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- Bipartisanship isn't an American value.
- Monfd
- American values are truth, justice for all, and lack of political parties.
- dk57
- CA-39 is within 130 votes of flipping
- Monfd
- (George Washington famously noted in his farewell address that political parties were immensely dangerous)
- dk57
- to dem
- dk57
- i'm sure they'll do a recount, but sucks we couldnt pick up this one.
- Monfd
- So, all you have to do is ensure you're being truthful with an eye on justice for all and you've met your duties. There's no additional 'bipartisan' duty.
- Monfd
- Bipartisanship is entirely an artifact of a two-party system, which is an artifact of our first-past-the-post voting system, which is strictly worse to several alternatives.
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- Monfd
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27s_Farewell_Address#Political_parties
- Monfd
- His concern is exactly what has happened in the last few decades.
- Monfd
- So, again, why is bipartisanship an anti-value? It perpetuates the myth that people can seek the interests of the republic while in political parties, which is largely false.
- fieryUSA
- jeff flake wanting to protect the mueller investigation is a show of bipartisanship. mcconnell cockblocking that bill, with his tiny little turtle dick, is NOT a show of bipartisanship.
- Monfd
- Jeff Flake's actions are not to be understood as bipartisan, but rather as serving the interests of the republic.
- Monfd
- It's in the interests of the republic to continue the investigation into Trump, as the publicly available evidence indicates it's extremely likely he's guilty of dozens of felonies.
- Monfd
- fieryUSA: Remember, the GOP and Democrat Parties are merely private organizations that exist inside the republic.
- Thor_dk
- Monfd: What do you think would change the political landscape, so that parties would disappear?
- Monfd
- The unbelievable propaganda job both parties have done in having us identify our republic with them is extremely dangerous for the long-term health of the republic.
- Monfd
- Thor_dk: Great question. There are a number of things we can do and we could rank them by feasibility and effect if enacted.
- Monfd
- The primary thrust to reduce factionalism/partisanship has to be the exaltation of science above the law, in general.
- Monfd
- To wit, it is know that first-past-the-post is *strictly inferior* to alternatives, i.e. it's not on the Pareto frontier of voting optimality and so must be replaced.
- Monfd
- 2. A national voting scheme for president.
- Monfd
- 3. A constitutional restriction on enacting any legislation with is anti-science.
- Monfd
- 4. A constitutional recognition that violation of science is to be understood as an attack on the republic/serious crime.
- Monfd
- For example, any politician that speaks in a way contradictory to human accumulated knowledge is to be removed from office.
- Monfd
- 5. Restrictions on mass media to block them from presenting non-factual accounts or restrictions on who can vote, i.e. a test to vote.
- Monfd
- For example, you can watch unrestricted media, but then you need to demonstrate you still live in the evidence-based reality.
- Monfd
- I'd like to see a general cultural shift, possibly enforced by law, that general lying while in any position of power is criminal.
- Monfd
- So, truth is definitely a current value in our legal system, but harm is more central. I think it may be necessary to push truth to the same level as harm, or even higher.
- Monfd
- Probably higher.
- Monfd
- Human brains immediately understand the harm that occurs when a person does a violent crime against an individual, but that same mind struggles to appreciate how much worse, for example, it is when Tucker Carlson lies on "Fox News".
- Monfd
- Our current legal system looks for direct harm for which Tucker Carlson is fairly immediately culpable for, but this vulnerable to stochastic terrorism, a phenomenon only named in 2012.
- Monfd
- Those are a few ideas. :)
- Monfd
- (Thomas Jefferson famously argued America should rewrite its Constitution every 14-19 years, in case any of these ideas seem 'extreme' by 18th century standards)
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