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  1. [19:43] <+layla-> back
  2. [19:43] * +Hedrin ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout)
  3. [19:43] <+layla-> otw to work now :)
  4. [19:44] <+layla-> ho providence
  5. [19:45] <+Providence> Hi
  6. [19:45] <+layla-> how are u
  7. [19:46] * QRT sets mode: -b *!*@ec2-54-84-174-95.compute-1.amazonaws.com
  8. [19:46] * AppleGirl sets mode: +b *!*@ec2-54-84-174-95.compute-1.amazonaws.com
  9. [19:46] <+layla-> may Allah guide u prov
  10. [19:48] <+Providence> Allah don't exist hun
  11. [19:49] * Banquo ([email protected]) has joined #christiandebate
  12. [19:49] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Banquo
  13. [19:49] <+Raven`X> Allah is a moon god isn't he?
  14. [19:49] <+Raven`X> Hi Banquo.
  15. [19:49] <+layla-> no
  16. [19:49] <+Banquo> Hey buddy
  17. [19:50] <+layla-> god of abraham, u n me
  18. [19:50] <+Banquo> i doubt all gods
  19. [19:50] <@barabbas`> layla- That would be God, not allah, since this is an English speaking Christian channel.
  20. [19:51] <@barabbas`> I doubt all... until proven. God has proven himself to me, so I no longer doubt.
  21. [19:51] <+layla-> Allah means god
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  23. [19:51] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Hedrin
  24. [19:51] <+layla-> the god
  25. [19:52] * AppleGirl sets mode: +l 71
  26. [19:52] <@barabbas`> Allah is also the name or title of the false deity of Islam. Like I said, this is an English speaking channel. To avoid confusion use the English term.
  27. [19:52] <+Raven`X> heh
  28. [19:53] <+Banquo> actually that just makes it more confusing, just let muslims use Allah if they're so inclined
  29. [19:53] <+Mabus> hmm
  30. [19:53] <+Mabus> allah is not just the name of god..
  31. [19:53] <+Mabus> its specifically the islamic god
  32. [19:53] <@barabbas`> If they use allah in the context of a Christian discussion, there is confusion.
  33. [19:53] <+Mabus> is anyone confused about that? :)
  34. [19:53] <+Mabus> thats true
  35. [19:53] <+Raven`X> Lets all remember this when certain ops and popular members start using Hebrew.
  36. [19:53] <+layla-> its not confusing
  37. [19:54] <+jesusisthetruth> barabbas`, from what i understand, Allah just means god so if they worshipped a cow as god then of course they would name it Allah
  38. [19:54] <+Mabus> raven, i'm sure there will be no confusion then :)
  39. [19:54] <@barabbas`> Hebrew is the language of the OT and some of the NT.
  40. [19:54] * +Piko ([email protected]) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
  41. [19:54] <+Mabus> barabbas yes but this is an english only channel :)
  42. [19:54] <+Providence> Can't even say Allah in here?
  43. [19:54] <@barabbas`> jesusisthetruth It all has to do with context.
  44. [19:54] <+Raven`X> But it is an english only channel.
  45. [19:54] <+Toph> actually Allah is also used for the Christian God in some languages
  46. [19:54] <+Raven`X> Right Toph, as Allah is arabic for God.
  47. [19:54] <@barabbas`> Mabus It is also a CHRISTIAN DEBATE channel. please respect this.
  48. [19:55] <+Mabus> barabbas of course
  49. [19:55] <+Providence> Yeah and how are you meant to debate properly if you can't differentiate
  50. [19:55] <+Toph> yes
  51. [19:55] <+layla-> rabb means god
  52. [19:55] <+Mabus> christian.. not jewish!!! :)
  53. [19:55] <+Providence> barabbas` is making rules up as he goes along just cuz
  54. [19:55] <+Banquo> i know
  55. [19:55] * +Jediael ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: rebooting brb - May the Force be with You... Always...)
  56. [19:55] <+Raven`X> More bullying tactics
  57. [19:55] <+jesusisthetruth> barabbas`, hagars god would be Allah so are muslims following hagars god as abrahams god or are they following the god of istrael
  58. [19:55] <+Banquo> yes Raven`X
  59. [19:55] <@barabbas`> I didn't make up the rules, they were created by the founder and posted.
  60. [19:56] <@barabbas`> Banquo, Raven`X Move on
  61. [19:55] * +Jediael ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: rebooting brb - May the Force be with You... Always...)
  62. [19:55] <+Raven`X> More bullying tactics
  63. [19:55] <+jesusisthetruth> barabbas`, hagars god would be Allah so are muslims following hagars god as abrahams god or are they following the god of istrael
  64. [19:55] <+Banquo> yes Raven`X
  65. [19:55] <@barabbas`> I didn't make up the rules, they were created by the founder and posted.
  66. [19:56] <@barabbas`> Banquo, Raven`X Move on
  67. [19:56] <+Providence> This is the first time I've ever heard that you can't say "Allah" in here. It's been used many times in many different debates
  68. [19:56] <+Raven`X> ^
  69. [19:56] <+Providence> With many different ops
  70. [19:56] <+Banquo> yup
  71. [19:56] <+Mabus> providence, indeed i've never had a problem
  72. [19:57] <@barabbas`> I didn't say you couldn't say allah, I said if you are going to speak of God, then use God, not Allah.
  73. [19:57] <+Mabus> otherwise you will be muted :)
  74. [19:57] <+Providence> Vintage barabbas`
  75. [19:57] <@barabbas`> Context will dictate the appropriate term
  76. [19:57] <+Banquo> to layla-, Allah IS God
  77. [19:57] <+Raven`X> Indeed.
  78. [19:57] * barabbas` sets mode: -v Providence
  79. [19:57] <+Banquo> wow
  80. [19:57] <@barabbas`> This is a Christian channel. If you don't want to respect this then leave.
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  82. [19:58] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Piko
  83. [19:58] <+Banquo> i dont think anybody was disrespecting that at all.
  84. [19:58] * +Toph ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
  85. [19:58] <+Mabus> indeed i think that rule is intended to avoid people carrying on conversations in other languages
  86. [19:59] <+Banquo> indeed Mabus
  87. [19:59] * QRT sets mode: -b *!*@*192.3.172.236
  88. [19:59] <+Mabus> i doubt sara intended to remove users who said a single unenglish word :)
  89. [19:59] * AppleGirl sets mode: -b *!*@*192.3.172.236
  90. [19:59] <+Raven`X> Quite, Mabus.
  91. [19:59] <@barabbas`> Depends on the context. To call on allah to bless someone in a Christian channel or context is a slur on God.
  92. [19:59] <+Mabus> umm
  93. [19:59] <+Banquo> no it isn't
  94. [20:00] <+Mabus> no.. it isn't
  95. [20:00] <+Mabus> its very respectful actually
  96. [20:00] <+Mabus> but since you mentioned that.... you are applying the wrong rule
  97. [20:00] <+Mabus> you applied the speach english in conversations rule
  98. [20:00] <+Mabus> so which is it?
  99. [20:00] <+layla-> god is what u think he is
  100. [20:01] <@barabbas`> In all things respect God. If you are defering to another deity, you are not respecting God. Nuff said.
  101. [20:01] <+Mabus> no one disrespected god
  102. [20:00] <+Mabus> no.. it isn't
  103. [20:00] <+Mabus> its very respectful actually
  104. [20:00] <+Mabus> but since you mentioned that.... you are applying the wrong rule
  105. [20:00] <+Mabus> you applied the speach english in conversations rule
  106. [20:00] <+Mabus> so which is it?
  107. [20:00] <+layla-> god is what u think he is
  108. [20:01] <@barabbas`> In all things respect God. If you are defering to another deity, you are not respecting God. Nuff said.
  109. [20:01] <+Mabus> no one disrespected god
  110. [20:01] <+Mabus> and there is no rule that i am aware of against defering to other gods
  111. [20:01] <+Mabus> thats certainly not covered in the english only rule
  112. [20:01] <+layla-> some people worship.money. his god is money
  113. [20:01] <+Mabus> which applies to conversations
  114. [20:01] <+layla-> god is subjectibe
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  117. [20:02] <+layla-> subjective*
  118. [20:02] <+Raven`X> So we can't refer to Zeus or Odin?
  119. [20:02] <@barabbas`> If you wish to discuss the love of money or following false gods like allah, be my guest. When you substitute the term allah or any other, where the term God is appropriate, then you have mocked God in a Christian context.
  120. [20:02] <+Raven`X> Or defer even.
  121. [20:02] <+Mabus> raven, i've no idea anymore.... he seems to be creating his own rules at the moment
  122. [20:03] <+Banquo> to layla- god and allah are the same thing
  123. [20:03] <+Banquo> soo....
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  126. [20:04] <@barabbas`> Simple rule of thumb. Before commenting ask yourself, WWJD, what would Jesus do. Would Jesus use the term allah in the context of your statement and this channel or not. If not, then don't use it.
  127. [20:04] <+layla-> yes thats true banquo
  128. [20:04] <+Mabus> as an atheist.. i couldn't care less what jesus would do
  129. [20:04] <+Mabus> so thats not particularly helpful
  130. [20:04] <+Mabus> how about we just stick to sarah's rules and not make them up as we go?
  131. [20:04] <+Banquo> i doubt jesus would use allah since he wasn't muslim, but he wouldn't make up rules to stop people from doing it eithe
  132. [20:04] <+Banquo> either
  133. [20:04] <@barabbas`> Mabus And that is the problem. When you set that tone in here, you are prone to dissrespecting God. That was my point.
  134. [20:05] <+Mabus> barabbas... what point... you took a perfectly calm happy atmosphere and made a mess all over the public channel
  135. [20:05] <+layla-> Allah is an arabic word for god
  136. [20:05] <+Mabus> the rules are supposed to prevent chaos
  137. [20:05] <+Mabus> not create it
  138. [20:05] <@barabbas`> Banquo: Thank you, Jesus wouldn't use allah since he wasn't Muslim and this is NOT a Muslim channel.
  139. [20:05] <+layla-> the god
  140. [20:05] <+Raven`X> I don't think layla- was disrespecting God.
  141. [20:05] <+Banquo> barabbas`: but he wouldn't make up rules to stop people from doing it either
  142. [20:06] <+Mabus> i see nothing wrong with a muslim, politely asking his god to bless christians
  143. [20:06] <+Mabus> its actually a friendly gesture
  144. [20:06] <+Banquo> i agree Mabus
  145. [20:06] * +ThatThat ([email protected]) has left #christiandebate
  146. [20:06] -> -Didache- Are you around?
  147. [20:06] <@barabbas`> Banquo: He threw down the money changers because they were dissrespecting the temple. I am sure he would have no problem throwing the dissrespectful out of here either.
  148. [20:06] <+Banquo> layla- was not being disrespectful at all
  149. [20:06] <+Raven`X> Who was being disrespectful?
  150. [20:06] <+Banquo> only barabbas` as far as i can tell
  151. [20:07] <+Mabus> chuck would have simply said thanks for blessing us, and moved on is my point
  152. [20:07] <+Mabus> anyway lets move on
  153. [20:07] <+layla-> barabbas that verse about jesus threw money down is mutashabihat :)
  154. [20:08] <+layla-> bible is allagorical not clear verses (muhkamat)
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  159. [20:09] * blue0ne sets mode: +v ThatThat
  160. [20:09] <+VirtualPreacher> that is not correct. portions of the bible are allegory and parable and poetry and prophecy with dramatic symbolism. other
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