VirtualPreacher insulting and abusing power

VirtualPreacher and SJ tag teaming to abuse power

[17:31] <+Starbase93> Period. End of story.
[17:31] <+kissa> Starbase93:  why ?
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[17:31] <+thehorror> depends on what kind of socialist
[17:32] <+Starbase93> MuslimMan Hey ! LTNX
[17:32] <+trungpa> who you vote for wont change anything about your life anyway
[17:32] <+Starbase93> LTNS
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[17:32] <+MuslimMan> Starbase93 : Hello there :) yea .. been a while hehe
[17:32] <+trungpa> labels are there to keep you divided from other people
[17:32] <+Starbase93> MuslimMan Glad you are okay
[17:32] <+trungpa> just christianity is divided into tens of thousands of cults
[17:33] <+Christian_777> kissa; Starbase93: And they work their tails off for every stinkin penny with no benefits..
[17:33] <+trungpa> just like
[17:33] <+MuslimMan> Starbase93 : yes all praise to ALlah :) its all destiny
[17:33] <+kissa> trungpa:  who you vote for,  changes you life...  if republicans get total control of congress and the white house.... you can say good bye to your social security, mediaid ... ACA ...  back to the middle ages for americans...
[17:33] <+trungpa> the abrahamic teachings, if they had wisdom, would bring peace and unity
[17:33] <+Christian_777> trungpa: Then you shouldn't have any problem finding one that fits your fancy.. :)
[17:33] <+trungpa> instead they bring war and division
[17:34] <+trungpa> Christian_777: i am not interested in supporting the collective delusion
[17:34] <+Christian_777> trungpa: It takes time it's a process...
[17:35] <+trungpa> kissa, those fear tactics dont have any affect on me
[17:35] <+Starbase93> Want the real story on SSI? http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Social_Security.htm
[17:35] <+trungpa> the political system you support is based on fear
[17:35] <+Christian_777> kissa: Right and if we vote for a Democrat, you can most likely say sianara to Israel...
[17:35] <+kissa> trungpa:   specially, if you are independently wealthy ....
[17:36] <+kissa> Christian_777:  I don't think so... and would it be a bad  thing
[17:37] <+thehorror> Christian_777: i wish
[17:37] <+thehorror> but no
[17:37] <+Christian_777> kissa: From a secular position heck no they aren't acting much different than any other nation in the world, however there's a Biblical support that we just can't escape as believers..
[17:37] <+Starbase93> https://gop.com/platform/  here, get an education.
[17:37] <+Christian_777> thehorror: You wish what, the extinction of Jews?
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[17:39] <+trungpa> the abrahamic religions spread by fear and violence
[17:39] <+kissa> Christian_777:   Israel is busy try to get extinction of palestanians
[17:39] <+Christian_777> And if you vote for a democrate you better get used to more unreal epa sanctions and driving around in one of those tiny little cars that are death traps..
[17:39] * +Starbase93 wonders when his people will get thier lands back....
[17:39] <+Christian_777> 100 dollar a gallon gas perhaps..
[17:39] <+trungpa> none of the abrahamic religions have the wisdom to bring peace
[17:39] <+VirtualPreacher> trungpa you are a slow learner arent you
[17:40] <+Starbase93> VirtualPreacher Hey
[17:40] <+kissa> Christian_777:    gas prices have gone down under Obama admin
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[17:40] <+Starbase93> gas prices dropped because of OPEC
[17:40] <+Starbase93> DUH
[17:40] <+Christian_777> kissa: Oh, that's just a smoke screen wait a few years..
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[17:40] * trungpa was kicked by VirtualPreacher (trolling again)
[17:40] <+Christian_777> Policies take years to take effect, were likely seeing the results of good old G dubs work..
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[17:41] <+Starbase93> VirtualPreacher many Republicans forget the obamaphone was started by Bush.'
[17:41] <+Christian_777> However, I agree, the GOP will slit every throat they can..
[17:41] <+kissa> gas prices will drop more,  when we get  renewable energy going
[17:41] <+VirtualPreacher> yeah but bushophone sounds weird.
[17:41] <+prawnsalad> I condemn your last action, VirtualPreacher
[17:41] <+electric-skeptic> wow
[17:41] <+Starbase93> VirtualPreacher True that.
[17:42] <+electric-skeptic> now there was an excellent counter argument
[17:42] <+VirtualPreacher> prawnsalad your hurting my feelings.
[17:42] <+Christian_777> kissa: I want to drive around a Chevy 1300 getting 10 miles a gallon...
[17:42] <+electric-skeptic> You didn't even engage with him
[17:42] <+prawnsalad> I think that you removing the voice from people who have dissenting opinions is very consistent with the entire history of your religious system
[17:42] <+Starbase93> Christian_777 Okay with me
[17:42] <+prawnsalad> And at odds with the secular nations in which you live
[17:43] <+Christian_777> Starbase93: You can't always get what you want... I'm not sure what the lesser of two bad choices is..
[17:43] <+kissa> Christian_777:   what's stopping you,  just watch the wallet...
[17:43] <+electric-skeptic> VirtualPreacher: You really should show some shame
[17:43] <+Starbase93> Christian_777 If you can afford the fuel, go for it
[17:43] <+Christian_777> That's if we really actually have anything to say about it anyhow..
[17:43] <+Christian_777> Starbase93: Well if the whako libs get there way they're wont be any fuel...
[17:44] <+Christian_777> there
[17:44] <+prawnsalad> Christian_777: that is an ad hominem
[17:44] <+Starbase93> Christian_777 I have always liked the Windsor 302 and the Cleveland 350
[17:44] <+prawnsalad> Please don't be a whacko Christian
[17:44] <+Starbase93> Christian_777 The Ford 460 is a nice powerful engine
[17:44] <+VirtualPreacher> electric-skeptic LOL
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[17:44] <+Christian_777> Starbase93: You mean 450?
[17:45] <+kissa> Christian_777:   it hurts you as a conservative, when you see, how bad choices GOP is giving you lately .....    there are not two bad choices,  just one.... vote democrat
[17:45] <+thehorror> Jesus has no opinion on your car
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[17:45] <+Starbase93> http://www.proformanceunlimited.com/specs/460_500drop.html
[17:46] <+Starbase93> Retooled 460
[17:46] <+Starbase93> I meant 460. That is what my Frod truck had
[17:46] <+Christian_777> kissa: I don't see identify as that, I claim independent, however have very conservative moral and ethics..
[17:46] <+Starbase93> http://www.jegs.com/p/Edelbrock/Edelbrock-Ford-460-Performer-RPM-Heads/746836/10002/-1
[17:47] <+Starbase93> F-450 is a model
[17:48] <+Christian_777> I see problems in the extremes on both sides..
[17:48] <+Christian_777> There's people that worked all there lives for Social Security, I'm not ok with them cutting that..
[17:48] <+kissa> Christian_777:   I have high morals and ethics also....  but they are not conservative ....  totally opposite ....
[17:48] <+Christian_777> Just to give rich people tax breaks..
[17:51] <+Starbase93> [14:44] <+thehorror> Jesus has no opinion on your car - Funny, almost spit my coffee
[17:51] <+kissa> Christian_777:  there ya go,  there's hope for you ...      and GOP's idea for 'new social security' is to privatize it .....  'but not for those, who already enjoy their SS'  .. .for future recipients,  so there would be a middle men, making money of people's investments,  also having high risk.... once wall street collapses... there goes your SS
[17:51] <+Starbase93> thehorror Thank you.
[17:52] <+VirtualPreacher> kissa as opposed to the government mismanagement of social security which means exactly the same thing? which part of broke=broke doesnt compute for you? i earn FAR more off of what I invest than this social security ripoff scam.
[17:53] <+kissa> except,  Jesus wants you to have a reliable car,  able to get to work and back... not breaking down on the freeway,  and then you needing to go to 'payday loans' which would rip you off, with their 100% interests...
[17:53] <+VirtualPreacher> not only that but when you did your children dont get a red CENT
[17:53] <+VirtualPreacher> did=die
[17:53] <+Christian_777> And as were seeing with ol denny that sin and corruption don't discriminate and transcend accross all lines...
[17:53] <+VirtualPreacher> you think like a person trapped in a cycle of self inflicted poverty
[17:53] <+Christian_777> I wonder if some people just have more power and money to cover things up..
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[17:54] <+Starbase93> Democrats Defeat GOP Plan To Block Predatory Lending Protections For Soldiers
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[17:54] <+kissa> VirtualPreacher:    not everyone is such a wall street savvy ...   social security must stay as it is,  for some sort of security to many  small wage earners
[17:54] <+Starbase93> House Democrats successfully knocked down a GOP plan early Thursday morning that would have blocked predatory lending protections for American soldiers.
[17:54] <+VirtualPreacher> "i cant do it! i must be a ward of the state! feed me!"  that is not the way to make it in the world thats just the way to remain a lump on a log
[17:55] <+VirtualPreacher> kissa if YOU got to choose what to do with your own money you could choose to buy govt treasuries for example if you were afraid of the stock market or gold or cows or classic muscle cars or land or any other thing.
[17:55] <+Starbase93> Soldiers make particularly good targets for payday lenders, in part because of the reliability of their military paychecks. The military has been combating the debt burdens that payday loans can create for soldiers since at least 2006, but lenders including some of the nation's largest big banks have tailored new items to exploit loopholes in the regulations.
[17:55] <+VirtualPreacher> the issue is it would be *your* choice
[17:55] <+Starbase93> Demo voted against this
[17:56] <+Starbase93> "Faced with a choice between the banks and the troops, members of Congress rushed to side with the banks," Public Citizen President Robert Weissman said in a statement. "But then something happened: The spotlight focused on their unconscionable effort to pay back campaign donors at the expense of the nation’s servicemen and women …. Even with a rigged system, the public interest
[17:56] <+Starbase93> can prevail over powerful industry interests, at least sometimes."
[17:56] <+Christian_777> kissa: Well I suppose as long as they grand fathered the right people in and something was in order that was better for the younger people I would be ok with it...
[17:56] <+Starbase93> Demos voted against it
[17:57] <+Starbase93> According to a 2014 study by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, interest rates on products targeting soldiers frequently soar to 300 percent or higher, far above the 36 percent interest rate cap imposed on payday lending to soldiers in 2006, thanks to loopholes in that cap.
[17:57] <+kissa> Starbase93:  that is hard to believe...   dems would vote against the benefit of soldiers..
[17:57] <+Starbase93> Demos voted against it
[17:57] <+a_a> hey! don't send me pms about Islam!!
[17:57] <+Starbase93> Historical record now
[17:57] <+Christian_777> And I have to agree for the most part most of the people that I ever had a decent job from had lots of money..
[17:57] <+VirtualPreacher> no such thing as a predatory lender that does not force people to take out a loan that is just a propoganda device they use to pass legislation.
[17:57] <+Micosil> kawaiifairy: Please do not PM spam.
[17:57] <+Starbase93> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/payday-lending-soldiers_n_7182510.html
[17:57] <+Micosil> Thank you.
[17:58] <+VirtualPreacher> a predatory lender in actuality is someone like a gangster that forces a small business to take a large loan with their business as collateral, then calls the note and takes the business.
[17:58] <+VirtualPreacher> short term loans are ridiculously expensive but are not predatory
[17:58] <+prawnsalad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bliKbiVh6o
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[18:00] <+Christian_777> Well that's not true totally I had some ok jobs from corporations too..
[18:00] <+kissa> Starbase93:   how I read your url ....  it passed,  dems voted for favor of soldiers....  the url even give names of 30 republicans, who voted against it
[18:00] <+VirtualPreacher> i'm thinking of legally changing my name to Chopface Cowabunga
[18:01] <+VirtualPreacher> kissa they didnt vote in favor of soldiers. they voted in favor of treating soldiers like children.
[18:01] <+Christian_777> Who knows I'm with the JW on this I think stay out of politics...
[18:01] <+Starbase93> kissa I am done with you, you obviously did not read it.
[18:01] <+Christian_777> Whatever is going to be is going to be... My little votes not going to matter..
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[18:02] <+thehorror> usury is a crime
[18:02] <+VirtualPreacher> Christian_777 there is an old saying: those who dont do politics get done.
[18:02] <+VirtualPreacher> thehorror would you like to cite the statute for that?
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[18:02] <+Starbase93> Democrats Defeat GOP Plan To Block Predatory Lending Protections For Soldiers
[18:02] <+Starbase93> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/payday-lending-soldiers_n_7182510.html
[18:03] <+Christian_777> VirtualPreacher: Done how?
[18:03] <+Starbase93> http://www.drudge.com/news/187917/gop-no-predatory-lending-protection
[18:03] <+prawnsalad> Dank Sinatra
[18:03] <+Christian_777> I guess for me it would be simple.. Vote for those that defend Israel...
[18:03] <+VirtualPreacher> Christian_777 in all ways imaginable. if you let everyone else decide for you, thay can vote to have you for dinner.
[18:03] <+Christian_777> All other things will come out in the wash..
[18:04] <+VirtualPreacher> maybe they should pass a law banning soldiers from topless bars too
[18:04] <+VirtualPreacher> and from gambling
[18:04] <+Starbase93> Payday loan reform Wednesday jumped a major hurdle, but faces a long track ahead.
[18:04] <+Starbase93> The House Financial Services committee approved legislation sponsored by Rep. Danny Garrett, R-Trussville that would impose an effective 36 percent interest rate cap on payday loans.
[18:04] <+VirtualPreacher> and from having pay per view
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[18:04] <+Starbase93> http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/politics/southunionstreet/2015/05/06/payday-loan-interest-rate-cap-passes-house-committee/70884856/
[18:05] <+VirtualPreacher> if they succeed in that there wont be anymore "payday loans"
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[18:05] <+VirtualPreacher> and all those folks will have nowhere to go but vinny who will break their knee when they dont pay.
[18:05] <+thehorror> lol
[18:05] <+thehorror> or learn to save
[18:05] <+thehorror> or get a credit card
[18:06] <+VirtualPreacher> uh huh
[18:06] <+thehorror> usury is a crime
[18:06] <+thehorror> you know why vinnie charges such high interest rates, because its illegal to charge such high rates
[18:06] <+Micosil> Hm.
[18:06] <+VirtualPreacher> do you really think people that take out those kinds of loans can get a credit card? and "learn to save"? how nonsensical is that to tell a person that has no money to "go save some money"
[18:06] <+Micosil> So it turns out the adulteress verses in John are probably a later addition.
[18:06] <+Starbase93> The 2006 lending law was passed by Congress after reports of payday lenders charging unusually high interest rates to troops -- 400 percent or more, in some cases — and misleading borrowers about the long-term debt they could incur. - Republicans are seeking a 36% cap.
[18:06] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: its what i tell people
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[18:06] <+Micosil> And probably not penned by John himself.
[18:06] <+prawnsalad> Jesus doesn't care about credit cards
[18:07] <+thehorror> soldeirs are in good positon for it
[18:07] <+thehorror> ive met too many people who get stuck.
[18:07] <+VirtualPreacher> thehorror you must really be slow to be in a conversation where they are talking about passing a law to restrict interest rates on short term loans and then
say "its illegal". good grief thats ironic. if it were illegal they would not be talking about making it illegal.
[18:07] <+thehorror> they get a loan every payday, why? because they already borrowed agianst the current paycheck
[18:07] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: dont insult me
[18:07] <+thehorror> you wouldnt like  me if i got angy
[18:07] <+VirtualPreacher> you insult yourself
[18:08] <+VirtualPreacher> i wouldnt *care* if you got angry
[18:08] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: no. you insulted me
[18:08] <+thehorror> dont
[18:08] <+thehorror> srs
[18:08] <+thehorror> i dont care if you are feeling high and mighty. dont  insulty me
[18:08] <+VirtualPreacher> the conversation is about passing a law to make it illegal, you say "no they cant because its illegal" lol
[18:08] <+kissa> even 36% interest rate in 'payday loans  is too high ...
[18:08] <+thehorror> you cant handle my attention
[18:08] <+Enward> Insults are not nice
[18:08] <+prawnsalad> VirtualPreacher is proud and sinful
[18:09] <+Starbase93> kissa Yes, it is.
[18:09] <+Starbase93> kissa What are the Demos doing about it?
[18:09] <+thehorror> the paycheck loans were a loophole. which is why they werent regulated by the normal usury laws. they just closed a loophole
[18:09] <+VirtualPreacher> if it were illegal, they would not be talking about passing a law to make it illegal. its not complicated.
[18:09] <+kissa> Enward:  you are new to the room,  arent'sa
[18:09] <+thehorror> and they are going away in many states
[18:09] <+VirtualPreacher> prawnsalad feel free to cite my sin
[18:09] <+Starbase93> VirtualPreacher Bingo!
[18:09] <+thehorror> why? because loan sharking is wrong
[18:09] <+Enward> So what
[18:09] <+thehorror> i dunno
[18:09] <+thehorror> what kind of sin is calling someone stupid?
[18:09] <+kissa> Starbase93:  probably trying to get it lower,  if they are against it, then I would say,  they, dems, want the interest to be lower...
[18:10] <+thehorror> esp when the person is both more intelligent and saner
[18:10] <+Starbase93> kissa You are not paying attention.
[18:10] <+thehorror> hubris?
[18:10] <+thehorror> pride?
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[18:10] <+kissa> Starbase93:  I know, my democrats,  they work for a common person...
[18:10] <+Enward> It's called being a jerk the bible says don't be a jerk
[18:11] <+Enward> In leviticus or numbers I believe
[18:11] <+kissa> right,  'kindness rules'
[18:11] <+VirtualPreacher> neither. a person piping up that something is "illegal" in a conversation about current legislation designed to make something illegal is having a problem processing information. ie: slow.
[18:11] <+VirtualPreacher> pretty sure most people get that.
[18:11] <+thehorror> oh sophistry
[18:11] <+VirtualPreacher> you think thats a "sin" lol
[18:12] <+Starbase93> Okay, bro in law just showed up with some KGB! BBIAB, maybe
[18:12] <+thehorror> the pride is obvious in your continued insistence that others are intellectually or morally inferior
[18:12] <+Enward> Being a scoundrel and/or a rapscallion is definitely a sin
[18:12] <+thehorror> all you do is spew bile
[18:12] <+VirtualPreacher> nah thats not pride.
[18:12] <+thehorror> dont insult me
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[18:12] <+thehorror> you cant win
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[18:12] <+Christian_777> Is it unusual that I have an issue trusting people that smoke pot???
[18:12] <+Enward> Virtual preacher didn't ur mother teach u the golden rule pal
[18:12] <+thehorror> Christian_777: thanks for reminding me i have some
[18:12] <+VirtualPreacher> some people actually are intellectually and morally inferior thats just the reality of existence on the earth you cant make that go away.
[18:13] <+Enward> Treat others how u want to be treated sir
[18:13] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: you are in no positiojn to judge
[18:13] <+VirtualPreacher> Enward I do.
[18:13] <+thehorror> obv
[18:13] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: Probably same reason I am a little incredulous toward fat Christians.
[18:13] <+thehorror> just ask around
[18:13] <+thehorror> you are routinely dismissed
[18:13] <+Enward> I don't think ud like to be insulted preqcher
[18:13] <+Enward> Just sayin
[18:13] <+VirtualPreacher> thehorror thats like saying someone is not in a position to judge 2+2=4 lol
[18:13] <+prawnsalad> VirtualPreacher: is just some whacko Christian
[18:13] <+thehorror> it wont end well
[18:13] <+Joel> Christian_777: depends on who you know who smokes it.. maybe you've known untrustworthy people
[18:13] <+VirtualPreacher> Enward it does not bother me one bit.
[18:13] <+Enward> Maybe the horror has a point a little bit
[18:14] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: you think iq is that easy to judge
[18:14] <+VirtualPreacher> thehorror what wont end well?
[18:14] <+thehorror> ?
[18:14] <+tomatobodhi> gluttony being one of the big seven and self-control being a fruit of the spirit, makes it hard to take fat preachers very seriously for me.
[18:14] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: you attempting to take me on
[18:14] <+VirtualPreacher> thehorror whatcha gonna do?
[18:14] <+Christian_777> Joel: No it's pretty much accross the board for the last 15 years, I get a very eary feeling around dope smokers..
[18:14] <+Enward> It bothers most ppl preacher u must be socially aware if u are a weirdo
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[18:14] <+prawnsalad> I generally look down on those who smoker marijuana
[18:14] <+prawnsalad> I was going to call the fire department
[18:15] <+Joel> Christian_777: well it is a plant, it seems that God put it here for a reason
[18:15] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: i just talk to you. you will freak out  and have an emotional meltdown. and then go hide in whatever vice you used to disassociate from cognitive dissonance
[18:15] <+VirtualPreacher> oh I will? lol
[18:15] <+tomatobodhi> Joel: Maybe for the same reason he created the Devil?
[18:15] <+Christian_777> Joel: Lots of stuff is here that G-d made or allowed to man made from what he made and isn't always for the good...
[18:15] <+thehorror> brb. why dont you jsay you are sorry, VirtualPreacher
[18:15] <+thehorror> save me time
[18:15] <+Joel> tomatobodhi: i doubt that
[18:15] <+VirtualPreacher> thehorror because I am not sorry.
[18:16] <+Enward> U could probably apologize a little bit I'm just sayin
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[18:16] <+Christian_777> Joel: again, for me if we agree that there is good and bad what is bad in the world??
[18:17] <+Christian_777> I would have to put pot at the short list for something is in the devils toolbox...
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[18:17] <+Joel> i disagree, i feel no influence from evil because of pot
[18:17] <+tomatobodhi> Like opiates. Obviously evil.
[18:17] <+prawnsalad> Do the opposite of everything VirtualPreacher does if you're interested in being a Christian
[18:17] <+tomatobodhi> What good comes of opiates?
[18:18] <+kissa> pot isn't in devils toolbox.... who are you hurting, if you smoke for your own entertainment..
[18:18] <+Christian_777> Joel: Maybe you're conscience has been seared to the point you can't recognize evil like trying to make a sin of homosexuality no longer wrong...
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[18:18] <+Enward> They help ppl who are in great pain
[18:18] <+kissa> abusing people is  part of 'devil's toolbox'  or whatever...
[18:18] <+tomatobodhi> Lots of things can be abused.
[18:18] <+Christian_777> Joel: You just have gone so far from G-d, he's released you to your own devices...
[18:18] <+VirtualPreacher> prawnsalad you failed to back up your last railing accusation i know you wont be able to back up this one either.
[18:18] <+VirtualPreacher> just a lame attempt at provocation like a typical troll
[18:19] <+Joel> Christian_777: that's pretty assumptive on your part, how do you know where i stand with God?
[18:19] <+tomatobodhi> Joel: You don't agree with him.
[18:19] <+tomatobodhi> Joel: So *obviously* you are alienated from God.
[18:19] <+tomatobodhi> lol
[18:19] <+Christian_777> Joel: Well just in general with what you hold to be true based on a couple thousand years of accepted norms within Christianity...
[18:19] <+Enward> Joel to be fair u can often tell who walks with the Lord and who does not
[18:20] <+Enward> You can often see it plain as day
[18:20] <+Joel> Christian_777: as if i'm alone on that?
[18:20] <+tomatobodhi> The most religious people in the prisons are the sexual offenders.
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[18:20] <+kissa> VirtualPreacher:  now, that you got your 'ops' .. seems, you are sitting even an higher 'mightier than thou'  horse....   sad really
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[18:20] <+Christian_777> Joel: No I would include everyone with similar positions...
[18:20] <+tomatobodhi> Talk is talk. Walk is walk.
[18:20] <+prawnsalad> I estimate VirtualPreacher's IQ at about 85
[18:21] <@S|J_McPherson> :/
[18:21] <+Christian_777> tomatobodhi: It's not about agreeing with me, it's about denying what Christians have accepted in the Bible for 2000 years and more...
[18:21] <+tomatobodhi> I know people who are amazing biblical scholars and yet they are undisciplined and immoral folks. I also know people who are raging heathen who are kind and gentle and compassionate toward others.
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[18:21] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: Maybe they just disagree with those Christians.
[18:22] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: Maybe Christians have been wrong for thousands of years.
[18:22] <+prawnsalad> Christianity has always supported the rights of gay people to marry
[18:22] <+Christian_777> tomatobodhi: Disagree and do what you want but don't claim to be a Bible believer then..
[18:22] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: I really can't say and don't care to.
[18:22] <+prawnsalad> To suggest otherwise is simply Christian bigotry
[18:22] <+Christian_777> prawnsalad: How the hell do you figure?
[18:22] <+Micosil> <+prawnsalad> Christianity has always supported the rights of gay people to marry
[18:22] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: I agree with you there. Internal consistency is the key.
[18:22] <+Micosil> Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
[18:22] <+Micosil> What?
[18:22] <+prawnsalad> Wait, what year is it
[18:23] <+Micosil> It's 2015. That is what year it is.
[18:23] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: If folks want to diverge from historic Christian practice or beliefs, they should just do so honestly.
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[18:23] <+kissa> prawnsalad:  I agree with you,  because christianity does not mean,  be a bigot ...
[18:23] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: They certainly shouldn't rewrite history to fit their beliefs.
[18:23] <+Christian_777> tomatobodhi: It's not what I think it's what is in the inherent word of the living Bible..
[18:23] <+Micosil> tomatobodhi: ++
[18:23] <+Enward> Prawn salad maybe u should be more accepting of other ppl beliefs sir
[18:24] <+Christian_777> The living word of G-d speaks for itself and defines itself..
[18:24] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: Well, there is a lot of debate (historically speaking) about what the inherent word of the bible MEANS.
[18:24] <+Christian_777> tomatobodhi: Not in general...
[18:24] <+Micosil> tomatobodhi, that's why a central teaching authority is required. Within Protestantism, that is indeed the case.
[18:24] <+Micosil> tomatobodhi, and that's because there's little to unite them at an ecclesiastic level.
[18:25] <+kissa> did Jesus Christ taught us to shun away from some people,  not to accept people, as God has created them
[18:25] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: What do you think about Exodus 3:15, where YHWH says that he wants to be called YHWH forever.
[18:25] <+Christian_777> If the Bible is wrong about homosexuality all over the OT and the new, how can I trust anything that is in it?
[18:25] <+tomatobodhi> !kjv ex 3:15
[18:25] <@BibleBot> Exo3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (KJV)
[18:25] <+Enward> Kissa we r to shun those who would be a bad influence
[18:26] <+tomatobodhi> !niv ex 3:15
[18:26] <@BibleBot> Exo3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers--the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob--has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation. (NIV)
[18:26] <+Christian_777> tomatobodhi: What about it?
[18:26] <+kissa> Enward:   do you see homosexuals as a bad influence
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[18:26] <+tomatobodhi> Christian_777: Just wondering how you understand what the inherent word of the bible means there, since you call him G-d all the time
[18:27] <+Enward> That's why I don't speak to catholics as they are sinners worshipping Mary the false idol
[18:27] <+Christian_777> tomatobodhi: That says remembered not written...
[18:27] <+Enward> Kissa homosexual is wrong this is very clear
[18:27] <+Micosil> Enward, I don't worship Mary.
[18:27] <+tomatobodhi> OOOOOHHH I see
[18:27] <+Micosil> Enward, why would I worship her.
[18:27] <+Enward> Catholics do
[18:27] <+Micosil> Enward, as far as being sinners -- sir, I think we're all sinners.
[18:27] <+Enward> Not real christians
[18:27] <+Micosil> Yeah, erm, what I am trying to tell you, Enward, is that I am Catholic.
[18:28] <+kissa> Enward:   what is there to a homosexual to do,  to correct himself, herself ....   you have cure for them
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[18:28] <+Enward> You pray to Mary she is a false idol
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[18:28] <+tomatobodhi> Well, B-ddha doesn't care how you write his name.
[18:28] <+tomatobodhi> lol
[18:28] <+Christian_777> And the more I learn though like Cancel pointed out some books weren't written to us gentiles and other things..
[18:28] <+Enward> Kissa yes don't do it
[18:28] <+Enward> Simple
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[18:28] <+Micosil> Enward, do you think Mary is in heaven? Do you think she's close to her son?
[18:28] <+tomatobodhi> but if you say it lots of times quickly, it is a fun comic book gun sound
[18:28] <+tomatobodhi> buddhabuddhabuddhabuddha
[18:29] <+Christian_777> However, I'm not convinced I'm a gentile...
[18:29] <+Enward> I would be shocked of she wasnt
[18:29] <+VirtualPreacher> [17:20] <kissa> VirtualPreacher:  now, that you got your 'ops' .. seems, you are sitting even an higher 'mightier than thou'  horse....   sad really<-------------------------right because maybe you can identify a single thing I am doing differently. or maybe you can just sit there and tell your usual lies.
[18:29] <+Enward> Pretty sure Jesus let her in the VIP door
[18:29] <+Micosil> Enward, exactly. She is much closer to her son than any of us... so asking her to pray for us, and intercede for us is nothing out of the ordinary.
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[18:29] <+Micosil> Enward: Right. :)
[18:29] <+Micosil> Exactly, "VIP".
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[18:30] <+Enward> Kissa I am not surprised to learn a homosexual supporter is also a liar and outright sinful in other ways
[18:30] <+Micosil> See, Mary for Catholics is precisely a VIP.
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[18:30] <+Christian_777> I have an extraordinary pulling and interest in hebrew roots...
[18:30] <+Micosil> Still a P, Person, but VI, Very Important.
[18:30] <+shameless-seed-feed> lol... at the room subject.
[18:30] <+Enward> Mico she is not God u do not pray to her
[18:30] <+Enward> It's wrong
[18:30] <+kissa> VirtualPreacher:   what was lie there, that I posted... it was an OPINION ...    there is difference, when you get to shouting match with people, like before... now you can op yourself, and your opponent is gone..  right or wrong
[18:30] <+VirtualPreacher> here is the thing, I can do it 3 ways. I can tell you what I really think of your comments in no uncertain terms, or I can keep that to myself and warn you to cut out the personal comments and then use the stupid @ button on you. i'd rather tell you what I really think. but i'd really rather you keep the hateful slander to yourself. what do YOU prefer?
[18:30] <+Enward> That is why the Catholic Church of lies is doomed
[18:30] <+VirtualPreacher> I never shout lol
[18:31] <+VirtualPreacher> now you just lied again.
[18:31] <+Micosil> Enward, well, 2 Maccabees seems to have people praying to the deceased.
[18:31] * +kissa LOL
[18:31] <+VirtualPreacher> for one thing its not about "opponent" its about trolling.
[18:31] <+VirtualPreacher> you railing on people with accusations is useless provocation
[18:31] <+Christian_777> And I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to be grafted into Israel if they weren't Israelite.. This means following the entire Bible as best I can..
[18:31] <+shameless-seed-feed> Enward, why does one need to be prayed to in order to be a god...
[18:31] <+VirtualPreacher> you didnt answer my question
[18:32] <+Enward> Kissa is a troll too what a surprise
[18:32] <+shameless-seed-feed> Hindus worship millions of deities, yet don't pray to them.
[18:32] <+VirtualPreacher> [17:30] <VirtualPreacher> here is the thing, I can do it 3 ways. I can tell you what I really think of your comments in no uncertain terms, or I can keep that to myself and warn you to cut out the personal comments and then use the stupid @ button on you. i'd rather tell you what I really think. but i'd really rather you keep the hateful slander to yourself. what do YOU prefer?<-------------------
[18:32] <+DFC> Micosil: if they jumped off a mountain, would you catholics follow
[18:32] <+DFC> lol
[18:32] <+Enward> Nothing I hear is surprising me wonder why
[18:32] <+Micosil> DFC, who is "they"?
[18:32] <+DFC> 2 Mc
[18:32] <+Enward> Dfc they would follow the pope of deception off a cliff just like they follow him to hell fire right now
[18:33] <+Micosil> DFC, the point is, prayer to the deceased is an ancient Hebrew practice.
[18:33] <+Micosil> As is the cult of saints.
[18:33] <+Micosil> It was well rooted in early Christianity, and the previous Jewish culture./
[18:33] <+Micosil> This is simple history.
[18:34] <+DFC> funny, 2 Mac they prayed to the dead therefore its Gods command, lol
[18:34] <+kissa> VirtualPreacher:  you ought to stay as an op for awhile,  letting people get use to, you'r being an op...  chatters will back down little,  and let you rant   :)
[18:34] <+kissa> just sayin
[18:34] <+VirtualPreacher> that doesnt even make sense
[18:34] <+Micosil> ......well, 2 Maccabees is part of the Bible, and the Bible is the word of God........ so...
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[18:36] <+DFC> Micosil: remember the hebrews were in egypt for 400 years so of course they took on their pagan ways, why do you think the hebrews were in the wilderness for 4 years, certainly not for the weather
[18:36] <+Micosil> lol @ "their Pagan ways"
[18:37] <+DFC> Micosil: you follow the anceint egyptian cult as the ancient hebrews did
[18:38] <+Micosil> Gee, silly me, and here's me thinking the ancient Hebrews were mostly monotheistic Jews.
[18:38] <+Micosil> :P
[18:38] <+VirtualPreacher> as if having ops changes any of that. thats teh point i'm getting at. i'd rather tell you exactly what i think of your silly halfbaked comments. but if I do that, its not fair to use the @ to moderate your comments is it? so there is the thing. you want me to not respond to your accusations? fine. i'll use the @ thing. you want to avoid both? keep your slandering drivel to yourself.
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[18:40] <+DFC> Micosil: its easier to take the hebrews out of pagan egypt than pagan egypt out of the Hebrews. you follow pagan egypt as they did
[18:41] <+thehorror> hmm
[18:41] <+thehorror> not really appropriate language for an op
[18:41] <+thehorror> slandering drivel
[18:41] <+DFC> Micosil: i would not say egypt paganism is of the God of Abraham Isaac Jacob
[18:41] <+Enward> Virtual preacher has probably spent a lot of time here and was asked to moderate I don't see how that means anything bad
[18:42] <+Enward> I don't see the point
[18:42] <+thehorror> the problem is that the op sets the standard for acceptable behavior
[18:43] <+thehorror> and VirtualPreacher is intemperate
[18:43] <+Micosil> DFC, your arguments are rather bad. If you read the fragments in context, it is clear the people involved are pious, devout monotheistic Jews that are actually noticing "amulets sacred to the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. So it was clear to all that this was why these men had fallen."
[18:43] <@S|J_McPherson> hello thehorror
[18:43] <+thehorror> hi sj
[18:43] <+Micosil> DFC, the fragment itself speaks against paganism.
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[18:43] <+Micosil> DFC  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Maccabees+12%3A38-46&version=NABRE
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[18:43] <@S|J_McPherson> you got a new job thehorror?
[18:43] <+thehorror> Micosil: it was a common problem. foreign cults in israel
[18:43] <+thehorror> sj, nope
[18:44] <+DFC> Micosil: for 400 years the hebrews started worshipping te egyptian Gods and it seems as though the rcc has lkept things going with their praying to the dead
[18:44] <@S|J_McPherson> thehorror, thats no good
[18:45] <+southern1> THere are no dead in Christ.
[18:45] <+VirtualPreacher> [17:43] <thehorror> and VirtualPreacher is intemperate<-------------here is the deal. you want to talk smack you get one of two options, i'll tell you exactly what I think of you OR I will ban you.  you get to pick. three options. dont talk smack, accept the rebuke, or skip the rebuke and get banned.
[18:45] <+Micosil> southern1, what then, of the Transfiguration? :>
[18:45] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: you talk smack. people will also talk smack
[18:45] <+thehorror> thats the point
[18:45] <+VirtualPreacher> technically thats three options, but two if you want to talk smack
[18:45] <+thehorror> you are certainly intemperate
[18:45] <+southern1> Micosil+  what context?
[18:46] <+thehorror> need i scroll up to your remarks?
[18:46] <+thehorror> no
[18:46] <+thehorror> you may go
[18:46] <+VirtualPreacher> easiest thing is to keep nonsense personal attacks to yourself
[18:46] <+thehorror> Have i been rebuked?
[18:46] <+DFC> southern1: there are no dead in christ but graceyards are full of dead ppl
[18:46] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: my point is that you constantly make personal attacks
[18:46] <+VirtualPreacher> its not a negotiation its a choice.
[18:46] <+thehorror> which encourages others
[18:47] <+thehorror> and there is no negotiation going on
[18:47] <+VirtualPreacher> thehorror then make it about whats happening in the channel. feel free to attack my comments all you want.
[18:47] <+thehorror> you may ban and or not ban
[18:47] <+southern1> Micosil+  Ok, Yes ideed. Transfiguration. Of course that blows apart the Protestant stand.
[18:47] <+Micosil> :)
[18:47] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: just tone down the personal remarks
[18:47] <+thehorror> im not asking that much
[18:47] <+VirtualPreacher> feel free to call me names if you want too. no problemo. want to harp and troll you might as well voluntarily leave
[18:48] <+DFC> southern1: i dont pray to ppl dead in the grave like pagan egypt did
[18:48] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: did i call you a name?
[18:48] <+thehorror> dubious
[18:48] <+Enward> Virtual gotta say the horror is showing a lot more class than u
[18:48] <+VirtualPreacher> if you have a problem with me take it to pm where I will ignore you
[18:48] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: you cant do that anymore
[18:49] <+thehorror> welcome to ops
[18:49] <@S|J_McPherson> thehorror, please enough
[18:49] <+Christian_777> VirtualPreacher: Why don't you have an @ in front of your nick?
[18:49] <+VirtualPreacher> last warning
[18:49] <+southern1> THose in Christ have passed from death to life, there are no dead in Christ.
[18:49] <+thehorror> VirtualPreacher: for what?
[18:49] <+Enward> Warning for what
[18:49] <+thehorror> for continuing a conversation you started?
[18:49] <+thehorror> dubious
[18:49] <+VirtualPreacher> i'm not going to respond to you anymore. try to make me the subject I will just ban you.
[18:49] <+thehorror> ok
[18:49] <+Enward> Virtual you are the one insulting him calling him names
[18:50] <+VirtualPreacher> blathering on and on complaining about nonsense for half an hour
[18:50] <+thehorror> Dont insult me and we will be fine
[18:50] <+Enward> Ban yourself before a guy u r picking on
[18:50] <+thehorror> i was away
[18:50] <+Christian_777> VirtualPreacher: Why are you exercising authority without an @ in front of your nickname?
[18:50] <+VirtualPreacher> you are still going on an on about it.
[18:50] <+thehorror> he puts it on when he wants to ban someone
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