T1r3sias on environmental fascism, personal integrity

window-afk  11:09:46
this is the latest one, deusexbee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59sBp3OtduU
They discuss that 16 year old Scandinavian girl with autism who is being used as a puppet by radical left-wing environmentalist fascists
just finished my hot dog
going to work bbl
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+ innit  11:12:35
"radical"
"environmental fascist"
Environmental fascism isn't a thing.
You're just sticking scary words together to invoke an emotional response.
fullini  11:13:03
If they use a person for a good intention, it's ok
+ innit  11:13:27
fullini, he provided no evidence for his claims, and several of his words indicates he doesn't value evidence.
Do not yield to his claims.
His usage of the phrase "environmental fascism" is entirely disqualifying.
fullini  11:14:24
I don't care if they use her or not. Global warming is a real peoblem
+ innit  11:15:32
Fascism is a governmental system in which the state works with corporate power, under the banner of intense nationalism and militarism, led by a 'charismatic' man who claims to have abilities and insights incomprehensible to standard methodology available in that culture.
There is no 'charismatic' man involve in Greta Thunberg's climate activism.
There's no militarism.
There's little state activity.
Most corporate power desires to pretend climate change isn't real.
T1r3sias  11:17:19
]  innit: Environmental fascism isn't a thing.
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+ innit  11:17:37
Climate change is the scientific truth, while climate denial is false @ abilities and insights...
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+ innit  11:17:44
Fascism doesn't mean bad.
T1r3sias  11:17:53
It is. It's a very very fringe movement but it does exist.
+ innit  11:17:57
When we call Trump, Trumpism, and the GOP fascists we don't mean they're bad.
doomed  11:18:20
Hi.
+ innit  11:18:21
Citation please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofascism
Ecofascism is a theoretical political model in which a totalitarian government would require individuals to sacrifice their own interests to the "organic whole of nature" and which would rely on militarism and expansionism.[citation needed] The term is also used as a rhetorical pejorative to undermine the environmental movement[1] and in the United Kingdom, it has been used to describe far-right efforts to gain influence within the Green Party of England and Wales.
doomed  11:18:49
How can fascism be good?
+ innit  11:18:57
"theoretical"
"would"
"rhetorical pejorative"
doomed, fascism has a precise meaning, and doesn't mean bad.
T1r3sias  11:19:42
https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2018/09/eco-fascism-ideology-marrying-environ...
+ innit  11:19:56
A lot of uneducated people mean it as a synonym for 'scary bad'.
You'll see Trump supports attempt to gaslight in that regard when we accurately describe Trump, Trumpism, and the GOP as fascist.
doomed  11:20:52
I know what it means. I also know that fascism is not a good thing.
+ innit  11:21:09
Your question was technically a non sequitur, doomed, though reasonable.
It appears resolved.
T1, I'll read this article.
I've never encountered a single white supremacist who was an environmentalist.
So I am highly skeptical it is "thriving" online.
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T1r3sias  11:25:01
[19:22]  innit: I've never encountered a single white supremacist who was an environmentalist.
Well, that settles it then.
innit never met one.
TN_Drifter  11:25:40
yet most of them live off the grid.........how many white supremacist have you encountered?
+ innit  11:25:44
I think you may be trying to intimate I'm using a fallacy.
You just gave false witness against me, T1.
Why did you do that.
T1r3sias  11:26:18
The El Paso shooter gave environmental nationalist reasons in his manifest.
Manifesto.
+ innit  11:26:44
My statement is a perfect expression of curiosity and Bayesian inference.
And you misrepresented it as an anecdotal fallacy.
That is corrosive to our dialogue.
The truth of a position is determined between the evidence and the prior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem
My prior is that I've never met a single white supremacist who is an environmentalist.
Then, this author claims a phenomenon I've never observed doesn't just exist, but is "thriving".
That would require, under Bayes' theorem, very strong evidence to move my prior.
You then lied about what I said.
I explicitly stated I would read your article.
I am in the middle of reading your article.
And you lie to pair a negative stimulus to that behavior.
Having people willing to consume your evidence is exactly the behavior you wish to encourage.
CozmoBozo  11:29:34
innit!!!!
me favourite edible toy
:)
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+ innit  11:33:05
I agree that the El Paso shooter expressed concern over the environment.
+ innit  11:35:01
The Christchurch mosque shooter also seemed to marry environmental concerns strongly to the rest of his ideology.
I will now update my beliefs:
There is a fusion of environmental concerns and nationalism/white supremacy.
Erfquake  11:35:34
I wonder if he considered how toxic most corpses are when they're buried
CozmoBozo  11:35:37
its called reformation
+ innit  11:35:58
My beliefs now are similar to T1's claims, i.e. he 'won' the discussion.
But, because he lied about me during the discussion, my respect for them is importantly decreased.