23:06	chimere[TR]	even if it was not void, citizens of eTurkey refuses such a peace agreement
23:06	Krems[HQ]	I see
23:06	chimere[TR]	if it was not void, and assuming that we rejected the peace agreement
23:06	chimere[TR]	there will be some consequences
23:07	Krems[HQ]	Mostly for PANAM, yes
23:07	chimere[TR]	also for PanAm as the guaranteer
23:07	Krems[HQ]	there will still be serious consequences, actually
23:07	Krems[HQ]	the contract itself was poorly written by the greeks
23:07	Krems[HQ]	they left a number of loop holes
23:07	Krems[HQ]	which I didn't bother pointing out to them
23:08	chimere[TR]	the reason of my explanation about the validity of the peace agreement is to say that, there will be no consequences for PanAm
23:08	Krems[HQ]	there will not be, I agree
23:09	Krems[HQ]	there amy be some media fall out but one article explaining the legality and the obvious loop holes in the contract would be enough
23:09	chimere[TR]	now I would like to hear the opinions of the representatives about this issue
23:09	Krems[HQ]	the issue is more political
23:09	aeriala[Can]	i just got out of an eden summit 5 mins ago
23:09	Krems[HQ]	I assume that you committed to fighting Greece, chimere[TR]?
23:09	Alfred-Ball[JAP]	Honestly the peace was pretty humiliating, I can't blame Turks for being outraged at it.
23:10	chimere[TR]	we can try to have another deal with eGreece, but I don't think that they will accept this
23:10	Krems[HQ]	I think you are correct
23:10	ercuu[TR]	Yes krems we are committed
23:10	Alfred-Ball[JAP]	Especially the implications of RL Cyprus issues
23:10	aeriala[Can]	majority is to still try and work with panam as long as we are trying to take down NWO
23:10	chimere[TR]	at least, the new peace agreement should be no humiliating
23:10	fabio[BR]	ercuu[TR] give cyprus for him and start a campain in india
23:10	fabio[BR]	is most more secure
23:11	fabio[BR]	and much more easy
23:11	Krems[HQ]	PANAM has offered to swap tr down to asia a number of times
23:11	ercuu[TR]	our first an foremos issue is to regain oour natural regions
23:11	Krems[HQ]	here's where we get to the meat of the problem
23:11	Laxsnor[USA]	greece isn't going to let you
23:11	Krems[HQ]	to secure your natural regions, we'd need to go on a full scale war with EDEN
23:11	Laxsnor[USA]	^
23:12	Krems[HQ]	either EDEN fully supports Greece, in which case NWO wins
23:12	chimere[TR]	the only accaptable thing about eCyprus issue will be the freedom of eCyprus
23:12	Krems[HQ]	or EDEN ignores Greece
23:12	Krems[HQ]	and Greece joins NWO
23:12	Krems[HQ]	and NWO wins
23:12	Xeraph[vSC]	Greece join now?
23:12	Xeraph[vSC]	nwo*
23:12	Xeraph[vSC]	its a bit impossible.
23:12	Krems[HQ]	no
23:12	Xeraph[vSC]	while nwo has macedonia.
23:12	chimere[TR]	then we can get high grain regions from india with eGreece
23:12	Krems[HQ]	it's been offered to them before~
23:13	Xeraph[vSC]	realy ? 3^
23:13	aeriala[Can]	i think something can be worked out, as long as w all concentrate on serbia
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23:13	Krems[HQ]	That's ofc the issue, isn't it
23:13	aeriala[Can]	mutual goals
23:13	chimere[TR]	Krems[HQ], as soon as we have our original regions back, we will fully support our allies
23:13	Xeraph[vSC]	yea mutual goals.
23:14	Krems[HQ]	I know that, chimere[TR]
23:14	Krems[HQ]	no one questions TR's loyalty
23:14	aeriala[Can]	some things will need to be worked out, communication i know is one issue
23:14	Xeraph[vSC]	the problem is greece willing to give away regions to türkiye
23:14	Xeraph[vSC]	without figting ?
23:14	Krems[HQ]	unlikely
23:15	Laxsnor[USA]	^
23:15	Krems[HQ]	I don't see a diplomatic solution open to us anymore
23:15	chimere[TR]	me neither Krems[HQ]
23:15	aeriala[Can]	but if we can concentrate on 1 goal serbia, communicate well, i think things can be done
23:15	Xeraph[vSC]	aeriala[Can]: possibly.
23:15	Krems[HQ]	not while TR is conquered, aeriala[Can]
23:15	Krems[HQ]	since they can't even fight then~
23:16	aeriala[Can]	i'm not saying it will be easy, i'm saying it's possible
23:16	aeriala[Can]	but talking will be a factor
23:16	chimere[TR]	I believe that, if we have some of our regions back, at least when we are in a better situation, we can have a better peace agreement
23:16	aeriala[Can]	poor communication as been a huge tripping stone as i've seen it
23:17	chimere[TR]	we can talk to eGreece and try to have another peace agreement
23:17	chimere[TR]	but with this situation
23:17	Laxsnor[USA]	well
23:18	chimere[TR]	I don't believe that eGreece will accept a better peace agreement
23:18	Laxsnor[USA]	if we fight directly against greece
23:18	Laxsnor[USA]	I'd be afraid of EDEN starting a full on war
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23:18	Krems[HQ]	we need to communicate with EDEN on this
23:18	chimere[TR]	and also there is a problem that eGreece believes that we betrayed the peace negotiations
23:18	Krems[HQ]	well greece betrayed the last peace deal
23:18	Krems[HQ]	so we are even now~
23:18	Xeraph[vSC]

23:18	ercuu[TR]	laxnor[USA] I don't think that eden will be willing to fight on both sides for just one country
23:19	aeriala[Can]	if it helps i'm willing to become the negotiator
23:19	Laxsnor[USA]	it helps that greece makes a lot of noise
23:19	aeriala[Can]	and be the go between
23:19	Xeraph[vSC]	ercuu[TR]: if panam fights aganist greece, who will fight aganist span ?
23:19	Xeraph[vSC]	spain*
23:19	Xeraph[vSC]	cant you see ? brazil in a thin ice.
23:19	ercuu[TR]	I am saying that if there is a threeat of NWO in one front and Spain in other front
23:19	ercuu[TR]	a country asking for independence will be a minor issue for them
23:20	ercuu[TR]	that will create pressure on greece
23:20	Xeraph[vSC]	yes we did it.
23:20	chimere[TR]	is brasil on a thin ice Xeraph[vSC]? I am sorry but, what I can see is that they are invading eSpain
23:20	Xeraph[vSC]	chimere[TR]: yes full support of panam
23:20	Krems[HQ]	NWO is mostly concered with the spainish war and Serbian swaps atm
23:21	Krems[HQ]	NWO would not care about a greece tr war
23:21	Xeraph[vSC]	possibly.
23:21	Krems[HQ]	we need to examine the options here
23:21	chimere[TR]	The thing is that a PanAm country is completely occupied
23:21	Alfred-Ball[JAP]	Where is Serbia going exactly? And is UK sponsoring these future swaps? Sorry for getting off topic
23:21	chimere[TR]	and we are searching a way put
23:21	chimere[TR]	out*
23:22	Xeraph[vSC]	chimere[TR]: panam need to think all her countries.
23:22	Xeraph[vSC]	about*
23:22	ercuu[TR]	but not about the one that has been completely wiped
23:22	ercuu[TR]	xeraph ?
23:23	Xeraph[vSC]	yes must think about it that too.
23:23	Xeraph[vSC]	we are tryn to find solutions.
23:23	Xeraph[vSC]	so what can you offer ?
23:23	chimere[TR]	Xeraph[vSC]: that's for sure. But, while a country is trying to invade another country and trying to give an ally (which is not a member of PanAm), another member country is trying to get her freedom.
23:24	Xeraph[vSC]	chimere[TR]: the thing is we are tryn to save brazil for now
23:24	Xeraph[vSC]	thats why we are invading spain
23:24	Krems[HQ]	chimere[TR]: You know what one of the conditions of TR membership to PANAM was?
23:24	Krems[HQ]	Peace with Greece
23:24	Krems[HQ]	that peace deal was broken by Greece
23:24	Krems[HQ]	no one blames you for that
23:25	Krems[HQ]	but now we are in an akward situation
23:25	chimere[TR]	I see
23:26	chimere[TR]	Do you have any suggestions about a possible solution Krems[HQ]
23:26	Krems[HQ]	it depends what your government's goals are, chimere[TR]
23:26	Krems[HQ]	can you tell us how you would like to see this situation resolved?
23:27	chimere[TR]	Our only goal for now is to regain our original regions
23:27	chimere[TR]	and there are two options for this
23:27	chimere[TR]	political - or militaristic
23:28	chimere[TR]	if we choose the militaristic way, we will need a huge support
23:28	Krems[HQ]	yes, yes you will
23:28	chimere[TR]	which brings us to the second topic
23:28	chimere[TR]	if we choose the diplomatic way
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23:28	chimere[TR]	again we will need a huge support
23:28	chimere[TR]	in terms of negotiations
23:29	chimere[TR]	and a non-humiliating peace agreement
23:29	Xeraph[vSC]	what can you offer greece ?
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23:29	chimere[TR]	which one will you prefer? which option you can help us?
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23:30	chimere[TR]	actually we can offer eGreece nothing
23:30	chimere[TR]	because they already invaded us while we were boycotting
23:30	Krems[HQ]	We'd prefer a diplomatic solution considering that cooperation with EDEN is the only way to fight NWOP
23:31	chimere[TR]	which means that they didn't spend lots of golds
23:31	Krems[HQ]	listen, the only reason you won that RW was due to greeks not fighting
23:31	chimere[TR]	and the other thing we can offer eGreece is the pressure of alliances
23:31	chimere[TR]	I know that Krems[HQ]
23:32	Krems[HQ]	they are going to have the intiative, which means that even should you sign MPPs with all of us
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23:32	Krems[HQ]	they will not be there for the battle
23:32	aeriala[Can]	there is a way out, to cooperate against serbia
23:32	Krems[HQ]	so in reality, you are going to get wiped again tomorrow
23:32	aeriala[Can]	everyone can agree on 1 thing
23:32	Krems[HQ]	agreed?
23:32	ercuu[TR]	krems we are very well aware of that situation
23:32	chimere[TR]	that is also for sure Krems[HQ], thanks to admins
23:32	Krems[HQ]	admins 6_9
23:32	chimere[TR]	for fixing the bug 1 week later
23:33	chimere[TR]	lets say
23:33	chimere[TR]	we were going to get wiped anyway, but thing could be much easier if they fixed the bug when it first appeared
23:34	Krems[HQ]	indeed
23:34	Krems[HQ]	it would have saved me a lot of grief as well
23:34	chimere[TR]	please keep on with your point
23:34	Krems[HQ]	well may I suggest that we first approach EDEN for a diplomatic solution
23:34	Krems[HQ]	I suspect that will fail
23:34	Krems[HQ]	but there is no harm in trying
23:34	Krems[HQ]	once we know for sure, we can move on to the other options
23:34	aeriala[Can]	but maybe there is a way out
23:35	chimere[TR]	of course, we should try
23:35	Krems[HQ]	aeriala[Can] has kindly agreed to be the go-between to EDEN
23:35	Krems[HQ]	so he will be your main point of contact
23:35	aeriala[Can]	small steps, one is to agree to a mutual moe to hit serbia
23:35	aeriala[Can]	move
23:35	chimere[TR]	thank you aeriala[Can] for your offer
23:36	aeriala[Can]	once a common goal ca be wstablished, some differences can be set aside
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23:37	chimere[TR]	But what will happen if the diplomatic solution fails?
23:37	aeriala[Can]	nothing will happen overnight, but starting on a small step, common hatred can be a starting point
23:38	ercuu[TR]	first of all could all panam leaders notify their armies for at least not fighting in our fronts?
23:38	Krems[HQ]	yes
23:38	Krems[HQ]	I will inform our SC to pass the word
23:39	chimere[TR]	even if we are going to be wiped out, the allies shouldn't fight against us
23:39	chimere[TR]	The reason why I am asking what is going to happen if the diplomatic solutions fail is to give an explanation to the citizens of eTurkey
23:40	Krems[HQ]	yes, I understand
23:40	chimere[TR]	They demand a guarantee for militaristic support if diplomatic way fails
23:40	Krems[HQ]	the country leaders will need to discuss it
23:40	Xeraph[vSC]	we can arrange that.
23:40	Krems[HQ]	I can not make a decision like this summirarily
23:40	Krems[HQ]	sp
23:41	Krems[HQ]	CPs must make this decision themselves as a group
23:41	Krems[HQ]	it's the only democratic way
23:41	chimere[TR]	I understand
23:41	chimere[TR]	But can you make it happen urgently?
23:41	Krems[HQ]	yes, we must begin the process now
23:41	chimere[TR]	I know they have other issues to deal with
23:41	Krems[HQ]	aeriala[Can]: can you get in touch with greece now?
23:42	aeriala[Can]	trying
23:42	chimere[TR]	But without having a decision from you, we can't move on
23:42	Krems[HQ]	These are the two options, should the diplomatic approach fail
23:42	Krems[HQ]	I tell this to you in the spirit of honesty
23:42	Krems[HQ]	1. PANAM mobilises fully to defend TR
23:42	Krems[HQ]	2. PANAM expells TR as they were given membership on the condition of peace with greece
23:43	Krems[HQ]	honestly, I hate either option
23:43	Krems[HQ]	and I'm glad HQ doesn't get a vote
23:43	Krems[HQ]	but the CPs will need to decide together what to do
23:43	chimere[TR]	what will be the proof for the second option?
23:44	chimere[TR]	the last peace agreement was void
23:44	Krems[HQ]	these are just to fall back options
23:44	Krems[HQ]	I hope it will not come to either
23:44	Krems[HQ]	this is a shitty situation
23:44	ercuu[TR]	what is the time frame that you foresee for this siplomatic phase?
23:45	Krems[HQ]	one, two days max
23:45	Krems[HQ]	hoepfully by tonight tbh
23:45	ercuu[TR]	in this time period will there be a truce ?
23:45	Krems[HQ]	we will likely know if there will be or not
23:45	Krems[HQ]	a truce takes like 2 hours to negotiate
23:45	Krems[HQ]	the issue is just getting everyone together
23:47	chimere[TR]	so
23:47	chimere[TR]	now we will try the diplomatic way
23:47	Krems[HQ]	yes
23:47	Krems[HQ]	I'm sorry I can't give you a more straight answer
23:47	ercuu[TR]	time is of the essence here
23:47	Krems[HQ]	but my position is not to make decisions of this magnitude
23:47	ercuu[TR]	our country is in turmoil
23:47	chimere[TR]	and the CP's of each member country will decide what will be their attitude if the diplomatic way fails
23:47	Krems[HQ]	I state the p[ros and cons and let the CPs make the decisions
23:47	ercuu[TR]	we need to settle things down
23:47	Krems[HQ]	yes, we need stability
23:48	Krems[HQ]	and I would really like to see TR on the map again
23:48	Krems[HQ]	we have seen what they are capable of
23:48	Xeraph[vSC]	and you can be sure about that
23:48	Xeraph[vSC]	we want solution.
23:48	Krems[HQ]	and we know their reputation for loyalty
23:48	Xeraph[vSC]	not problems anymore.
23:49	Krems[HQ]	ok, I suggest we all stay in this channel
23:49	Krems[HQ]	until this is resolved
23:49	Krems[HQ]	so that we can find eachother easily
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23:49	Krems[HQ]	agreed?
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23:49	chimere[TR]	agreed
23:49	ercuu[TR]	ok