Fj. vs Coco but no Clark vs Zoro

FJ VS. COCO

YUJIRO VS. KOJIRO:

https://i.imgur.com/2ia17DL.png

Yujiro is fucking out of tier.

KOJIRO WINS.

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THOR VS. LUFFY:

Fj’s 1st response:

* Thor kicking up snow bro seriously? Anyway the feat of Thor blocking the ice giant and throwing it against buildings is pretty sweet for strength.
* Luffy’s durability apparently sucks.
* Thor smacks Luffy and wins due to his physical advantage. That’s the extent of Fj’s arguments but I won’t say they are bad, because, as far as this response goes, Thor does indeed smack Luffy.

Coco’s 1st response:
* Luffy is rubber and thus immune to lightning; this gives Luffy time to wind-up a huge ass attack that destroys Thor. Fj didn’t bring up the lightning for these reasons I suppose, so it’s weird for Coco to waste his time on it, but I guess it’s an argument that holds up?
* Contraire to what Fj argued, Luffy is actually the stronger one.
* The Gigant Pistol feat is nice and the city block (?) one is even nicer. Does seem like they would seriously injure Thor based on Thor’s lower-end showings, albeit they require a wind-up of sorts.
* Win-con is Thor uses lightning, fails, Luffy pummels him. Also Gear 2 boost. Seems ok.

Fj’s 2nd response:
* Fj argues Luffy’s attacks require a wind-up (fair) and that Mjolnir can block Iron Man’s uni-beams which destroy streets; Coco hasn’t even countered that yet but I don’t fucking buy it. That assumes that the uni-beam is always outputting the same amount of power, when the one Iron Man used against Thor (which wasn’t given any context) seems to be waaaay fucking smaller than the ones used to vaporize ships or destroy the street (which were also not given context). So either we get more Mjolnir blocking feats or this argument doesn’t hold up.
* “I enjoy that you fail to mention that these giants are equal to Thor. So maybe y'know, it's not the getting thrown into a stone wall but rather getting wailed on by three people of equal strength to him.” The pot calling the kettle black. It’s not like you didn’t link Luffy’s pseudo-equals doing minimal collateral damage (Kizaru and what not) and made the same type of argument. Either stick to one line of thought or don’t use it at all.
* Wind-up argument once again, and while they are reasonable and make sense, I’m not seeing an argument for Thor ending this fight fast enough for the wind-up to be impossible. “Thor is physically superior” is cool but show him mogging someone very quickly if that is supposed to hold up.
* Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see how Thor uproaring snow with shockwaves is supposed to be that fucking good. I know that shockwaves yadda yadda but can you meaningfully backscale to the full-force of these strikes from the shockwaves? No. And if all you’re gonna argue is “it’s good cause moves the snow” I won’t find the feat all that good. At least jerk shockwaves a little. And this doesn't seem to be "several tons of snow" to me, and even if it was, jerk shockwaves so that this is good.

Coco’s 2nd response:
* Coco presses harder on the lightning key - bro why
* It’s a reasonable point, however, that Thor would indeed try the lightning, but based on all the Thor using lightning scans there are… it’s really not that much of a waste of time. Thor uses lightning pretty relatively quickly. Luffy’s wind-up for his attacks definitely seems waaay bigger than Thor just summoning lightning.
* “This is before the Frost Giants start clobbering him. We can see the crater left by the throw, and it clearly isn’t that big.” is OK. I’m convinced that Luffy’s mid-end blows would throw Thor off his feet and have him down for 2 relative seconds, which is good for a possible wind-up for a high-end strike from Luffy.

Fj’s 3rd response:
* Not much other than pressing on Thor’s physical superiority once more, and restating the OOT request for some reason. I won’t read the OOT part, you already made your OOT request.

Coco’s 3rd response:
* Thor sucks and Luffy good once more. Same feats, same arguments.
* “OOT Reinforcement Rebuttal” are you two fucking kidding me.

VERDICT: we all lose. Thor loses more though. This wasn’t a sweep for either side, and there were some really stupid argument from both parts. I wasn’t convinced that Mjolnir can block Luffy based on nothing but uni-beam scaling from Iron Man, and I wasn’t convinced that Thor relentlessly pummels his opponent. I’m unsure about Luffy’s physicals other than his winded-up strikes, but at the same time Thor was given enough low-end feats to prove that, at the very least, Luffy’s mid-end hits will stagger him for long enough to pull out the bigger guns. Thrown on top of that the possible 1 relative second or so that Thor might lose using lightning, and Luffy’s (not quantified but existant) speed boost with Gear 2, and Luffy eventually just winds-up an attack that KOs Thor, and if it doesn’t, he winds up another one. Cause Thor seems to really like getting hit while doing nothing. Coco didn’t argue most of this shit but I guess Fj also didn’t really convince me on most of these, and Luffy seemed strong enough so...

LUFFY WINS.

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Luffy Out of Tier:

Luffy is not out of tier.

Coco claimed it was Kizaru so the hit could be stronger than what it actually looks like. I don’t see Coco linking Kizaru busting that massive tree and claiming that that’s what Luffy can tank to the face.

Every other feat linked for Luffy is perfectly in-tier.

Furthermore fucking pixel calcs resulting in a fraction of a tree weighing more than multiple skyscrapers bro

And then arguing Kizaru hits harder than nukes cause of the speed of light bro

Get out.