thedarkfreak: I hope we get full dive tech in our lifetime
thedarkfreak: just to try it once
thedarkfreak: I'd try it with amanda
Cygnus: doubt it, if we do ill probably be like 80 or 90 by then jaja
thedarkfreak: still worth it
Cygnus: at that age I wouldnt even care about it
thedarkfreak: I might decide to have myself cryogenically frozen when I die
thedarkfreak: I'd try it just to feel young again
Cygnus: what does that do?
thedarkfreak: preserves your body in a way that it could be brought back to life in the future
thedarkfreak: once the tech advances enough
thedarkfreak: if it works, fucking sweet
Cygnus: ohh shit no way, I wouldnt want that
thedarkfreak: if it doesn't, you don't care, cause you're already dead
Cygnus: You cant be brought back to life once youre dead though
thedarkfreak: you'd be surprised what people have survived.
Cygnus: Well there have been some occasions were people are declared officially dead and then like one hour later come back to life
thedarkfreak: hypothermia is used sometimes nowadays to preserve life
thedarkfreak: because of that old saying
thedarkfreak: "you're not dead until you're warm and dead"
Cygnus: but that means they werent really "dead"
thedarkfreak: people have frozen to the point they had no vital signs, heartbeat, brain activity, nothing anymore
thedarkfreak: once they thawed, they began working again, and even regained conciousness
Cygnus: Yea but they were alive before they froze
thedarkfreak: it's actually why they won't make a call on being dead until the body is warm anymore
Cygnus: you would be dead when they freeze you
thedarkfreak: who knows what the future holds?
thedarkfreak: again
thedarkfreak: if it's impossible
thedarkfreak: I'll just never live again, so I truly died when I died
thedarkfreak: I'm already dead so what the fuck do I care?
Cygnus: No one knows what the future holds, however there is for certain a very clear seperation of what makes a human and what makes a higher power. Humans have no ability to bring dead back to life in their original state and never will
Cygnus: It has to do with balance, if humans could do that then the ironic thing is that everyone would die because of it
Cygnus: So even, hypothetically speaking, if it did happen. It would be pointless
thedarkfreak: everyone would die because of it?
thedarkfreak: how does that follow?
Cygnus: because there would be no balance maintained, if everyone lived forever and if they died they could be revived then imagine what would happen to this world, just imagine what people would try to do
thedarkfreak: it's not just that technology that's going to advance though
thedarkfreak: all technlogy will
thedarkfreak: someday, we will be exploring space
thedarkfreak: someday, we will have full-dive technology and may even have true conciousness in a digital world
Cygnus: Yea that's why people need to learn about the stories in the bible or mythology or hell any religion cause it pretty much explains that what you are saying is actually going to be the downfall of mankind, that's what is going to kill everyone not save people
Cygnus: Remember that fire can be used to create but eventually that same fire will be used to destroy
thedarkfreak: exploring space and full-dive tech is going to bring about the apocalypse?
thedarkfreak: fire can be used to destory, but without fire, we wouldn't be alive at all
Cygnus: Technology in general is going to bring it upon us
Cygnus: exactly
thedarkfreak: so our very existence is a contradiction
Cygnus: thats the balance im talking about
Cygnus: Its not a contradiction its a balance
Cygnus: Do you know about the chinese yin and yang symbol?
thedarkfreak: I do
thedarkfreak: but I also belive humanity should truly find and discover their own limits
thedarkfreak: besides, none of that tech exists yet anyway
thedarkfreak: those debates will be done when that tech does come to fruition
Cygnus: Thats a perfect example of balance right there. People can discover their own limits and you dont even need a spaceship to do it. People seem to think that terchnology is what advances us as humans when that's not really true. Even if that is the case though and people want to keep evolving technology then every step of the way humans get closer and closer to absolute destruction because its all part of balance. People are playing with fire here
thedarkfreak: people make technology.
thedarkfreak: if humans make something, then that something is within the limits of a human.
thedarkfreak: after all, if it was past the limits of the human race, it would be impossible
thedarkfreak: and, I'm sorry, and /please/ don't take this as an insult
Cygnus: Humans stole fire, fire was meant for a higher power and in return humans were punished for it so yea, it can be within human limitatyions however we would still be punished for it
thedarkfreak: but I'm far too rational to not want to better my race, my species, because of words written down thousands of years ago
thedarkfreak: written down by other humans
thedarkfreak: I'll start believing in that when they start making sense
thedarkfreak: but this is the same mythologies that were getting people killed for going around saying Earth wasn't the only thing that existed, that it wasn't the center of existence
thedarkfreak: it's the center of /our/ existence, it's not the center of existence in general
Cygnus: Well that's fine, most people think they way you do. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Regardless of how far technology advances just always remember that at the core of everything the balance has to be kept and the stories and myths written thousands of years ago is still very much relevant today and will always be relevant because behind these stories and myths are the unwritten laws and facts of life for mankind
Cygnus: Im not even going to make this a religious argument, these are just things that make sense and its just a fact of life. Right now there is no balance in the world and people pay the price for it everyday
Cygnus: Hell i'm not even saying that technology is bad cause that would make me a hypocrite since I use it everyday just like most people on this planet earth
Cygnus: But theres shit thats going to come from it at some point
Cygnus: and there is such a thing as taking it too far
Cygnus: and getting involved in the realm of immortality is not meant for a human
Cygnus is now Away.
thedarkfreak: See, I suppose I disagree with that assertion for one reason:
Cygnus is now Online.
thedarkfreak: The universe doesn't care about us.  It doesn't care about anyone or anything.
thedarkfreak: Even in the face of existence itself, we are nothing but dust
Cygnus: its not supposed to
thedarkfreak: Less than dust
Cygnus: all the universe is concerned with is balance
thedarkfreak: That's what I'm saying
thedarkfreak: The universe isn't concerned with anything
thedarkfreak: It's layers of the calabi yau manifold that happened to intersect
thedarkfreak: The universe just is
Cygnus: The universe will always keep balance thats all I know, its just a fact. It may seem random but everything is there for a reason
thedarkfreak: We, as humans, don't know what exactly the universe is
thedarkfreak: But someday we will
thedarkfreak: I'd find that easier to believe if we actually meant anything to the universe
thedarkfreak: But we're just insignificant little molecules
thedarkfreak: The universe couldn't care less about us
thedarkfreak: That's why WE have to care
Cygnus: not really, look at what humans are capable of. And the universe doesnt have to care about anything but maintaining balance because that is the universes job.
Cygnus: What do we have to care about?
thedarkfreak: About ourselves
thedarkfreak: Even with what we're capable of we still mean nothing overall
Cygnus: So you need a spaceship to go out and explore the universe to care about yourself? You need to make yourself immortal? These are things that dont really matter at all to humans. Humans are just curious and get bored easily so they play with fire, eventually the one who plays with fire is going to get burned that's just a fact
Cygnus: Once you reach a certain age you are going to want to die, that's just natural.
thedarkfreak: But that's how we learn
thedarkfreak: We'll make mistakes, if course
thedarkfreak: Of course *
thedarkfreak: If you want to die, that's your choice
thedarkfreak: It's your life, so off yourself
thedarkfreak: Or just wait for your body to die, if immortality requires constant care
Cygnus: Everyine makes mistakes all the time but what you are saying is totally different. You are talking about humans wielding higher powers and destroying the balance. If that happens everyone dies, thats why I said that it was ironic you would even mention that as a possibility in the first place because those are the things that will kill us
Cygnus: No, thats not natural
thedarkfreak: If that happens then our existence was just a plaything anyway
thedarkfreak: Control of our fate is the only thing we have
thedarkfreak: If we don't have even that
thedarkfreak: Then what the duck
thedarkfreak: Fuck
thedarkfreak: Stupid phone
Cygnus: We are no ones "plaything", why are people so concerned with some otherwordly discovery and trying to gain control over things they have no control of? I personally dont get it. No one controls their fate, you live life and depending on what you do throughout life that's what will affect the direction you take and then you die
Cygnus: this is just natural
Cygnus: why fight what's natural?
thedarkfreak: If we're locked out of choices because of bullshit cosmic forces, then our fate is not in our hands
Cygnus: Yea that's what i said, we dont control our fate
Cygnus: since when has anything cosmi interfered with humans?
thedarkfreak: Well, we'll realize our limits when we reach them
Cygnus: When the hell was the last time you saw a meteor striking down and causing an apocalypse here on earth?
thedarkfreak: But we've yet to do that
Cygnus: humans were placed on this planet for a reason
Cygnus: there is a reason for everythiong
thedarkfreak: I was calling your idea of universal balance a bullshit cosmic force.
thedarkfreak: Because, if we get that tech
thedarkfreak: How exactly is the universe unbalanced?
Cygnus: bullshit because it can end your life or perhaps all life here one arth at any moment? that's not bullshit, its just natural
thedarkfreak: We're still insignificant dust
Cygnus: You are asking me how the universe will be unbalanced and I think you already know the answer, if a human is immortal and cant die then that's no longer a human
Cygnus: That means the balance would have been broken
thedarkfreak: That's why I find the idea of some universal balance silly when it concerns humans
thedarkfreak: Because, in the face of the universe, no matter what we do, we're nothing
thedarkfreak: So is the other intelligent, sentient life that might be out there
Cygnus: It concerns everything in the universe because we live inside of it. And why does it matter if we are nothing in the face of the universe, focus on being something to the people and realities around yourself then if that's the case. I think thats more of a mental state and not necessarily a fact that would interfere with anything relating to balance
Cygnus: There probably is more life out there other than us. And they go through the same shit most likely
thedarkfreak: dude, that's what I'm saying
thedarkfreak: we are nothing in the universe, so why would the universe even bother with us?
thedarkfreak: and hte funny thing is
thedarkfreak: even with our different philosphies
thedarkfreak: I agree with much of what you just said there
thedarkfreak: that's what I mean by "WE have to care"
thedarkfreak: care about teh world around you
thedarkfreak: care about the existences, the worlds, the life around you
thedarkfreak: the universe doesn't care, it could wipe us from existence at any moment without reason, because it has no reasons
thedarkfreak: we have to be that reason to each other
Cygnus: That's like saying that fish are worth nothing to water, so why would the water even bother sustaining aquatic life? The universe is there to sustain life and balance that's it, its that simple. We dont need a rocket scientist to figure that out
thedarkfreak: water exists bceause of a chemical reaction, it has no purpose in existence
thedarkfreak: we derive OUR existence from it
thedarkfreak: but it has no purpose
thedarkfreak: it's just a combination of elements and atoms, like we are
Cygnus: everything has a purpose and reason, water is there to sustain life
Cygnus: that is apurpose
Cygnus: There is absolutely nothing, not one thing, not even a molecule that does not have a purpose
thedarkfreak: we might be defining "purpose" differently
thedarkfreak: I see purpose as "something created this to do this specific thing"
thedarkfreak: but it's a lucky mix of math that wound up with Earth in the conditions it has to sustain our life
thedarkfreak: and hoesntnly\
thedarkfreak: considering how vast the universe is
Cygnus: Purpose is just something with meaning, that's all it is.
thedarkfreak: not even that lucky
thedarkfreak: even a stopped clock is rigyht twice a day
thedarkfreak: the probabilities would've lined up somewhere
Cygnus: Nothing is there because of luck, and math or science doesnt even have a place in this argument. The universe is there because it has a purpose just like water is there because it has a purpose
thedarkfreak: well, I don't think we're ever going to fully agree, but at least we agree on some things
thedarkfreak: and who knows
Cygnus: Well im not even trying to agree or disagree im just simply stating a fact
thedarkfreak: maybe someday, the intersection membraes of the calabi yau manifold that makes up our universe will separate, and our universe itself will cease to exist
Cygnus: it could happen
thedarkfreak: you're stating something you believe it, but I personally do not see that as a fact
thedarkfreak: I haven't seen it proven as a fact, so I will not accept it as one.
thedarkfreak: it may influence my thinking in the future, but I will not stake everything on it.
Cygnus: That's like saying gravity isnt real when clearly its right in front of you and you can see its effects
thedarkfreak: fine
thedarkfreak: what examples can you give of this universal balance that are "right in front of us", whose "effects we can see"?
thedarkfreak: actually, you know what
thedarkfreak: I'm late for going over to Amanda's
Cygnus: I just told you quite a few
thedarkfreak: I'll take a second read through and see if I'm convinced
thedarkfreak: and I mean that honestly, too, I'm saving a copy of it so steam doesn't erase it
Cygnus: Even if you aren't I would suggest reading up on philosophy, mythology and/or religion as it will all explain what I just said to you. I just simplified it
Cygnus: And they all talk about the same things so feel free to choose which one you want to read up on because they all say what I just said
thedarkfreak: that's what I meant by...actually no I said I'm done for now
thedarkfreak: we can do this dance forever XD