Match 4 Judgement

Jesus this one was hard to get a grip on, but this had me laughing my ass off in my room at 3AM so cheers to both of you.

Guy's Round 1 sets the stage for half of what turn into the big talking points of this debate: Everything Brimstone related and Clownmuffle's / Mao Pam's use of esoterics. While I feel like the section going over physicals covered a good amount of bases, the reality of the debate is that blunt force durability was barely being argued by either for wincons (or if it was, it was accessory to esoterics/piercing), and this basically leaves the most relevant points being Brimstone sucking and Clownmuffle memeing. The former Guy does excellently both in his R1 and R2 and the later is also well-composed, and while Corv poked holes in a lot of things Guy just straight-up got wrong it didn't ever feel like these actually hurt his main premises regarding Brimstone.

Corv's R1 was excellent and shits over basically everything on the above, and makes an otherwise good R1 from Guy look mediocre. While it had some arguments I thought Guy had the overall advantage in later on (namely, Guy's response to Ryuko mind-reading, Ryuko's blunt force, Brimstone's passive heat), Corv covers so many bases at once with piercing from Ryuko, Shiggy/Aku, Brimstone's direct heat, Nanoha sucking, and Guy's team communication that I found it hard to believe that Guy produced a R2 in response to this that touched on all of the above points while still pushing forward new arguments. Again though physicals for force and blunt durability were largely sidelined, so I feel like even a few of the arguments Guy took edges in weren't very relevant to what was being discussed.

Guy's R2 continues the pattern of shitting on literally everything in the previous response and IMO there's a lot of mini-arguments he effectively wins with this post. I felt like he had great responses for mostly everything Ryuko-related (yes, even with what Corv pointed out regarding timeframes for mind-reading in his own R2 I felt like Guy's overall argument about mind-reading was both hilarious and well-argued), Brimstone's passive heat (although while memeworthy the argument for Brimstone's durability was pretty much washed out by Corv's R2), Shiggy (making a good point of what Shiggy doing not being possible with the ruleset), and Nanoha not sucking. I thought the argument that Brimstone killing everyone on the battlefield but Clownmuffle was hilarious and decently put together, but Corv disarms this as well later on. However, while Guy makes a lot of arguments that generally make sense, there's a ton of holes that Corv picks at that makes stuff like Brimstone and Clownmuffle look much less informed, which hurts an otherwise solid advantage.

And that leaves Corv's R2. I'll start by saying that, even though Guy had edges in most of the Ryuko-related arguments, Corv manages to argue a number of them successfully back, and these ones (Ryuko's speed and piercing) are basically the brunt of what was being used for wincons. Aku and Shiggy still have strong presences and a few arguments are outright killed on arrival (mostly with Aku) despite my expectation of Aku hard to argue as fighting competently. Brimstone was defended well on a few points, and although Guy argued against passive heat too well for me to completely give it to Corv, it never felt like Brimstone needed to have passive "fuck you" heat to be relevant, an his durability was defended well. Most importantly many of Clownmuffle's significant arguments were put down, namely her wincons and coordination, which hurt much of Guy's team's reasoning for being able to take out Brimstone and Aku.

Corv wins. There was a lot arguments on both sides that were ripped apart by each other, and at the end of it all the stuff that was still standing favored Corv more than it did Guy.