[con] WHY FFR PEOPLE SO THICKHEADED

<Shikari> so jous-nbook
<Shikari> why aren't you on Red Fraction yet?
<Jous-Nbook> cuz red faction sucks and its a stupid idea to revive the comunity because the main idea was to make stepmania.com new player friendly and the resurection of red fraction is a dumb idea because there is no new player going to join it
<Shikari> so many h9tred in this comment I even shat my pantaloons
<Elda|working> No Hating plz !!
<Jous-Nbook> like its just rebirth thinking he needs to solve the problem which is totaly not needed because reviving red fraction is just a dumb idea which will split comunitys more in the end
<Jous-Nbook> like look at the talking that has actually been going on the forum there is almost nothing in the stepmania/ffr section and why is that
<Jous-Nbook> because red fraction will not survive stepmania
<Jous-Nbook> and I'm not going to suport something I know for sure will fail
<Jous-Nbook> cuz I'm a dick
<Jous-Nbook> like even the IRC is dead of rf
<Shikari> [17:44] Jous-Nbook because red fraction will not survive stepmania
<Jous-Nbook> cuz no one cares
<Shikari> I disagree in this.
<Shikari> Before I explain why, let's take a look at the IRC topic.
<Shikari> G-Dude said something aobut the IRC
<Shikari> It was that creating an IRC channel just for RF would split everything even more
<Shikari> so, let's all use #kbo, since a good part of prolific players/stepauthors are there.
<Shikari> Now, here's why I disagree:
<Jous-Nbook> Shikari ffr is dying no one new joins, other comunity's are dying and if you can make stepmania.com look fun for new people they will join, why would a person join red fraction
<Jous-Nbook> tell me why
<Jous-Nbook> why would a new person join red fraction
<Shikari> Because it's a new community. We tried to make stepmania.com our new "home", but turned out it wasn't a good idea.
<Shikari> 5 members online, one thousand guests
<Jous-Nbook> its not a new community
<Shikari> let me finish.,
<Shikari> hold your horses, my good friend.
<Jous-Nbook> its an revived comunity with only members from ffr
<Jous-Nbook> no one is new
<Shikari> HOLD YOUR HORSES, MAAAAAAAAAAN ):
<Shikari> now, proceeding
<Shikari> it is a new communtyi in my opinion. Only people from FFR noins because "thw word wasn't spread yet", only people around FFR knows about it
<Razor> lol like 1% of the userbase is from FFR
<Elda|working> lol
<Shikari> as I said, it's like known for everybody that stepmania.com is more of a database than a community
<Razor> stepmania.com is ded
<Jous-Nbook> thats because no one helps build up stepmania.com
<Shikari> hence why the quantity of guests online is far, far, FAR superior than the quantity of registered memebrs online
<Razor> because no one cares to. hence why its dead
<Shikari> members*
<Jous-Nbook> even freem thinks reviving red fraction is a stupid idea
<Shikari> I was trying something at stepmania.com, along with Staiain
<Shikari> we tried to gather a few members from other communities there, but it wasn't effective
<Shikari> brb my toe is bleeding
<Jous-Nbook> the stepmania.com community needs to be build up from the ground
<Jous-Nbook> and seeing that everyone is so AGAINST using stepmania.com and instead all hangs around ffr saying people on stepmania.com hate them
<Jous-Nbook> even tough stepmania.com is dead so there is no one to hate them
<Jous-Nbook> so its just bullshit
<Jous-Nbook> so then rebirth comes along think its up to him to solve it and revives red fraction
<Jous-Nbook> which is in my opinion a stupid idea
<Jous-Nbook> it will not help stepmania nor stepmania.com
<Razor> why would RF want to help stepmania.com rofl
<Shikari> wait
<Shikari> [17:53] Jous-Nbook and seeing that everyone is so AGAINST using stepmania.com and instead all hangs around ffr saying people on stepmania.com hate them
<Jous-Nbook> it will just be another comunity like ffr,kbo,ts,pumphaven and a load of other comunities
<Shikari> it's not like people are AGAINST using stepmania.com as a community
<Razor> you act as if we revived RF with the intention to "revive" the SM community or w/e
<Jous-Nbook> thats not what I have seen
<Shikari> I would use it easily, I even tried it
<Jous-Nbook> the main goal of the topic was to revive stepmania
<Mai> http://i.imgur.com/ebn1l.png
<Elda|working> *clicks*
<Razor> shikari r u admin on SM
<Shikari> super mod
<Jous-Nbook> so Razor  your sating red fraction has actually nothing to do with with that topic
<Shikari> me and Staiain
<Jous-Nbook> then why did rebirth post it in that topic
<Shikari> because, when we had our "stepmania revival" utopia, we tried to use stepmania.com as a start
<Razor> we had thoughts of reviving RF way before that topic
<Jous-Nbook> while saying I think I have a solution to this. try http://redfraction.us
<Elda|working> *clicks*
<Shikari> we even tried to organize packs there
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<Elda|working> hurro Yuyuko-sama !!
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<Jous-Nbook> Shikari think about this
<Jous-Nbook> redfraction revives 90+ people join
<Razor> shikari, with super mod status, you wouldnt have been able to do stuff lol
<Elda|working> lol
<Jous-Nbook> we talk about reviving stepmania.com because its dead
<Jous-Nbook> no fuck gives a fuck
<Shikari> razor, that's why admins were collabing with me and Staiain
<Jous-Nbook> and because of that stepmania will die
<Shikari> jous, hold down
<Razor> you're implying that the 90-100 people who still frequently play SM
<Razor> are the entire SM community rofl
<Jous-Nbook> no
<Shikari> Rebirth posted "try redfraction" on that topic solely because using an already existing community (stepmania.com) wasn't a good idea
<Razor> exactly
<Shikari> so, let's use a fresh community (fuck the name, we are talking about the website itself) and let people join it
<Jous-Nbook> it wont work
<Shikari> you could try, man
<Jous-Nbook> ask the admins of ssc
<Mai> lol
<Elda|working> lol
<Razor> lol
<Elda|working> lol
<Shikari> I was thinking about it
<Mai> lol
<Elda|working> lol
<Razor> wow
<Razor> this conversation is lol
<Elda|working> lol
<Shikari> to acutally have a conversation with freem, even shakesoda
<Shikari> AGAIN
<Jous-Nbook> I had a talk with them and they were also like that reviving red fraction is bullshit
<Jous-Nbook> and I talk with them daily because I'm in their private irc channel
<Jous-Nbook> thats for ssc devolpers
<Razor> well why dont they actually do shit to revive their site
<Razor> instead of saying RF is bullshit
<Jous-Nbook> they tried lol
<Elda|working> lol
<Razor> sounds 2 me like jealousy is arising
<Jous-Nbook> many times
<Shikari> see, Jous?
<Jous-Nbook> but no one gives a flaming fuck about stepmania.com
<Shikari> they tried to revive stepmania.com, yet they fail
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<Shikari> because seems like stepmania.com, in players' mind, is only a database
<Jous-Nbook> because no one CARES about stepmania.com
<Shikari> for software downloading
<Elda|working> motherfuckingdownload !!
<Jous-Nbook> osu has an active forum
<Razor> because people look @ stepmania.com as a database
<Razor> not as a community
<Shikari> so what did they do to make people care about stepmania.com?
<Jous-Nbook> even frets of fire had an active forum
<Jous-Nbook> before it died because everyone stopped playing
<Jous-Nbook> even other games have active forums before they died
<Shikari> from the beginning, Stepmania had separated communities all over the internet
<Shikari> why? I don't know, but it's true
<Jous-Nbook> no
<Shikari> why not?
<Jous-Nbook> it happend when ffr came
<Jous-Nbook> ffr came it was an open comunity and almost anyone could make a file and put it in this flash game
<Jous-Nbook> + it had multi player and chat and everything so people could play together and talk and have fun
<Jous-Nbook> and the database so everyone move to that
<Jous-Nbook> but what happend now is
<Jous-Nbook> everyone became elite
<Jous-Nbook> and herp derp QUALITY STEPPING
<Shikari> oh, elitism
<Shikari> I was waiting for it
<Shikari> seriously
<Jous-Nbook> so people join and are like I made this file can you try it
<Jous-Nbook> IT SUCKS
<Jous-Nbook> ITS BAD
<Jous-Nbook> U SUCK
<Jous-Nbook> HERP DERP SO BAD
<Jous-Nbook> sm died
<Jous-Nbook> the end
<Jous-Nbook> GAME OVER
<Shikari> you didn't see FFR summer pack thread, did you?
<Jous-Nbook> thats because people are desperatly trying to revive stepmania but they just wont change
<Shikari> Gundam-Dude pretty much accept EVERY file for it
<Jous-Nbook> its still the same shit
<Shikari> and he used to be elitist as shit
<Jous-Nbook> no one wants to use stepmania.com for some stupid reason
<Shikari> you are not seeing this specific reason, Jous
<Jous-Nbook> but they are desprate trying to revive stepmania by accepting everyfile
<Jous-Nbook> so people will be like THIS PACK SUCK
<Shikari> SM always had separated communities, because it has separated "play styles"
<Shikari> LET ME FINISH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE
<Jous-Nbook> the so called elits will get sick of these packs
<Jous-Nbook> and will retire
<Jous-Nbook> and quit
<Jous-Nbook> and thats whats happening right now
<Shikari> my God, jous, WAIT A SECOND
<Shikari> fuck
<Jous-Nbook> and forking sm again to a new comunity will only make it worse
<Shikari> so what's the solution?
<Shikari> gather everyone in stepmania.com?
<Jous-Nbook> but then again if ffr dies stepmania.com can rebuild
<Razor> lol
<Shikari> ok
<Elda|working> lol
<Shikari> this is the solution
<Shikari> let's gather every Stepmania player in stepmania.com
<Jous-Nbook> there are still active piu comunities out there so
<Jous-Nbook> and other comunities
<Jous-Nbook> the funny thingis
<Jous-Nbook> if ffr dies and most people retire
<Razor> shikari, lets not.
<Jous-Nbook> it wont effect me
<Shikari> Razor, wait.
<Jous-Nbook> cuz I make noteskins and there are a load of other comunites out there
<Jous-Nbook> like that korean one
<Shikari> if the solution seems to be rebuilding stepmania.com, ok
<Shikari> let's give it a try
<Shikari> a, let's say, 6 months try
<Shikari> time enough, isn't it?
<Jous-Nbook> and polish, german, brazilian and load of others so
<Razor> lol youre on your own if thats what you want
<Elda|working> lol
<Shikari> BRAZILIAN?!
<Shikari> HAHAHAHAHA
<Razor> ill sit back and watch u all fail
<Jous-Nbook> load of brazilian
<Shikari> There is NO Stepmania community in here
<Shikari> I'm tellin' ya
<Jous-Nbook> u think so
<Shikari> NO stepmania community
<Shikari> I think so.
<Razor> I know so*
<Shikari> Fuck, I tried to find stepmania players online for almost FOUR years, Jous
<Shikari> I found like... 10?
<Jous-Nbook> http://www.ph-online.net/html/
<Elda|working> *clicks*
<Jous-Nbook> they use stepmania but play PIU
<Shikari> of course
<Shikari> Brazilians only care about PiU
<Jous-Nbook> most brazilian switched over to PIU because ddr is so dead
<Shikari> 4k? 6k? They don't give a single shit, let alone a fuck.
<Shikari> lol dead
<Jous-Nbook> only the japs still care about ddr
<Elda|working> lol
<Razor> lol
<Elda|working> lol
<Jous-Nbook> cuz it originated from jap
<Shikari> 4k always had activity
<Shikari> especially now, after the ITG boom
<Shikari> Brazilians only care about PiU because they only know it
<Shikari> if they got to know SM, we would have more players
<Jous-Nbook> ever heard of stepmania amx
<Shikari> no
<Shikari> anyway, I'll be back later, got house shit to do
<Shikari> kissus
<Jous-Nbook> its an modivied version of stepmania 3.9 for piu
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<Jous-Nbook> he left