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- Hello.
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- Yeah.
- 3
- 00:00:14,306 --> 00:00:17,351
- Uh, we're going to go
- on a mission right now.
- 4
- 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,812
- Uh, so will you come with me?
- 5
- 00:00:22,648 --> 00:00:23,691
- Oh.
- 6
- 00:00:23,899 --> 00:00:25,026
- You will.
- 7
- 00:00:32,575 --> 00:00:33,993
- So I'm going down
- the street, and I get a hit.
- 8
- 00:00:35,453 --> 00:00:36,620
- Heath, Heath, Heath...
- 9
- 00:00:36,829 --> 00:00:38,914
- and, sure enough,
- the next day, I said,
- 10
- 00:00:39,123 --> 00:00:40,249
- "I'm going to hear about
- something...Heath.
- 11
- 00:00:40,458 --> 00:00:41,208
- There's something going on."
- 12
- 00:00:41,417 --> 00:00:42,543
- The next day, I got your email.
- 13
- 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:50,718
- I honestly think
- that the earth is off axis.
- 14
- 00:00:50,926 --> 00:00:51,886
- I think there's something
- 15
- 00:00:52,094 --> 00:00:57,433
- that is universally
- out of alignment...
- 16
- 00:00:57,641 --> 00:00:58,809
- with what happened.
- 17
- 00:00:59,018 --> 00:01:02,730
- I'm not supposed to be
- talking about this with you.
- 18
- 00:01:02,938 --> 00:01:03,814
- This is...
- 19
- 00:01:04,023 --> 00:01:05,691
- This isn't supposed
- to be being made.
- 20
- 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,443
- This is fucked up.
- 21
- 00:01:07,651 --> 00:01:08,944
- Like, this is not something
- 22
- 00:01:09,153 --> 00:01:10,946
- that is supposed
- to be happening right now.
- 23
- 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:14,742
- ♪ I'm tearing up ♪
- 24
- 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:18,162
- Heath was
- the most alive human...
- 25
- 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:21,248
- and if it wasn't on the edge,
- it didn't interest him.
- 26
- 00:01:21,457 --> 00:01:25,836
- If there wasn't a risk,
- some type of risk involved,
- 27
- 00:01:26,045 --> 00:01:28,130
- he had no time for it.
- 28
- 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:32,009
- He went all the way out
- in the time that he had.
- 29
- 00:01:32,218 --> 00:01:33,928
- He went all the way to the edge.
- 30
- 00:01:36,055 --> 00:01:39,183
- Some people
- are just bigger than...
- 31
- 00:01:42,103 --> 00:01:43,062
- the world has room for.
- 32
- 00:01:44,647 --> 00:01:46,774
- ♪ Still alive who you love ♪
- 33
- 00:01:52,822 --> 00:01:54,865
- ♪ Still alive who you love ♪
- 34
- 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:02,414
- He already
- had this vision
- 35
- 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:03,999
- as to where he was going to be.
- 36
- 00:02:04,208 --> 00:02:06,877
- He had these little shiny stars
- on the ceiling
- 37
- 00:02:07,086 --> 00:02:08,337
- that he put up
- in this old house.
- 38
- 00:02:08,546 --> 00:02:10,923
- He said, you know,
- "That's where I'm going to be."
- 39
- 00:02:11,132 --> 00:02:13,843
- He said, "I'm going
- to be in the film industry,"
- 40
- 00:02:14,051 --> 00:02:15,553
- and he said, "I'm going
- to be a film actor."
- 41
- 00:02:17,555 --> 00:02:18,347
- Heath used to follow
- 42
- 00:02:18,556 --> 00:02:19,682
- his sister Kate, you know,
- 43
- 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,226
- all her productions
- that she was at at school.
- 44
- 00:02:22,434 --> 00:02:26,897
- Heath being in the front row
- like this, for every single one.
- 45
- 00:02:27,106 --> 00:02:28,190
- "That's what I want to do.
- 46
- 00:02:28,399 --> 00:02:29,400
- I can't wait
- 'til I can do that."
- 47
- 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:34,029
- He excelled
- in everything he did.
- 48
- 00:02:34,238 --> 00:02:36,448
- Chess was his biggest passion.
- 49
- 00:02:37,741 --> 00:02:39,702
- "Please,
- just let me win one game.
- 50
- 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:42,997
- Why are you just, like,
- thinking of it at this level?"
- 51
- 00:02:43,205 --> 00:02:44,832
- Great at art,
- 52
- 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,375
- amazing athlete...
- 53
- 00:02:46,584 --> 00:02:47,918
- Heath used to get into scraps.
- 54
- 00:02:48,127 --> 00:02:48,794
- He was a good fighter.
- 55
- 00:02:51,714 --> 00:02:53,132
- I remember the conversations
- 56
- 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:54,842
- about Heath wanting
- to leave school
- 57
- 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:56,760
- and travel across Australia.
- 58
- 00:02:56,969 --> 00:02:58,846
- I was quite shocked
- at the time because he was 17.
- 59
- 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:01,348
- It was like trying
- to settle a wild stallion
- 60
- 00:03:01,557 --> 00:03:02,474
- at the time.
- 61
- 00:03:02,683 --> 00:03:04,476
- You may as well
- make a friend of them
- 62
- 00:03:04,685 --> 00:03:07,021
- and support them
- as best you can and love them,
- 63
- 00:03:07,229 --> 00:03:09,148
- and let's hope
- that everything turns out.
- 64
- 00:03:09,356 --> 00:03:12,193
- I've got nothing
- to run away from in Perth.
- 65
- 00:03:12,401 --> 00:03:13,277
- I love my family.
- 66
- 00:03:13,485 --> 00:03:15,196
- I love my friends.
- I love the city.
- 67
- 00:03:15,404 --> 00:03:18,073
- It's just there was all this
- going on outside of that,
- 68
- 00:03:18,282 --> 00:03:19,658
- and I just had to be part of it.
- 69
- 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:21,660
- Heath and Trevor,
- 70
- 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:23,037
- they were out
- to conquer the world,
- 71
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- the two of them.
- 72
- 00:03:24,830 --> 00:03:27,499
- Pretty much waited for the day
- for me to finish school,
- 73
- 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:29,126
- and he was like,
- "Let's go to Sydney."
- 74
- 00:03:31,045 --> 00:03:32,630
- It was literally
- jumping in our car
- 75
- 00:03:32,838 --> 00:03:35,341
- and planting the foot down
- and just bolting out.
- 76
- 00:03:35,549 --> 00:03:37,927
- I wanted to just get out there
- and do it.
- 77
- 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:40,137
- ♪ March, march ♪
- 78
- 00:03:41,305 --> 00:03:42,514
- ♪ Said march, march ♪
- 79
- 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:44,516
- From there,
- things moved on pretty quick.
- 80
- 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:47,186
- ♪ Fists in the air
- as we march on ♪
- 81
- 00:03:47,394 --> 00:03:48,312
- We're going to Bondi.
- 82
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- We're just starting there.
- 83
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- Roll together.
- 84
- 00:03:50,564 --> 00:03:51,690
- Come on in, boys and girls.
- 85
- 00:03:51,899 --> 00:03:52,983
- You get what you want.
- 86
- 00:03:53,192 --> 00:03:54,026
- He took me
- to all these auditions,
- 87
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- all these interviews...
- 88
- 00:03:55,527 --> 00:03:56,987
- Never asked.
- He just did it.
- 89
- 00:03:57,196 --> 00:04:00,241
- He got a role
- in an American TV series, Roar.
- 90
- 00:04:00,449 --> 00:04:02,034
- He had the lead role.
- 91
- 00:04:02,243 --> 00:04:03,244
- Action!
- 92
- 00:04:03,452 --> 00:04:04,620
- You'll be lucky
- if you live that long.
- 93
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- Great. Cut!
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- Now he's an actor.
- It was serious.
- 95
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- We went to the Gold Coast.
- 96
- 00:04:09,124 --> 00:04:11,252
- We were put up in a two-
- bedroom high-rise apartment
- 97
- 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:12,628
- overlooking the ocean.
- 98
- 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:15,089
- Money, as a 17-year-old,
- was impressive.
- 99
- 00:04:15,297 --> 00:04:16,340
- "Wow, here we are."
- 100
- 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:19,718
- Everything
- kept moving forward.
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- 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:20,803
- Hello.
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- 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:21,720
- Lisa was a real woman,
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- very classy.
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- He looked up to her.
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- 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:26,475
- They fell in love
- really quickly.
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- 00:04:26,684 --> 00:04:27,601
- She guided him.
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- 00:04:27,810 --> 00:04:29,061
- She could see
- the potential in him.
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- 00:04:29,270 --> 00:04:30,521
- Lisa, where are we going?
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- She took his hand
- and opened a lot of doors.
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- He followed her from Australia.
- 111
- 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,443
- She was, like, "Come to L.A."
- 112
- 00:04:36,652 --> 00:04:38,028
- Dumb-looking photo.
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- 00:04:38,237 --> 00:04:39,154
- ♪ We march on ♪
- 114
- 00:05:05,055 --> 00:05:07,599
- I never moved there
- expecting anything to happen.
- 115
- 00:05:09,143 --> 00:05:10,311
- I kind of went there
- with the attitude
- 116
- 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,229
- of "Well,
- I've got nothing to lose."
- 117
- 00:05:14,565 --> 00:05:16,692
- Heath arrived at some odd hour,
- 118
- 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:19,737
- and he turns around
- and looks at me with a big smile
- 119
- 00:05:19,945 --> 00:05:21,530
- and says "Hello!"
- 120
- 00:05:21,739 --> 00:05:22,698
- Of course,
- the first thing I noticed
- 121
- 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:24,992
- was his gigantic smile.
- 122
- 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,371
- My roommate, Lisa Zane,
- knew, in her words,
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- 00:05:29,580 --> 00:05:30,622
- that he was going to clean up,
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- 00:05:30,831 --> 00:05:33,542
- meaning
- be successful in Hollywood.
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- 00:05:33,751 --> 00:05:36,045
- I think
- she was the first to know that.
- 126
- 00:05:37,796 --> 00:05:40,382
- Hello.
- How was your day?
- 127
- 00:05:40,591 --> 00:05:41,925
- Oh, it was fun.
- 128
- 00:05:43,093 --> 00:05:45,512
- There's a book called
- The Sentimental Education,
- 129
- 00:05:45,721 --> 00:05:49,350
- and I feel
- that's what he got from Lisa.
- 130
- 00:05:52,728 --> 00:05:55,606
- Lisa took him
- to the Venice Carnevale...
- 131
- 00:05:58,025 --> 00:05:59,568
- and they shot
- 8-millimeter film...
- 132
- 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:03,614
- and would wear the costumes...
- 133
- 00:06:05,741 --> 00:06:06,909
- and, to me,
- 134
- 00:06:07,117 --> 00:06:08,827
- that was a part of what
- created him as an actor.
- 135
- 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:13,957
- I gave him my friend's script,
- 10 Things I Hate About You.
- 136
- 00:06:17,211 --> 00:06:18,754
- He read the script and said,
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- 00:06:18,962 --> 00:06:21,048
- "I really like
- the role of Patrick,"
- 138
- 00:06:21,256 --> 00:06:23,509
- and I said,
- "Isn't Patrick the lead?"
- 139
- 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:26,720
- He said,
- "Yes, Patrick's the lead,
- 140
- 00:06:26,929 --> 00:06:28,514
- and that's the part I want,"
- 141
- 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:31,308
- and when he came back
- from the audition,
- 142
- 00:06:31,517 --> 00:06:33,852
- he said, "I got Patrick,"
- 143
- 00:06:34,061 --> 00:06:36,939
- and I was like, "Really?
- You got the lead?"
- 144
- 00:06:37,147 --> 00:06:41,777
- and that's when I realized
- that Heath was...
- 145
- 00:06:41,985 --> 00:06:42,778
- different.
- 146
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- No offence or anything.
- 147
- 00:06:44,655 --> 00:06:46,240
- I mean, I know everyone
- digs your sister,
- 148
- 00:06:46,448 --> 00:06:48,409
- but, um...
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- she's without.
- 150
- 00:07:02,256 --> 00:07:03,340
- Maybe we should do
- this another time.
- 151
- 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:19,773
- Sometimes
- people break through
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- 00:07:19,982 --> 00:07:21,775
- because of one thing,
- 153
- 00:07:21,984 --> 00:07:24,403
- whether it's good looks
- or talent or timing or...
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- 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:25,904
- you know, who knows,
- 155
- 00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:28,282
- but he sort of had
- everything down.
- 156
- 00:07:30,576 --> 00:07:33,203
- One of the most powerful things
- for an actor,
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- 00:07:33,412 --> 00:07:34,997
- particularly for a man,
- is their voice...
- 158
- 00:07:35,205 --> 00:07:36,540
- I've thrown a football, what,
- 159
- 00:07:36,748 --> 00:07:37,833
- a few times in my life, so...
- 160
- 00:07:38,041 --> 00:07:40,002
- And their physicality...
- 161
- 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:42,671
- And their, you know,
- level of masculinity,
- 162
- 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,840
- and he had all of those things
- in spades.
- 163
- 00:07:53,682 --> 00:07:54,933
- There was a bunch of kids
- 164
- 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:56,185
- staying in a hotel.
- 165
- 00:07:56,393 --> 00:07:58,020
- Everyone had their own suites,
- 166
- 00:07:58,228 --> 00:07:59,480
- and he brought everyone
- together,
- 167
- 00:07:59,688 --> 00:08:02,357
- so by the time I got there,
- the parties were in his room.
- 168
- 00:08:02,566 --> 00:08:05,068
- 10 Things
- was when he really felt
- 169
- 00:08:05,277 --> 00:08:07,529
- that, "Okay, this is my career.
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- 00:08:07,738 --> 00:08:09,198
- I'm an actor now."
- 171
- 00:08:11,116 --> 00:08:13,243
- By then,
- he had his agent, Steve.
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- 00:08:13,452 --> 00:08:14,411
- He knew the industry,
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- 00:08:14,620 --> 00:08:15,829
- but he didn't really
- know the industry.
- 174
- 00:08:16,038 --> 00:08:18,582
- He'd only been in it
- for 18 months.
- 175
- 00:08:20,626 --> 00:08:21,710
- It was
- pretty early in my career.
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- 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:24,004
- You know, he was
- one of my early clients.
- 177
- 00:08:24,213 --> 00:08:27,549
- He was looking for people
- that he could trust.
- 178
- 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:31,094
- Home to sleep.
- 179
- 00:08:35,557 --> 00:08:36,725
- It was just obvious.
- 180
- 00:08:36,934 --> 00:08:38,936
- He just had
- this great swagger about him.
- 181
- 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:41,438
- So how long have
- you been acting?
- 182
- 00:08:41,647 --> 00:08:43,232
- About...
- 183
- 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:45,901
- 20 years.
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- 00:08:46,109 --> 00:08:48,570
- How old are you?
- 185
- 00:08:48,779 --> 00:08:49,947
- 20.
- 186
- 00:08:50,155 --> 00:08:52,616
- You could tell we were going
- to be on to something.
- 187
- 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:54,076
- So one of the things
- that happens
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- 00:08:54,284 --> 00:08:56,912
- is when you're good
- at something in a movie,
- 189
- 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,331
- everyone offers you
- that same thing.
- 190
- 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:01,667
- So he did a great job
- 191
- 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,962
- being in a teen romantic
- comedy, basically,
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- 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:07,172
- and so anything that, you know,
- 193
- 00:09:07,381 --> 00:09:09,299
- sort of resembled
- 10 Things I Hate About You
- 194
- 00:09:09,508 --> 00:09:10,884
- came his way,
- 195
- 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:14,805
- and, of course, that's exactly
- what he didn't want to do next.
- 196
- 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:17,516
- He wanted to mix it up
- and find a new challenge.
- 197
- 00:09:19,309 --> 00:09:23,063
- That moment
- was a very important next step.
- 198
- 00:09:23,272 --> 00:09:25,107
- "Okay, what do we want
- to do next?
- 199
- 00:09:25,315 --> 00:09:28,610
- What do we really want to do
- if we have a choice?"
- 200
- 00:09:28,819 --> 00:09:31,071
- People in Hollywood,
- they don't like to hear "no,"
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- 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,489
- you know...
- 202
- 00:09:32,698 --> 00:09:35,409
- and so I had a lot of fun
- saying "no."
- 203
- 00:09:35,617 --> 00:09:36,702
- He was always very friendly.
- 204
- 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:40,122
- He never seemed
- out of sorts about it,
- 205
- 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,165
- but he knew what he didn't want.
- 206
- 00:09:42,374 --> 00:09:44,960
- He was always very appreciative
- 207
- 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:49,381
- of coming to a house
- full of art and artists.
- 208
- 00:09:51,717 --> 00:09:52,759
- I am filming
- right now.
- 209
- 00:09:57,014 --> 00:09:58,307
- He got this camera,
- 210
- 00:09:58,515 --> 00:10:01,143
- and he didn't know what to do
- other than to make something.
- 211
- 00:10:01,351 --> 00:10:03,604
- It wasn't just to film us
- and film what we were doing.
- 212
- 00:10:03,812 --> 00:10:07,941
- He was, like, creating
- something straight away.
- 213
- 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:12,446
- He always used to say to me,
- "Don't forget your camera,"
- 214
- 00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:14,698
- and I was like, "What am I going
- to film between here and there?"
- 215
- 00:10:14,906 --> 00:10:18,076
- and he was like, "I don't care.
- You could film your feet."
- 216
- 00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:20,912
- But we'd watch
- a lot of our videos back.
- 217
- 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:23,749
- He was just... curious,
- and watching it, and, like,
- 218
- 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:25,375
- thinking how
- he could do things different.
- 219
- 00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:27,669
- That's how he learned.
- 220
- 00:10:27,878 --> 00:10:29,046
- He never studied...
- 221
- 00:10:29,254 --> 00:10:30,756
- anything, really.
- 222
- 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:33,175
- He was self-taught.
- 223
- 00:10:33,383 --> 00:10:35,093
- He could really see
- what he was doing
- 224
- 00:10:35,302 --> 00:10:37,346
- and how to do that better
- or different...
- 225
- 00:10:38,472 --> 00:10:39,640
- Hmm.
- 226
- 00:10:39,848 --> 00:10:40,849
- Even if it
- was the way he smiled
- 227
- 00:10:41,058 --> 00:10:42,100
- or where he was looking,
- 228
- 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:45,103
- he'd make a lot of things
- just for himself,
- 229
- 00:10:45,312 --> 00:10:46,563
- just to teach himself.
- 230
- 00:10:48,857 --> 00:10:50,317
- That's right...
- 231
- 00:10:50,525 --> 00:10:52,194
- And evil
- super-villains.
- 232
- 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:53,695
- Evil super-villains.
- 233
- 00:10:53,904 --> 00:10:55,072
- ... civilian men and women...
- 234
- 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,615
- Who?
- 235
- 00:10:59,534 --> 00:11:00,911
- Got it, boss.
- 236
- 00:11:01,119 --> 00:11:01,912
- Let's go!
- 237
- 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,581
- Okay, I've got my mission.
- 238
- 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:05,874
- We're at the peephole.
- 239
- 00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:09,961
- You never know
- who's out there waiting.
- 240
- 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:10,962
- Okay.
- 241
- 00:11:20,764 --> 00:11:21,390
- Hey.
- 242
- 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:28,230
- Did they know?
- 243
- 00:12:25,162 --> 00:12:28,707
- Okay, he's not there.
- 244
- 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:30,125
- Let's keep on looking.
- 245
- 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:32,002
- Down here.
- 246
- 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,338
- Good Lord.
- 247
- 00:13:16,546 --> 00:13:17,923
- It was an effort.
- 248
- 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:20,258
- Thank God I made it.
- 249
- 00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:22,594
- What's this? A message?
- 250
- 00:13:22,803 --> 00:13:24,513
- It must be from him.
- 251
- 00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:26,306
- Oh, my God...
- 252
- 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:47,410
- The screen test for The Patriot
- came up with Mel Gibson,
- 253
- 00:13:47,619 --> 00:13:49,913
- who's the biggest
- Australian movie star.
- 254
- 00:13:50,121 --> 00:13:51,915
- That was one of his idols,
- 255
- 00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:54,793
- and he loved,
- you know, Mad Max and...
- 256
- 00:13:55,001 --> 00:13:57,796
- It was a huge,
- huge thing for him.
- 257
- 00:13:58,004 --> 00:14:01,049
- It was an actual screen test
- and costume on the set
- 258
- 00:14:01,258 --> 00:14:02,384
- with the main star.
- 259
- 00:14:04,094 --> 00:14:05,720
- I was halfway
- through the second scene
- 260
- 00:14:05,929 --> 00:14:07,138
- that I had to read for them,
- 261
- 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,683
- and words were just bluhblbl,
- coming out like this,
- 262
- 00:14:09,891 --> 00:14:12,853
- and so I just stopped
- and stood up
- 263
- 00:14:13,061 --> 00:14:14,104
- and I said, "I'm sorry.
- I'm wasting your time."
- 264
- 00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:17,107
- Heath called me and said,
- 265
- 00:14:17,315 --> 00:14:18,733
- "They're not calling you
- on this one.
- 266
- 00:14:18,942 --> 00:14:20,569
- I just didn't do well,"
- 267
- 00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:22,988
- and it was something,
- enough there
- 268
- 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,866
- that Roland Emmerich
- and the studio and Mel
- 269
- 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:28,410
- all looked at each other
- and, I think, said,
- 270
- 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:29,953
- "You know, let's take a shot."
- 271
- 00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:35,292
- So this is, um,
- first day shooting.
- 272
- 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,793
- This is the first day
- on The Patriot for me.
- 273
- 00:14:37,002 --> 00:14:38,295
- I'm looking forward to it.
- 274
- 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:40,380
- It's been three months since
- I found out I got this job,
- 275
- 00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:43,008
- and finally, after three months
- of sitting around
- 276
- 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,092
- thinking about it,
- 277
- 00:14:44,301 --> 00:14:45,635
- I get to go out there
- and do it.
- 278
- 00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,220
- This is it.
- 279
- 00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:51,016
- So...
- 280
- 00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:52,893
- Blink my eyes,
- and it'll be out there.
- 281
- 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:57,314
- Guys, guys,
- Heath's here, guys.
- 282
- 00:14:57,522 --> 00:14:58,356
- Everybody look alive.
- 283
- 00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:07,490
- It was a huge production.
- 284
- 00:15:09,034 --> 00:15:11,369
- It was a little terrifying
- 285
- 00:15:11,578 --> 00:15:14,331
- to be in another city
- with no friends,
- 286
- 00:15:14,539 --> 00:15:17,042
- and you're just sitting there
- on your own.
- 287
- 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,628
- It's a lonely life.
- 288
- 00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:20,879
- Cut.
- 289
- 00:15:21,087 --> 00:15:22,797
- That's why he took me
- to most places
- 290
- 00:15:23,006 --> 00:15:24,174
- is that it was us.
- 291
- 00:15:27,385 --> 00:15:28,511
- Hee hee hee hee.
- 292
- 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:31,598
- We met riding our bikes
- 293
- 00:15:31,806 --> 00:15:32,682
- out in the street,
- 294
- 00:15:32,891 --> 00:15:35,644
- and we just became
- best friends.
- 295
- 00:15:35,852 --> 00:15:39,147
- We felt...
- at home together.
- 296
- 00:15:39,356 --> 00:15:43,193
- You could tell that he was...
- he wanted to do a good job.
- 297
- 00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:47,572
- He was still learning.
- 298
- 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:57,916
- I'm not going back.
- 299
- 00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:01,252
- No, I didn't
- expect you would.
- 300
- 00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:07,676
- That Gates is a damn fool.
- 301
- 00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:11,805
- He spent too many years
- in the British army.
- 302
- 00:16:12,013 --> 00:16:14,516
- Going muzzle to muzzle with
- Redcoats in open field...
- 303
- 00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:15,850
- it's madness.
- 304
- 00:16:16,059 --> 00:16:18,103
- He called me one day
- from the set,
- 305
- 00:16:18,311 --> 00:16:19,896
- really upset.
- 306
- 00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:26,111
- He was having a hard time,
- and he was struggling,
- 307
- 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:28,613
- just a crisis of confidence.
- 308
- 00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:38,790
- He was probably, in his head,
- 309
- 00:16:38,999 --> 00:16:40,500
- he's standing across
- from his idol,
- 310
- 00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:42,794
- acting with Mel Gibson.
- 311
- 00:16:43,003 --> 00:16:45,255
- For a young Aussie kid,
- it was a lot.
- 312
- 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,217
- He would get caught up
- in the fear
- 313
- 00:16:49,426 --> 00:16:51,428
- of whether or not
- he could accomplish
- 314
- 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:53,847
- what he wanted to do.
- 315
- 00:16:54,055 --> 00:16:55,849
- He kind of almost pulled out
- of every movie
- 316
- 00:16:56,057 --> 00:16:58,309
- he ever ended up doing.
- 317
- 00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:04,107
- It's kind of
- a rule of thumb for me
- 318
- 00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:05,942
- to self-doubt,
- 319
- 00:17:06,151 --> 00:17:07,318
- always think
- that I shouldn't be doing it,
- 320
- 00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:08,445
- and I don't know how to do it,
- 321
- 00:17:08,653 --> 00:17:10,363
- and I'm going to fail,
- 322
- 00:17:10,572 --> 00:17:12,490
- and that I fooled them,
- 323
- 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,993
- and I always try
- and find a way out.
- 324
- 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:20,999
- And he got past it,
- 325
- 00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:21,916
- and Mel was great.
- 326
- 00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,334
- Mel was so generous with him
- 327
- 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:24,711
- and really took him
- under his wing
- 328
- 00:17:24,919 --> 00:17:26,963
- and was amazing.
- 329
- 00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:28,173
- I'm sorry.
- 330
- 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:29,716
- Be quiet.
- 331
- 00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:31,926
- I'll take care of you.
- You're going to be all right.
- 332
- 00:17:32,135 --> 00:17:33,470
- Father...
- 333
- 00:17:35,638 --> 00:17:39,267
- I'm sorry... about Thomas.
- 334
- 00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:44,773
- Mel really taught him
- 335
- 00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:46,191
- how to come in and out
- of a character.
- 336
- 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,613
- He definitely learned
- how to relax a little,
- 337
- 00:17:51,821 --> 00:17:53,782
- rather than building himself
- up of, like,
- 338
- 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:56,451
- "I've got this scene,
- and I've got to do this."
- 339
- 00:17:58,369 --> 00:18:01,790
- I think Mel was
- the first teacher that he had.
- 340
- 00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,209
- Heath used to say to me,
- "It's not what Mel says.
- 341
- 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,335
- It's what he doesn't say."
- 342
- 00:18:14,844 --> 00:18:16,096
- It's good.
- I'm happy to be finished.
- 343
- 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:17,597
- It was long.
- 344
- 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:20,391
- It was really fun, though,
- and they're really great people,
- 345
- 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,562
- and I'm going to catch
- a plane in two hours.
- 346
- 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,190
- Mel had said,
- "Well, I'm taking my jet.
- 347
- 00:18:27,398 --> 00:18:28,358
- Do you guys want
- to come with me?"
- 348
- 00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,860
- Mel Gibson's inviting us
- on his jet...
- 349
- 00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:35,740
- and, all of a sudden,
- there we are,
- 350
- 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:37,909
- with Mel on his jet,
- 351
- 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:40,370
- cruising back to L.A.
- 352
- 00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:42,413
- It was definitely,
- definitely a moment.
- 353
- 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,682
- So we were always
- going on adventures
- 354
- 00:19:00,890 --> 00:19:02,725
- and looking
- for the next adventure
- 355
- 00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:04,561
- that was exciting and fun.
- 356
- 00:19:07,272 --> 00:19:09,149
- He'd finished a film.
- 357
- 00:19:09,357 --> 00:19:10,275
- He had downtime.
- 358
- 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:12,068
- We went to Burning Man in '99.
- 359
- 00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:21,703
- Oh, cool.
- 360
- 00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:28,418
- We were excited
- 361
- 00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:30,003
- because we knew
- nothing about it.
- 362
- 00:19:31,171 --> 00:19:31,796
- Cool.
- 363
- 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:37,635
- The creativity
- that exists there
- 364
- 00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:40,638
- and the ability to ride bikes
- morning, noon, and night...
- 365
- 00:19:42,265 --> 00:19:43,183
- I think Burning Man
- 366
- 00:19:43,391 --> 00:19:44,726
- was Heath's favorite place
- on Earth.
- 367
- 00:19:49,355 --> 00:19:50,356
- Do you want
- a whiskey, Trevor?
- 368
- 00:19:50,565 --> 00:19:51,232
- I'd love a whiskey.
- 369
- 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:53,026
- Whiskey.
- 370
- 00:19:53,234 --> 00:19:55,987
- Whiskey and hot dogs.
- Nice.
- 371
- 00:19:56,196 --> 00:19:58,323
- It was a bunch
- of half-naked people
- 372
- 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:00,617
- and dance music 24-7,
- 373
- 00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:04,329
- and we fit in really well.
- 374
- 00:20:11,461 --> 00:20:14,047
- Heath lived every moment
- to the fullest.
- 375
- 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:24,766
- He was always looking to create
- something out of the situation.
- 376
- 00:20:30,438 --> 00:20:31,231
- Cool...
- 377
- 00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:32,523
- You see?
- 378
- 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:37,403
- He was an artist.
- 379
- 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:39,656
- He loved to paint.
- He loved to draw.
- 380
- 00:20:39,864 --> 00:20:42,742
- Cameras
- were a big passion of his.
- 381
- 00:20:42,951 --> 00:20:44,869
- He knew the lighting
- that was available.
- 382
- 00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:47,789
- He knew the speed of the film
- that was in his camera
- 383
- 00:20:47,997 --> 00:20:50,667
- and what he could set it at
- without using a light meter.
- 384
- 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:55,630
- The cameras were a part of him.
- 385
- 00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:12,313
- Heath and I
- had mutual friends,
- 386
- 00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:13,398
- so it was a setup.
- 387
- 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:16,109
- We met,
- 388
- 00:21:16,317 --> 00:21:18,027
- and that was it.
- 389
- 00:21:18,236 --> 00:21:19,028
- That was it.
- 390
- 00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:24,284
- There were always
- cameras around...
- 391
- 00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:25,618
- a video camera,
- 392
- 00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:28,997
- or a Polaroid camera,
- or the film camera.
- 393
- 00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:32,750
- I was amazed when I saw
- all of the stuff together...
- 394
- 00:21:35,044 --> 00:21:37,171
- and how many photographs...
- 395
- 00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:39,674
- I mean, he was
- documenting everything.
- 396
- 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:42,677
- He was just surrounded
- 397
- 00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:46,264
- by all of those moments
- he was in,
- 398
- 00:21:46,472 --> 00:21:47,765
- and then surrounded by them,
- 399
- 00:21:47,974 --> 00:21:49,684
- but then he'd be capturing
- the next moment
- 400
- 00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:52,437
- and the next moment, you know,
- and the next moment.
- 401
- 00:21:54,105 --> 00:21:55,565
- Didn't stop.
- It never stopped...
- 402
- 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,864
- and the way
- he was able to be in the moment
- 403
- 00:22:03,072 --> 00:22:05,450
- and then capture the moment
- on the camera...
- 404
- 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:12,290
- He just got you
- in your most authentic self.
- 405
- 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,375
- You know, he really got me.
- 406
- 00:22:14,584 --> 00:22:17,170
- I think that's a beautiful thing
- 407
- 00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:20,298
- because he's saying, you know,
- through his photographs,
- 408
- 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,133
- "I see you."
- 409
- 00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:28,806
- The art was more of a need,
- almost,
- 410
- 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:33,394
- to live in the world
- and then capture the world.
- 411
- 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:37,398
- He would draw on it
- or scratch on it
- 412
- 00:22:37,607 --> 00:22:39,317
- or use crayon or nail polish.
- 413
- 00:22:41,152 --> 00:22:43,905
- He wanted to take it all
- with him.
- 414
- 00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:53,748
- That's the only way
- I think of him,
- 415
- 00:22:53,956 --> 00:22:55,375
- with the camera
- in the hand.
- 416
- 00:22:57,168 --> 00:23:00,088
- That was just Heath.
- 417
- 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:06,386
- His mates from Perth,
- 418
- 00:23:06,594 --> 00:23:08,679
- they were
- a very close, warm,
- 419
- 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:13,101
- loving, you know,
- tight group of friends,
- 420
- 00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:16,896
- and he loved
- having them around.
- 421
- 00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:19,565
- Okay, so I take the 101 south.
- 422
- 00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,692
- He had, like,
- 15 years of friendship
- 423
- 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:24,529
- with kids that we went
- to kindergarten with
- 424
- 00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,197
- that we'd graduated
- high school with.
- 425
- 00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,658
- Heath always kept them close.
- 426
- 00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:32,161
- I was privileged
- enough to go over
- 427
- 00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:35,123
- and see how his life was,
- 428
- 00:23:35,331 --> 00:23:37,250
- and it was
- incredibly enticing,
- 429
- 00:23:37,458 --> 00:23:38,584
- incredibly alluring.
- 430
- 00:23:38,793 --> 00:23:40,420
- Oh, my goodness,
- this has to be, like,
- 431
- 00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:43,089
- the world
- that everyone wants to live.
- 432
- 00:23:43,297 --> 00:23:44,674
- Kane Manera
- from The Strokes...
- 433
- 00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:47,510
- I think it was the first trip,
- 434
- 00:23:47,718 --> 00:23:48,886
- driving around, and he says,
- 435
- 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:50,096
- "I've got to go
- to a friend's house."
- 436
- 00:23:50,304 --> 00:23:51,556
- Knock on the door,
- 437
- 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:52,640
- and he's got this, like,
- 438
- 00:23:52,849 --> 00:23:56,185
- slightly cheeky look
- on his face.
- 439
- 00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:57,186
- Door opens.
- 440
- 00:23:57,395 --> 00:23:59,897
- Naomi Campbell answers.
- 441
- 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:02,024
- I still have Naomi Campbell
- pictures on my wall
- 442
- 00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:03,151
- at this point.
- 443
- 00:24:04,861 --> 00:24:06,237
- So I'm doing my best job
- of just...
- 444
- 00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:09,031
- "Hey, how are ya?
- Nice to meet you,"
- 445
- 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,032
- and I'm thinking,
- 446
- 00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:11,075
- "I guess
- this is what Heath does.
- 447
- 00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:12,535
- This is how it is now.
- 448
- 00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:13,953
- Just rolls
- to Naomi Campbell's house."
- 449
- 00:24:17,498 --> 00:24:19,041
- Heath! Heath!
- 450
- 00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:24,839
- Heath's place was renowned
- 451
- 00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:27,758
- for having a stream
- 452
- 00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:30,011
- of Australian actors
- and whatnots
- 453
- 00:24:30,219 --> 00:24:31,053
- living there.
- 454
- 00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:33,014
- Casting directors would ask you,
- 455
- 00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:36,184
- "And are you one of the Aussies
- that lives at Heath's place?"
- 456
- 00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:41,939
- Yeah, we lived
- in Los Feliz in this house
- 457
- 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:43,941
- where the doors were just open,
- 458
- 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,194
- and people would come
- and stay.
- 459
- 00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:50,615
- Joel Edgerton and Heath
- were close friends early on,
- 460
- 00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,867
- and he came over,
- and Martin Henderson...
- 461
- 00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:54,118
- I did.
- 462
- 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:55,286
- Rose Byrne,
- 463
- 00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,455
- Gregor Jordan,
- you know, the director...
- 464
- 00:24:57,663 --> 00:24:59,582
- You would never know
- who's staying at Heath's house.
- 465
- 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,752
- Everyone and anyone
- was welcome, you know?
- 466
- 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,588
- He had such generosity
- of spirit.
- 467
- 00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:08,591
- It's just miraculous,
- the energy...
- 468
- 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,801
- him, arms open, as always.
- 469
- 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:13,471
- The Australian thing,
- to me, was like,
- 470
- 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:14,972
- yeah, come one, come all,
- you know?
- 471
- 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:16,307
- Like, hang out.
- 472
- 00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:18,309
- Let's make this fun.
- 473
- 00:25:18,518 --> 00:25:20,686
- People would stay a long time,
- sometimes.
- 474
- 00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:21,687
- It was...
- 475
- 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:23,314
- a bit longer than necessary,
- 476
- 00:25:23,523 --> 00:25:24,941
- but, um, but it was fun.
- 477
- 00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:28,069
- You've flown around the world.
- 478
- 00:25:28,277 --> 00:25:31,906
- Staying somewhere in L.A.
- for a couple of months?
- 479
- 00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,492
- That... phew... costs a lot,
- 480
- 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,455
- and I had nothing going on
- work-wise.
- 481
- 00:25:39,664 --> 00:25:40,456
- Nothing.
- 482
- 00:25:40,665 --> 00:25:42,166
- It sort of didn't matter.
- 483
- 00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:46,337
- Upstairs, they had
- a couple turntables.
- 484
- 00:25:46,546 --> 00:25:47,755
- They had a DJ setup.
- 485
- 00:25:47,964 --> 00:25:49,632
- "Come in.
- We're going to do this.
- 486
- 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,801
- What do you feel like?
- Just chill out.
- 487
- 00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:53,302
- Oh, this is my record room.
- This is the sunroom.
- 488
- 00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:55,763
- Have you heard of Nick Drake?
- You've got to listen to this."
- 489
- 00:25:55,972 --> 00:25:57,598
- Puts it on, boom....
- 490
- 00:25:57,807 --> 00:26:00,434
- At his house,
- he had a big record collection,
- 491
- 00:26:00,643 --> 00:26:01,686
- and he could have a big party,
- 492
- 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:04,355
- and he would always be
- at the music.
- 493
- 00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:07,149
- Music was definitely something
- that was in him
- 494
- 00:26:07,358 --> 00:26:08,859
- that he... he loved.
- 495
- 00:26:11,988 --> 00:26:13,906
- With him, it was just
- friends to hang out with
- 496
- 00:26:14,115 --> 00:26:17,243
- and share the journey.
- 497
- 00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:21,330
- He was very big
- on sharing his success.
- 498
- 00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:23,374
- Heath's place
- in L.A. was sort of
- 499
- 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:27,545
- a renowned pre-Entourage
- kind of entourage house.
- 500
- 00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:31,132
- In fact,
- when I was staying there,
- 501
- 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:34,969
- Adrian Grenier was there
- at one of these nights.
- 502
- 00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:37,972
- There was a bit of drinking
- and carrying on going on.
- 503
- 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:39,599
- Then I often fancy
- 504
- 00:26:39,807 --> 00:26:42,768
- that he was doing
- a bit of research
- 505
- 00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:45,938
- on a functioning entourage,
- 506
- 00:26:46,147 --> 00:26:47,732
- 'cause Heath wasn't there,
- 507
- 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,775
- so, you know, "Vinnie,"
- as it were,
- 508
- 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,402
- would've been away
- making a film.
- 509
- 00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,577
- There were times
- people were there, he wasn't.
- 510
- 00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:01,370
- I mean, he was on a set
- somewhere, working on a movie,
- 511
- 00:27:01,579 --> 00:27:02,413
- you know, in Europe,
- 512
- 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:04,498
- and his house was full.
- 513
- 00:27:41,077 --> 00:27:42,161
- We were in Prague.
- 514
- 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,038
- For the first time,
- we're really in Europe,
- 515
- 00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:45,623
- and we're living there.
- 516
- 00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:48,709
- We're there for pre-production.
- 517
- 00:27:51,545 --> 00:27:52,505
- Knight's Tale
- 518
- 00:27:52,713 --> 00:27:54,674
- was an interesting moment
- in his career.
- 519
- 00:27:54,882 --> 00:27:56,258
- Amy Pascal, who runs Sony
- at the time,
- 520
- 00:27:56,467 --> 00:27:59,970
- really, really loved Heath
- and appreciated him
- 521
- 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:01,514
- and wanted him in everything.
- 522
- 00:28:03,766 --> 00:28:04,809
- Hyah!
- 523
- 00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:05,893
- Forward!
- 524
- 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:07,269
- Hyah!
- 525
- 00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:19,323
- Heath really gave
- an incredible amount of dignity
- 526
- 00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:20,574
- to his characters,
- 527
- 00:28:20,783 --> 00:28:24,078
- even in a film
- that's as sort of whimsical
- 528
- 00:28:24,286 --> 00:28:25,079
- and light, in its way,
- 529
- 00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:26,288
- as A Knight's Tale.
- 530
- 00:28:26,497 --> 00:28:31,168
- It's very hard to be
- as solid as he was.
- 531
- 00:28:31,377 --> 00:28:32,920
- You know, at first,
- it was a shock.
- 532
- 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,422
- You know, I read it.
- 533
- 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:37,508
- "Queen, 'We Will Rock You,'
- rises as they enter the arena."
- 534
- 00:28:37,717 --> 00:28:39,552
- I think I almost
- closed the script on that line
- 535
- 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,512
- because I was thinking,
- oh, it's one of those movies
- 536
- 00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:43,139
- that's trying to, you know,
- mix the two,
- 537
- 00:28:43,347 --> 00:28:46,475
- but as I read further into it,
- it explained itself.
- 538
- 00:28:46,684 --> 00:28:48,519
- The rock 'n' roll music
- destroys any barriers
- 539
- 00:28:48,728 --> 00:28:50,354
- that are restricting us
- to historical truths.
- 540
- 00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:52,148
- You know, it's a fairy tale.
- 541
- 00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:53,649
- We want the audience
- to walk in there
- 542
- 00:28:53,858 --> 00:28:55,234
- and to be transported.
- 543
- 00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:11,625
- We went to Sony
- for a marketing meeting
- 544
- 00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:12,877
- on A Knight's Tale.
- 545
- 00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:15,713
- Studio president,
- studio executives
- 546
- 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:17,965
- were all there, doing their job,
- 547
- 00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:19,717
- excited about the film,
- excited about Heath...
- 548
- 00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:20,926
- very excited about Heath.
- 549
- 00:29:24,972 --> 00:29:26,849
- The poster and the campaign
- was "He Will Rock You."
- 550
- 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:28,851
- It was really built on Heath,
- 551
- 00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:31,937
- you know, the images,
- Heath's face...
- 552
- 00:29:32,146 --> 00:29:33,147
- he looks like a rock star,
- 553
- 00:29:33,355 --> 00:29:34,774
- and the tag line,
- "He Will Rock You,"
- 554
- 00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:36,484
- and those posters
- were all over the city,
- 555
- 00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:38,152
- all over Los Angeles.
- 556
- 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,488
- He was, like,
- "Whoa, that's my face."
- 557
- 00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:43,073
- The posters were everywhere.
- 558
- 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,534
- He knew
- that would be projecting him
- 559
- 00:29:45,743 --> 00:29:47,953
- into the limelight.
- 560
- 00:29:48,162 --> 00:29:49,747
- There was a moment
- 561
- 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:52,500
- where they talked about Heath
- was going to go city by city
- 562
- 00:29:52,708 --> 00:29:54,627
- and talk about the movie,
- 563
- 00:29:54,835 --> 00:29:57,379
- and, you know, he was going
- to be the secret weapon.
- 564
- 00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:03,636
- William!
- 565
- 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,727
- I could see him getting more
- and more upset, you know?
- 566
- 00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:12,937
- We were sitting
- next to each other,
- 567
- 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:14,438
- and I kinda,
- out of the corner of my eye,
- 568
- 00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:16,982
- could tell he was getting very
- uncomfortable and fidgeting,
- 569
- 00:30:17,191 --> 00:30:20,027
- and he finally whispered to me
- that he needed to leave,
- 570
- 00:30:20,236 --> 00:30:21,862
- he needed to get out
- of the room for a second,
- 571
- 00:30:22,071 --> 00:30:25,282
- "Can you excuse me?"
- and he got up.
- 572
- 00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:27,284
- I followed him.
- 573
- 00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:29,161
- He was in the bathroom.
- 574
- 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:31,413
- ...Sitting there
- just freaking out,
- 575
- 00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:33,582
- working out what the hell
- he was gonna do,
- 576
- 00:30:33,791 --> 00:30:35,042
- trying to stick to his guns.
- 577
- 00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:38,295
- There's this thing
- in Australia
- 578
- 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,589
- called the tall poppy syndrome,
- you know?
- 579
- 00:30:40,798 --> 00:30:43,634
- If one grows too high,
- whsst,
- 580
- 00:30:43,843 --> 00:30:45,970
- you get cut down back to size,
- 581
- 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:49,306
- and, as an Australian,
- you identify with it.
- 582
- 00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:51,725
- If you do get too successful,
- 583
- 00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:53,018
- it's sort of,
- there's something that's...
- 584
- 00:30:53,227 --> 00:30:54,270
- You feel ugly.
- 585
- 00:30:56,397 --> 00:30:57,398
- Being a salesman
- 586
- 00:30:57,606 --> 00:30:58,816
- and going out
- and talking about the movie
- 587
- 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,109
- and selling the film,
- 588
- 00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:01,944
- that was
- the part of the business
- 589
- 00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:04,446
- that I think he was
- least comfortable with...
- 590
- 00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:06,156
- Really, really
- had a hard time with.
- 591
- 00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:08,701
- He wanted fame...
- 592
- 00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:10,744
- And then when he got it,
- he didn't want it.
- 593
- 00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:16,083
- He was mortified,
- and he felt owned.
- 594
- 00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:17,668
- His image, not their image...
- 595
- 00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,921
- Him, his face,
- his heart, his soul.
- 596
- 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:24,341
- I remember he told me,
- "I'm not gonna be that guy.
- 597
- 00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:26,302
- I have no interest
- in being that guy.
- 598
- 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:28,596
- I'm not that guy,
- and I'll show you."
- 599
- 00:31:28,804 --> 00:31:31,599
- Hey, do you
- know what you did?
- 600
- 00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:33,309
- Do you know what you did?
- 601
- 00:31:33,517 --> 00:31:35,394
- Are you listening to me?
- 602
- 00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:37,396
- Do you know
- what you did?
- 603
- 00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:39,273
- Do you know what you did?
- 604
- 00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:40,608
- You fucked him up!
- 605
- 00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:44,695
- He gets to come in,
- play this role,
- 606
- 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:46,155
- and break your heart.
- 607
- 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,744
- In the script Monster's Ball,
- he felt there was a journey
- 608
- 00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:56,415
- that would take him
- to another place, another level.
- 609
- 00:31:56,624 --> 00:32:02,296
- He saw something about himself
- that attracted him,
- 610
- 00:32:02,504 --> 00:32:04,048
- that he wanted
- to experiment with,
- 611
- 00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:05,966
- he wanted to play with,
- 612
- 00:32:06,175 --> 00:32:08,886
- and that gave him
- a perfect opportunity.
- 613
- 00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:26,654
- He's a supporting role,
- 614
- 00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:27,780
- but I remember him
- 615
- 00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,407
- more than anything else
- in the movie,
- 616
- 00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:31,450
- and he didn't do much.
- 617
- 00:32:31,659 --> 00:32:34,370
- He was sort of deadpan,
- you know?
- 618
- 00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:36,538
- He didn't do a lot
- of busy performances.
- 619
- 00:32:36,747 --> 00:32:38,582
- That's the power
- of Heath Ledger,
- 620
- 00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:42,419
- even when he was young,
- even as a supporting actor,
- 621
- 00:32:42,628 --> 00:32:45,005
- he will steal the movie,
- steal the whole show.
- 622
- 00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:47,925
- It sort of turned
- things a little bit,
- 623
- 00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:51,136
- and people viewed him
- a slightly different way,
- 624
- 00:32:51,345 --> 00:32:53,681
- a little bit more
- of a dramatic actor.
- 625
- 00:32:53,889 --> 00:32:56,475
- When I read Spider-Man,
- I talked to him about it,
- 626
- 00:32:56,684 --> 00:32:58,811
- and he was almost immediate
- that he said,
- 627
- 00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:00,020
- "That makes no sense for me.
- 628
- 00:33:00,229 --> 00:33:02,564
- I can't possibly
- be Peter Parker."
- 629
- 00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:03,941
- He was looking, always,
- 630
- 00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:06,568
- for something that was
- gonna be truly challenging,
- 631
- 00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:07,903
- to try to figure out ways
- 632
- 00:33:08,112 --> 00:33:10,572
- that he could absolutely
- disappear into a character
- 633
- 00:33:10,781 --> 00:33:12,199
- and almost be unrecognizable.
- 634
- 00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,035
- That's what really drove him.
- 635
- 00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:22,292
- In his process of picking
- what film he was gonna do,
- 636
- 00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,378
- most of that came
- from who was directing it.
- 637
- 00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:26,547
- Shekhar was a director
- 638
- 00:33:26,755 --> 00:33:28,632
- that he always wanted
- to work with.
- 639
- 00:33:30,384 --> 00:33:34,221
- He recommended Heath,
- myself...
- 640
- 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:38,225
- We go out in the desert
- by ourselves.
- 641
- 00:33:38,434 --> 00:33:40,686
- You know, just the two of us.
- 642
- 00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:46,900
- Heath stood there,
- looking down the valley,
- 643
- 00:33:47,109 --> 00:33:51,447
- and we both
- just started yelling,
- 644
- 00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:55,784
- trying to see how far
- your voice will carry.
- 645
- 00:33:55,993 --> 00:33:57,578
- It's you and the desert.
- 646
- 00:33:57,786 --> 00:34:00,039
- You're forced
- to look at yourself.
- 647
- 00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:01,707
- The impression
- you have of yourself
- 648
- 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:02,875
- when you look in the mirror
- 649
- 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:04,334
- is up to you.
- 650
- 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:07,046
- You can see
- whatever you want to see,
- 651
- 00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:09,965
- and you can be
- whoever you want to be.
- 652
- 00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:14,970
- He was really
- at the start of a journey
- 653
- 00:34:15,179 --> 00:34:18,140
- that was a lot more focused
- as an artist.
- 654
- 00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:22,519
- Acting is learning
- about the life around you
- 655
- 00:34:22,728 --> 00:34:24,229
- and the person you are.
- 656
- 00:34:24,438 --> 00:34:26,356
- You can learn all the techniques
- in the world,
- 657
- 00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,233
- but if you know nothing
- about life and yourself,
- 658
- 00:34:28,442 --> 00:34:30,652
- then you're at a loss.
- 659
- 00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:32,196
- And since
- we have to believe it,
- 660
- 00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,031
- for us, for the audience
- to believe
- 661
- 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,533
- what you're putting out there,
- 662
- 00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:39,161
- you must believe it yourself.
- 663
- 00:34:39,369 --> 00:34:44,333
- I will not be responsible
- for your death.
- 664
- 00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:47,169
- How could you be responsible
- for my death?
- 665
- 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:54,426
- I will die
- if it is God's will...
- 666
- 00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:57,513
- Yes?
- 667
- 00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:02,226
- That film was a bit
- of a soul-searching.
- 668
- 00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:04,061
- We all grew from that film.
- 669
- 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:09,066
- He told me that when
- they wrapped his character,
- 670
- 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:12,402
- he stood in the middle
- of the whole set
- 671
- 00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:14,947
- and collapsed.
- 672
- 00:35:27,584 --> 00:35:30,712
- I'd been asked to
- do this movie called Ned Kelly.
- 673
- 00:35:30,921 --> 00:35:32,589
- A small role,
- 674
- 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:36,343
- but I was interested
- because of Heath.
- 675
- 00:35:36,552 --> 00:35:39,388
- I thought he was really
- a powerful young actor.
- 676
- 00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:45,811
- I remember the first day on-set,
- and I was blown away.
- 677
- 00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:49,565
- I just felt an incredible
- connection very quickly,
- 678
- 00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:54,361
- so intense that it was
- sort of quite shocking.
- 679
- 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,535
- We connected about acting,
- 680
- 00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:03,912
- and he saw the work
- that I was putting in
- 681
- 00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:05,497
- and also working
- with a dialect coach
- 682
- 00:36:05,706 --> 00:36:07,166
- and acting coaches,
- 683
- 00:36:07,374 --> 00:36:08,584
- and he was looking
- to change it up.
- 684
- 00:36:10,544 --> 00:36:14,464
- His approach to his work
- was always very intense.
- 685
- 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:16,425
- He had the voice down.
- 686
- 00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:20,512
- He had these sort of
- intense eyes.
- 687
- 00:36:23,223 --> 00:36:27,519
- It takes some real focus
- to make that shift
- 688
- 00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:30,522
- into the world of what
- he felt was more artistic.
- 689
- 00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:36,486
- He really, truly was an artist.
- 690
- 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:39,198
- We knew his visual talent
- from the photography,
- 691
- 00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:42,868
- but I didn't know that
- it was going to get so serious.
- 692
- 00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:47,497
- He called me,
- 693
- 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,166
- and he was like,
- "Man, I've got this idea,
- 694
- 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:50,500
- and we're gonna
- make this video."
- 695
- 00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:53,212
- I'm thinking,
- "You've got so much to do.
- 696
- 00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:55,130
- How do you have time
- to consider me?
- 697
- 00:36:55,339 --> 00:36:56,340
- How do you have time
- to think about this?
- 698
- 00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:58,550
- How do you even
- have the care?"
- 699
- 00:36:58,759 --> 00:37:00,010
- That's what was going on
- in my head
- 700
- 00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:01,845
- while he's talking me
- through this idea.
- 701
- 00:37:02,054 --> 00:37:04,223
- "How? How do you do this?
- 702
- 00:37:04,431 --> 00:37:06,516
- How do you stay so active?
- How do you stay so interested?
- 703
- 00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:08,769
- How do you burn so bright
- all the time?"
- 704
- 00:37:08,977 --> 00:37:10,854
- It's just how he always was,
- 705
- 00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:13,607
- and I was more than happy
- to be one of his test subjects
- 706
- 00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:15,150
- towards becoming a director...
- 707
- 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:16,276
- Ca use an effect...
- 708
- 00:37:16,485 --> 00:37:17,361
- ...And let's just do it.
- 709
- 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,446
- Let's just grab a camera
- and shoot.
- 710
- 00:37:22,616 --> 00:37:25,077
- Okay, let's
- do your eye.
- 711
- 00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:25,911
- All right.
- 712
- 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,371
- So let's get on with it.
- 713
- 00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:28,372
- ♪ Hum ♪
- 714
- 00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:29,498
- ♪ Hum ♪
- 715
- 00:37:29,706 --> 00:37:31,750
- ♪ Hum hum hum ♪
- 716
- 00:37:31,959 --> 00:37:35,003
- Yeah.
- ♪ Hum hum hum hum hum ♪
- 717
- 00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:36,463
- Let's do it.
- 718
- 00:37:36,672 --> 00:37:38,966
- Throw ya hands
- in the sky with me
- 719
- 00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:41,718
- Put 'em up like a dirty cop
- told ya to freeze
- 720
- 00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:43,679
- Now close ya hands
- to a fist and squeeze
- 721
- 00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:46,056
- If you represent freedom
- and you fight for peace
- 722
- 00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:47,182
- It's the all-out fallout
- 723
- 00:37:47,391 --> 00:37:48,433
- I'll come if you call
- 724
- 00:37:48,642 --> 00:37:49,601
- Run with it quick
- I'm fitted fit
- 725
- 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:50,978
- More fit than 'em all
- 726
- 00:37:51,186 --> 00:37:53,063
- More fitter than them
- busty booty MILFs at the mall
- 727
- 00:37:53,272 --> 00:37:54,147
- Milk leakin' out the tit
- 728
- 00:37:54,356 --> 00:37:55,524
- I pounce quick and I maul
- 729
- 00:37:55,732 --> 00:37:57,693
- Them baller cats
- need to sit back on the bench
- 730
- 00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:00,153
- N'fa's the fresh breath
- amongst the virulent stench
- 731
- 00:38:00,362 --> 00:38:01,071
- The violence won't end
- 732
- 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,489
- I document with Biro or pen
- 733
- 00:38:02,698 --> 00:38:04,074
- Blood leaking
- while they're freaking
- 734
- 00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:05,575
- I'm performing
- and trying to take it in
- 735
- 00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:07,703
- and trying to impress my mate.
- 736
- 00:38:07,911 --> 00:38:10,330
- Despite who he is to the world,
- he's still my mate,
- 737
- 00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:12,666
- and I'm trying to impress that
- and get him going,
- 738
- 00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:13,875
- and he's getting me going.
- 739
- 00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:18,171
- Throw ya hands
- in the sky with me
- 740
- 00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:20,882
- Put 'em up like a dirty cop
- told ya to freeze
- 741
- 00:38:21,091 --> 00:38:22,467
- Now close ya hands
- to a fist and squeeze
- 742
- 00:38:22,676 --> 00:38:25,095
- The louder he got,
- the more into it I got.
- 743
- 00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:27,806
- I grab my balls
- and I spit on the floor
- 744
- 00:38:28,015 --> 00:38:30,058
- Throw a fist for freedom
- to shock all y'all
- 745
- 00:38:30,267 --> 00:38:31,268
- No 50/50
- 746
- 00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:32,644
- If you ain't with me
- then fuck all y'all
- 747
- 00:38:32,853 --> 00:38:33,812
- If ya with me
- let me hear ya roar
- 748
- 00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:35,105
- Come on now
- 749
- 00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:36,606
- If he wants me
- to bark at me what to do,
- 750
- 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:37,733
- Imma take it,
- 751
- 00:38:37,941 --> 00:38:40,527
- because the best guy
- in the planet
- 752
- 00:38:40,736 --> 00:38:42,529
- is telling me how to be better.
- 753
- 00:38:42,738 --> 00:38:44,823
- If you represent freedom
- and you fight for peace
- 754
- 00:38:45,032 --> 00:38:46,450
- To work with one
- of my very best friends
- 755
- 00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:47,659
- and do something creative,
- 756
- 00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:49,286
- like, there's not much better
- than that.
- 757
- 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,413
- Now close ya hands
- to a fist and squeeze
- 758
- 00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:54,041
- If you represent freedom
- and you fight for peace
- 759
- 00:39:01,882 --> 00:39:02,507
- It's big today.
- 760
- 00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:04,926
- They're there, huh?
- 761
- 00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:06,178
- That's Skip charging.
- 762
- 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:15,896
- Shit, dude.
- 763
- 00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:17,731
- My first concern
- 764
- 00:39:17,939 --> 00:39:19,733
- when I heard that he wanted
- to play the part
- 765
- 00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:22,944
- was I kind of really wanted
- more of a character actor,
- 766
- 00:39:23,153 --> 00:39:23,987
- in a way.
- 767
- 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,574
- Philip Seymour Hoffman
- looked more like Skip,
- 768
- 00:39:27,783 --> 00:39:30,202
- then Heath Ledger is, like,
- a heartthrob or whatever.
- 769
- 00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:31,328
- I'm like, "Wait a minute.
- 770
- 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,789
- I don't know
- if this is gonna work."
- 771
- 00:39:33,997 --> 00:39:35,624
- Heath, he came in
- and talked to me,
- 772
- 00:39:35,832 --> 00:39:37,542
- how he would really
- get into that character
- 773
- 00:39:37,751 --> 00:39:39,086
- and craft it,
- 774
- 00:39:39,294 --> 00:39:43,382
- and he decided he had to get
- teeth made like Skip's teeth...
- 775
- 00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,467
- Back to the boneyard
- for you, pal.
- 776
- 00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:48,303
- ...So that he would feel
- that he was Skip
- 777
- 00:39:48,512 --> 00:39:50,222
- and talk the way Skip talked.
- 778
- 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:53,475
- This interest in the exterior
- and the craft
- 779
- 00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:56,269
- and the way that the characters
- would look and sound
- 780
- 00:39:56,478 --> 00:39:58,897
- and physically look onscreen,
- 781
- 00:39:59,106 --> 00:40:00,816
- he was sort of a painter
- in that way,
- 782
- 00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:03,485
- but he also had a psychological
- interest in his characters.
- 783
- 00:40:03,693 --> 00:40:04,986
- Oh, nice socks, man.
- 784
- 00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:06,488
- Nice socks, nice socks.
- 785
- 00:40:06,696 --> 00:40:08,031
- If you don't have
- a sense of play
- 786
- 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,574
- and if you're too serious,
- 787
- 00:40:09,783 --> 00:40:12,327
- the odds are you're gonna be
- too much of a tightass
- 788
- 00:40:12,536 --> 00:40:15,872
- to create characters.
- 789
- 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:16,832
- Skip Engblom
- 790
- 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,459
- and the Zephyr
- skateboard team.
- 791
- 00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:20,502
- Here's our entry fees.
- 792
- 00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:22,254
- Now, where's
- our trophies?
- 793
- 00:40:22,462 --> 00:40:23,672
- I don't think
- he would be afraid
- 794
- 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,715
- to try any acting technique.
- 795
- 00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:27,050
- He had a confidence,
- 796
- 00:40:27,259 --> 00:40:30,262
- but he wasn't afraid
- to go and check the monitor
- 797
- 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,222
- and watch playback afterwards.
- 798
- 00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,771
- He wanted to keep exploring
- with it and pushing it.
- 799
- 00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:42,482
- He knew that he'd get it right
- when the time came.
- 800
- 00:40:42,691 --> 00:40:45,277
- Well, Heath was just so open
- and curious
- 801
- 00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:47,821
- and absorbing
- everything around him.
- 802
- 00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:52,159
- He fully transformed himself.
- 803
- 00:40:52,367 --> 00:40:54,828
- He has a wig, he has the teeth,
- 804
- 00:40:55,036 --> 00:40:58,248
- and he just slides
- into this crazy other skin.
- 805
- 00:41:02,878 --> 00:41:04,963
- One thing that
- I don't think people realize,
- 806
- 00:41:05,172 --> 00:41:07,466
- as fantastic as he was
- in Brokeback Mountain,
- 807
- 00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:10,677
- he left Lords of Dogtown
- 808
- 00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:14,389
- and was playing that role
- about seven days later.
- 809
- 00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:16,016
- Come on,
- you fuckin' homo.
- 810
- 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:20,479
- I probably fancied
- that I was staying in character
- 811
- 00:41:20,687 --> 00:41:24,107
- by teasing him about going
- to do this gay cowboy movie,
- 812
- 00:41:24,316 --> 00:41:27,152
- and I said one...
- 813
- 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,614
- one ribbing too much
- about the Brokeback,
- 814
- 00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:33,742
- and he just gave me this look.
- 815
- 00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:36,953
- It was like, "shut the fuck up,"
- 816
- 00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:41,583
- and I realized, I was like...
- 817
- 00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:46,546
- And, um, I didn't say anything
- about it afterwards.
- 818
- 00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:00,101
- Before Brokeback Mountain
- came out,
- 819
- 00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:01,478
- it would've been unthinkable
- 820
- 00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:07,234
- to have a romantic tragedy
- involving two gay cowboys,
- 821
- 00:42:07,442 --> 00:42:11,196
- which are the very symbol
- of American masculinity.
- 822
- 00:42:32,175 --> 00:42:36,012
- This is one of the biggest
- heartthrobs on Earth
- 823
- 00:42:36,221 --> 00:42:39,057
- taking on that character.
- 824
- 00:42:39,266 --> 00:42:43,436
- That's balls,
- and that's an artist.
- 825
- 00:42:48,525 --> 00:42:50,402
- When his name
- popped up from casting,
- 826
- 00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:53,363
- I did have a little hesitation.
- 827
- 00:42:53,572 --> 00:42:56,032
- I didn't know at that time
- if he can carry a movie,
- 828
- 00:42:56,241 --> 00:42:59,327
- which is what he needs to do
- in Brokeback Mountain.
- 829
- 00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:01,371
- Monster's Ball
- is really the reason
- 830
- 00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:03,915
- I chose him
- for Brokeback Mountain.
- 831
- 00:43:04,124 --> 00:43:05,000
- I was that impressed.
- 832
- 00:43:07,752 --> 00:43:09,462
- The bottom line is,
- 833
- 00:43:09,671 --> 00:43:11,548
- we're around each other,
- 834
- 00:43:11,756 --> 00:43:16,469
- and this thing
- grabs hold of us again
- 835
- 00:43:16,678 --> 00:43:21,266
- in the wrong place
- and the wrong time,
- 836
- 00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:22,267
- then we're dead.
- 837
- 00:43:23,768 --> 00:43:25,145
- The self-hatred
- and complexity,
- 838
- 00:43:25,353 --> 00:43:26,938
- that just caught me right away.
- 839
- 00:43:27,147 --> 00:43:28,398
- He clenched his fists
- 840
- 00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,692
- and biting his teeth
- the whole time.
- 841
- 00:43:32,444 --> 00:43:34,904
- There was no doubt in his mind
- 842
- 00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:36,906
- he was that person.
- 843
- 00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:39,951
- If you can find
- that character in you,
- 844
- 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,038
- then that's your success.
- 845
- 00:43:43,246 --> 00:43:44,456
- That's golden.
- 846
- 00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:46,625
- That's...that's the magic.
- 847
- 00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:50,003
- Ennis, I wanted him
- to be clenched,
- 848
- 00:43:50,211 --> 00:43:52,297
- and I wanted his mouth
- to be a clenched fist,
- 849
- 00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:53,590
- and I wanted the words
- 850
- 00:43:53,798 --> 00:43:55,759
- to be just punching
- their way out from within,
- 851
- 00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:59,554
- and just any form of expression
- had to be painful.
- 852
- 00:43:59,763 --> 00:44:02,515
- Heath played a character
- that was very few words.
- 853
- 00:44:02,724 --> 00:44:05,101
- That's the impression
- people get.
- 854
- 00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:06,311
- That's why he's a good actor.
- 855
- 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,647
- He has the most lines
- in the movie,
- 856
- 00:44:08,855 --> 00:44:12,025
- but he just say it
- like a man with few words.
- 857
- 00:44:12,233 --> 00:44:15,570
- He just has to while...
- doing those lines.
- 858
- 00:44:18,865 --> 00:44:20,450
- I don't like actor
- to look at monitor,
- 859
- 00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:23,703
- 'cause I think actor
- is to be seen
- 860
- 00:44:23,912 --> 00:44:27,207
- and the monitor is
- for filmmakers to look at,
- 861
- 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:28,500
- the viewers to look at,
- 862
- 00:44:28,708 --> 00:44:30,627
- and when these actors
- look at themselves,
- 863
- 00:44:30,835 --> 00:44:31,795
- it messes up
- their performances.
- 864
- 00:44:32,003 --> 00:44:33,129
- It's too aware.
- 865
- 00:44:33,338 --> 00:44:36,466
- I've never had anybody
- argue with me on that one,
- 866
- 00:44:36,675 --> 00:44:38,927
- but Heath is the only person...
- 867
- 00:44:39,135 --> 00:44:40,804
- He would just walk up
- to the camera.
- 868
- 00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:43,431
- At first,
- I was a little taken aback,
- 869
- 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,725
- 'cause I have to say that
- or he'll watch it anyway.
- 870
- 00:44:45,934 --> 00:44:47,769
- It doesn't look
- like he's self-aware.
- 871
- 00:44:47,977 --> 00:44:49,187
- It just got better.
- 872
- 00:44:49,396 --> 00:44:53,775
- Take after take,
- he tried to hit a target.
- 873
- 00:44:53,983 --> 00:44:56,319
- There is a target
- he tried to hit,
- 874
- 00:44:56,528 --> 00:44:58,071
- and when he hits it,
- it's beautiful.
- 875
- 00:45:03,076 --> 00:45:06,538
- Michelle is a brilliant actress
- and person, as well,
- 876
- 00:45:06,746 --> 00:45:08,665
- very intelligent,
- natural for that role.
- 877
- 00:45:12,627 --> 00:45:13,420
- The performance they have,
- 878
- 00:45:13,628 --> 00:45:16,548
- that relationship in the movie,
- 879
- 00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:17,674
- was really memorable.
- 880
- 00:45:19,676 --> 00:45:21,761
- We're filming the toboggan,
- 881
- 00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:23,263
- and I look at the producer,
- 882
- 00:45:23,471 --> 00:45:26,599
- I look at the stunt coordinator,
- and "Yeah, it's a toboggan."
- 883
- 00:45:26,808 --> 00:45:27,517
- Whsssh...
- 884
- 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:33,022
- And they flip.
- 885
- 00:45:33,231 --> 00:45:36,609
- It didn't look like much
- from where we were seeing,
- 886
- 00:45:36,818 --> 00:45:38,361
- but she was hurt,
- 887
- 00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:40,113
- and when we reached
- the hospital,
- 888
- 00:45:40,321 --> 00:45:41,823
- we saw Heath
- sort of holding her hand,
- 889
- 00:45:42,031 --> 00:45:43,616
- trying to comfort her,
- 890
- 00:45:43,825 --> 00:45:47,078
- and it was pretty obvious,
- his interest in her,
- 891
- 00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:48,913
- so that's pretty quickly
- it happened.
- 892
- 00:45:51,958 --> 00:45:54,377
- He goes,
- "I want you to meet Michelle."
- 893
- 00:45:54,586 --> 00:45:55,587
- She hugs me in this way
- 894
- 00:45:55,795 --> 00:45:59,007
- that she kind of climbs
- into my entire soul
- 895
- 00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:00,675
- and squeezes me.
- 896
- 00:46:00,884 --> 00:46:01,634
- I've never
- been squeezed like that
- 897
- 00:46:01,843 --> 00:46:04,471
- by someone I hadn't met before.
- 898
- 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:05,972
- Like, "Oh,
- it's so nice to meet you..."
- 899
- 00:46:06,181 --> 00:46:08,057
- That sweet accent that she has.
- 900
- 00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:12,020
- He said, "I've got a surprise."
- 901
- 00:46:14,606 --> 00:46:16,441
- "I'm gonna be a father."
- 902
- 00:46:16,649 --> 00:46:17,609
- He was pumped.
- 903
- 00:46:17,817 --> 00:46:19,152
- He was so excited.
- 904
- 00:46:21,321 --> 00:46:22,197
- You know, after Brokeback,
- 905
- 00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:23,865
- it really started to happen.
- 906
- 00:46:24,073 --> 00:46:27,702
- It was gonna be
- an important film,
- 907
- 00:46:27,911 --> 00:46:30,747
- and there wasn't him
- leaving the room.
- 908
- 00:46:30,955 --> 00:46:33,333
- There was a level of maturity
- 909
- 00:46:33,541 --> 00:46:36,711
- that this was something
- that he could handle.
- 910
- 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,713
- Michelle!
- Together!
- 911
- 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:40,965
- It's incredible
- just to what extent
- 912
- 00:46:41,174 --> 00:46:43,468
- this film has changed my life.
- 913
- 00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:47,472
- It's quite miraculous.
- 914
- 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,681
- Heath felt life deeper
- 915
- 00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:50,892
- than anyone that I've ever met.
- 916
- 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:55,897
- He just took everything in
- that much deeper.
- 917
- 00:46:56,105 --> 00:46:57,482
- There was one night
- at Heath's place,
- 918
- 00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:58,691
- a little wine,
- 919
- 00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:00,318
- and then things spin,
- 920
- 00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:01,986
- and then we were on the piano,
- 921
- 00:47:02,195 --> 00:47:03,947
- and, you know,
- just having fun,
- 922
- 00:47:04,155 --> 00:47:06,115
- and it went into the morning.
- 923
- 00:47:06,324 --> 00:47:08,618
- Got home, slept in late,
- 924
- 00:47:08,827 --> 00:47:10,745
- woke up,
- there was a commotion outside,
- 925
- 00:47:10,954 --> 00:47:12,539
- knock at the door,
- dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.
- 926
- 00:47:12,747 --> 00:47:16,167
- It says here, "A grand piano
- from one Heath Ledger,
- 927
- 00:47:16,376 --> 00:47:19,254
- gift to Ben Harper."
- 928
- 00:47:19,462 --> 00:47:20,547
- I called him right away.
- 929
- 00:47:20,755 --> 00:47:22,590
- "You're crazy. What are
- you doing?" you know?
- 930
- 00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:25,176
- "You're sending me
- a grand piano.
- 931
- 00:47:25,385 --> 00:47:26,886
- Like, this is...
- You can't do this."
- 932
- 00:47:27,095 --> 00:47:31,432
- "No, mate.
- It's supposed to be with you."
- 933
- 00:47:31,641 --> 00:47:33,351
- And what can you say?
- 934
- 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,853
- What can you say...
- 935
- 00:47:35,061 --> 00:47:36,563
- Other than "thank you"?
- 936
- 00:47:36,771 --> 00:47:38,523
- So then a couple weeks later,
- he calls.
- 937
- 00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:41,317
- "You know that piano?
- 938
- 00:47:41,526 --> 00:47:44,320
- I need you to write
- a lullaby for my daughter
- 939
- 00:47:44,529 --> 00:47:48,074
- that we can play for her
- when she's born."
- 940
- 00:47:48,283 --> 00:47:49,158
- All right.
- 941
- 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:51,536
- I've never been trusted
- so deeply.
- 942
- 00:47:51,744 --> 00:47:53,288
- Nothing has ever
- been asked of me
- 943
- 00:47:53,496 --> 00:47:54,831
- that was that precious.
- 944
- 00:48:01,296 --> 00:48:06,801
- ♪ The morning sunrise
- spread her wings ♪
- 945
- 00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:13,099
- ♪ While the moon
- hung in the sky ♪
- 946
- 00:48:13,308 --> 00:48:19,230
- ♪ Held the sea in her hands ♪
- 947
- 00:48:19,439 --> 00:48:24,986
- ♪ And happy ever after
- in her eyes ♪
- 948
- 00:48:28,865 --> 00:48:34,245
- ♪ All that I can give you ♪
- 949
- 00:48:34,454 --> 00:48:40,752
- ♪ Is forever yours to keep ♪
- 950
- 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,549
- ♪ Wake up every day
- with a dream ♪
- 951
- 00:48:46,758 --> 00:48:53,264
- ♪ And happy ever after
- in your eyes ♪
- 952
- 00:48:53,473 --> 00:49:00,146
- ♪ Happy ever after
- is in her eyes ♪
- 953
- 00:49:00,355 --> 00:49:05,193
- ♪ Happy ever after is in... ♪
- 954
- 00:49:13,618 --> 00:49:15,078
- ♪ Her eyes ♪
- 955
- 00:49:21,209 --> 00:49:23,920
- He became more of a dad
- than an artist...
- 956
- 00:49:24,128 --> 00:49:26,756
- and to say that for Heath...
- 957
- 00:49:26,965 --> 00:49:28,049
- That's it.
- 958
- 00:49:28,257 --> 00:49:30,343
- I mean, that's...
- It's a huge thing.
- 959
- 00:49:35,431 --> 00:49:37,600
- He really did change a lot.
- 960
- 00:49:37,809 --> 00:49:39,560
- It was a really exciting time.
- 961
- 00:49:39,769 --> 00:49:41,771
- He was out
- to do everything possible
- 962
- 00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:44,732
- to be a good dad,
- and, you know, a good partner,
- 963
- 00:49:44,941 --> 00:49:47,193
- and everything
- that we all wish we could be.
- 964
- 00:49:47,402 --> 00:49:50,780
- He'd reached that spot
- where "I've got a child.
- 965
- 00:49:50,989 --> 00:49:52,198
- My life's changed, and hold on,
- 966
- 00:49:52,407 --> 00:49:53,616
- I've gotta be in charge
- of my own destiny."
- 967
- 00:49:53,825 --> 00:49:56,035
- Heath was a fantastic father.
- 968
- 00:49:56,244 --> 00:50:00,665
- He had so much love for her,
- and it was so beautiful to see.
- 969
- 00:50:00,873 --> 00:50:02,834
- Being a dad was, like,
- 970
- 00:50:03,042 --> 00:50:05,420
- his favorite thing
- that he ever did.
- 971
- 00:50:05,628 --> 00:50:07,922
- ♪ River river river river... ♪
- 972
- 00:50:08,131 --> 00:50:10,049
- He said
- he'd be moving to New York.
- 973
- 00:50:10,258 --> 00:50:12,301
- I thought he was gonna move
- into the city.
- 974
- 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,220
- Michelle had plans for Brooklyn.
- 975
- 00:50:15,805 --> 00:50:17,557
- Being the person that he is,
- 976
- 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,642
- he fell in love
- with Brooklyn too.
- 977
- 00:50:22,478 --> 00:50:23,813
- He said, "I love Michelle.
- 978
- 00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:25,356
- I love the world we're building.
- 979
- 00:50:25,565 --> 00:50:28,651
- I love the neighborhood."
- 980
- 00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:30,111
- They found a beautiful house.
- 981
- 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,447
- It felt like he was, like,
- the trailblazer of Brooklyn.
- 982
- 00:50:34,032 --> 00:50:35,283
- Cruising through
- the streets of New York
- 983
- 00:50:35,491 --> 00:50:36,576
- with Matilda on his shoulders.
- 984
- 00:50:36,784 --> 00:50:38,369
- I mean, that's when he was...
- 985
- 00:50:38,578 --> 00:50:39,704
- He was just totally happy.
- 986
- 00:50:39,912 --> 00:50:42,373
- Waking up
- every morning to that...
- 987
- 00:50:42,582 --> 00:50:44,042
- that smile, it just...
- 988
- 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:46,044
- It just...
- it brightens your day,
- 989
- 00:50:46,252 --> 00:50:47,211
- it really does,
- 990
- 00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:51,340
- and I'm incredibly proud
- of both of them.
- 991
- 00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:09,650
- I had given him an early copy
- of a record of mine
- 992
- 00:51:09,859 --> 00:51:11,360
- called Both Sides of the Gun.
- 993
- 00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:12,653
- He was getting into videos,
- 994
- 00:51:12,862 --> 00:51:13,863
- and he was getting
- into directing
- 995
- 00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:14,906
- and getting behind the camera,
- 996
- 00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:15,990
- and that was...
- 997
- 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,283
- That was exciting him a lot.
- 998
- 00:51:17,492 --> 00:51:20,745
- Then I got a call
- at some crazy hour.
- 999
- 00:51:20,953 --> 00:51:21,996
- "I really wanna do a video.
- 1000
- 00:51:22,205 --> 00:51:24,123
- This record means a lot to me.
- 1001
- 00:51:24,332 --> 00:51:26,000
- How about the song
- 'Morning Yearning,'"
- 1002
- 00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:29,337
- and I said, "Heath,
- that would be amazing,
- 1003
- 00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:30,797
- and I'm gonna leave you alone.
- 1004
- 00:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,341
- I'll show up and I'll do
- whatever I need you to do."
- 1005
- 00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:35,593
- Rolling.
- 1006
- 00:51:44,811 --> 00:51:46,562
- ♪ Morning yearning ♪
- 1007
- 00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:50,817
- ♪ It's a morning yearning ♪
- 1008
- 00:51:55,363 --> 00:51:58,741
- And he really knew
- exactly what he wanted to do,
- 1009
- 00:51:58,950 --> 00:52:03,579
- but what amazed me is how in
- command he was of everything.
- 1010
- 00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:07,500
- Heath was a one-man
- force of nature.
- 1011
- 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:10,461
- He would do lights, the colors,
- the texture...
- 1012
- 00:52:13,548 --> 00:52:15,383
- He would help
- with the choreography.
- 1013
- 00:52:15,591 --> 00:52:19,095
- It was super important to him
- it wasn't a dance video.
- 1014
- 00:52:19,303 --> 00:52:20,680
- It couldn't be something
- you'd seen before.
- 1015
- 00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:27,603
- ♪ Sun is burning ♪
- 1016
- 00:52:30,314 --> 00:52:32,859
- I was just amazed
- at his prowess with the camera.
- 1017
- 00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:34,861
- Like, he was
- calling out numbers
- 1018
- 00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:38,239
- and, you know,
- and apertures and the angles.
- 1019
- 00:52:38,447 --> 00:52:40,074
- He had command of his vision.
- 1020
- 00:52:40,283 --> 00:52:45,079
- ♪ With hopes
- of better days to come ♪
- 1021
- 00:52:45,288 --> 00:52:49,792
- ♪ It's a morning yearning ♪
- 1022
- 00:52:50,001 --> 00:52:54,213
- ♪ Morning yearning ♪
- 1023
- 00:52:56,966 --> 00:52:57,884
- He proceeded to make
- 1024
- 00:52:58,092 --> 00:52:59,510
- the best music video
- I've ever had
- 1025
- 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,762
- in my 23 years
- of making music.
- 1026
- 00:53:04,432 --> 00:53:06,100
- ♪ Morning yearning ♪
- 1027
- 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:07,476
- The Morning Yearning video
- 1028
- 00:53:07,685 --> 00:53:09,270
- was shot at this place,
- Little Radio, downtown.
- 1029
- 00:53:09,478 --> 00:53:13,399
- Had a soundstage,
- not too big, not too small.
- 1030
- 00:53:13,608 --> 00:53:15,526
- They had a pirate radio station.
- 1031
- 00:53:15,735 --> 00:53:18,571
- They'd do underground shows
- for underground bands,
- 1032
- 00:53:18,779 --> 00:53:20,948
- and it was just on the edge.
- 1033
- 00:53:21,157 --> 00:53:23,659
- The place had a photo booth,
- and we took a bunch of photos.
- 1034
- 00:53:23,868 --> 00:53:27,079
- He was constantly
- revealing the next cool thing,
- 1035
- 00:53:27,288 --> 00:53:29,874
- but, I mean, I should've known
- about Little Radio, you know?
- 1036
- 00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:31,667
- That's my business.
- 1037
- 00:53:31,876 --> 00:53:33,502
- ♪ Morning yearning ♪
- 1038
- 00:53:33,711 --> 00:53:37,548
- ♪ It's a morning yearning ♪
- 1039
- 00:53:37,757 --> 00:53:39,008
- When I saw the Morning
- Yearning video
- 1040
- 00:53:39,217 --> 00:53:40,218
- for the first time,
- 1041
- 00:53:40,426 --> 00:53:41,844
- I thought to myself,
- 1042
- 00:53:42,053 --> 00:53:45,431
- this guy is going to have
- a lifetime behind the camera
- 1043
- 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,557
- as well as in front of it.
- 1044
- 00:53:54,607 --> 00:53:56,692
- Heath decided that he wanted
- 1045
- 00:53:56,901 --> 00:54:02,031
- to establish his moviemaking
- company with me.
- 1046
- 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:03,574
- All the people
- that he had met,
- 1047
- 00:54:03,783 --> 00:54:08,829
- Matt was one that he trusted
- and he'd actually learned from.
- 1048
- 00:54:09,038 --> 00:54:11,082
- The fact that we decided
- to do this together...
- 1049
- 00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:14,001
- I think a big surprise
- to a lot of people, actually,
- 1050
- 00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:16,545
- to the people that
- Heath was doing business with,
- 1051
- 00:54:16,754 --> 00:54:18,756
- people that were offering
- him deals at studios.
- 1052
- 00:54:20,299 --> 00:54:22,301
- When it was time to get
- an office for The Masses,
- 1053
- 00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:23,970
- we made sure
- that it'd be a place
- 1054
- 00:54:24,178 --> 00:54:25,638
- where Heath could
- maintain his privacy.
- 1055
- 00:54:25,846 --> 00:54:26,889
- We didn't want anybody to know
- 1056
- 00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:29,350
- that this was Heath Ledger's
- new office.
- 1057
- 00:54:29,558 --> 00:54:32,436
- He would enter through the back
- on his motorcycle,
- 1058
- 00:54:32,645 --> 00:54:34,647
- of course,
- cloaked in his helmet,
- 1059
- 00:54:34,855 --> 00:54:36,107
- and it was like being home.
- 1060
- 00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,484
- "The Masses" is a cool name
- 1061
- 00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:40,778
- because it's not meant
- to be exclusive.
- 1062
- 00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:43,489
- Everyone has the capacity
- to tell their story.
- 1063
- 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:47,827
- And they had
- the whole floor of a building.
- 1064
- 00:54:48,035 --> 00:54:50,079
- You knew as soon
- as you walked up those stairs,
- 1065
- 00:54:50,288 --> 00:54:52,748
- you were going into, like,
- the hubbub of creativity.
- 1066
- 00:54:59,088 --> 00:55:02,091
- Heath had a little slogan,
- and that was "Keep It Real."
- 1067
- 00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:06,554
- To do something surprising,
- mess up the frame a little bit,
- 1068
- 00:55:06,762 --> 00:55:08,306
- to not be so symmetrical...
- 1069
- 00:55:08,514 --> 00:55:10,808
- To try something.
- 1070
- 00:55:11,017 --> 00:55:12,518
- Our profound love of music
- 1071
- 00:55:12,727 --> 00:55:16,897
- encouraged our idea
- to have a music company.
- 1072
- 00:55:17,106 --> 00:55:17,732
- I work with bands.
- 1073
- 00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:18,774
- I direct music videos,
- 1074
- 00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:22,903
- and I run
- a small independent label,
- 1075
- 00:55:23,112 --> 00:55:25,573
- The Masses, and it's with
- a whole bunch of my friends,
- 1076
- 00:55:25,781 --> 00:55:29,327
- who are all just young creators.
- 1077
- 00:55:29,535 --> 00:55:32,121
- My friend, Grace, she'd been
- doing just some recording,
- 1078
- 00:55:32,330 --> 00:55:34,707
- like, very basic kind of
- like solo recording
- 1079
- 00:55:34,915 --> 00:55:36,834
- in her bedroom...
- 1080
- 00:55:41,297 --> 00:55:46,260
- ♪ My dad wrote four words
- on a tiny piece of paper ♪
- 1081
- 00:55:46,469 --> 00:55:48,971
- ♪ These are the stages
- you'll go through ♪
- 1082
- 00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:52,099
- And I emailed him and I said,
- "How cool is my friend?
- 1083
- 00:55:52,308 --> 00:55:54,352
- Listen to this song of hers,"
- 1084
- 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,521
- and, literally within,
- like, 24 hours, I get a reply.
- 1085
- 00:55:57,730 --> 00:56:00,399
- ♪ Acceptance will come too... ♪
- 1086
- 00:56:00,608 --> 00:56:01,484
- "She's amazing.
- 1087
- 00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:03,027
- Can you put me
- in touch with her?"
- 1088
- 00:56:03,235 --> 00:56:06,238
- and I was kind of a bit, like,
- "What? Oh, yeah, okay. Sure."
- 1089
- 00:56:06,447 --> 00:56:11,619
- ♪ Or for that matter, rewind ♪
- 1090
- 00:56:11,827 --> 00:56:16,332
- ♪ And though you said
- that time was blind ♪
- 1091
- 00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:21,420
- ♪ Now you're in a place
- that only exists in my mind ♪
- 1092
- 00:56:21,629 --> 00:56:25,049
- Literally a month or two later,
- she was on a plane to L.A.
- 1093
- 00:56:25,257 --> 00:56:28,094
- He went very quickly
- from hearing her voice
- 1094
- 00:56:28,302 --> 00:56:30,554
- and wanting to get her
- into a recording studio.
- 1095
- 00:56:30,763 --> 00:56:32,807
- ♪ Ooh... ♪
- 1096
- 00:56:33,015 --> 00:56:34,100
- I knew
- 1097
- 00:56:34,308 --> 00:56:36,769
- that it was still
- a young company, The Masses,
- 1098
- 00:56:36,977 --> 00:56:38,479
- and I almost feel like,
- in a way,
- 1099
- 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:41,107
- they almost weren't
- prepared for it either.
- 1100
- 00:56:41,315 --> 00:56:43,317
- It was like one minute
- we were emailing,
- 1101
- 00:56:43,526 --> 00:56:44,402
- and the next minute,
- 1102
- 00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:45,653
- a 17-year-old girl
- from Australia
- 1103
- 00:56:45,861 --> 00:56:48,906
- is on their doorstep
- with a guitar.
- 1104
- 00:56:51,075 --> 00:56:53,702
- I got a call from Matt Amato
- 1105
- 00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:57,623
- asking if I could come
- to the offices of The Masses.
- 1106
- 00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:04,505
- I was gonna be having
- a conversation with Heath.
- 1107
- 00:57:04,713 --> 00:57:07,007
- "Yeah, she's here
- for another week,
- 1108
- 00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:11,929
- and we wanna make
- a whole album and a video...
- 1109
- 00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:16,851
- And she has some of the songs,
- but not all of them."
- 1110
- 00:57:17,059 --> 00:57:18,936
- I was down.
- "Let's just go do it right now."
- 1111
- 00:57:20,229 --> 00:57:23,899
- Heath styled it,
- he found the locations,
- 1112
- 00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:25,443
- he storyboarded it,
- 1113
- 00:57:25,651 --> 00:57:28,362
- and I would just say,
- "Yeah, that sounds amazing."
- 1114
- 00:57:28,571 --> 00:57:29,738
- I just trusted him.
- 1115
- 00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:31,657
- I just knew he had this vision.
- 1116
- 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,630
- What we ended up doing was
- kind of developing her songs
- 1117
- 00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:49,216
- and kind of just improvising.
- 1118
- 00:57:50,676 --> 00:57:52,094
- Heath was very much a part
- 1119
- 00:57:52,303 --> 00:57:54,597
- of those sessions
- with Grace and Carlos,
- 1120
- 00:57:54,805 --> 00:57:58,684
- and, I mean,
- he financed it himself.
- 1121
- 00:57:58,893 --> 00:57:59,935
- Heath came in one day
- 1122
- 00:58:00,144 --> 00:58:02,146
- to come and listen
- to how it was going.
- 1123
- 00:58:02,354 --> 00:58:03,647
- We were working on a song.
- 1124
- 00:58:05,941 --> 00:58:08,819
- We wanted a male vocal in there,
- and he was there,
- 1125
- 00:58:09,028 --> 00:58:11,197
- and I was like, "Why don't you
- do whatever comes to mind,
- 1126
- 00:58:11,405 --> 00:58:14,241
- like, just have
- a couple of takes
- 1127
- 00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:16,577
- and see what comes out,"
- 1128
- 00:58:16,785 --> 00:58:19,497
- and Heath got all nervous,
- but he just...
- 1129
- 00:58:19,705 --> 00:58:21,957
- he almost became a character
- in that moment.
- 1130
- 00:58:22,166 --> 00:58:23,334
- ♪ Wheels keep on turning ♪
- 1131
- 00:58:23,542 --> 00:58:24,877
- ♪ Oh no ♪
- 1132
- 00:58:25,085 --> 00:58:26,253
- And he just
- took on this persona,
- 1133
- 00:58:26,462 --> 00:58:28,339
- and he had this, like,
- incredible deep tone.
- 1134
- 00:58:28,547 --> 00:58:30,508
- ♪ Dee dee dee dee ♪
- 1135
- 00:58:30,716 --> 00:58:33,260
- There she is,
- going through the door,
- 1136
- 00:58:33,469 --> 00:58:36,055
- teardrops falling
- from her fingernails.
- 1137
- 00:58:36,263 --> 00:58:38,307
- She's hiding, gone forever,
- 1138
- 00:58:38,516 --> 00:58:41,644
- somewhere
- in a California dream.
- 1139
- 00:58:47,358 --> 00:58:48,192
- Afterwards, he was like,
- "Is that okay?
- 1140
- 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,235
- Is that all right?"
- 1141
- 00:58:49,443 --> 00:58:50,778
- I was, like,
- "Of course it is."
- 1142
- 00:58:50,986 --> 00:58:52,571
- ♪ I'm outta my mind ♪
- - He could do no wrong.
- 1143
- 00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:53,989
- ♪ I don't know
- where I'm goin' ♪
- 1144
- 00:58:54,198 --> 00:58:55,491
- ♪ There's not enough time ♪
- 1145
- 00:58:55,699 --> 00:58:57,868
- ♪ Yeah, the wheels
- keep on turnin' ♪
- 1146
- 00:59:18,430 --> 00:59:23,477
- I would describe Heath's energy
- as being absolutely limitless.
- 1147
- 00:59:23,686 --> 00:59:28,440
- He was tapping into
- something completely different.
- 1148
- 00:59:28,649 --> 00:59:29,608
- That was just him.
- 1149
- 00:59:29,817 --> 00:59:30,859
- He just had too much energy...
- 1150
- 00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:32,695
- Too many thoughts,
- too much to do,
- 1151
- 00:59:32,903 --> 00:59:34,238
- too much creativity.
- 1152
- 00:59:34,446 --> 00:59:36,073
- When you feel that good,
- you don't sleep.
- 1153
- 00:59:37,825 --> 00:59:41,954
- He spent so many hours awake,
- it was like he was 50...
- 1154
- 00:59:42,162 --> 00:59:45,874
- Based off living, awake years.
- 1155
- 00:59:46,083 --> 00:59:47,209
- The stories I hear
- from all these different people,
- 1156
- 00:59:47,418 --> 00:59:48,460
- I'm like, "Man, he did that
- with you too?
- 1157
- 00:59:48,669 --> 00:59:49,795
- He used to call you
- at this time?
- 1158
- 00:59:50,004 --> 00:59:51,005
- He did that?"
- 1159
- 00:59:51,213 --> 00:59:52,756
- How many people
- was he like that with?
- 1160
- 00:59:52,965 --> 00:59:55,467
- We talked so many times a day,
- you know, on the phone,
- 1161
- 00:59:55,676 --> 00:59:56,802
- if we weren't in the same city.
- 1162
- 00:59:57,011 --> 00:59:59,638
- If something
- caught fire with him,
- 1163
- 00:59:59,847 --> 01:00:02,683
- he would hit me
- in the morning with an idea,
- 1164
- 01:00:02,891 --> 01:00:06,895
- and he'd become, you know,
- mildly obsessive.
- 1165
- 01:00:08,063 --> 01:00:09,898
- Midnight, one in the morning...
- 1166
- 01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:11,775
- and this was land lines,
- you know,
- 1167
- 01:00:11,984 --> 01:00:12,860
- in the day of like, you know,
- 1168
- 01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:13,986
- when people
- still had land lines,
- 1169
- 01:00:14,194 --> 01:00:16,155
- so it would be that loud, like,
- ring!
- 1170
- 01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:22,453
- It's Heath.
- 1171
- 01:00:22,661 --> 01:00:26,582
- Like... "Hey, man,
- can I call you at, like, eight?"
- 1172
- 01:00:28,459 --> 01:00:29,835
- Or he'd show up for breakfast...
- 1173
- 01:00:30,044 --> 01:00:31,920
- show up at, like, six.
- 1174
- 01:00:32,129 --> 01:00:33,714
- He'd be waiting
- outside my house
- 1175
- 01:00:33,922 --> 01:00:36,133
- at 5:30, 6:00 a.m.,
- 1176
- 01:00:36,342 --> 01:00:37,509
- ready to go.
- 1177
- 01:00:37,718 --> 01:00:40,387
- Like, literally,
- not a text, not a phone call...
- 1178
- 01:00:40,596 --> 01:00:41,347
- Just "I'm at the gate."
- 1179
- 01:00:41,555 --> 01:00:43,891
- He'd crash our breakfast.
- 1180
- 01:00:51,774 --> 01:00:53,484
- He never slept.
- He never re...
- 1181
- 01:00:53,692 --> 01:00:55,694
- His email...
- 1182
- 01:00:57,655 --> 01:01:01,075
- His email was
- l'llberunningaround
- 1183
- 01:01:01,283 --> 01:01:04,078
- at something something
- dot com...
- 1184
- 01:01:05,412 --> 01:01:06,205
- and he always was.
- 1185
- 01:01:18,967 --> 01:01:19,968
- You always wonder
- 1186
- 01:01:20,177 --> 01:01:23,847
- if people sense
- their own mortality.
- 1187
- 01:01:24,056 --> 01:01:26,684
- Certain people
- have that power...
- 1188
- 01:01:28,268 --> 01:01:30,729
- and if anybody did, it was him.
- 1189
- 01:01:45,828 --> 01:01:47,287
- Talked about Nick Drake,
- 1190
- 01:01:47,496 --> 01:01:50,416
- a musician that he was
- absolutely passionate about
- 1191
- 01:01:50,624 --> 01:01:51,625
- and wanted
- to tell his story,
- 1192
- 01:01:51,834 --> 01:01:53,961
- how he died
- 1193
- 01:01:54,169 --> 01:01:56,130
- and his process
- of creating music.
- 1194
- 01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:03,679
- It was all about Nick Drake.
- 1195
- 01:02:03,887 --> 01:02:06,140
- Heath was...
- I mean, he was gone.
- 1196
- 01:02:08,142 --> 01:02:10,310
- He was all things Nick
- at that time.
- 1197
- 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,146
- I mean, he had every record.
- 1198
- 01:02:12,354 --> 01:02:13,480
- He had interviews.
- 1199
- 01:02:13,689 --> 01:02:15,399
- He was completely immersed
- in Nick Drake.
- 1200
- 01:02:19,987 --> 01:02:21,447
- Always playing his music
- 1201
- 01:02:21,655 --> 01:02:24,116
- and talking about the visuals
- that he would put to this music.
- 1202
- 01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:28,620
- It escalated more and more
- 1203
- 01:02:28,829 --> 01:02:29,830
- and became
- a huge passion for him.
- 1204
- 01:02:36,295 --> 01:02:38,589
- He'd always had this thing
- for these artists,
- 1205
- 01:02:38,797 --> 01:02:42,217
- people who died at, like, 27,
- 1206
- 01:02:42,426 --> 01:02:44,511
- like Kurt Cobain
- and Janis Joplin
- 1207
- 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,554
- and this whole list of people.
- 1208
- 01:02:47,306 --> 01:02:50,184
- At a young age, he was like,
- "I'm just like these people."
- 1209
- 01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:52,060
- It was weird.
- 1210
- 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,023
- I remember him saying,
- "I've got a lot to do.
- 1211
- 01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:58,317
- I don't feel
- like I have much time.
- 1212
- 01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:00,319
- I just don't think I'm going
- to be around that long, so...
- 1213
- 01:03:00,527 --> 01:03:01,528
- Don't know why.
- 1214
- 01:03:01,737 --> 01:03:03,655
- I've just got
- to get things done now."
- 1215
- 01:03:15,375 --> 01:03:16,418
- I guess our story together
- 1216
- 01:03:16,627 --> 01:03:18,712
- kind of chronicles
- his love life,
- 1217
- 01:03:18,921 --> 01:03:20,881
- his struggles
- with love and a relationship
- 1218
- 01:03:21,089 --> 01:03:22,299
- and they're trying to manage
- 1219
- 01:03:22,508 --> 01:03:25,302
- both his professional life
- and his private life.
- 1220
- 01:03:25,511 --> 01:03:27,930
- It's a bit of a double-edged
- sword, I believe,
- 1221
- 01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:29,890
- 'cause a part of you
- wants to stay at home
- 1222
- 01:03:30,098 --> 01:03:31,600
- and do nothing
- for the rest of your life,
- 1223
- 01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:32,810
- but as soon as you're there,
- 1224
- 01:03:33,018 --> 01:03:34,770
- you want to get out
- and start working.
- 1225
- 01:03:34,978 --> 01:03:35,771
- There's a fascination
- 1226
- 01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:38,857
- and an addiction
- to the lifestyle.
- 1227
- 01:03:39,066 --> 01:03:42,528
- Heath brought something
- to the part,
- 1228
- 01:03:42,736 --> 01:03:45,948
- and it wasn't
- the movie star part
- 1229
- 01:03:46,156 --> 01:03:47,616
- that he brought.
- 1230
- 01:03:47,825 --> 01:03:50,786
- There was a credibility
- and vulnerability
- 1231
- 01:03:50,994 --> 01:03:52,788
- to his performance.
- 1232
- 01:03:52,996 --> 01:03:59,002
- He was always able
- to show his struggle or conflict
- 1233
- 01:03:59,211 --> 01:04:00,963
- in whatever character he played,
- 1234
- 01:04:01,171 --> 01:04:03,715
- that he personalized
- the performance.
- 1235
- 01:04:06,552 --> 01:04:08,053
- Not with the girls.
- 1236
- 01:04:09,388 --> 01:04:10,138
- Yes, Robbie.
- 1237
- 01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:11,598
- - No.
- - Robbie!
- 1238
- 01:04:11,807 --> 01:04:13,934
- You're not
- taking my kids!
- 1239
- 01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:16,395
- Relationships happen.
- Relationships go wrong.
- 1240
- 01:04:16,603 --> 01:04:17,813
- If you haven't
- been through it yet,
- 1241
- 01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:19,231
- you don't know
- how to adjust and cope,
- 1242
- 01:04:19,439 --> 01:04:21,608
- and then you're in
- the father position,
- 1243
- 01:04:21,817 --> 01:04:22,943
- partner position,
- 1244
- 01:04:23,151 --> 01:04:24,987
- and you're doing things
- that aren't quite right.
- 1245
- 01:04:31,994 --> 01:04:34,997
- I'm Not There
- is really art imitating life
- 1246
- 01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:38,125
- in such a beautiful,
- painful way.
- 1247
- 01:04:42,629 --> 01:04:43,714
- I feel he was struggling
- 1248
- 01:04:43,922 --> 01:04:46,633
- with being able to give
- Michelle and Matilda
- 1249
- 01:04:46,842 --> 01:04:48,260
- all the attention he wanted to.
- 1250
- 01:04:48,468 --> 01:04:50,762
- Their breakup
- was tough enough.
- 1251
- 01:04:50,971 --> 01:04:54,600
- I really felt the...
- for Michelle,
- 1252
- 01:04:54,808 --> 01:04:57,436
- a lot of stuff
- was projected on her.
- 1253
- 01:05:00,522 --> 01:05:02,691
- It was pretty
- heartbreaking and upsetting.
- 1254
- 01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:06,695
- Things were unraveling
- for Heath.
- 1255
- 01:05:06,904 --> 01:05:10,699
- That whole idea
- of controlling your destiny,
- 1256
- 01:05:10,908 --> 01:05:13,493
- designing your destiny...
- 1257
- 01:05:13,702 --> 01:05:17,706
- the unraveling
- was not part of the design,
- 1258
- 01:05:17,915 --> 01:05:19,333
- and he couldn't control it.
- 1259
- 01:05:22,169 --> 01:05:26,256
- So his lack of sleep
- and needing to sleep
- 1260
- 01:05:26,465 --> 01:05:27,925
- had a big effect on him.
- 1261
- 01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:32,971
- He had to take
- medicated sleeping,
- 1262
- 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:34,389
- which wasn't good for his body.
- 1263
- 01:05:40,062 --> 01:05:41,772
- I ran into him in New York.
- 1264
- 01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:44,775
- I hadn't seen him
- for a couple of years,
- 1265
- 01:05:44,983 --> 01:05:48,403
- and wow, Heath has... changed,
- 1266
- 01:05:48,612 --> 01:05:49,947
- but the way he has changed
- 1267
- 01:05:50,155 --> 01:05:52,866
- kind of, like, got me
- a little concerned, you know...
- 1268
- 01:05:54,993 --> 01:05:56,745
- and I looked at him
- and I thought, wow...
- 1269
- 01:06:00,415 --> 01:06:02,584
- with a bit of a concern,
- you know?
- 1270
- 01:06:16,932 --> 01:06:19,101
- We had
- a few tough times together,
- 1271
- 01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:21,353
- like, sadnesses in life.
- 1272
- 01:06:26,191 --> 01:06:28,986
- Music is absolutely healing.
- 1273
- 01:06:31,154 --> 01:06:34,908
- Music was a way
- for him to heal himself.
- 1274
- 01:06:36,451 --> 01:06:38,870
- Nick, can you play
- River of Life?
- 1275
- 01:06:41,248 --> 01:06:42,416
- There you go. Yay!
- 1276
- 01:06:42,624 --> 01:06:44,751
- River of Life.
- 1277
- 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,214
- If you asked Heath who he was,
- 1278
- 01:06:49,423 --> 01:06:51,800
- he would tell you
- he was an actor,
- 1279
- 01:06:52,009 --> 01:06:53,593
- he was a filmmaker,
- 1280
- 01:06:53,802 --> 01:06:55,012
- and he was a brother.
- 1281
- 01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:57,472
- He was a brother to me,
- and to many.
- 1282
- 01:07:00,851 --> 01:07:02,853
- I guess
- being friends with Heath,
- 1283
- 01:07:03,061 --> 01:07:05,605
- someone so big and glamorous
- 1284
- 01:07:05,814 --> 01:07:08,066
- and... action hero
- 1285
- 01:07:08,275 --> 01:07:10,318
- and all that stuff...
- 1286
- 01:07:10,527 --> 01:07:14,948
- The fact that he carried
- that gentility in his heart
- 1287
- 01:07:15,157 --> 01:07:19,661
- and made that
- an active principle for himself
- 1288
- 01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:22,039
- gave me certain strength too...
- 1289
- 01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:30,547
- And he would
- always encourage me.
- 1290
- 01:07:30,756 --> 01:07:31,840
- Like, I'd see a wave coming,
- 1291
- 01:07:32,049 --> 01:07:33,050
- and he'd say,
- "Don't be afraid to fall..."
- 1292
- 01:07:37,345 --> 01:07:40,807
- and that was a real important
- aspect of who Heath was.
- 1293
- 01:07:42,225 --> 01:07:45,395
- He didn't have
- that kind of fear.
- 1294
- 01:07:50,192 --> 01:07:51,359
- He was going
- to direct his first film,
- 1295
- 01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:54,529
- which was The Queen's Gambit,
- about a chess player.
- 1296
- 01:08:00,285 --> 01:08:02,662
- His love of chess
- was, you know, legendary.
- 1297
- 01:08:04,539 --> 01:08:07,167
- I always felt that he was
- five moves in front of me.
- 1298
- 01:08:07,375 --> 01:08:10,378
- By the time
- he was 10 or 11 or so,
- 1299
- 01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:13,715
- it was pretty hard
- to actually beat him.
- 1300
- 01:08:16,176 --> 01:08:18,303
- He was
- an amazing chess player,
- 1301
- 01:08:18,512 --> 01:08:20,222
- and it's something
- that we did every day.
- 1302
- 01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:22,099
- Whether we were
- together or apart,
- 1303
- 01:08:22,307 --> 01:08:25,769
- we were playing chess online
- or chess face to face.
- 1304
- 01:08:28,355 --> 01:08:32,442
- Heath was trying
- to achieve a grandmaster status
- 1305
- 01:08:32,651 --> 01:08:37,072
- and was only a few points away
- from achieving his goal.
- 1306
- 01:08:38,406 --> 01:08:41,368
- When he read that story,
- Queen's Gambit,
- 1307
- 01:08:41,576 --> 01:08:44,538
- he thought, wow, this could be
- the right size film
- 1308
- 01:08:44,746 --> 01:08:47,624
- to take a bite and direct it.
- 1309
- 01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:50,418
- So this is about
- a young chess player
- 1310
- 01:08:50,627 --> 01:08:54,714
- who is addicted
- to drugs, to pills.
- 1311
- 01:08:56,258 --> 01:08:57,717
- He understood that story
- 1312
- 01:08:57,926 --> 01:09:00,387
- from inside out.
- 1313
- 01:09:00,595 --> 01:09:02,139
- He wanted to use chess
- 1314
- 01:09:02,347 --> 01:09:05,809
- as a metaphor
- for the girl's life,
- 1315
- 01:09:06,017 --> 01:09:09,020
- and he had something to say.
- 1316
- 01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:11,022
- There are many actors
- that want to direct
- 1317
- 01:09:11,231 --> 01:09:14,693
- that almost
- are the actor directing,
- 1318
- 01:09:14,901 --> 01:09:22,826
- but he had the ability
- to communicate his ideas
- 1319
- 01:09:23,034 --> 01:09:28,456
- that he could translate that
- into a filmic story.
- 1320
- 01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:30,041
- The only time that I'm alive
- 1321
- 01:09:30,250 --> 01:09:34,045
- and living and expressing
- and feeling and relating
- 1322
- 01:09:34,254 --> 01:09:35,714
- is when I'm on-set
- 1323
- 01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:38,675
- in that time
- between "Action" and "Cut."
- 1324
- 01:09:38,884 --> 01:09:40,051
- I called Heath,
- 1325
- 01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:42,095
- and I said, you know,
- "This is what's happening.
- 1326
- 01:09:42,304 --> 01:09:44,472
- They're putting together
- the next Batman film,
- 1327
- 01:09:44,681 --> 01:09:47,392
- and the Joker's
- going to be the villain,
- 1328
- 01:09:47,601 --> 01:09:49,352
- and, you know,
- is that of interest?"
- 1329
- 01:09:49,561 --> 01:09:50,812
- And I remember him,
- you know,
- 1330
- 01:09:51,021 --> 01:09:53,648
- it was like...
- there was no pause.
- 1331
- 01:09:53,857 --> 01:09:55,609
- It was like, "Absolutely.
- 1332
- 01:09:55,817 --> 01:09:56,860
- I want that.
- How do I...
- 1333
- 01:09:57,068 --> 01:09:58,069
- you know, what do we do?
- 1334
- 01:09:58,278 --> 01:09:59,654
- I'll get on a plane.
- I'll fly out.
- 1335
- 01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:01,072
- I want to meet with Chris,"
- you know.
- 1336
- 01:10:01,281 --> 01:10:02,324
- "Can you get me in a room
- with Chris Nolan?"
- 1337
- 01:10:02,532 --> 01:10:05,368
- I'd already seen
- this world he'd created
- 1338
- 01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:06,912
- in Batman Begins,
- 1339
- 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,039
- and so I knew
- there was an opportunity
- 1340
- 01:10:09,247 --> 01:10:11,416
- for a new version of the Joker,
- 1341
- 01:10:11,625 --> 01:10:12,792
- and that excited me,
- 1342
- 01:10:13,001 --> 01:10:14,044
- and I also knew instantly
- what to do.
- 1343
- 01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:17,047
- So we had about a month,
- roughly two months.
- 1344
- 01:10:17,255 --> 01:10:20,091
- He had already started
- to occupy the character.
- 1345
- 01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:23,011
- I locked myself away
- for six weeks in a room,
- 1346
- 01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:24,304
- and I kind of came up
- with this creep.
- 1347
- 01:10:24,512 --> 01:10:27,015
- Walk around like a madman
- 1348
- 01:10:27,224 --> 01:10:28,433
- and finding posture,
- finding stance.
- 1349
- 01:10:28,642 --> 01:10:30,769
- Finding his voice
- is very important,
- 1350
- 01:10:30,977 --> 01:10:32,020
- because when you find the voice
- 1351
- 01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:35,148
- you find the breath
- within the voice.
- 1352
- 01:10:35,357 --> 01:10:37,234
- It's like, man,
- the Joker, though.
- 1353
- 01:10:37,442 --> 01:10:40,153
- Jack Nicholson
- did the Joker, man.
- 1354
- 01:10:40,362 --> 01:10:44,282
- I said,
- "How do you tackle that, like,
- 1355
- 01:10:44,491 --> 01:10:47,827
- without just
- doing a version of Jack?
- 1356
- 01:10:48,036 --> 01:10:51,831
- I mean, how do you even
- talk or laugh or..."
- 1357
- 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,583
- I was sitting there, walking,
- just thinking,
- 1358
- 01:10:53,792 --> 01:10:54,876
- and I suddenly hear,
- 1359
- 01:10:55,085 --> 01:10:56,211
- "Do you want to know
- 1360
- 01:10:56,419 --> 01:10:58,088
- how I got these scars?"
- 1361
- 01:10:58,296 --> 01:10:59,589
- I'm like... I look at him,
- 1362
- 01:10:59,798 --> 01:11:01,007
- and he's kind of walking,
- holding his shirt,
- 1363
- 01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:04,427
- and he's like, "My daddy
- was a drinker and a fiend,"
- 1364
- 01:11:04,636 --> 01:11:06,346
- and he gives me this look,
- and...
- 1365
- 01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,431
- man, goosebumps,
- chills run down me,
- 1366
- 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,600
- and he does
- that little monologue for me.
- 1367
- 01:11:10,809 --> 01:11:13,687
- "Why so serious?"
- he finishes.
- 1368
- 01:11:13,895 --> 01:11:15,313
- I was just, "Holy..."
- 1369
- 01:11:15,522 --> 01:11:16,147
- and I jump into the street.
- 1370
- 01:11:16,356 --> 01:11:18,066
- Whoo! Yelled it out.
- 1371
- 01:11:18,275 --> 01:11:19,150
- I'm punching him in the chest,
- 1372
- 01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:20,360
- and he's like,
- "Don't tell anyone."
- 1373
- 01:11:22,487 --> 01:11:24,906
- He turns to me,
- 1374
- 01:11:25,115 --> 01:11:30,161
- and he says,
- why so serious?
- 1375
- 01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:31,705
- He comes at me
- with the knife.
- 1376
- 01:11:31,913 --> 01:11:34,207
- "Why so serious?"
- 1377
- 01:11:37,002 --> 01:11:39,754
- He sticks the blade in my mouth.
- 1378
- 01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:44,676
- "Let's put a smile
- on that face,"
- 1379
- 01:11:44,884 --> 01:11:46,136
- and...
- 1380
- 01:11:49,472 --> 01:11:50,932
- Why so serious?
- 1381
- 01:11:51,141 --> 01:11:55,312
- When we were shooting
- the scene
- 1382
- 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,105
- where he comes into the party,
- 1383
- 01:11:57,314 --> 01:11:59,441
- there was a crowd
- that side of the camera
- 1384
- 01:11:59,649 --> 01:12:00,859
- and this side of the camera.
- 1385
- 01:12:01,067 --> 01:12:03,486
- It was a very large crowd, so...
- 1386
- 01:12:03,695 --> 01:12:05,739
- he didn't expect it
- to be so big.
- 1387
- 01:12:05,947 --> 01:12:09,200
- He said, "This feels
- like walking onto a stage.
- 1388
- 01:12:09,409 --> 01:12:11,036
- I wasn't prepared
- for so many people.
- 1389
- 01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:12,620
- How do I play this?"
- 1390
- 01:12:12,829 --> 01:12:13,830
- And I said, "Well...
- 1391
- 01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:16,291
- well, you're a psychopath,
- 1392
- 01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,085
- so they're your toys.
- 1393
- 01:12:19,294 --> 01:12:21,212
- You play with your toys."
- 1394
- 01:12:23,423 --> 01:12:26,509
- Good evening,
- ladies and gentlemen.
- 1395
- 01:12:29,471 --> 01:12:32,557
- We are tonight's entertainment.
- 1396
- 01:12:34,559 --> 01:12:36,936
- I only have one question.
- 1397
- 01:12:37,145 --> 01:12:39,939
- Where is Harvey Dent?
- 1398
- 01:12:50,408 --> 01:12:51,826
- You know where Harvey is?
- Do you know who he is?
- 1399
- 01:12:52,035 --> 01:12:53,036
- That's another trademark
- 1400
- 01:12:53,244 --> 01:12:54,704
- of the actor
- that Heath had become.
- 1401
- 01:12:54,913 --> 01:12:57,082
- He was able to chuck his vanity,
- 1402
- 01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:59,501
- and I think
- his conception of the Joker
- 1403
- 01:12:59,709 --> 01:13:02,420
- did show him
- kind of warts and all,
- 1404
- 01:13:02,629 --> 01:13:05,006
- and he did it on his own
- in the makeup trailer,
- 1405
- 01:13:05,215 --> 01:13:06,508
- and it was very simple.
- 1406
- 01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:09,094
- All it was, was just, like, a
- wash of white pancake makeup
- 1407
- 01:13:09,302 --> 01:13:11,805
- and some smear of red lips.
- 1408
- 01:13:12,013 --> 01:13:13,223
- The prosthetics
- came up onto the lip
- 1409
- 01:13:13,431 --> 01:13:14,474
- and feathered onto the lip,
- 1410
- 01:13:14,682 --> 01:13:17,185
- so it was almost halfway
- into the mouth,
- 1411
- 01:13:17,394 --> 01:13:18,561
- and, of course, when you speak,
- 1412
- 01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:20,271
- the feathering
- of the prosthetics
- 1413
- 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,689
- became loosened,
- 1414
- 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:23,817
- and the last thing Heath
- wanted to do was to go back
- 1415
- 01:13:24,025 --> 01:13:26,361
- and spend another 20 minutes
- or half an hour
- 1416
- 01:13:26,569 --> 01:13:30,281
- trying to get
- the lips glued back again,
- 1417
- 01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:32,659
- so he licked...
- he licked his lips...
- 1418
- 01:13:34,369 --> 01:13:35,870
- a lot...
- 1419
- 01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:38,540
- and then, slowly, that became
- a part of the character.
- 1420
- 01:13:43,378 --> 01:13:45,713
- He knew that he had
- something that was amazing.
- 1421
- 01:13:45,922 --> 01:13:47,090
- He had put
- all this work into it,
- 1422
- 01:13:47,298 --> 01:13:48,383
- and he was actually
- enjoying the work.
- 1423
- 01:13:48,591 --> 01:13:49,551
- Everyone,
- 1424
- 01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:51,428
- every sound technician,
- every producer,
- 1425
- 01:13:51,636 --> 01:13:53,346
- was floored by what he was
- doing in The Dark Knight.
- 1426
- 01:13:53,555 --> 01:13:56,641
- People would be scurrying
- up to screens,
- 1427
- 01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:58,059
- trying to get glimpses on-set,
- 1428
- 01:13:58,268 --> 01:14:00,437
- just because they knew
- when he was on,
- 1429
- 01:14:00,645 --> 01:14:01,813
- it was on.
- 1430
- 01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:05,692
- He felt for the first time,
- as an actor,
- 1431
- 01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:09,070
- that he was like,
- "I'm untouchable.
- 1432
- 01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:10,947
- Every scene I do
- with any other actor,
- 1433
- 01:14:11,156 --> 01:14:13,575
- it doesn't matter
- how amazing they are.
- 1434
- 01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:17,036
- I'm controlling
- and leading these scenes."
- 1435
- 01:14:17,245 --> 01:14:18,788
- He was so confident,
- 1436
- 01:14:18,997 --> 01:14:20,206
- and he was so proud
- of that role.
- 1437
- 01:14:20,415 --> 01:14:22,625
- He was really excited
- for that film to come out.
- 1438
- 01:14:22,834 --> 01:14:26,963
- He was... it was the first time
- I'd heard him in a long time
- 1439
- 01:14:27,172 --> 01:14:31,468
- being excited about, like,
- "this role I've nailed."
- 1440
- 01:14:31,676 --> 01:14:34,053
- You've changed things...
- forever.
- 1441
- 01:14:34,262 --> 01:14:35,722
- Then why do you want
- to kill me?
- 1442
- 01:14:38,516 --> 01:14:40,143
- I don't want to kill you!
- 1443
- 01:14:40,351 --> 01:14:42,270
- What would I do
- without you?
- 1444
- 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:43,354
- Go back to ripping
- off mob dealers?
- 1445
- 01:14:43,563 --> 01:14:45,440
- No, no.
- 1446
- 01:14:45,648 --> 01:14:46,524
- No.
- 1447
- 01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:50,278
- No, you...
- you complete me.
- 1448
- 01:14:50,487 --> 01:14:52,614
- You're garbage
- who kills for money.
- 1449
- 01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:53,448
- Don't talk like one of them.
- 1450
- 01:14:53,656 --> 01:14:55,158
- You're not...
- 1451
- 01:14:55,366 --> 01:14:57,452
- even if you'd like to be.
- 1452
- 01:14:59,037 --> 01:15:00,497
- To them, you're just a freak...
- 1453
- 01:15:00,705 --> 01:15:02,540
- like me.
- 1454
- 01:15:02,749 --> 01:15:03,875
- When he wasn't working,
- 1455
- 01:15:04,083 --> 01:15:06,878
- he would come to set
- and observe and watch Chris
- 1456
- 01:15:07,086 --> 01:15:08,505
- 'cause he was so enamored
- 1457
- 01:15:08,713 --> 01:15:10,089
- with, you know,
- Chris as a director
- 1458
- 01:15:10,298 --> 01:15:12,133
- and wanted to learn
- as much as he could
- 1459
- 01:15:12,342 --> 01:15:13,968
- about what he was building
- and what he was doing.
- 1460
- 01:15:15,261 --> 01:15:16,930
- A lot of people like to think
- 1461
- 01:15:17,138 --> 01:15:20,266
- that it was a strenuous process
- for him,
- 1462
- 01:15:20,475 --> 01:15:21,893
- but he would come off the set,
- 1463
- 01:15:22,101 --> 01:15:25,396
- and we'd chat,
- and we'd have a laugh and joke,
- 1464
- 01:15:25,605 --> 01:15:29,901
- and we had more fun
- than was, um...
- 1465
- 01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:32,612
- than was respectable
- 1466
- 01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:34,322
- for hardworking artists.
- 1467
- 01:15:36,157 --> 01:15:39,577
- It was the most fun
- I've had with a character,
- 1468
- 01:15:39,786 --> 01:15:40,578
- hands down.
- 1469
- 01:15:40,787 --> 01:15:42,872
- Creatively, it was just...
- 1470
- 01:15:43,081 --> 01:15:44,666
- it was too good to be true.
- 1471
- 01:15:52,423 --> 01:15:54,467
- It was Christmas,
- and my whole family,
- 1472
- 01:15:54,676 --> 01:15:55,969
- we were having this wonderful
- great big dinner.
- 1473
- 01:15:56,177 --> 01:15:59,639
- He came and surprised us,
- as he loved to do.
- 1474
- 01:16:01,599 --> 01:16:05,687
- He'd shown me some snippets
- of him as the Joker,
- 1475
- 01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:08,147
- and, I mean, I was blown away.
- 1476
- 01:16:08,356 --> 01:16:09,607
- I couldn't believe it,
- 1477
- 01:16:09,816 --> 01:16:11,818
- and I just said to him,
- you know,
- 1478
- 01:16:12,026 --> 01:16:13,444
- "This is amazing.
- 1479
- 01:16:13,653 --> 01:16:15,613
- This is, like, taking it
- to the next level.
- 1480
- 01:16:15,822 --> 01:16:16,990
- Like, you're going
- to be nominated for this,
- 1481
- 01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:18,533
- I'm telling you right now,"
- 1482
- 01:16:18,741 --> 01:16:19,909
- and he just smiled.
- 1483
- 01:16:21,995 --> 01:16:23,162
- Heath was over the moon
- 1484
- 01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:25,540
- about the role of the Joker
- in The Dark Knight.
- 1485
- 01:16:25,748 --> 01:16:28,084
- He was very pleased
- with the way it was going
- 1486
- 01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:31,421
- and the input that he had
- into that character.
- 1487
- 01:16:35,174 --> 01:16:36,259
- It was after the dinner,
- 1488
- 01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:38,845
- and he kind of, like,
- leaned over at one point
- 1489
- 01:16:39,053 --> 01:16:41,014
- and said, "Oh, by the way,
- 1490
- 01:16:41,222 --> 01:16:42,974
- I'm taking you back to London
- with me,"
- 1491
- 01:16:43,182 --> 01:16:45,268
- and I was like, "What?"
- and my mom was like, "What?"
- 1492
- 01:16:46,894 --> 01:16:49,689
- "Oh, no, here we go again."
- 1493
- 01:16:49,897 --> 01:16:52,525
- It was his time
- to take his little sister,
- 1494
- 01:16:52,734 --> 01:16:55,486
- introduce her
- to the entertainment world.
- 1495
- 01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,532
- Heath was
- in the best place of his life.
- 1496
- 01:16:59,741 --> 01:17:02,702
- He had a kid
- who he loved and adored.
- 1497
- 01:17:02,910 --> 01:17:05,496
- He was making the films
- he wanted to make.
- 1498
- 01:17:05,705 --> 01:17:08,583
- He had big plans for his future.
- 1499
- 01:17:11,753 --> 01:17:12,879
- In three weeks' time,
- 1500
- 01:17:13,087 --> 01:17:14,547
- I start filming
- with Terry Gilliam,
- 1501
- 01:17:14,756 --> 01:17:15,757
- and I'd really do any...
- 1502
- 01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:18,593
- I'd cut carrots
- and serve the catering
- 1503
- 01:17:18,801 --> 01:17:21,346
- on a Gilliam film.
- 1504
- 01:17:21,554 --> 01:17:24,349
- I really, really love the guy,
- and so...
- 1505
- 01:17:24,557 --> 01:17:27,101
- yeah, I'm doing The Imaginarium
- of Dr. Parnassus,
- 1506
- 01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:29,646
- and then I'll
- drop to the ground, dead,
- 1507
- 01:17:29,854 --> 01:17:30,980
- for a year,
- 1508
- 01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:32,649
- and hibernate.
- 1509
- 01:17:32,857 --> 01:17:34,692
- The Imaginarium
- of Dr. Parnassus...
- 1510
- 01:17:34,901 --> 01:17:37,445
- I was able to work with him
- for two weeks on,
- 1511
- 01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:40,490
- in freezing cold London,
- in all the night shoots,
- 1512
- 01:17:40,698 --> 01:17:41,783
- in all of its glory.
- 1513
- 01:17:41,991 --> 01:17:44,869
- We were on
- Blackfriars Bridge...
- 1514
- 01:17:45,078 --> 01:17:46,913
- bitterly cold.
- 1515
- 01:17:47,121 --> 01:17:49,999
- He spent most of the night
- hanging off the bridge,
- 1516
- 01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:51,334
- having rain poured on him...
- 1517
- 01:17:52,835 --> 01:17:54,837
- so he was very wet.
- 1518
- 01:17:55,046 --> 01:17:56,422
- I'm not sure that helped him.
- 1519
- 01:17:58,716 --> 01:18:01,511
- A lot of the crew
- were fighting colds and whatnot,
- 1520
- 01:18:01,719 --> 01:18:04,597
- but I do just remember
- Gerry saying
- 1521
- 01:18:04,806 --> 01:18:06,349
- he had the strength of a horse,
- 1522
- 01:18:06,557 --> 01:18:08,893
- I think is what he said.
- 1523
- 01:18:11,604 --> 01:18:12,855
- His body was tired, I know.
- 1524
- 01:18:13,064 --> 01:18:14,148
- He was tired.
- 1525
- 01:18:14,357 --> 01:18:17,151
- He developed a bad flu,
- and that exhausted him.
- 1526
- 01:18:21,489 --> 01:18:23,991
- We were staying
- in the same apartment.
- 1527
- 01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,828
- I would wake,
- I'd hear him wandering around,
- 1528
- 01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:28,871
- and sometimes
- he'd come into my room,
- 1529
- 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,833
- and we had the conversation
- 1530
- 01:18:32,041 --> 01:18:35,169
- that the sleeping medication
- wasn't really helping him sleep.
- 1531
- 01:18:40,007 --> 01:18:41,134
- At times, he would say,
- 1532
- 01:18:41,342 --> 01:18:43,970
- "I'm just having a hard time
- kind of, you know,
- 1533
- 01:18:44,178 --> 01:18:45,555
- laying it down
- at the end of the day
- 1534
- 01:18:45,763 --> 01:18:47,432
- and not thinking about stuff."
- 1535
- 01:18:49,016 --> 01:18:50,143
- I knew the pressures
- that were in his life.
- 1536
- 01:18:50,351 --> 01:18:52,311
- I knew he was sick.
- 1537
- 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,188
- I knew he had pneumonia.
- 1538
- 01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:57,191
- I knew he had these long flights
- from London to New York.
- 1539
- 01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,610
- We were about
- to wrap up in London.
- 1540
- 01:18:59,819 --> 01:19:05,199
- He had sent myself
- and his assistant, Nathan, ahead
- 1541
- 01:19:05,408 --> 01:19:06,492
- to prep the apartment
- 1542
- 01:19:06,701 --> 01:19:09,495
- for when we were going
- to all be there, and...
- 1543
- 01:19:22,258 --> 01:19:24,677
- I hadn't talked
- to him all morning,
- 1544
- 01:19:24,886 --> 01:19:26,137
- and it was pretty rare,
- 1545
- 01:19:26,345 --> 01:19:28,014
- and I was getting concerned.
- 1546
- 01:19:28,222 --> 01:19:31,100
- I kept texting,
- saying, "Hey, what's up?
- 1547
- 01:19:31,309 --> 01:19:32,351
- Where are you?
- What's going on?"
- 1548
- 01:19:35,146 --> 01:19:37,607
- And, honestly, he would've
- texted back or called me back
- 1549
- 01:19:37,815 --> 01:19:40,193
- in almost any situation...
- 1550
- 01:19:40,401 --> 01:19:43,529
- any situation,
- except if he was...
- 1551
- 01:19:43,738 --> 01:19:45,156
- you know...
- 1552
- 01:19:45,364 --> 01:19:47,867
- ♪ Someday my pain ♪
- 1553
- 01:19:48,075 --> 01:19:51,329
- And I put my BlackBerry down
- on the desk,
- 1554
- 01:19:51,537 --> 01:19:53,331
- and, um...
- 1555
- 01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:55,082
- I kind of just stared at it...
- 1556
- 01:19:58,628 --> 01:19:59,462
- ♪ Harness your blame ♪
- 1557
- 01:19:59,670 --> 01:20:01,339
- And then the phone rang,
- 1558
- 01:20:01,547 --> 01:20:05,760
- and it was his publicist,
- Mara Buxbaum,
- 1559
- 01:20:05,968 --> 01:20:08,304
- and, um, and she was crying.
- 1560
- 01:20:11,682 --> 01:20:13,226
- And I called his dad,
- 1561
- 01:20:13,434 --> 01:20:14,519
- and his dad's phone was off,
- 1562
- 01:20:14,727 --> 01:20:15,728
- and I called his mum,
- 1563
- 01:20:15,937 --> 01:20:18,105
- and she was trying
- to find out information,
- 1564
- 01:20:18,314 --> 01:20:20,608
- so I called one of our friends
- in New York
- 1565
- 01:20:20,817 --> 01:20:22,860
- to see if she could
- go to his house,
- 1566
- 01:20:23,069 --> 01:20:24,487
- and she was like,
- "Trev, I'm here,
- 1567
- 01:20:24,695 --> 01:20:26,197
- and I can't get in,"
- 1568
- 01:20:26,405 --> 01:20:29,742
- and that's when
- reality kicked in.
- 1569
- 01:20:29,951 --> 01:20:31,619
- ♪ Send it farther on ♪
- 1570
- 01:20:31,828 --> 01:20:32,620
- More texts
- from different people
- 1571
- 01:20:32,829 --> 01:20:34,080
- start rolling in.
- 1572
- 01:20:34,288 --> 01:20:37,250
- I'm like, "No, no, no, no,
- someone's messing with me,"
- 1573
- 01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,752
- and I actually called the phone,
- and it rung out.
- 1574
- 01:20:39,961 --> 01:20:42,421
- I wanted to say,
- "Please call me back.
- 1575
- 01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:44,674
- Please call me back,"
- you know,
- 1576
- 01:20:44,882 --> 01:20:46,008
- but I just froze and hung up.
- 1577
- 01:20:48,511 --> 01:20:50,930
- I got a call from a friend,
- 1578
- 01:20:51,138 --> 01:20:57,395
- and right away, I knew
- something awful had happened.
- 1579
- 01:20:59,522 --> 01:21:02,984
- I did call his phone
- a few times.
- 1580
- 01:21:07,655 --> 01:21:10,700
- The world did find out
- before we did.
- 1581
- 01:21:10,908 --> 01:21:12,702
- It will haunt me
- for the rest of my life.
- 1582
- 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:13,911
- I guess we're no different
- 1583
- 01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,455
- from anyone else
- that loses a child
- 1584
- 01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:18,499
- or loses somebody suddenly...
- 1585
- 01:21:18,708 --> 01:21:19,667
- the only difference being
- 1586
- 01:21:19,876 --> 01:21:21,878
- is that we had
- to live our feelings out
- 1587
- 01:21:22,086 --> 01:21:22,962
- in the public eye.
- 1588
- 01:21:25,214 --> 01:21:26,090
- It was our boy,
- 1589
- 01:21:26,299 --> 01:21:29,468
- and it was the world's moment,
- 1590
- 01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:31,596
- and our private moment,
- 1591
- 01:21:31,804 --> 01:21:34,223
- but it was something
- that we had to share,
- 1592
- 01:21:34,432 --> 01:21:37,268
- and sharing that...
- across the world
- 1593
- 01:21:37,476 --> 01:21:38,394
- was so hard, you know?
- 1594
- 01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:44,775
- That was a very sad day.
- It was.
- 1595
- 01:21:44,984 --> 01:21:47,361
- ♪ What might have been lost ♪
- 1596
- 01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:49,697
- I just got up
- and went home.
- 1597
- 01:21:51,407 --> 01:21:52,241
- I just hid.
- 1598
- 01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:55,202
- ♪ What might have been lost ♪
- 1599
- 01:21:57,121 --> 01:22:01,500
- ♪ What might have been lost ♪
- 1600
- 01:22:01,709 --> 01:22:04,712
- I was shooting a music video
- on a day that he died.
- 1601
- 01:22:07,173 --> 01:22:11,093
- I was in Eau Claire, Wisconsin,
- with Justin, who is Bon Iver.
- 1602
- 01:22:11,302 --> 01:22:14,847
- I saw that I had, like,
- 35 messages on my phone.
- 1603
- 01:22:15,056 --> 01:22:17,183
- ♪ Don't bother me
- What might have been ♪
- 1604
- 01:22:17,391 --> 01:22:19,852
- I just heard
- what sounded like crying...
- 1605
- 01:22:21,938 --> 01:22:22,897
- and Matt told me
- 1606
- 01:22:23,105 --> 01:22:24,982
- that his friend Heath
- had passed away,
- 1607
- 01:22:25,191 --> 01:22:27,944
- and I just held him
- for the longest time,
- 1608
- 01:22:28,152 --> 01:22:29,362
- and I just told him,
- "Whatever you need to do, man,
- 1609
- 01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:31,739
- we're here for you."
- 1610
- 01:22:31,948 --> 01:22:33,282
- This person that I just met
- 1611
- 01:22:33,491 --> 01:22:36,243
- just had lost
- somebody so important to them.
- 1612
- 01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:39,580
- It was no longer about making
- a Bon Iver music video anymore.
- 1613
- 01:22:39,789 --> 01:22:44,794
- This was now our chance
- to be there with Matt
- 1614
- 01:22:45,002 --> 01:22:47,171
- as he grieved.
- 1615
- 01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:48,047
- ♪ What might have been lost ♪
- 1616
- 01:22:48,255 --> 01:22:52,134
- It was a three-day...wake.
- 1617
- 01:22:52,343 --> 01:22:54,303
- ♪ Don't bother me ♪
- 1618
- 01:22:54,512 --> 01:22:56,180
- I was deeply sad,
- 1619
- 01:22:56,389 --> 01:22:57,890
- but Heath didn't want me
- to be sad.
- 1620
- 01:22:58,099 --> 01:23:01,602
- He wanted to see me smile
- all the time,
- 1621
- 01:23:01,811 --> 01:23:07,566
- and he couldn't have possibly
- given me more in my life,
- 1622
- 01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:09,902
- and I'm very lucky.
- 1623
- 01:23:40,433 --> 01:23:41,142
- Out of these three days
- 1624
- 01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:42,560
- that I spent with Matt,
- 1625
- 01:23:42,768 --> 01:23:45,938
- I got the next five years
- of my life.
- 1626
- 01:23:46,147 --> 01:23:47,982
- I started writing
- all these words down,
- 1627
- 01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:49,233
- some of these visions
- 1628
- 01:23:49,442 --> 01:23:51,152
- that Matt
- would kind of tell me
- 1629
- 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,821
- about Heath growing up
- in Australia,
- 1630
- 01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:56,824
- and the words ended up
- being the first song there,
- 1631
- 01:23:57,033 --> 01:23:57,783
- and I called it "Perth."
- 1632
- 01:24:07,001 --> 01:24:08,377
- It's still hard
- when people talk about it,
- 1633
- 01:24:08,586 --> 01:24:11,172
- and people have
- preconceived ideas about how...
- 1634
- 01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:12,965
- surrounding that period of time.
- 1635
- 01:24:13,174 --> 01:24:14,050
- It's, you know...
- 1636
- 01:24:14,258 --> 01:24:16,719
- but that's what people do,
- you know?
- 1637
- 01:24:16,927 --> 01:24:19,138
- They come up
- with their version of it
- 1638
- 01:24:19,346 --> 01:24:22,475
- that makes it
- convenient and tidy
- 1639
- 01:24:22,683 --> 01:24:26,312
- and, you know,
- and also tells a good story.
- 1640
- 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,399
- The truth is, he was super happy
- 1641
- 01:24:30,608 --> 01:24:33,194
- and was loving life,
- 1642
- 01:24:33,402 --> 01:24:36,822
- and he struggled
- with some demons,
- 1643
- 01:24:37,031 --> 01:24:41,202
- but he wasn't wanting
- to go anywhere but forward.
- 1644
- 01:24:43,746 --> 01:24:46,832
- His heart was just
- incredibly beautiful.
- 1645
- 01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:51,337
- Fearless in how he loved
- and how he opened his heart.
- 1646
- 01:24:51,545 --> 01:24:53,047
- He was seeing the world
- 1647
- 01:24:53,255 --> 01:24:55,883
- in a way
- that the rest of us didn't,
- 1648
- 01:24:56,092 --> 01:24:58,511
- and in a way
- that the rest of us couldn't,
- 1649
- 01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:02,556
- and time and convention meant
- absolutely nothing to him.
- 1650
- 01:25:04,225 --> 01:25:05,434
- He had this light around him.
- 1651
- 01:25:05,643 --> 01:25:06,435
- Wherever he went,
- 1652
- 01:25:06,644 --> 01:25:07,770
- he shone light on people.
- 1653
- 01:25:07,978 --> 01:25:08,854
- It made their lives better.
- 1654
- 01:25:09,063 --> 01:25:09,897
- ♪ Not yet awake ♪
- 1655
- 01:25:10,106 --> 01:25:11,023
- All our lives
- were better
- 1656
- 01:25:11,232 --> 01:25:12,566
- for him being around...
- 1657
- 01:25:12,775 --> 01:25:15,361
- and we still talk about it now.
- 1658
- 01:25:16,445 --> 01:25:19,115
- ♪ Still alive who you love ♪
- 1659
- 01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:27,665
- ♪ Still alive who you love ♪
- 1660
- 01:25:32,378 --> 01:25:33,754
- ♪ Still alive ♪
- 1661
- 01:25:33,963 --> 01:25:34,880
- We are lucky
- 1662
- 01:25:35,089 --> 01:25:37,550
- that he completed
- so much in his life
- 1663
- 01:25:37,758 --> 01:25:39,468
- that not only he is proud of,
- 1664
- 01:25:39,677 --> 01:25:42,096
- but it's left
- for his little girl, Matilda,
- 1665
- 01:25:42,304 --> 01:25:44,098
- to see what her daddy was
- 1666
- 01:25:44,306 --> 01:25:47,268
- and how creative and artistic
- he was.
- 1667
- 01:25:47,476 --> 01:25:49,228
- There's
- all of this footage of him.
- 1668
- 01:25:49,436 --> 01:25:53,023
- There's these films
- that she gets to watch
- 1669
- 01:25:53,232 --> 01:25:56,068
- and be proud
- of who her father was.
- 1670
- 01:25:56,277 --> 01:25:58,863
- I have no doubt
- that he could've done
- 1671
- 01:25:59,071 --> 01:26:02,992
- innumerable more
- extraordinary performances
- 1672
- 01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,244
- and given those gifts
- to the world.
- 1673
- 01:26:05,452 --> 01:26:07,454
- ♪ So I'm ridding
- all your stories ♪
- 1674
- 01:26:07,663 --> 01:26:10,207
- In Chinese,
- we call it "God envy,"
- 1675
- 01:26:10,416 --> 01:26:13,544
- a person so talented
- that even God envy him.
- 1676
- 01:26:13,752 --> 01:26:15,880
- ♪ You're breaking
- your ground ♪
- 1677
- 01:26:16,088 --> 01:26:20,176
- The trajectory he went on
- in such a short time
- 1678
- 01:26:20,384 --> 01:26:21,969
- was extraordinary.
- 1679
- 01:28:31,223 --> 01:28:33,225
- Do you look at this
- and think to yourself,
- 1680
- 01:28:33,434 --> 01:28:34,560
- "Somebody's maybe making
- 1681
- 01:28:34,768 --> 01:28:38,689
- an impressionistic film
- about my life someday?"
- 1682
- 01:28:38,897 --> 01:28:41,317
- In not maybe this year,
- but in 10 years from now?
- 1683
- 01:28:41,525 --> 01:28:42,818
- Um, wow,
- 1684
- 01:28:43,027 --> 01:28:45,863
- I haven't given it
- any thought, no.
- 1685
- 01:28:46,071 --> 01:28:47,865
- I haven't, and, um,
- 1686
- 01:28:48,073 --> 01:28:51,744
- I think it would be
- a pretty boring movie.
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