where i quit

CPP: ((I try to get everyone to participate because they tell me they're bored))
CPP: ((But when I get something together, people get upset because they have to go outside their groups))
CBD: (( but when you FORCE people to participate in something they don't want to, that will cause people to quit ))
CPP: ((But if I don't do SOMETHING, people leave anyways))
CBD: (( you can DO things, but dont FORCE people to participate ))
CBD: (( those that want to will, and those that dont want to should not be forced into it ))
CBD: (( allow people to pick and choose what events theyd like to be involved in ))
CPP: (( Then tell me why when plot things happen, I am the only one doing anything? ))
CBD: (( frankly i dont like being too involved with events ))
CBD: (( and if my choices are to either be involved against my will or not be in the memo at all ))
CBD: (( i will leave ))
CBD: (( at least until the event is over ))
CBD: (( and also MAYBE its because you plan things in secret with one or two people and then shove it on the rest of us ))
CPP: ((Are you the same way, KK?))
CPP: (( Bird, have you ever played DnD?))
CBD: (( no i have not, i couldnt get into it ))
CPA made GT an OP.
CPP: (( The principle of a DM (Dungeon Master) is the same as what my job here in the memois))
CBD: (( you should ask people what sort of events theyd actually like to participate it, and not be so secretive. especially when, if youre being overly secretive because you were wanting it to be a "surprise", you and others get made when the people you purposely kept completely out of the loop dont react the way you wanted to ))
CPP: (( A DM will not tell you anything about what he is planning. He will put a set of pths in front of you, and you pick your path))
CBD: (( ok well this aint DND ))
CBD: (( so ))
CBD: (( whatevs ))
CBD: (( you cannot keep everyone in the dark and then throw shit on them and expect them to be ok with everything ))
CPP: ((If I left it up to you guys (like I have been for months), you would not focus outside of your little group ))
CPP: ((If we didn't have CR come in, we would have sat on our asses this whole time))
CBD: (( fine ok just dont read anything im saying ))
CBD: (( youre missing every fucking point im making ))
CBD: (( AGAIN ))
CPP: ((I'm trying to understand, Bird))
CPP: (( Put it to me plain and simple))
CBD: (( plain and simple ))
CBD: (( big plot shit aint bad ))
CBD: (( HOWEVER ))
CPP: ((I'm kinda still fucked up about my dad okay))
CBD: (( you CAN. NOT. keep everyone in the fucking dark all the time about everything, never ask for feedback on what you might be planning to see if itll even go over well, and then throw it on everyone and get mad if not everyone likes what youve done ))
CBD: (( that is the number one way to alienate people and make them feel like their thoughts dont matter, and make them quit ))
CBD: (( i almost fucking quit last night ))
CBD: (( MC and I were talking about making our own memo ))
CBD: (( KK talked me into giving this another chance ))
CPP: (( I feel like you guys already own mine))
CPP: (( I never get a say in anything anymore))
CPP: (( Everyone goes over my head))
CBD: (( if you want to run the memo with FORCED secret events that no one but one or two people are allowed to plan with you and give opinions on before hand, thats your business, but you cannot get mad at others for not liking it ))
CKK: I think we should wait to talk about this further, since Tall's dad is in the hospital. :c ]
CPP: (( No, it's best I talk now so I can be honest))
CPP: (( If I don't talk now I'll bottle it up and go back to just sitting there and letting people walk all over me))
CBD: (( i for one do not like that shit because being forced into things i didnt have a choice in participating in stresses me out and makes me cry IRL ))
CPP: ((If you didn't like being forced into things, why did you join Ancestors? Every person who comes in is forced into our plot))
CBD: (( there is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference between a setting and being forced into an event ))
CURRENT emeraldHedgehog [CEH] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CEH: hello?
CPP: (( The only reason OH and I ((AND CR)) Do not tell every one every single detail in advance is because ))
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CPP: (( Well, fuck. We'd never get anything going because no one wants our shit))
CBD: (( wow maybe thats a sign ))
CPP: (( I've come to understand that a lot of people who come in just do so for the setting))
CBD: (( you should probably ask people about their opinions on things first ))
CPP: (( No one ACTUALLY wants plot advancement anymore))
CBD: (( "hey guys how do you feel if something like this happened" ))
CPP: (( I told you want we had planned!))
CPP: (( You were okay with it!))
CBD: (( no you fucking didnt ))
CBD: (( you told me something was going to happen ~eventually~ ))
CPP: ((MC and KK and everyone said "Oh tal that sounds interesting!"))
CBD: (( and i honestly expected you to tell me before it started ))
CBD: (( because i would CHOOSE not to rp that day ))
CPP: ((I can't garuntee when people will be on))
CEH ceased responding to memo.
CPP: (( Everyone gets on eventually ))
CBD: (( and by the way you mentiuoned NOTHING about an OOC lord english flipping his shit at my characters ))
CPP: (( All I wanted was how we used to do hthings ))
CBD: (( all you mentioned was that hisdarkEmperor dude who has never had anything to do with me or my characters so i figured i could just avoid it entirely ))
CPP: ((Why don't you like participating in large events bird?))
CBD: (( i just dont fucking like it ))
CBD: (( things get too fast and theres too much information and everyones posting at once and it gets way too stressful way too fast ))
CPP: (( Well, you don't have to worry about OH and what we had going on anymre))
CBD: (( but seriously you whine that people dont like the ~*SECRET*~ plot shit YOU and TWO PEOPLE come up with. Maybe thats a sign that you could try polling for opinions on various things before hand ))
CPP: (( Maybe))
CPP: (( just maybe))
CBD: (( events are not BAD but different people like different things and not everyone likes participating ))
CPP: (( Let's entertain this idea for a memo now))
CPP: (( I am the DM of this memo))
CURRENT gracefulTwin [CGT] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CGT: ((holy crap, i come back from afking to a wall of ooc x.x ))
CPP: (( I have and always will be))
CPP: (( No one ever cared before))
CPP: (( Because what I gave them was good))
CPP: (( They gave it a chance))
CBD: (( every single one of your plots is exactly the same ))
CPP: (( And if something didn't go well, we woud handle it civily))
CURRENT theCondesce [CTC] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CTC: )(ello
CPP: (( foreshadowing > event> lowpoint> highpoint> confrontation> relaxation))
CPP: ((I'll admit, that's the order I prefer))
CHC ceased responding to memo.
CBD: (( all of the stuff with CR can be summed up with: There are spirits. Some are nice. Really strong mean ones show up, with some control over the nicer ones. Omg drama and fight scenes and then everybody's dead and/or friends. Bring in the next crazy spirit. Repeat ad nauseum ))
CURRENT blueBell [CBB] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CBB: ((that's my plot birdy. c:))
CBD: (( it got boring after the second time ))
CPP: ((Why didn't you say anything then? Why didn't anyone?))
CBD: (( because at the time i didnt have to participate ))
CBD: (( i could very easily ignore it ))
CBD: (( while those who wanted to participate did so ))
CBD: (( it was boring to me but at least i could choose not to be involved ))
CPP: ((I'm not asking for a lot, I don't think, when we do things))
CBB: ((that's the point of my plot. i'm not a well of creativity, so whoever wants to participate in mine can. but tal's plots are varied. mine is the monotonous one.))
CBD: (( if youre asking me to do things with my characters that i dont want to/am not comfortable doing, you've asked too much. right there. ))
CPP: ((What are things you don't want them doing? Like, for serious. Because so far, all you seem comfortable with is family snuggles))
CPP: ((I do not want RP cliques in my memo. I've said it before))
CBD: (( i love my characters meeting new people and getting to know them ))
CBD: (( but i dont like having HUGE LIFE ALTERING EVERYTHING CHANGING SHIT thrust at them ))
CPP: ((Life is like that sometimes though. Hell, look at me. My dad could die! But we have to keep moving forward))
CBD: (( implying i dont rp to escape life ))
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CPP: ((If you were going to do a plot Bird, what would you do))
CTC ceased responding to memo.
CCS ceased responding to memo.
CPP: ((Can you come up with something that would actually be interesting, and conver plenty of emotions?))
CBD: (( i dont fucking know i never write big plot shit ))
CPP: *cover
CBD: (( even when i write stories, the conflicts are always small ))
?NN: [what
CBD: (( the biggest story plot ive ever written was centered around a single person, with a second coming in at the end ))
CPP: (( How am I supposed to keep everyone on their toes as the DM/owner if I can't have secrets?))
CPP: ((That's like.. the only thing I don't get))
CPP: ((Polling won't work because no one cares about the tumblr I would post it at))
CBD: (( let me just remind you that the biggest reason the CKC rp that lasted nearly two years died is because too much plot shit was kept secret ))
CBD: (( and the people kept out of the loop werent reacting the way the people in the loop wanted ))
CBD: (( and everyone got fed up and then me and one other person were the only ones still RPing after a while ))
CPP: ((We were going to bring in people slowly IC begining with English))
CBD: (( and then we quit too ))
CPP: ((Dropping hints and info))
CBD: (( i didnt have any fucking hints that english was going to blow up at my characters and then starts tearing down half the setting ))
CPP: ((More tiny charecters would breeze through as we worked on the Warnets))
CNN gave SS voice.
?NN ceased responding to memo.
CPA made SS an OP.
CBD: (( i didnt even have hints that that english was important ))
CPP: Tell me, if Englithh thhowed up in your bedroom right now))
CPP: (( It's... English))
CURRENT surrealSuppression [CSS] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CSS: [i'd shit myself
CBD: (( most englishes that come into memos just fuck around and then leave ))
CSS: [it'd be everywhere
CBD: (( and by fuck around i mean dont do anything important ))
CPP: (( Everyone saw Tal come out just to talk to him several times))
CBD: (( mostly just "look im english oowoowoowooowoowow look my space eeeeyes" and then leaves ))
CPP: (( Tal made a point to focus on him))
CBD: (( ive never seen an english do anything important in a memo ever ))
CBD: (( all i expected was shenanigans ))
CPP: ((Talked to him like the knew eachother))
CBD: (( like putting ZW in a dress ))
CPP: ((that shit was pretty funny))
CSS: [men belong in dresses
CSS: [it's the only way we know we're manly men
CSS: [with chest hairs
CSS: [and moustaches
CSS: [and shit
CBB: ((here here))
CPP: ((But it was to build that this /alternate/English was playful))
CSS: [no
CSS: [ no
CSS: [gufk
CSS: [no
CSS: [go away
CSS: [/TSUNS AT BB/
CSS: [TSUN
CBB: ((>:D))
CBD: (( i did not fucking expect him to blow up at my characters, and have the way Bird acted basically cause him to tear apart the setting ))
CBB: ((i see everything SS. you should know that by now.))
CPP: ((He needed something to react to so we could get hints dropped))
CBD: (( thats more than a fucking HINT ))
CBD: (( destorying BUILDINGS and STARS and shit is not a fucking HINT ))
CPP: ((No one pays attention to YD or OH or he could have used that))
CSS: [hm
CPP: ((If you had lread what he said))
CSS: [is it possible for us
CSS: [to
CSS: [start all over since now we know
CPP: (( And not focused on his actions))
CSS: [what the fucks going on?
CURRENT ectoBioloderp [CEB] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CEB: (( ??? ))
CPP: ((No, OH won't becoming back in with plots))
CPP: ((The warnets never exsisted now))
CSS: [aw
CSS: [but
CSS: [that
CSS: [aw
CPP: ((We're keeping just enough plot to keep us on the planet))
CEM ceased responding to memo.
CEB: (( what happened? ))
CBD: (( YD didnt like that people werent reacting favorably to all his secret shit ))
CPP: (( and we didn't even touch my secret shit~))
CSS: [do i get gloves if i do
CPP: ((No))
CSS: [aw
CBB: ((who needs gloves? c:))
CSS: [it's shit
CPP: ((^))
CSS: [i'm not touching it
CSS: [with my bare hands
CPP: ((But seriously. Things are being blown way out of proportion))
CBB: ((but it's tal's shit SS. pshhhaww))
CPP: (( You probably would have only had to actually interact once or twice bird))
CGT: ((-instert dirty perv comment here-))
CPP: ((Since I handle all the plot anyways))
CBD: (( that youd be forcing me into anything onces is too much ))
CBD: (( thats all ))
CPP: (( four handles at a time))
CPP: ((Forcing you to acknoledge English and then a booming voice outside the hive))
CPP: (( Is too much))
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CURRENT gamZee4evah [CGZ] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CGZ: Hello
CPP: ((Because that's all we really had planned at that time))
CBB: ((i am just shooting my opinion out here. i don't think anyone should be forced to participate, but i think if it's a memo wide plot you should expect to be somewhat involved unless you avoid the place while the plot is in motion. :| ))
CBD: (( english blowing up at my character, and my characters interactions with him causing him to DESTROY HALF THE SETTING is too much yeah ))
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CBD: (( thats the thing BB ))
CBD: (( i dont want to participate ))
CBD: (( i want the option to back out ))
CBD: (( to not have anything to do with anything AT ALL ))
CBD: (( not even a little ))
CPP: ((He just blew up stars and took away things none of you cared about))
CBD: (( i want the fucking OPTION ))
CBD: (( all ive been asking for is to not be FORCED into huge things ))
CPP: (( This is the first time you've been asked to participate))
CBB: ((yeah, and i mean that feels fair, but i think the way we all went about handling it is the real problem. like, instead of people being like "don't let it happen again" "okay sorry cool", it's this huge ordeal.))
CBD: (( if the actions of my characters directly caused STARS AND BUILDINGS to be destoryed then im NOT OKAY WITH IT ))
CBD: (( you seem to not be GETTING that ))
CBD: (( i was NOT. OKAY. WITHY THAT. ))
CBD: (( i was NOT OKAY with being the catalyst in that situation ))
CSS: [...
CPP: ((laging, too many windows hols on))
CPP ceased responding to memo.
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CPA: ((Why though))
CBB: ((i think that's a fair way to feel bird. i just think if we worked this out as it was happening, we wouldn't have a problem. i mean, it's too late to patch up the feelings now, but yeah. i guess i just wish this was already resolved.))
CBD: (( because i just am not ))
CPA: (( What if it had been KK??))
CBD: (( i wasnt ok with it ))
CBD: (( period ))
CPA: ((So, do I need to make a note in the rules about you not being okay with shit?))
CPA made II an OP.
CBD: (( now youre just being a prat ))
CBB: ((if bird didn't want to be in the plot, becoming the one who starts things sort of drags him in, even if it wasn't intentional...is what i think.))
CPA: ((No, I'm being serious))
CPA: ((People need to know beforehand))
CPA: (( WhenI told you I had plot coming, you should have told me))
CBD: (( you should not have to make rules for individual people you just realize that your memo has lots of people in it and everyone has different opinions and you shouldnt expect them all to feel the same way as you ))
CBD: (( you should not force anyone into anything ))
CPA: (( Hey Tal, I'm cool with it happening, just don't make me too big of a part))
CBD: (( you told me you were planning stuff with hisdarkEmperor ))
CBB: ((i think i will back out, since i'm not helping and i get both of you. *backs into the safe zone*))
CBD: (( my thought process was ))
CPA: ((Bird, there are rules in place already just for you))
CBD: (( that i could just ignore him ))
CPA: ((That you okayed and came up with))
CBD: (( and i wouldnt be forced into anything ))
CBD: (( the rules i wrote are things to create a fair evniroment for everyone, not just me ))
CBD: (( you are trying to create an unfair enviroment in which people are to be forced into things they may not wanted to have participated in ))
CPA: ((Yes, but the only reason we came up with them is because you were not okay with things. No one else needed them))
CBD: (( and you dont seem to get that its not just me ))
CPA: (( Tell me, everyone who is here: Do any of you want plot suprises? involvement?))
CPA: (( KK, BB, SS, GT?))
CGT: ((YES i wouldd like 2 come in2 the memo aandd DDO something raather then just sit aaroundd aandd creep)
CBB: (( i enjoy the plots, but that's all i'm saying. i don't want to be teaming up on one person here. <:( ))
CBD: (( as long as i can choose not to be fucking a part of it and am not used as a catalyst without someone at least asking me in PM first ))
CURRENT immortalInterloper [CII] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CII: ((May I interject?))
CGT: ((i was excited for the warnet shit because it gave me something to do....i come in for maybe five minutes, try to put myself into the rp going on but i get snubbed after a few minutes and i end up leaving))
CKK: [ I like to be told before something major happens, so I can plan accordingly.
CKK: ]
CPA: ((I'm cool with you doing so, II))
CKK: [ So I know what to do and where to put my babies ;A; ]
CKK: [ Yes, I legit worry about my fictional babies. ]
CSS: [ i like suprises
CII: (( When it comes to public roleplay, like an open memo, everything is made public))
CBD: (( if YD had PMd me before bird was forced into the position of being a catalyst about whether it was ok or not ))
CBD: (( id have said no ))
CBD: (( and to pick someone else ))
CBD: (( and then there would be no shit storm ))
CII: (( If you walk into a park, can you not legall speak to everyone who is standing outside?))
CII: *Legally, excuse me
CII: ((Yd should not have had to PM you, because you should have said here, in brackets, that you were not okay with it))
CBD: (( yes, but you also have the right to complain and leave if they harass you ))
CBD: (( ok you know what ))
CBD: (( im done ))
CBD: (( i quite ))
CPA: ((Bird, no please))
CBD: (( you have your secret plot shit and have fun forcing people into things they dont want to do ))
CPA: (( Why can't you just try to hear what I'm saying for once?!?!
CBD: (( why cant YOU?))
CPA: (( Why does it always have to be abut you?!)
CBD: (( its not about ME its about EVERYONE ))
CGT: ((you're the only one complaining....js))
CPA: (( You are the only one who complained!!))
CBD: (( your head is too far up your own fucking ASS with all your TEE HEE SECRET PLOT SHIT LETS FORCE EVERYONE INTO IT that you cant fucking realize that NOT EVERYNE IS OK WITH ))
CBD: (( MC WASNT OK WITH IT ))
CBD: (( QUINN WASNT OK WITH IT ))
CPA: ((MC wasn't there!))
CBD: (( KK WASNT OK WITH IT ))
CPA: (( Quinn didn't say anything!))
CBD: (( because quinn is TOO NICE ))
CBD: (( we talked about it in PM all night and he told me he was being too nice to say how he really fucking felt ))
CPA: (( SO WHAT, EVERYONE IN THIS MEMO IS LYING TO ME. IS THAT IT.))
CKK: [ Actually, I've had people ignore me in parks when I tried talking to them :c ]
CPA: ((Tell me now, everyone! Are you all lying to me?))
CGT: ((i would say hi to you kk))
CGT: ((i have nothing to lie about o3o))
CKK: [ i'm not lying, I just don't want to make anyone else upset :c ]
CSS: [....
CII: ((I swear, you all act like your age is your shoe size.))
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CBD: (( but if you want to keep forcing people into shit and then getting all pissy moany when people arent ok with being FORCED into interacting with someone or into being a CATALYST for LARGE EVENTS, then i will have NO PART OF IT ))
CBB: ((i enjoy the plots. i think this is a huge deal because of mutual blow ups. and i am not going to participate in anymore OOC chat about this tonight. <:( when you want to rp, i'll be here.))
CBD: (( also, heres my opinion, II is an uppity CUNT ))