Fem vs Bread

Bread vs Fem

R1
Bread
* Artemis cuts good
* Artemis is relatively strong
* Artemis is fast
* Artemis is fast EVEN while distracted
* Wererat lol lmao
* Artemis scales to fast person
* Spidey is strong
* Spidey is fast
* Spidey is tough
* Spiedy can fly and is agile
* Muteba is strong
* Muteba is a dirty fighter
* Muteba is durable and fast
- Enemy team slow
- Enemy team not skilled
TL:DR Bread's team utilizes their agility, mobility and/or stealth in order to kill Fem's much slower team.

Fem
* Aqualad uses electricity + cutting + flails
* Aqualad strong + fast + tough
* Aqualad has a very long range.
* Aqualad can insta-gib anyone without electricity or cutting durability
* Guts strong + fast + tough
* Guts has high tolerance and is hard to put down.
* Strode is strong  and fast and tough
* Method reading
* Fem's team will run at opponents and hit them (all of them do this), Bread's team will not actually fight in the same spot. This leads to a defeat in detail situation Fem describes.
- Enemy team does not have the circumstance to abuse stealth
- Enemy team's skill advantage doesn't matter
TL:DR Bread's team fighting asymmetrically will lead to them naturally spreading up, while Fem's team will stick together leading to situations involving defeat in detail.

R2
Bread
- Luther's speed is fake
- Luther is actively bad at fighting
- Luther's anti-stealth hinges on him having prior awareness.
- Artemis' piercing > Luthor's cutting durability
- Kengan Scaling
- Luther's durability is suspect and perhaps even conditional.
- Aqualad is visually slow
- Aqualad's range advantage is blown out of proportion
- Aqualad has no good piercing durability
- Guts' speed is oversold
- Charon claw counters healing
+ Muteba is not gonna just let himself fight a 1v3
+ Stealth ganking
+ Spidey can bamboozle enemies with holograms
+ Artemis' stealth was only countered by literally a person with super senses.
+ Bread's team contains a tactical advantage through stealth + trickery

Fem
+ Bread's argument about 'this is not quantifiable' does not work if the same is applied to him.
+ Visually slow is fake and makes no sense in context of any worldbuilding
**keep in mind that sword speeds are generally superior to hand movement speeds.** <- Fem, I need a source on this.
+ Guts is fast though and has fast feats.
- Miguel's speed while not outright fake, is inconsistent.
- The speed scaling presented is really dubious.
+ Team Fem has superior stats to Team Bread
- Team Bread's stealth does have its weaknesses.
+ Strode is actually skilled
+ Team Bread basically has no great options to commit

R3
Bread
+ Artemis fast
- Apply the same logic Fem does and Guts basically has zero speed
+ Drizzt Feat good
- Fem's argument of anti-feats on Bread's part only would be true if Bread was trying to argue him as faster, but he isn't.
+ It is not an anti-feat if this instance of showing is the only example of interactable instance
+ Miguel can fly without having to care
+ Muteba speed scaling
- The spear feat
- Strode stuff
- Visually slow is not fake
- Bread calling into question for sourcing Fem's claim
- Guts' speed is not as good as presented.
- Team Fem slow + do not abuse speed
+ Ash walls
- Aqualad might just suck at anti-stealth.
- Luther might also just suck at anti-stealth
+ Aqualad is not as strong as presented or at least, is inconsistent
- Strode < Waka who Muteba pierced
- Fem's team does not feasibly act against stealth
+ Bread's team isn't going to act in the worst case scenario

Fem
+ Guts can casually swing his sword, it legit doesn't matter.
+ Strode feat. Again.
+ Fem saying why visually slow does not make sense in-universe.
+ Fem team fast
+ Aqualad good at catching stealth
- Miguel for all his versatility only does like one thing IC
- Muteba gets in range not at all
- Muteba legit has no durability
- Muteba might just suck
+ detection feats good
- Fem on why the Drizzt feat is not actually that great
- Entrei plays a high risk, basically low reward game. Even if he gets a kill, he will die immediately for it.

Conclusion:
So I'll admit, I ping-ponged a lot of times over the course of this debate, but I am gonna give it at the end to Fem. There was a lot of sus feat interpretation here and there (the spear throw being bad) or Fem randomly saying sword swings are faster than fists without actually providing any relevant precedence why that is true. (I am not discrediting it as false immediately btw, but I will admit to verbally going: 'wait what?' when I read that sentence. It is not something that seems intuitive, but I am not going to outright decry it as false).

What I think ultimately takes it is Fem's last response. While I was about to say Aqualad might be trash tier, he does point out one thing. VISUALLY SLOW does not make sense in context of universe, and I think while that is enough, he could have added on icing to the cake that it is not intuitive or sensible in context for a show to have everything be fast that the viewers can't actually appreciate what is going on. Ultimately, Fem saves Aqualad from being a dead weight pick and also points out that despite how good Miguel is on paper, he is not in actual practice. Muteba was legitimately really bad in context and while I am in the opinion Artemis is good, he is not good in this particular instance.

Winner is Fem.