#yogi✬bears: ~ws new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
+UberSkitty: why cant i be a moderator
@Quite Quiet: so you can take it from here
#yogi✬bears: mhm
+UberSkitty: wahhhhhh
@Quite Quiet: okay have fun
+irebel: whats bb-8
+irebel: do
@PokemonMasterTJ: dammint uberskitty
#yogi✬bears: its a bot that can help with managing the ws
#yogi✬bears: /log MFJr The Kingg♣ was promoted to Room Voice by yogi✬bears.
+irebel: ok cool
#yogi✬bears: /log Staxi ' was promoted to Room Voice by yogi✬bears.
#yogi✬bears: /log opfopf was promoted to Room Voice by yogi✬bears.
+Hoenn Zach: SD Kabutops?
@Quite Quiet: also keeps a full chat log if people want to read through later
+opfopf: Nice chat :)
#yogi✬bears: oh does it
#yogi✬bears: nice
@Quite Quiet: for the process
+irebel: !dt beheeyem
#yogi✬bears: /log Awkole EC was promoted to Room Voice by yogi✬bears.
@Quite Quiet: whoever started the workshop gets a pm after it concludes
+UberSkitty: banded imo
@Quite Quiet: with a pastebin of the chat
+irebel: i've hear psychoumz np is a pretty powerful balance breaker
#yogi✬bears: thats sick, thanks qq
@Quite Quiet: :)
#yogi✬bears: so beheeyem?
@Quite Quiet: I'm going now, ping me if you need me more
#yogi✬bears: i mean, it sounds pretty dope
+irebel: we can have a couple submissions
#yogi✬bears: cya man!
+irebel: if you guys want
+Landon_A#21: yea i like, but anything less common/
+Landon_A#21: ?
+irebel: after we get 2-3 more make a poll
+SergioRules: I dig toucannon also
+UberSkitty: !dt charizard
+UberSkitty: :3
+Algeria4Ever ✔: !dt gabite
+opfopf: special toucannon with life orb sheer force modest boomburst flash cannon overheat and tailwind is so sick
+irebel: !dt shiftry
+Algeria4Ever ✔: Little chomp
+irebel: this pretty nice in the meta
+irebel: ive been meaning to try hurricane mixed
+Hoenn Zach: Charizard is really simple to build around :\
@PokemonMasterTJ: /log Conor3197❤☁️ was promoted to Room Voice by PokemonMasterTJ.
+irebel: yeah char builds are a bit basic
+Awkole EC: i'm a real fan of hariyama, it's pretty useful rn
+Conor3197❤☁️: :> thanks
#yogi✬bears: simple doesnt mean bad at this point in the meta
+opfopf: 252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Toucannon Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Carbink: 317-374 (104.2 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+irebel: yeah, ofc not
+irebel: its still very good
#yogi✬bears: everyone make sure they vote!
+irebel: special toucannon is just a bad
+irebel: chatot
+irebel: imo
+Algeria4Ever ✔: with  Skill Link is better no ?
+opfopf: no its pretty cool
+irebel: yeah physical is way better
+Hoenn Zach: Yeah it doesnt mean bad, Zard is a very strong mon rn, just would rather build around things you dont see as often like Shiftry
+opfopf: 75 spe. att. like swellow
+irebel: swellow is very  fast tho
+opfopf: tailwind
+Algeria4Ever ✔: yh
#yogi✬bears: looks like shiftry win!
#yogi✬bears: wins
+irebel: nice
+irebel: which set
#yogi✬bears: ~ws add shiftry
+opfopf: cool
@BB-8-NU: shiftry added
+irebel: might wanna make a poll for that too
+Algeria4Ever ✔: Shiftry with z-Move
#yogi✬bears: we'll sort sets out afterwards imo
+UberSkitty: u sure?
+irebel: SD Dark Plate or Life ORb
#yogi✬bears: /announce if you want to view the current team, type ~ws team
+irebel: i think sets should be first
+UberSkitty: we should probable decide if defog or not now
#yogi✬bears: personally i like mixed shiftry
+Hoenn Zach: ~~special with z Hurricane~~
#yogi✬bears: /log GreatRegular was promoted to Room Voice by yogi✬bears.
+Serving Suggestion: what about like NP shiftry with darkinium
+irebel: mixed shiftry with hurricane is something ive been meaning to try
+irebel: leaf storm, knock, sucker, hurricane
+Landon_A#21: sounds cool ^
+irebel: it lures commong fighting types
+irebel: and vileplum
#yogi✬bears: are we specially or physically biased
+Hoenn Zach: It sounds like a fun set
#yogi✬bears: also my only slight issue is that most fighting types straight beat you
+irebel: yeah through mach
#yogi✬bears: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry
@@PokemonMasterTJ: /log Aaronboyer was promoted to Room Voice by PokemonMasterTJ.
#yogi✬bears: and i generally wouldnt switch a fighting type into it
+GreatRegular: how is scyther best run? not sure whether to run sd or pivot defog
+Algeria4Ever ✔: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry
+Hoenn Zach: It takes on its defensive counters pretty nicely though
#yogi✬bears: scyther+shiftry sounds like a good shout actually
#yogi✬bears: i really like that
@@PokemonMasterTJ: i like scarf scyther + try
+Algeria4Ever ✔: Rapidash is good in this meta ?
+opfopf: true
+opfopf: no
+Serving Suggestion: scarf scyther is incredibly underwhelming imo
+Serving Suggestion: would rather go band ninjask
#yogi✬bears: its not meant to pick up kills its meant for momentum
+Aaronboyer: I just got here what kind of pu team are we building
+Hoenn Zach: Its momentum and it checks z happy hour malamar
+opfopf: around shiftry
+GreatRegular: scyther already base 105 without scarf, and could utilise defog better without
+Serving Suggestion: ninjask does the same
@@PokemonMasterTJ: hm
+Algeria4Ever ✔: Munja *-*
#yogi✬bears: we are not using defog scyther
+Serving Suggestion: plus infiltrator for dat aurora veil
@@PokemonMasterTJ: do we wanna go sd try
+opfopf: Groundium Z Ninjask new meta
#yogi✬bears: also my only issue with ninjask is a lack of pursuit
+Aaronboyer: if we're building a Sun team I think Special Growth Victreebel pairs nicely with Physical Shiftry
+Hoenn Zach: Yeah Scyther can pursuit trap low mons
#yogi✬bears: /log slowbroth was promoted to Room Moderator by yogi✬bears.
+irebel: can you trick stuff behind a sub
+Serving Suggestion: what does scyther pursuit trap?
+opfopf: no
+irebel: psychics
#yogi✬bears: however
#yogi✬bears: infiltrator hits through veil
+Serving Suggestion: what like raichu?
#yogi✬bears: which is really nice
+Hoenn Zach: Psychics and just low hp mons
#yogi✬bears: nah it traps things like haunter, dabra, mes, raichu etc
+Hoenn Zach: If we go Ninjask with infiltrator, we can run groundium z for dig and have Shiftry be pure LO
#yogi✬bears: sd ninjask does work
#yogi✬bears: thoughts everyone?
+Serving Suggestion: idk i think ninjask is a bit frail for SD
@@PokemonMasterTJ: nah its ok
@slowbroth: nah sd ninjask is just fine as it sets up on mons it forces out
+Algeria4Ever ✔: i play Beedrill with sd
+Landon_A#21: yea it;s fine
@@PokemonMasterTJ: beedrill isnt viable
+Landon_A#21: it's
#yogi✬bears: yeah i like sd ninjask here
+Landon_A#21: ^
#yogi✬bears: ~ws add SD Ninjask
@BB-8-NU: SD Ninjask added
+Hoenn Zach: SD on a switch to something like aggron, OHKO with z dig
+Algeria4Ever ✔: in sm ou PokemonMasterTJ ofc
#yogi✬bears: have we decided on a shiftry set yet
#yogi✬bears: ?
+Serving Suggestion: but you're not gonna be forcing out mons every turn
++UberSkitty: i thought we were doing that hurricane mixed set
@@PokemonMasterTJ: hm if we are using sd jask then we probably dont want sd try
+Hoenn Zach: Im hoping for the mixed Hurricane set
+GreatRegular: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask
@@PokemonMasterTJ: defog 3atks?
+Serving Suggestion: hurricane will 100% miss when you need it most
+Serving Suggestion: i think standard shifty
+Serving Suggestion: if we have jask
+Serving Suggestion: need defog
++UberSkitty: who builds around standard sets?
++UberSkitty: do we need another poll?
#yogi✬bears: i think defog works here]
+Hoenn Zach: We can run another spinner?
+Hoenn Zach: But yeah I think defog would be a better choice
#yogi✬bears: Right so we really need an ice and fire resist
#yogi✬bears: !dt munchlax
#yogi✬bears: bop
+Serving Suggestion: munchlax
+Serving Suggestion: lmao
#yogi✬bears: im joking though
+Serving Suggestion: NP ninetails
#yogi✬bears: it doesnt fit on offense
+Algeria4Ever ✔: Someone tested mightyena ?
+Hoenn Zach: Who needs offense when you take 10% from a crit flamethrower from alola eggy
#yogi✬bears: actually
++UberSkitty: hariyama?
#yogi✬bears: miltank is a good shout here
#yogi✬bears: for role compression
++UberSkitty: ooo
@@PokemonMasterTJ: euro offense
#yogi✬bears: true true
#yogi✬bears: we all okay with rocks miltank?
+Hoenn Zach: Yeah I like it
@@PokemonMasterTJ: sure
+Serving Suggestion: ya
+Serving Suggestion: what set
+Algeria4Ever ✔: yh
++UberSkitty: apparently
+Serving Suggestion: heal bell?
#yogi✬bears: 252 SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 180 SpD Thick Fat Miltank: 174-205 (44.1 - 52%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
#yogi✬bears: wow
#yogi✬bears: ...
+Hoenn Zach: Thats not even a spdef boosting nature :
+Awkole EC: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask
+Algeria4Ever ✔: it's Miltank !
+Serving Suggestion: 252 SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Thick Fat Munchlax: 87-103 (18.3 - 21.7%) -- possible 5HKO
#yogi✬bears: i mean we could run max spd
+Serving Suggestion: js
#yogi✬bears: yeah ik but ive already built too much with it
#yogi✬bears: it's up to everyone else however
#yogi✬bears: :)
+Serving Suggestion: !ds thick fat
++UberSkitty: regirock?
@@PokemonMasterTJ: !ds thickfat, nu
+Algeria4Ever ✔: Walrein
@@PokemonMasterTJ: hariyama
+Serving Suggestion: tbh miltank probs best option
+Hoenn Zach: Id say healbell, milk drink, rocks, and then whatever for the 4th slot
@@PokemonMasterTJ: bop
++UberSkitty: i already suggested that tj
+GreatRegular: yeah miltank looks solid
+Hoenn Zach: Body Slam/Seismic Toss
++UberSkitty: smh
@@PokemonMasterTJ: jk
++UberSkitty: :l
@@PokemonMasterTJ: does not fit on offense
+Awkole EC: im a huge fan of av hariyama, especially fake out & bp
+Serving Suggestion: we need a fighting switch-in
#yogi✬bears: yama might be our best bet for a good resist
+Algeria4Ever ✔: !dt togetic
+irebel: what the team
+Awkole EC: yeah either togetic or eviolite sd scyther
@@PokemonMasterTJ: !dt poliwrath
++UberSkitty: shiftry and scyther
@@PokemonMasterTJ: y/y
#yogi✬bears: we could go
#yogi✬bears: !dt yama
#yogi✬bears: oops
#yogi✬bears: !dt hariyama
#yogi✬bears: !dt mesprit
+Hoenn Zach: Silvally Fairy?
+Serving Suggestion: silvally fairy would be fun
++UberSkitty: we need a flying switch in
++UberSkitty: stick a rock type on there
++UberSkitty: or a steel
+Serving Suggestion: emo rockdog?
++UberSkitty: and they can also provide sr
+Algeria4Ever ✔: !dt metang
+Algeria4Ever ✔: with eviolite ?
+Hoenn Zach: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask
+Serving Suggestion: metang doesn't like knock
+Serving Suggestion: wait sorry flying rests
#yogi✬bears: silv fairy+regirock seems okay
+Serving Suggestion: then you're weak to steel
#yogi✬bears: well we still have 2 more slots
#yogi✬bears: left
#yogi✬bears: are we running sleep talk silv?
+Serving Suggestion: sub SS barbaracle?
+Algeria4Ever ✔: what is the team ?
#yogi✬bears: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask
+Algeria4Ever ✔: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask
++UberSkitty: did we officially add harryllama+mesprit?
+Serving Suggestion: need something for fire/ice/flying/rock
+Hoenn Zach: I always like to run SD and Parting Shot on Silvally
+Algeria4Ever ✔: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask
+Serving Suggestion: rest/sleep talk/parting shot/multi attack?
#yogi✬bears: yeh
+SergioRules: what's defensive 3 attacks?
+SergioRules: unfamiliar with that set
+Aaronboyer: i would assume unstab elemental beams
#yogi✬bears: it's a mixed set
+SergioRules: ah, that makes more sense
#yogi✬bears: ~ws add SD Silvally-Fairy
@BB-8-NU: SD Silvally-Fairy added
#yogi✬bears: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask / SD Silvally-Fairy
#yogi✬bears: actually
++UberSkitty: two sd mons
++UberSkitty: huh
#yogi✬bears: 2 sd mons seems redundant
+SergioRules: set up spam
#yogi✬bears: yeah
#yogi✬bears: i dont like that
+SergioRules: isn't that a thing with aurora veil?
#yogi✬bears: that's a dif archetype
+Serving Suggestion: go band jask
+Serving Suggestion: keep SD silv
+Serving Suggestion: imo
#yogi✬bears: ig
+SergioRules: band beats malamar
+Serving Suggestion: so does SD tbh
+SergioRules: true but sd can't OHKO and live a knock
@@PokemonMasterTJ: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Ninjask / SD Silvally-Fairy
#yogi✬bears: what does sd silv run? sd, part shot, multi and?
#yogi✬bears: ~ws remove SD Ninjask
@BB-8-NU: SD Ninjask removed
#yogi✬bears: ~ws add Band Ninjask
@BB-8-NU: Band Ninjask added
+Hoenn Zach: Rock slide is what I run on it to hit bugs and fire types
+Algeria4Ever ✔: earth power for steels ?
#yogi✬bears: /log Ouija Board was promoted to Room Voice by yogi✬bears.
+Hoenn Zach: Crunch is also good for a neutral hit on steels, and it hits some ghosts harder
#yogi✬bears: rock slide isnt a bad shout
++UberSkitty: harryllama still looks p sexy
#yogi✬bears: and crunch works too
#yogi✬bears: yama seems decent
++Serving Suggestion: can we run heavy slam yama
#yogi✬bears: why
++Serving Suggestion: togetic?
+Hoenn Zach: So Silvally Fairy, Regirock, and Hariyama are the 3 members we are looking at right now?
#yogi✬bears: nah it cripples toge with knock anyways
++MFJr The Kingg♣: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Silvally-Fairy / Band Ninjask
++Serving Suggestion: if we add yama
++Serving Suggestion: we should go with some special mons
+Hoenn Zach: We need something for Fairies too
++Serving Suggestion: in the remaining spaces
++Serving Suggestion: SR lunatone?
++UberSkitty: probopass?
+Hoenn Zach: Haunter?
++Serving Suggestion: corsola?
+Hoenn Zach: Munchlax?
#yogi✬bears: id prefer having mes
#yogi✬bears: imo
#yogi✬bears: i mean we could go munch over yama
#yogi✬bears: lol
+SergioRules: what shiftry set are we running again?
#yogi✬bears: mixed defog
++Serving Suggestion: mes is boring af
+Hoenn Zach: leaf storm, knock, sucker, defog?
#yogi✬bears: yah
+irebel: whats the team
+SergioRules: if this is an offense team I feel like munch is too much of a momentum killer
+irebel: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Silvally-Fairy / Band Ninjask
#yogi✬bears: we could go yama+pilo
+irebel: band ninjask?
+irebel: i'd rather run band scyther
+irebel: if i'm being honest
#yogi✬bears: band scyther loses to happy hour mal iirc
+irebel: ik the speed is a boon tho
+irebel: ah
+irebel: also you don't have to run defog shiftry
++UberSkitty: we still need a flying switchin
+irebel: you could run some other hazard remover
+irebel: like scarf kabutops
#yogi✬bears: nah defog is aight
#yogi✬bears: its good for offensive pressure
#yogi✬bears: i find kabu to be meh atm
#yogi✬bears: yama+lycan+filler?
+Hoenn Zach: Which Lycan?
#yogi✬bears: day
+SergioRules: sash rocks taunt lead imo
++UberSkitty: then we're stick with our flying weakness for the rest of the game
++UberSkitty: *stuck
+SergioRules: last mon can be flying check
+SergioRules: like uhh
+Hoenn Zach: ~~Alola Golem~~
+Hoenn Zach: We are weak to fairies, and Flying
++UberSkitty: so steel
+GreatRegular: probo?
#yogi✬bears: klinklang?
++UberSkitty: bronzor ;)
+SergioRules: yogi beat me to it
+Hoenn Zach: Well whenever I think steel my mind always goes to Aggron
++UberSkitty: same sergo
+GreatRegular: team's already very physically oriented
#yogi✬bears: oh shit we get 6-0d by that
+Hoenn Zach: I dont any team can have any switch ins for that :
++Serving Suggestion: quagsire switches in to aggro
++Serving Suggestion: so does ground horse
#yogi✬bears: we can swap lycan for metang
#yogi✬bears: imo
+Hoenn Zach: 252+ Atk Choice Band Aggron Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mudsdale: 253-298 (122.2 - 143.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+SergioRules: lmao what
++Serving Suggestion: i don't believe that
++UberSkitty: does yama switch in?
++Serving Suggestion: it's level 50 lmao
+Hoenn Zach: Ohhhh thats why
#yogi✬bears: 252+ Atk Choice Band Aggron Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mudsdale: 129-152 (31.9 - 37.6%) -- 91.1% chance to 3HKO
+Hoenn Zach: I went to go calc it, and I guess it was using vgc sets at level 50
++UberSkitty: .-.
+SergioRules: that's what I thought
+SergioRules: 252+ Atk Choice Band Aggron Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mudsdale: 129-152 (31.9 - 37.6%) -- 91.1% chance to 3HKO
+SergioRules: better
+Hoenn Zach: How many Mudsdales are full physdef though?
++Serving Suggestion: full phys def would work fine imo
++Serving Suggestion: nice scyther switch in et
++Algeria4Ever: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Silvally-Fairy / Band Ninjask
+Hoenn Zach: ~~doesnt even get rocks~~
++Algeria4Ever: Band ninjask Oo
#yogi✬bears: if we do that
#yogi✬bears: then i think our sr user
#yogi✬bears: should be ferro
+Hoenn Zach: Physdef or spdef?
#yogi✬bears: more spd
#yogi✬bears: imo
+Hoenn Zach: Also it leaves a big fire weakness on our team
#yogi✬bears: for water
#yogi✬bears: nah we have yama
++Algeria4Ever: The rock with magnet pull i don't remember his name ?
++Serving Suggestion: yama will get worn down though
++UberSkitty: probopass
#yogi✬bears: we have 2 powerful breakers
+Hoenn Zach: ~~Alolan Golem~~
+Hoenn Zach: so Physdef Mudsdale, spdef ferro
++Algeria4Ever: Yh probopass thanks UberSkitty
++UberSkitty: np
#yogi✬bears: http://pokepast.es/64378a68f33e778b
#yogi✬bears: this is what ive got
#yogi✬bears: currently
+Hoenn Zach: What do the speed evs do?
++UberSkitty: no z move
+Hoenn Zach: Im guessing Hariyama outspeed base 55 mons
+SergioRules: rock slide over STAB on mudsdale?
+Hoenn Zach: Nah
+Hoenn Zach: Mudsdale is our only Aggron answer
+SergioRules: the paste says mudslide, that's why I was confused
@@PokemonMasterTJ: why cb jask
@@PokemonMasterTJ: lets do sd zmove
+SergioRules: for malamar ig
++UberSkitty: grassium z/darkium z on shiftry?
+SergioRules: I think we thought two sd mons was bad
++UberSkitty: ^
+SergioRules: but I'm down for sd z-move
++Algeria4Ever: Not eq on Mudsdale ? Why ?
++Serving Suggestion: yeah surely mudsdale should have EQ
+SergioRules: okay but we have no special mons at all
++Serving Suggestion: toxic will deal with scyther/etc
##yogi✬bears: i was brain farting
+SergioRules: except for shiftry's leaf storm
##yogi✬bears: lol
##yogi✬bears: ~ws add Ferroseed
@BB-8-NU: Ferroseed added
++UberSkitty: z dig sd on ninjask, special silvally
++UberSkitty: ez
##yogi✬bears: ~ws add Hariyama
@BB-8-NU: Hariyama added
##yogi✬bears: ~ws add Mudsdale
@BB-8-NU: Mudsdale added
##yogi✬bears: ig special could work
##yogi✬bears: or rest talk silv
++Algeria4Ever: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: shiftry / SD Silvally-Fairy / Band Ninjask / Ferroseed / Hariyama / Mudsdale
++Serving Suggestion: also not sure about ferro
++Serving Suggestion: are there any decent special SRers
++Serving Suggestion: kecleon?
##yogi✬bears: ferro gives the team a water resist
++Serving Suggestion: er
++Serving Suggestion: prinplup?
##yogi✬bears: ferro is also immune to toxic and stuff
+SergioRules: mes, cradily, probo
++Algeria4Ever: I think it's mudsdale the problem in the team
++Serving Suggestion: cradily would be fun
+SergioRules: balloon probo could be a good aggron answer
+SergioRules: !dt probopass
+SergioRules: have to run a lot of speed to outpace max tho
+SergioRules: wait nvm
##yogi✬bears: http://pokepast.es/d74194666e2a4833
##yogi✬bears: thought?
+SergioRules: it can't outspeed max speed
++Algeria4Ever: 20 spe on yama for ?
++UberSkitty: defensive mawile?
##yogi✬bears: i always creep
++UberSkitty: around that tier iirc
++Serving Suggestion: wait
++Serving Suggestion: maybe we don't need silvally fair
++Serving Suggestion: fairy
++Serving Suggestion: because of horse
##yogi✬bears: nah i think we do
++UberSkitty: ^
++Algeria4Ever: Dragon resist
++UberSkitty: a special mon
##yogi✬bears: yeah
++Serving Suggestion: oh yeah we need a special mon
##yogi✬bears: personally i think that's the team golden
++Serving Suggestion: but could do with a better special mon
++Serving Suggestion: imo
##yogi✬bears: it's as good as it will get
++UberSkitty: yay
++Serving Suggestion: even special silvally steel or something
##yogi✬bears: then we lose our fighting resist
##yogi✬bears: tbh i think this is a decent team n_n
++Serving Suggestion: p. sure mudsdale beats fighting
##yogi✬bears: and i also need to go
++Serving Suggestion: does that silvally even beat say SD gallade 1v1
##yogi✬bears: probs not
##yogi✬bears: but we have ninjask
##yogi✬bears: /announce ty all for coming!