Toledo: well pilot seems to disagree with you
Toledo: Toledo: Sand contacted me about this too
Pilot: ill push for an unban when the server goes up, but the staff team also should show that they stick to their decisions
Pilot: i remmeber how spire and lazarus got destroyed and it happened from people getting banned then unbanned a day later
Nord: It's bullshit though/
Toledo: Toledo: But it was only Dislord's decision..
Toledo: he's acting like head admin
Pilot: it really wasnt
Toledo: Other admins didn't have the chance to comment either.
Pilot: if you talk to crater about it he'll say that multiple people also agreed on keeping him banned
Toledo: Who gives a damn lol, it's not up to him to decide
Toledo: It should be a collaborative decision
Pilot: I think you're looking at this like Dissilusion went on the forums and was like "OK YOURE BANNED" then the entire thing was over
Toledo: Even Nord said more admins disagreed with this
Pilot: but there was a whole thing before that
Pilot: dingo + the entire ncr population
Pilot: Because those are where the memers are
Pilot: with the meme king lord
Pilot: smift wasnt there and extra was also part of memeing zuperned
Pilot: actually im going to talk to smift
Toledo: alright
Nord: The main problem is, how they misinterpret the word Doxing.
Nord: And how they used out of community stuff to get me banned.
Nord: If I show a group of people a picture of someone else in real life, does that get me exiled from the community?
Nord: No.
Toledo: Was it shared on Discord?
Nord: Not on the Atlas-5 Discord.
Nord: It was leaked by stahlsby on a private discord with 19 to 20 people.
Nord: And the link was removed shortly after.
Nord: Stahlsby messaged Dis, not the discord.
Nord: I sent the link on the discord.
Toledo: Pilot: The fact of the matter is, he shouldn't of been involved at all. If he actually wants to be the victim, he should of done nothing. For instance, I'm also part of the private discord and I was also watching Extra and all of them making memes, but I wasn't getting involved. I was just watching it all happen, simple, not malicious. Once you cross that line where you start getting into the fun, you can't get angry if you're caught and punished. Simple as that. Whether or not the ban was too harsh is another thing, but the admin team needs to show that they stick to their decisions and I think a lot of admins will tell you they should because we've had issues in the past where Aots and other people made memes like this, got banned, convinced their way out of it, and then did the same shit over and over again. If he wants to be unbanned, I'll push for it when the server goes up, but until then I think we should stick to our decision as an example to others who want to dox, or get punished. That's it.
Nord: So, he wants to make it clear that the staff bans people unfairly?
Nord: And thus result in turmoil?
Nord: Sounds A-okay to me.
Nord: Another thing is, literally nothing was done with the facebook page.
Nord: Only like one, mere meme.
Nord: Nothing that would ruin Zuperned's rep (implying he's even got a positive one)
Toledo: Pilot: It wasn't unfairly. He also admitted himself that he made a meme of it.
Nord: It was unfairly.
Nord: I admitted to having sent a facebook URL, not having doxed all of his private information.
Toledo: Pilot: Yeah because we stopped it before it was even brought to the next level
Nord: Who is we?
Nord: It was literally just me and like five other dudes.
Nord: In a small discord.
Nord: Sending none of the memes to Zuperned.
Nord: If Hawke or Stahlsby had never leaked it, none of this would've happened.
Nord: Also, I don't want to sit here and wait for the server.
Nord: I want to participate in the waiting, by being able to post on the forum and the discord.
Nord: I'll stop with the memes and what not and keep them to the little circlejerk discord.
Nord: If I stay banned, I'll probably just end up leaving and finding a better way to spend my time.
Toledo: Pilot: I just know that in the past that it started off like this, and then you get shit like Johnny Guitar's parents being called by players because they think it's funny. Not just that, he's an actual autistic person. I don't really have that much remorse for poking fun at someone who genuinely doesn't understand that he's being bullied. Maybe other admins can tolerate that shit and supercede my opinion and get him unbanned, but personally I also don't have any time to be dealing with that shit. And if Stahlson was also doing it, I would have also wanted him to get banned. Sadly I wish I was paying attention to thie situation more, I think Crater, Disillusion, BooM know more of the situation then me, but from what I know and saw and heard, my mind is made up.
Nord: It's just bullshit.
Nord: Banning someone for something that didn't happen on Atlas-5 grounds.
Nord: And the fact that you said that the "majority" of the player wants me banned.
Nord: Who were asked? The people who weren't even there?
Nord: The people who weren't participating in the memery?
Nord: Even those who memed have the right to voice their opinion.
Nord: And, it's just fucking memes.
Nord: We weren't telling him to commit sepuku or some shit like that.
Nord: Even if he's on the spectrum, that doesn't give him the right to treat some people like trash.
Nord: Enough of the 'memers' have mental disabilities, they're not special snowflakes either?
Nord: I don't care that I'm banned, I care that I am literally the only one who is banned.
Nord: Also, treating someone with autism differently is just doing more to alienate him from the rest of the people.
Nord: Were they to have him integrate properly, they wouldn't treat him like some special snowflake.
Nord: Instead of letting some of his mistakes slip.
Nord: He literally told Extra that he's going to send goons to his house.
Nord: Isn't that a threat?
Toledo: Pilot: I don't know anything about Zuperned treating people like trash, but he's also been warned and punished for things he's done on the forums aswell. No one's being treated like a special snowflake
Nord: shouldn't he be banned for that?
Nord: Also, can you for once voice your opinion? Pilot might as well add me if you're just being the middle man. No offence.
Nord: Because, you weren't there, which puts you in the perfect neutral position to voice your's.
Toledo: I have none idea what's going to tbh
Toledo: You shouldn't banned permantenly
Toledo: permanently*
Nord: I shouldn't be banned for more than a week in the first place.
Toledo: Besides that if other players were involved they should get banned aswell.
Nord: Yes, I deserve to have been banned for harassing Zuperned.
Toledo: goons to his house.
Toledo: Nord: Isn't that a threat?
Toledo: Nord: shouldn't he be banned for that?
Pilot: Yeah maybe he should lol
Pilot: Crater said the same thing too to Extra
Pilot: Extra asked "well what if i doxed him would i get banned from my own community?"
Pilot: and crater was like "yah maybe you would"
Pilot: but it was a bit of a laugh, but yeah, rules are rules
Pilot: also, integrating an autistic person is not taking pictures of him, pasting it on shit and editing it on photoshop
Pilot: and you know what
Pilot: since nord's ban
Pilot: im not seeing any of that shit anywhere now, so the punishment...worked
Nord: Not for such a long period.
Nord: And I don't want to be used a fucking example.
Nord: I'm fine with a week ban.
Nord: I just want to be able to post on the forum and discord during the wait.
Nord: Participate in the discussion.
Toledo: Toledo: I think we should unban him when the server opens or atleast ban the other players involved too.
Toledo: but if it would go to a second phase then we should perma ban them
Toledo: also he has a point it wasn't on Atlas 5 grounds
Toledo: but if they would call him and make him a meme etc
Toledo: even if it's not on Atlas 5 ground then he should be banned
Pilot: i also think he should be unbanned when the server goes
Nord: Like, I don't want to have to use a bloody middleman to get any news.
Toledo: People will agree for unbanning you when the server opens
Toledo: That's the least I can do
Toledo: besides that,
Nord: Seriously?
Toledo: the server is going to open sooner than you think.
Nord: How soon is sooner?
Nord: Less than two weeks?
Nord: I at the very least deserve a rough ETA.
Toledo: Yeah this month, we are just getting that map finished
Toledo: I mean extra game finished his gamemode
Toledo: it should be 90% ready
Toledo: or 95%
Nord: It's not like I'll be posting memes again, I've got another discord to do that in now.
Nord: They can even server mute me on Discord, not allow me to post anything.
Nord: As long as I can just READ.