Omega Toad

[2:40 AM] Omega Toad: Idk much about smashes, what's going on here? https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher:Hamyojo&curid=72118&action=history
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[2:44 AM] nvm: trans?
[2:45 AM] Zeckemyro: Seems that way, although I'd like to hear that from the smasher themself
[2:45 AM] Zeckemyro: :LuigiForgot:
[2:46 AM] Omega Toad: Eww... well until anyone knows for sure should I just leave it?
[2:47 AM] Zeckemyro: I'd say leave it for now, yes
[2:47 AM] nvm: maybe find the smasher social media and see whether anything is mentioned?
[2:47 AM] Zeckemyro: although someone should-
[2:47 AM] Zeckemyro: yeah that
[2:48 AM] Timson: https://twitter.com/hamyojo/status/1274569430694068224

TLOC | hamyojo ♀️ Birthday Girl (@hamyojo)
I'm Hazel, by the way. Today's my first birthday. I'm 24 years old. She/her.
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[2:49 AM] Zeckemyro: ayyy
[2:50 AM] Zeckemyro: wait ''Gross'' is a last name?
[2:51 AM] Omega Toad: Bleah, OK I'll just leave it, unless it's considered false info (I mean it technically is false to use female pronouns)
[2:51 AM] Zeckemyro: excuse me
[2:51 AM] Omega Toad:
wait ''Gross'' is a last name?
I guess "Gross" can be a last name?
[2:51 AM] Plague von Karma: What
[2:51 AM] Timson: ...not good implications
[2:51 AM] Zeckemyro: hold the fucking phone on that
[2:51 AM] Zeckemyro: and explain what you meant
[2:51 AM] Plague von Karma: Hold on Toad
[2:52 AM] nvm:
Bleah, OK I'll just leave it, unless it's considered false info (I mean it technically is false to use female pronouns)

i thought some trans have "her" as a pronouns on the wiki?
[2:52 AM] Omega Toad:

[2:52 AM] Zeckemyro: Explain yourself
[2:52 AM] Zeckemyro: now.
[2:52 AM] Plague von Karma: ^
[2:52 AM] Plague von Karma: Now
[2:53 AM] Omega Toad: I'm against trans. That's all I'll say. Let's not start an argument please
[2:53 AM] Zeckemyro: a transphobic admin
[2:53 AM] Zeckemyro: wonderful
[2:53 AM] Plague von Karma: Joy
[2:53 AM] Zeckemyro: @Serpent King I'd like to file a complaint
[2:54 AM] Omega Toad: Let's not let things get out of hand please
[2:54 AM] nvm: I dont want to argue and cause problems too
[2:54 AM] Plague von Karma: Well, I'm not editing this wiki knowing that an admin is against my very fucking identity.
[2:54 AM] Plague von Karma: Good fucking bye.
[2:54 AM] Zeckemyro: I am not comfortable with you having power with that horrible mindset
[2:54 AM] nvm: oh no
[2:54 AM] Omega Toad: Does it even matter? I'm not gonna stop anyone from being trans if they want.
[2:55 AM] Plague von Karma: Yes, it does. Please educate yourself.
[2:55 AM] Zeckemyro: I can't trust you to be neutral in every situation
[2:55 AM] Plague von Karma: ^
[2:55 AM] Omega Toad: We all have different viewpoints on things.
[2:56 AM] Zeckemyro: Except the one you have has ruined lives and I don't want someone like that in a position of power
[2:56 AM] Plague von Karma: ^
[2:56 AM] Timson: and "I disagree with your entire identity" should not be one of them
[2:56 AM] Omega Toad: Guys just leave it be.
[2:56 AM] Zeckemyro: No.
[2:56 AM] Plague von Karma: I am speaking as a transgender human being. One who experiences hardships every day.
[2:56 AM] Plague von Karma: No.
[2:56 AM] Plague von Karma: I'm not leaving this be.
[2:57 AM] Omega Toad: This isn't even the right place to be discussing this anyway.
[2:57 AM] Plague von Karma: No, it is.
[2:57 AM] Zeckemyro: Well one of the wiki's administrators is biased against transgender people
[2:57 AM] Zeckemyro: this is absolutely the correct channel
[2:57 AM] Plague von Karma: You said yourself, it's "false" to refer to a trans person by their pronouns.
[2:57 AM] Plague von Karma: So we are discussing that page, no?
[2:57 AM] DrakRoar: OmegaToad, please stop dodging the question. You touched upon an extremely sensitive topic that is relevant to the current discussion.
[2:57 AM] Plague von Karma: You didn't speak about Onua.
[2:57 AM] Plague von Karma: As staff it is YOUR responsibility to answer questions.
[2:58 AM] Plague von Karma: So take the responsibility.
[2:58 AM] DrakRoar: If anything you should be having a discussion with the rest of the staff and see if they agree at all with what you just did
[2:58 AM] DrakRoar: Unfortunately this isn't really the time (it's late)
[2:58 AM] Zeckemyro: Unfortunately, SK seems to be asleep
[2:58 AM] nvm: For example Chia has "her" as a pronoun so I don't see the problem at all
[2:59 AM] Plague von Karma: Words cannot express my fucking disappointment here. I supported someone who feels the need to say shit like it's false to give a trans person the basic respect of their pronouns.
[2:59 AM] Plague von Karma: So, Toad.
[2:59 AM] Plague von Karma: Would you refer to me, a transwoman, as a male or female here?
[3:00 AM] Plague von Karma: Simple question.
[3:00 AM] Omega Toad: If you want to be referred to as female then I'll use that.
[3:00 AM] Plague von Karma: And you said earlier you believe it is "false"?
[3:00 AM] Zeckemyro: now explain why you contradict yourself
[3:01 AM] Zeckemyro: I really hope that in the end you're misinformed
[3:01 AM] Plague von Karma: ^
[3:01 AM] nvm: so it is right here but wrong on the wiki??

contradiction
[3:01 AM] Zeckemyro: and not of bad faith
[3:01 AM] Plague von Karma: Given he's said he's "against trans" it sounds enormously bad faith.
[3:02 AM] Zeckemyro: Now hold on, you can be against something and just be misinformed
[3:02 AM] Señor Mexicano: whoa whoa what the fuck
[3:02 AM] Plague von Karma: Fair
[3:02 AM] Zeckemyro: I've seen a few instances of that during the BLM movement recently
[3:02 AM] Plague von Karma: Right right
[3:02 AM] Omega Toad:
so it is right here but wrong on the wiki??

contradiction
[3:02 AM] Zeckemyro: That's mainly why I want explanations
[3:02 AM] Omega Toad: Well I didn't know that's the wiki rules. Simple as that.
[3:03 AM] Plague von Karma: Yet you're staff????????
[3:03 AM] Zeckemyro: It's not the wiki's rule more than it is basic common sense
[3:03 AM] Plague von Karma: ^
[3:03 AM] DrakRoar: ...what wiki rules...
[3:03 AM] Omega Toad: This is why I usually keep my beliefs to myself
[3:03 AM] nvm: ?
[3:03 AM] DrakRoar: Where in the rules does it say anything about people's identity?
[3:03 AM] Zeckemyro: nowhere, at this point it looks like Toad's trying to stop the situation from escalating
[3:04 AM] Omega Toad: ^
[3:04 AM] Zeckemyro: That wasn't in your favour btw
[3:04 AM] Plague von Karma: Not exactly helping the situation
[3:04 AM] Zeckemyro: just means you're trying to save your position
[3:04 AM] Zeckemyro: not disclosing your beliefs indicates bigottery instead of misinformation as well
[3:04 AM] Plague von Karma: ^
[3:04 AM] DrakRoar: Let alone, rules are mainly guidelines, they aren't some holy grail that contains absolutely everything about how the wiki works. There's some things you obviously have to be aware of yourself.
[3:04 AM] Omega Toad: Well I wasn't
[3:05 AM] DrakRoar: Which includes respecting users' identity
[3:05 AM] Omega Toad: So if users want to be identified in their preferred way I'll respect that
[3:06 AM] Plague von Karma: Then why were you citing a wiki rule that doesn't exist
[3:06 AM] Plague von Karma: At least, one that apparently does??
[3:06 AM] Zeckemyro: I'm still unsure you can be completely unbiased whenever this topic comes about, which, as administrator, you need to be
[3:06 AM] Plague von Karma: ^
[3:07 AM] aidanzapunk: hey real quick I'm just gonna say
you can have your own beliefs, whether or not people agree with you is one thing
but holy shit
you cannot say that as an admin
like, I'm going to flat out tell you no.
[3:07 AM] Plague von Karma: You don't sound "respectful" about it, more "tolerant by restriction".
[3:07 AM] Omega Toad: Look if you're offended i'm sorry
[3:07 AM] Zeckemyro: you sound like a politician
[3:07 AM] Plague von Karma: That's not even a real "sorry"
[3:07 AM] Plague von Karma: Holy shit dude
[3:08 AM] Zeckemyro: ''I'm sorry you were offended, not about what I did''
[3:08 AM] Señor Mexicano: You can't just claim to be respectful of trans people then completely shit on the concept.
[3:08 AM] Señor Mexicano: Like what
[3:08 AM] Zeckemyro: it is 100% ''I want to keep this position''
[3:08 AM] aidanzapunk: especially after outright saying you're against them (your words, not mine)
[3:09 AM] Zeckemyro: I'm gonna ask one last time
[3:09 AM] Zeckemyro: explain your beliefs
[3:09 AM] Plague von Karma: You're not even open to discussing why you have the views in the first place. No discourse, no nothing. Just "I'm sorry I have this view that offended you!!".
[3:09 AM] Omega Toad: I'm Christian. That's all.
[3:09 AM] Zeckemyro: Of course it's religious
[3:09 AM] Zeckemyro: let me guess, homophobic as well?
[3:09 AM] the wario/plant guy: religion imo is NOT an excuse to be against human beings being who they want
[3:09 AM] Plague von Karma: Right so
[3:09 AM] aidanzapunk: let's not delve into that shitshow
[3:10 AM] aidanzapunk: as much as I personally would love to
[3:10 AM] Plague von Karma: A part of Christianity is not to judge people.
[3:10 AM] DrakRoar: ...What does this have to do with religion at all?
[3:10 AM] aidanzapunk: @DrakRoar I'll DM you
[3:10 AM] Zeckemyro: religion has been teaching intolerance since its inception
[3:10 AM] Zeckemyro: organized one at least
[3:10 AM] aidanzapunk: hey, again, drop it. we're not here to talk about religion.
[3:10 AM] Zeckemyro: sure
[3:11 AM] aidanzapunk: this is one of the reasons it's a banned topic in the server
[3:11 AM] Zeckemyro: Yes, I understand.
[3:11 AM] Omega Toad: Yeah... I messed up and I won't do it again.
[3:12 AM] Zeckemyro: We're way past that
[3:12 AM] Plague von Karma: This is so fake
[3:12 AM] Plague von Karma: So, so, so fake
[3:12 AM] Plague von Karma: There's no awareness of anything in what you've been saying.
[3:13 AM] Plague von Karma: There's no empathy. Just empty words.
[3:13 AM] Plague von Karma: Sorry, I'm not comfortable being here anymore.
[3:13 AM] Disaster Flare: Alright, I was waiting for Serpent and Toomai's decision on this, but I think I've seen enough. I'm making an immediate decision now. @Omega Toad, effective immediately, you will be demoted for the time being, since it is clear users are very uncomfortable with you being in a state of power right now. Serpent, Toomai, and anyone else here who has a problem with it can talk to me about it tomorrow. After, I want this to be EoD immediately. No more discussion of this period.