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  2. Status #atheismX #christiandebateX
  3. #atheism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4259164/Pope-quietly-trims-sanctions-sex-abusers-seeking-mercy.html
  4. [21:21] == RachelThompson [~qwebirc@96-86-151-67-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #atheism
  5. [21:21] <RachelThompson> Protect Western culture from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
  6. [21:25] Ignored sbalneav, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE sbalneav
  7. [21:25] <lauchlin1> is that the start of tonight's troll run laniakea or what?
  8. [21:27] <RachelThompson> lauchlin1: What does it mean to troll?
  9. [21:28] <lauchlin1> i put you on ignore laniakea. your crime: being intensely boring
  10. [21:29] Ignored lauchlin1, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE lauchlin1
  11. [21:29] <Sardaukar> lol
  12. [21:30] <RachelThompson> All people have the right to ignore whom the deem correct to ignore.
  13. [21:30] == bradmaj [bradmaj@h237.229.186.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: ]
  14. [21:32] <RachelThompson> This isn't an excellent room.
  15. [21:33] <RachelThompson> There isn't a lot of discussion, and a fair portion of the discussion that does occur is of low quality.
  16. [21:40] <@sexbee> YourMom ruined this room.
  17. [21:41] <RachelThompson> I don't know that I agree with that.
  18. [21:41] <RachelThompson> I think that you and sbalneav are probably pretty important causes.
  19. [21:41] <RachelThompson> As both of you ban people who participate in real dialogue.
  20. [21:41] <RachelThompson> Alos, you gave AXIS operatorship at some point -- a colossal blunder.
  21. [21:41] <@sexbee> It used to be the bastion of intellectualism on Dalnet.
  22. [21:41] <RachelThompson> Sorry. n4ked1.
  23. [21:42] <@sexbee> I have done no such thing.
  24. [21:42] <@sexbee> n4ked1 was an op way before I was.
  25. [21:42] <RachelThompson> High quality chat room or n4ked1 as an operator. Choose one.
  26. [21:42] <RachelThompson> sexbee: Are you aware of any logs of #atheism?
  27. [21:43] <@sexbee> sure
  28. [21:43] <@sexbee> I have some
  29. [21:43] <@sexbee> the NSA has more
  30. [21:43] <RachelThompson> Some channels have publicly available logs.
  31. [21:43] <RachelThompson> Do you know if that's the case for #atheism.
  32. [21:44] <@sexbee> it is not the case for #atheism.
  33. [21:44] <RachelThompson> 2 - Will you share the logs you have?
  34. [21:44] <@sexbee> for what purpose?
  35. [21:44] <RachelThompson> Does the purpose affect your decision?
  36. [21:44] <@sexbee> yes
  37. [21:44] <RachelThompson> Why?
  38. [21:44] <RachelThompson> The data is the same regardless, yes?
  39. [21:45] <RachelThompson> Data wishes to be free.
  40. [21:45] <RachelThompson> That is an axiom in some cultures.
  41. [21:45] <@sexbee> a gun is a gun too, does it matter who you lend it to?
  42. [21:45] == Mitino [~adelante@BSN-176-178-249.dynamic.siol.net] has quit [Quit: ]
  43. [21:45] == pheno [~user@ec2-54-191-78-116.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #atheism
  44. [21:45] <@sexbee> it's not a question of price
  45. [21:45] <RachelThompson> I do not believe there is an expectation of privacy in this channel.
  46. [21:46] <RachelThompson> Do you think information is as dangerous as a gun?
  47. [21:46] <@sexbee> I think it's more dangerous than a gun.
  48. [21:46] <pheno> everyone thinks you're a dick, it's very public
  49. [21:46] Ignored pheno, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE pheno
  50. [21:46] <RachelThompson> What makes information dangeorus?
  51. [21:47] <RachelThompson> edge.org asked 125 academics a few years ago what is the world's most dangerous idea.
  52. [21:47] <RachelThompson> Somebody said transhumanism. Another, genetics.
  53. [21:47] <RachelThompson> My favorite was a professor from Harvard. He said the world's most dangerous idea is "That there are dangerous ideas"
  54. [21:48] <RachelThompson> Giving a gun to a person is sometimes a crime
  55. [21:48] <RachelThompson> Receiving information is always legal
  56. [21:48] <@sexbee> I'm sure he thought himself clever.
  57. [21:49] <RachelThompson> Sharing information can be illegal, if it is classified
  58. [21:49] <@sexbee> If I sit down for an hour or so, I, too, could probably come up with a cleverly-worded feel-good platitude about dangerous ideas.
  59. [21:49] <RachelThompson> Do you have classified information?
  60. [21:49] <RachelThompson> I recommend you share all non-classified data with me.
  61. [21:49] <RachelThompson> (That will be all of the logs you have available)
  62. [21:50] <@sexbee> I feel disinclined to acquiesce to this request.
  63. [21:50] <RachelThompson> There are reports there is a sealed indictment against Trump
  64. [21:50] <RachelThompson> Claude Taylor and Louise Mensch
  65. [21:51] <@sexbee> I'm afraid I just don't know you well enough, nor do I trust you far enough.
  66. [21:51] <RachelThompson> Accepted.
  67. [21:51] <RachelThompson> When you think of how bad Trump is doing on his own, imagine him in a crisis
  68. [21:51] <RachelThompson> It's a clear and present danger to the country
  69. [21:51] <RachelThompson> And the Republicans are playing games with our lives
  70. [21:51] <RachelThompson> That is, they are a terrorist organization
  71. [21:52] <@sexbee> If the past is any indication of your likely motive, you'll probably think of mining bits out of the logs to post to your pastebin, in an effort to attempt to shame others with it.
  72. [21:52] <RachelThompson> Correct.
  73. [21:52] <@sexbee> This is not honorable.
  74. [21:52] <RachelThompson> I hold people accountable with their own words.
  75. [21:52] <RachelThompson> You find that dishonorable?
  76. [21:53] <@sexbee> You can hold people accountable without making it a public spectacle.
  77. [21:53] <RachelThompson> Holding people accountable with their public communications and/or unsolicited messages is called 'journalism'.
  78. [21:53] <RachelThompson> What causes it to be a spectacle?
  79. [21:53] <RachelThompson> I would think people's emotional reactions are their business.
  80. [21:53] <@sexbee> Why don't you go full retard and make adulterers wear a scarlet 'A' or something too
  81. [21:53] <RachelThompson> Fallacy.
  82. [21:53] <RachelThompson> You're escalating the intensity of your position as I am indicating I'm not convinced.
  83. [21:54] <RachelThompson> Do you recognize that pattern?
  84. [21:54] <@sexbee> Public display of perceived sinful behavior is the analogy
  85. [21:54] <RachelThompson> I'm not going to discuss your analogy.
  86. [21:54] <@sexbee> I reject your authority to decide whose behavior is sinful.
  87. [21:54] <RachelThompson> Analogies are, by definition, at least somewhat different than the situation.
  88. [21:54] <RachelThompson> And that difference introduces confusion.
  89. [21:54] <RachelThompson> I will discuss the situation, though.
  90. [21:55] <RachelThompson> sexbee: What is the source of sinfulness?
  91. [21:55] <RachelThompson> I would say 'the beliefs of the perceiver'.
  92. [21:55] <RachelThompson> Therefore, an unedited log cannot be a carrier of sin.
  93. [21:55] <@sexbee> You are the perceiver in your pastebins
  94. [21:55] <RachelThompson> Yes, we can infer that at least some of my Pastebins contain material I perceive to be 'sinful'.
  95. [21:55] <@sexbee> Your commentary indicts you with your own biases
  96. [21:55] <RachelThompson> Everybody has their perspective.
  97. [21:56] <RachelThompson> The unedited data is available for people to make the decision that is right for them.
  98. [21:56] <RachelThompson> Hence, journalism.
  99. [21:56] <RachelThompson> If you'd like, You could maintain a Pastebin of your own.
  100. [21:56] <RachelThompson> And record those interactions with me you think are relevant.
  101. [21:56] <RachelThompson> Give them titles you feel are appropriate.
  102. [21:56] <RachelThompson> I might consume them.
  103. [21:56] <@sexbee> I reject your value system and do not wish to give you logs as a way to enable you to perpetuate this value system.
  104. [21:57] <RachelThompson> We already resolved the log situation.
  105. [21:57] <RachelThompson> I agree we appear to have a different value system.
  106. [21:57] <RachelThompson> 1 - Do you agree this is a public forum with no expectation of privacy, at least beyond the Dalnet crowd?
  107. [21:57] <@sexbee> I have no desire to have people laugh at me behind my back for the pastebins I think are honorable, yet which most everyone else would undoubtedly view as badges of shame on me.
  108. [21:57] <@sexbee> This is the situation with you today.
  109. [21:58] <@sexbee> You just don't realize it.
  110. [21:58] <RachelThompson> The things people laugh at is up to them.
  111. [21:58] <RachelThompson> You're the only person to use the word 'honor' in this conversation.
  112. [21:58] <RachelThompson> I don't speak in such ways.
  113. [21:58] <RachelThompson> (I used honor to mirror one of your points above)
  114. [21:58] <@sexbee> Correct.
  115. [21:58] <@sexbee> Honor is important to me. Again, we have different value systems.
  116. [21:58] <RachelThompson> You haven't defined what honor means
  117. [21:59] <@sexbee> I don't disagree. You care not for honor as a primary virtue.
  118. [21:59] <RachelThompson> I don't know what honor means to you
  119. [21:59] <RachelThompson> My values that are relevant in this space: transparency and accountability
  120. [21:59] <RachelThompson> These are values that are at the basis of the US Constitution
  121. [21:59] <RachelThompson> If you say stuff in a chatroom, I might copy and paste it
  122. [22:00] <RachelThompson> If that causes an emotion upon reception, I'll have a conversation with the person about that
  123. [22:00] <RachelThompson> But each person is ultimately responsible for the emotions they feel
  124. [22:00] <RachelThompson> That is a Buddhist value
  125. [22:00] <RachelThompson> We each create our own reality
  126. [22:00] <@sexbee> Are you a Buddhist?
  127. [22:01] <RachelThompson> In part
  128. [22:01] <RachelThompson> You didn't answer my question above
  129. [22:01] <RachelThompson> It's not useful to shoot worldview axioms past one another
  130. [22:01] <RachelThompson> It's useful to be specific about what we think and why
  131. [22:01] <RachelThompson> And direct questioning asking and answering allows us to elucidate the worldview structure of our chat partner
  132. [22:01] <RachelThompson> So that we can better understand their mind, our mind, and knowledge generally
  133. [22:01] <@sexbee> I'm not actually going to answer all your questions. I don't mean it in a rude way, I just choose not to answer certain questions.
  134. [22:01] <RachelThompson> I recommend we do that instead of saying 'honor'
  135. [22:02] <RachelThompson> That can be valid
  136. [22:02] <RachelThompson> So, here is my construction
  137. [22:02] <RachelThompson> 1 - People should not have an expectation of privacy in this chatroom, at least up to Dalnet people
  138. [22:02] <RachelThompson> 2 - Really, in the modern era, people should understand everything they say in this channel is probably forever logged at least one place on Earth
  139. [22:02] <RachelThompson> 3 - There is variation in humans
  140. [22:03] <RachelThompson> 4 - As a human, I have my perspective on things said in this channel
  141. [22:03] <@sexbee> lol
  142. [22:03] <RachelThompson> 5 - I find some things sufficiently noteworthy to make a record on Pastebin
  143. [22:03] <RachelThompson> 6 - Sometimes, I paste those Pastebins into the channel for a variety of reasons
  144. [22:03] <RachelThompson> Which part do you find objectionable
  145. [22:03] <@sexbee> As a human, I avail myself of the right not to answer all your questions.
  146. [22:04] <RachelThompson> We've agreed that is valid at "all"
  147. [22:04] <RachelThompson> Will you be answering any questions
  148. [22:04] <@sexbee> I have already answered several.
  149. [22:04] <RachelThompson> https://youtu.be/QSxv5IAxR0M?t=639
  150. [22:05] <RachelThompson> sexbee: Is it possible I have a better understanding of this situation than you
  151. [22:05] <RachelThompson> I think it's possible you have a better understanding than me
  152. [22:05] <RachelThompson> I will be able to estimate that through dialogue with you
  153. [22:07] <@sexbee> Whatever we discuss, I'm not going to have you autistically zeroing in on precise definitions of words, and I will dodge questions that force me to be very precise in order to provide you with a complete level of understanding that you may require.
  154. [22:07] <@sexbee> yes pheno, that was my thesis as well, which lani has rejected
  155. [22:08] <@sexbee> I believe nearly everyone but he sees this, at this point.
  156. [22:12] Ignored sexbee, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE sexbee
  157. [22:12] <RachelThompson> I ended my conversation with you, sexbee.
  158. [22:12] <RachelThompson> I don't find your perspective combined with your rigor to be useful for me at this time.
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