I tend to survive very far in games now
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:55 PM
and you know everything but no one believes you and thus none of the wolves die
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:55 PM
the irony is that this situation + the fact that I have a ton of free time should make me dangerous
but people don't tend to take advantage of me
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:56 PM
well I think there is at least 3 people who would vote with you
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:56 PM
yeah but
this game has 14 players
if I don't get at least 6-8 votes
the suspects will most likely live
etc.
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:57 PM
the wolves will have 3 votes plus whichever towns they convince
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:57 PM
I have a big weakness, I'm not the best at writing convincing objective posts that makes everyone go wow
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:57 PM
you just need 3 plus a few additional to out vote the wolf right?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:57 PM
so, what tends to happen is that someone better than me at arguing will get all the votes
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:57 PM
once I looked more closely at your posts I could figure out what you meant
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:58 PM
well, my game is fairly simple
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 9:58 PM
I don't know how well I am at convincing but I can try xD
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 9:58 PM
I see something strange, I point at it, and I keep pointing at it until one of us die
or someone give me a good explanation
but eventually, I need to ignore who im targeting
and check out why others are targeting other players
and get me on my side
but I usually can't do that because lol arguing
(I'm a french Canadian and I'm having issues with putting together big cases and explaining things accurately)
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:00 PM
but, I also have a ton of free time to compensate that weakness
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:00 PM
born in canada too actually xD I like to think I can argue well, but sometimes I trip over my own words and that can make me hard to follow
I am used to writing convincing papers and such and was once on debate team so I know how to convine people just a matter of formulating the words to do so
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:01 PM
I feel like LightKnight/Soundwave/TyrantNeptune have something in common
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:01 PM
yes
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:01 PM
I haven't seen a single post yet by them that helps me progress with the game
this also applies to the players who didn't post etc.
but they mostly seems to have reasons
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:02 PM
i'm trying to get them as friends so maybe I can do a bit of dming
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:02 PM
and I'm expecting them to talk more later on
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:02 PM
weekend will be interesting
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:03 PM
I'm nearly convinced mellonxcollie and evanescence are both town
flashflash account has a decent chance of being town
the reason is because I can't explain his thought process
for his suspicions
and I think his post was kinda weak for a wolf
where choof quote him back
but hey, maybe something will happen and I will change my mind duh
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:04 PM
yeah early on in the game still
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:04 PM
I just want to believe a little
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:05 PM
i'm not as keen eyed for these things yet, thanks for helping me out though
I definitely need to be looking into everything a bit more
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:06 PM
evanescence is supposed to be a very straightforward player
I tried reading her objectively and I misread her super hard
I think if she rolls wolf, it's going to be kinda obvious
no offense to her
but I have literally nothing that could let me think she's wolf here
she posted about a trip to california, talked for a while, provided screenshots/proof that she was indeed doing what she said
everything flowed nicely when she talked
and she's not known for lying really well so..
I do think that's all there is to her
she will probably get paranoid a bit eventually under pressure
I know she doesn't handle pressure well
even as town
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:10 PM
why does she feel pressured as town
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:10 PM
she's more emotional than other players
like I don't think she finished a single game yet
usually replaces out half way
I misread her last game and I felt horrible about it
because it somehow made sense to me that she could be wolf etc.
but it was just a coincidence
in this game, I don't even have actions from her that could explain a wolfy behavior
like even with my standards that were not accurate, I wouldn't target her at this point
raeko @ (mellonxcollie) is because she's the player that I have the highest % of reading her right
I spent hours talking to her this game
in 1 on 1 privately
like, she knows where I'm going with this game as well
I also read her based on actions and intentions mostly
DanikaBanana - Last Wednesday at 10:14 PM
so you are pretty sure raeko and eva are town is what i am gathering?
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 10:16 PM
yeah
April 6, 2017
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:04 AM
last night seemed...interesting
I only caught up on the thread, too much in the discord...but I understand that light/nakah got fairly upset and then up and left
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:06 AM
(I'm starting to think you're DFR lmao)
because im comparing when you type and when he types
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:07 AM
what? xD
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:07 AM
and I've never seen you two type in sync
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:07 AM
oh shit lol no we aren't the same person
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:07 AM
coincidence heh
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:07 AM
he is a he i'm a she
big differences promise
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:07 AM
I'm going to avoid the prove it joke
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:08 AM
good xD
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:08 AM
are you going to the same school or something?
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:08 AM
yes we are both at the same university
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:08 AM
because it felt like you were both constantly online at the very same time etc.
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:09 AM
he has been trying to convince me for awhile now to join a twg game and I finally gave in
and yeah we are up at very similiar hours
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:09 AM
I'm just going to remind you that you currently have 0 post in the thread.
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:09 AM
he typically wakes up slightly earlier and I go to bed later typically
do I need to post in thread?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:10 AM
well, if you think you have something to contribute that you don't mind sharing publicly definitely.
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:10 AM
yeah that's the thing I don't have anything super definite
I am positive dfr is human that is it
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:10 AM
I know wolves can read the thread, but there's also 11 humans who can read it
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:10 AM
i'm fairly certain about you but that is just because I trust dfr
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:12 AM
im more certain of you than DFR
which is ironic
because I played with DFR
but he's fairly likely to be town
but the more you try to explain actions/intentions/reasons, the more it will benefit you
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:13 AM
haha if you are sure I am town then trust me that he is human
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:13 AM
for making others view you as town
because people do care about how you invest yourself in the game
because the more you invest yourself, the more your options become restricted
and that's a good thing if you're town
but it's a bad thing if you're wolf
because you need a backdoor as a wolf to get away from being stuck voting a partner
well, ideally speaking
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:14 AM
speaking of voting how do i do that
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:14 AM
[twgv] name of player [/twgv]
I don't suggest voting right now
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:14 AM
have people already voted?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:14 AM
yeah
there's like 4 votes on lightknight
and lightknight voted me
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:15 AM
how do I know it is a vote? I see the red is that a vote?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:15 AM
it's red
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:15 AM
okay cool
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:15 AM
and it's one of our names
also red names in quotes don't count and red names in spoiler tags don't count
because you can quote someone voting someone else to explain something
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:16 AM
okay thank you!!
i'll try to make up a convincing argument of what I believe between classes and put something in the thread about it. I really don't know too much I want others to look at and take for truth though
i'm usually a very cautious player, and I don't like to post things unless I am certain of it. Then it gets to be too much namecalling and then hard for others to pick through what has value and what is complete garbage
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:21 AM
well, here's the trick question for you
"how do you become certain of something in this game" ?
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:21 AM
you take what you have read and try to understand it and pull from it what you believe is truth then share your thoughts as best and convincing as you can
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:22 AM
yes, but the 1% scenario could be right and you could be wrong
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 10:22 AM
I just am a super cautious person so I don't do name calling
true
class is over I gtg
ttyl
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 10:22 AM
ah ok
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:44 PM
How do you think someone in thread would read the following post? (making sure I don't say something that seems suspisous)
Hey everyone,

I know I haven't posted in thread yet, and that is mainly because I feel like I don't have much, if anything, to contribute. I am, however, fairly certain of two people. I believe DFR and Hakulyte to be town.

I am still fairly new to a game such as this, but being able to talk in DFR in person I can confirm that he is town for certain. Haku in private messages appears to really be trying to figure everyone out such as any good town would do.
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:45 PM
here's a few questions for ya
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:45 PM
oh great xD
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:45 PM
how will you respond to "why is DFR / Haku town? "
"I think their tone is great" won't really count
but yeah
derp I typed this without reading third paragraph lmao
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:46 PM
well dfr I know irl so you'll just have to trust my instinct that he isn't when he tells me he is town. I've known him for awhile and thus know when he is lying
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:47 PM
I'll tell ya what will happen
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:47 PM
and then yeah you I am trusting dfr and what has been exchanged between us
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:47 PM
you're going to be associated with DFR really quick
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:47 PM
and you
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:47 PM
as potential partners
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:47 PM
since he already posted he thought both of us to be town
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:47 PM
I'm a special case
I think everyone in this thread thinks im town
even lightknight who voted me
and I don't think a single wolf will attack me
because im a nightmare to deal with
they're just going to sink under hundred of questions about intentions/actions etc.
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:48 PM
what's the likely hood of the two who know each other in person are together as wolves
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:48 PM
possibilities are pointless
if it's possible, that's danger enough
but you're probably both town tbh
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:49 PM
so very slim it is almost inpossible thus the likely hood we are townies is mroe certain
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:49 PM
yeah, but that logic will get you lynched
you should try to say the same thing differently
because when you're a wolf, you try to create scenarios where the unlikely is what is actually happening
and if you put emphasis on "this is unlikely" people are going to raise eyebrow
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:50 PM
true
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:50 PM
you may get posts like "how do you know that?"
and this is a game with assumptions
you can't really "know" things
so, that's really unfun to defend
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:50 PM
i'll try to make something more convincing then...
thanks for helping me though xD
making sure I don't do anything stupid
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:59 PM
well, it sucks but people evaluate how you post "and" what you post so yeah..
being cautious is scary btw
you're expected to be like fearless and straightforward
and keep things simple
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 12:59 PM
I know...but at the same time if I post i'm being read
and i'll be read wrong probably
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 12:59 PM
because you technically have nothing to hide if town etc.
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:00 PM
also, you should focus on who you think are wolves
and why
because this is what everyone wants to know
well 11/14 players
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:01 PM
true, but if we can convince other townies we are towns can't we just expand the townie group and then have more info at our disposal
knowing who is town is half the battle of finding the wolves
you are far more experienced in twg so I'm taking your advice and trying to follow it. I do appreciate it
Did you find this odd?
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4541408&postcount=118
"I'm not going to vote for you no matter..."
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:09 PM
yeah
but I do know why that was posted!
MUWHAHAHA \o\
and I'll tell you.
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:09 PM
please share
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:09 PM
raeko @ mellonxcollie knows nakah @ lightknight personally as a friend
so just like you and DFR, she's trying to keep him in the game kinda
regardless of alignment
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:10 PM
oh okay so just sticking up for a friend
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:10 PM
yeah
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:10 PM
i'd vote dfr out in an instant if he was wolf
i play to win
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:10 PM
but she's running out of options herself
if nakah cannot/do not explain himself somehow
probably going to get lynched
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:11 PM
yep he is definetly the one I feel the most unsure about
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:11 PM
even if he's town, his game makes little sense for long term progression
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:11 PM
and being unsure isn't a good thing, play it safe rather than sorry so he will have my vote if he doesn't make something sound convincing of town
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:11 PM
it's mathematically safer to try to get a pool of players that gets along
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:11 PM
agreed
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:11 PM
otherwise you will reach a critical moment in the game and you won't agree
and lose will happen
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:12 PM
think mellonxcollie is town?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:12 PM
yeah, but it's based on meta
I know she's playing stein's gate the visual novel and that she's really bored
and her wolf game is usually about being inactive and avoiding trouble
so, if she's wolf her, she's in opposition with her own meta already
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:13 PM
and thus making such a statement is out of character of her wolfish self
okay yes
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:13 PM
actions/intentions are worth inivestigation tho
but she's the player I'm talking the most with in 1 on 1 right now
I have a really long log with her
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:13 PM
I've tried adding a few as friends, but none have accepted yet you
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:14 PM
oh
you can talk to others without having them as friends
I think
unless they did something so you can't
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:14 PM
lol new to discord as well
that would explain that
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:14 PM
like I don't think I can talk privately to choof
I'm really stuck on lightknight/soundwave/tyrantneptune as the entire wolf team
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:15 PM
that's what you initially thought in thread too
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:15 PM
and I've seen nothing that made me change my mind so far
about all 3 of them
which is ridiculous
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:15 PM
i'd be pretty impressed if your first guess was correct
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:15 PM
if they get lynched it's important to follow their counterwagons (who voted them)
and make sure their reasons align etc.
I guess 2 wolfs / 3 recently
very early
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:16 PM
yep that is usually how I figure things out, who is lynched and then who pushed most for their lynching and why
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:16 PM
and said they were wolf all game
ootc is super convenient for me
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 1:17 PM
you have the time to talk to each individually and see how their intentions line up with everyone else, I can see why you'd prefer this
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 1:20 PM
it's more like im weak at argumenting
in a game based on assumption
if people can see where im coming from on a whim
I think it's a lot more efficient for me
well, this game is more relaxed and less debate level in the thread
compared with games where all the posts in the thread
are*
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:37 PM
UTR means "Under the Radar" which means you're avoiding interactions from a public perspective
not saying anything publicly or in the thread makes you become wolfy be default over time
by*
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:37 PM
okay thanks
i'll talk more
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:37 PM
the simple remedy to this is to talk more + post
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:37 PM
yes I got that ^^
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:37 PM
and it's starting to be important with less than 24 hours left for this phase
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:38 PM
yeah school has just been crazy today and yesterday
tomoor is slack as is this afternoon
tomorrow*
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:38 PM
just telling ya because if they don't lynch lightknight somehow, you could end up getting voted for that very reason
but this also applies to other players
the difference is that you've been seen online for a longer period of time
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:38 PM
yeah I'm not the only one not replying
oh okay
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:39 PM
so, you're in danger of a priority policy vote
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:39 PM
my bad
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:39 PM
policy vote being that people votes you because they don't know who else to vote
and these are really unfun votes
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:39 PM
I got that
dfr told me what a policy vote was cause it was mentioned in the thread before
wait rip is soundwave, he seems talkitive and townie enough and yet you believe him to be one of the wolves? Do you still think this?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:55 PM
ofc I do still think he's a wolf
his thread interactions with me and actions/intentions doesn't match
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:56 PM
sorry I think it is going to take me a few games to be able to analyze even a fraction of what you read into
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:56 PM
and no cardflips makes it impossible for us to judge him on voting patterns
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:56 PM
cardflips?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:56 PM
normally when someone gets lynched, the host inform us what was his flip
this game has no card flips
so...
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
oh you mean if we killed someone we know if he was town or wolf
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
all we know is that the player is out of the game
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
okay got it
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
no one knows if it was a wolf or not
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
unless the seer or physic speak up, they get to know stuff like that right?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
normally there's a strategy around flips and if X person rolled Y role
yeah
but even then
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
bye bye them if they do say something
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
you need to confirm it's not someone lying
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
ture
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:57 PM
and you can't tell
because no cardflips
a blue power role could die
while everyone thinks it's a wolf
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:58 PM
and then the wolf says yes it was a wolf
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:58 PM
ofc
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:58 PM
damn it this game is more involved than i'm used to
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:58 PM
they can fake claim that they're the seer/psychic
so, this game needs a big town circle
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:59 PM
I'm going to need to make a document with all of the players and quotes of them I find unusal/interesting so I can look back more easily
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:59 PM
and we need to cut off all the abnormal players
and hope it ends the game
and that the psychic survives
and provide that super important information
of "how many wolves are still alive"
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:59 PM
is the psychic the one who knows how many wolves are left?
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 4:59 PM
yeah
the seer is weak next to the psychic in this setup
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 4:59 PM
seer just gets to know what one person is a night?
okay
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:00 PM
if the seer checks the master wolf
it will return as an human
do you see the joke?
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:00 PM
yes I remember that
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:00 PM
a seer could unknowingly cover a wolf
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:00 PM
yeah no one can be cleared by him as definite town
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:00 PM
so unless the master wolf dies
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:00 PM
only that he doesn't show as wolf
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:01 PM
technically speaking, if 2 wolves die
psychic should claim
because lynching the third wolf will end the game
and if the psychic claim
the only counter claim is the wolf in theory
that makes the psychic 100% town
this is the ideal scenario
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:02 PM
yes but if the master wolf claims psychic first before the psychic can...
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:02 PM
seer should probably claim if they get a red check
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:02 PM
then there is an issue
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:02 PM
and that's about it really
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:02 PM
but at elast it is narrowed down to 2
least*
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:02 PM
note that in this setup, if the seer checks the psychic, they know it's the psychic
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:02 PM
alright well I am moving from classroom to my dorm. I'l get back on in a few
assuming the seer is still alive
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:03 PM
well, everyone is alive right now
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:03 PM
yes but the seer may not be alive when we need him/her to check for the psychic or fake town
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:04 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
so, ootc interactions are super important
because you need to identify wolves
but ideally you want to find these two somehow
because you'll know who to protect
but are they going to tell you? that's another story.
it's still a risk
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:11 PM
indeed it is, if I was a pr I wouldn't tell anyone in fear of them being a wolf and to be absolutely certain anyone player is town is difficult
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:11 PM
yeah but
for making a town circle
that's a really strong card
think about it
if two person tells you that they're the seer
you almost certainly found a wolf
so, it's unlikely that a wolf goes for that strategy
if the PR tells a town
that towns now know a player with a high possibility of being town
and they also know they need to avoid that person from getting lynched
that's huge
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:13 PM
but how does a pr know who to trust and to tell
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:13 PM
experience is the best bet
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:13 PM
something of which I am severely lacking
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:13 PM
it's like a really unfun russian roulette
but the psychic should probably avoid everyone
the seer could potentially do this
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:16 PM
once one person is lynched i'm hoping I can contribute more...that is usually were I find a lot of my information. Reading into just words like you are capable of doing isn't my strong point. Actions and reasoning behind such votes is a little more of what I am better at. Anyway time for me to make a documentation of everyone and start finding suspious activity. Going through discord is going to be a real pain
still think soundwave is a wolf? idk I feel like he is acting townie enough in chat
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:38 PM
hard to tell
DanikaBanana - Last Thursday at 5:39 PM
I think he might not be...otherwise a smooth liar when talking
April 7, 2017
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:40 AM
I'll tell ya my main case for this phase
my main case is TyrantNeptune
after the voice chat I realized I forgot to ask about him to Nakah
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:41 AM
I don't know much about him, he hasn't said too much when i am on
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:41 AM
he posted something weird
well, his 2 posts are weird
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:41 AM
what did you get with the chat with Nakah? I missed most of that when he was on
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:42 AM
oh I mean
I talked to Nakah 1 on 1 privately
after the voice chat part
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4541286&postcount=91
"I'm not sure. LightKnight, do you play on NSM and if so, what is your account name there?"
so, here's the idea
in the thread sign ups for this game, Nakah @ (LightKnight) went on a site to recruit 2 players
to fill this game
it's TyrantNeptune and flashflash account
he made a thread as Nakah
and invited to FFR as LightKnight
in this post, TyrantNeptune says that he doesn't know LightKnight's account name
Nakah is a headmaster on NSM
with 1000+ posts
TyrantNeptune is davy on NSM
with also 1000+ post
and he's been playing actively
and they both posted recently
the likeliness of them no knowing each others is nearly null
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:45 AM
how did you find that info out?
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:45 AM
TyrantNeptune = davy
flashflash account = NocturneOfShadows
nin sheet music site: http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?board=23.0
that's part of the channel discussion I had with TyrantNeptune
I asked him about the site
and who he was
and kept that saved

that my discussion with Nakah privately
note that Nakah could be lying to me etc. etc.
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:47 AM
yeah I was just about to say that
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:47 AM
but in voice chat I couldn't feel any uneasiness from him
and huh Nakah did something dumb tbh
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:48 AM
what did he do?
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:49 AM
later in the thread, there was posts about choof's logs etc.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4541476&postcount=137
nakah shared it with me and raeko etc.
but this is a cropped picture
here's the full picture
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:50 AM
I read that yes
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:50 AM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/299711239754481664/299713612254281729/asdasdasd.png

and tbh, that's a weird one
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:51 AM
I don't get what you are reading into nakah with this one? usually I can follow once you point it out but what is werid this time?
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:51 AM
when you're a wolf, you get given a wolf chat over discord
his left side doesn't have that

Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:16 AM
that's initially where I was before a decent chunk of tonight
my reads slightly changed by not by a lot
DFR seems to think that Nakah / Eva were protecting each others in voice chat too
idk if he told you that
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:17 AM
he did, but only after I mentioned I didn't really like how eva was playing and then he mentioned it
I think he is trying to let me figure things out and not be swayed by his opinions too easily first
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:18 AM
im going to be honest, idk how to interpret that
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:18 AM
cause I am easily convinced usually...not a good thing int his game
interpret eva?
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:19 AM
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4541202&postcount=61
that's about my accusations on soundwave
2nd quote is the post I found weird
1st quote is his explanation for the 2nd quote
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:20 AM
yeah I didn't like that one either
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:20 AM
the idea is that "Quit drawing attention to your humanity" falls under some sort of order
rather than a neutral stance
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:20 AM
the whole humanity thing threw me for a loop. thought obvious wolf but now not so sure
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:20 AM
and I saw ShadoWolfe pull the same level of play in a recent game
I know he's a different player
but some mindsets are simply similar
and it's hard to filter every posts unconsciously
it's also not the kind of posts that normally gets you lynched
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:21 AM
true true...anyway I do need to be off
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:21 AM
but it's making me assuming he cared about him not dying
yeah
gn
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:21 AM
look forward to talking with yu tomorrow
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:21 AM
sry for lol imposing
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:21 AM
you* ugh sorry so many typos
lol imposing? sorry xD I'll look at your answer tomorrow
night
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:22 AM
night
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:38 PM
how do you vote again?
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 1:40 PM
[twgv]name of player[/twgv]
"the werewolf game vote"
first letters
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 1:41 PM
okay great thanks
This is what I feel as of right now
Town-Hakulyte, danceflashrevo, danikabanana, mellonxcollie, Tokzic, dabackpack, FlashFlashAccount
Unsure-FreezinIce, roundbox
Weird vibes- evanescence_death4ever
Wolf vibes- soundwave, choof, TyrantNeptune, LightKnight924
sorry wrong person, but that's okay you can see that too
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:01 PM
freezinice is someone I stayed online longer with for trying to evaluate him on tone read
in a similar way I evaluated DFR
and he has been more passive this game and reluctant to show me that
so, I cannot town read him surprisingly
but it's not wolfy either yet
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:01 PM
freezinice?
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:02 PM
yeah
he's normally super easy for me to read
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:02 PM
okay yeah that is why I have him as unsure, I really don't know how to place hime
so that should be noted
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:02 PM
he could be reconsidering how to play for this setup
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:02 PM
unless it is easy to read both town and wolf
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:02 PM
but, he's not getting a town pass and should be investigated later on
but I wouldn't vote him either today
roundbox is in the same situation
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:03 PM
I think I am leaning more towards my first two wolf choices today
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:03 PM
except that I can't read him well in general
im a little worried about how he's giving me space
but it's not necessary a bad thing
I guess he just wants to see what im doing and that's okay
eva is town for me
and dabackpack is null
also eva will auto-solve herself
I don't believe she has the ability to hold guilt of being a wolf
while freely talking about her trip
I talked to her and she was kinda on edge that players said that she was using her trip to deflect her game
and this also appeared as genuine
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:05 PM
I don't know eva and it seems odd to me that she speaks so much of her trip and nothing else. Like she wants to be active but not discuss things
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:05 PM
she's not a game solver type of person
she's here to have fun
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:05 PM
oh okay
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:05 PM
I got her mislynched as town last gam
game*
by thinking she was hiding things
but I was wrong
it's the opposite idea
she can't filter lies well at all
and just flow all her thoughts in one go
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:06 PM
I'm still not sure about her. I'll keep that in mind though
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:06 PM
im more sure of her than you two
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:06 PM
really?
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:06 PM
and im fairly sure of you two
yeah
she will implode sooner or later
if wolf
DanikaBanana - Last Friday at 2:06 PM
okay well I will definietly keep that in mind
Hakulyte - Last Friday at 2:06 PM
you won't even need to raise a finger
and im pretty sure someone will eventually interrogate her etc.
to get her lynched
because she's simply too friendly
and will think it's because she's not playing right
and that sucks
I was town and I ended up making her vote someone else because I accused her last game
and I was like "that's not how this work, you can't just sheep my ideas etc"
you're supposed to have your own stance etc. etc.
but she just did that because she didn't knew how to deal with me
and I confused that into getting trolled by her
but she's just not that type of person
the more you talk with her, the more it should be obvious