grunz finds swordless dot skip: the movie

[15:57:10] <MrGrunz> holy shit
[15:57:14] <MrGrunz> dot skip without sword
[15:57:17] <MrGrunz> I almost have it
[15:57:20] <sockfolder> ?
[15:57:22] <qwerty1605> wat
[15:57:23] <maxx> uh?
[15:57:25] <qwerty1605> no way
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[15:57:26] <sockfolder> with what
[15:57:27] <MrGrunz> crashed between dot
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[15:57:29] <MrGrunz> maybe I can do it
[15:57:33] <pokey> how grunz
[15:57:40] <sockfolder> no weapon at all?
[15:57:40] <MrGrunz> you'll see
[15:57:42] <pokey> stream please
[15:57:47] <MrGrunz> not any weapons
[15:58:14] <Swordless> It'll be to do with when you press Z
[15:58:20] <MrGrunz> yeah
[15:58:22] <Swordless> To shift the direction of Link's momentum during the sidehop
[15:58:23] <MrGrunz> I target the dot
[15:58:33] <maxx> that like, wildly changes any%
[15:58:37] <Swordless> I'd be impressed if you got that to work
[15:58:41] <pokey> not really maxx
[15:58:50] <maxx> you could skip pond
[15:58:59] <pokey> ?
[15:59:08] <maxx> there is a trick with lonlon
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[15:59:17] <maxx> you pay to ride horses then quit or something
[15:59:20] <pokey> .seen zaccio
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[15:59:25] <pokey> i thought that was in oot3d
[15:59:28] <maxx> and if you never got kokiri sword, it gives you stick b
[15:59:39] <pokey> holy shit
[15:59:40] <maxx> it was from original oot
[15:59:42] <pokey> no tektite hover?!?!?!?
[15:59:45] <pokey> :D:D:D\
[15:59:48] <maxx> iirc yeah
[15:59:50] <pokey> GO FUCKING GRUNZ GOOOO
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[16:00:12] <qwerty1605> wtf who stole pokey's password
[16:00:25] <pokey> qwerty1605 this makes any% with graveyard skip doable for me
[16:00:59] <pokey> does aquascape break stick?
[16:01:17] <Static> doesn't have to
[16:01:18] <MrGrunz> I don't think so
[16:01:23] <zodiac> it doesnt
[16:01:27] <qwerty1605> I still think it would be funnier to see the Japs reactions when you sub 1 on englesh with tektite hover and graveyard stick
[16:01:34] <qwerty1605> they'd think we're insane
[16:01:47] <MrGrunz> it hasn't been done yet
[16:01:48] <maxx> "the japs"
[16:01:49] <maxx> lol
[16:01:55] <MrGrunz> so don't get your hopes up to early
[16:02:12] <MrGrunz> I keep either crashing
[16:02:21] <MrGrunz> or clipping in bounds on the wrong side
[16:02:25] <pokey> if not then intro, stick, escape, down zr, wess to kak(bye bye stick), bottle, dot skip, egg, lon lon, back to kak, finish
[16:02:29] <pokey> grunz check ur pm plz
[16:02:34] <zodiac> crash is weird
[16:02:37] <zodiac> the game crashes or emu?
[16:03:01] <maxx> i think he means link hits the dot
[16:03:04] <maxx> instead of landing inside it
[16:03:21] <zodiac> oh
[16:03:54] <zodiac> thatll save such an unbelievable amount of time
[16:04:22] <maxx> new rupee route: jump across squared, blue behind counter
[16:04:23] <maxx> lol
[16:04:27] <maxx> squares*
[16:04:38] <zodiac> lmao
[16:05:40] <qwerty1605> so close I almost had castle before night
[16:05:43] <qwerty1605> damn
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[16:06:37] <pokey> im gonna be sad if this is vc only
[16:06:44] <maxx> why would it be
[16:06:55] <pokey> n64 crashes where vc doesnt
[16:08:22] <MrGrunz> oh man
[16:08:26] <MrGrunz> why does it crash?
[16:08:40] <maxx> the game is crashing?
[16:08:52] <MrGrunz> no, link when he clips inside
[16:09:00] <Swordless> You mean he dies and respawns at the entrance?
[16:09:04] <MrGrunz> yeah
[16:09:09] <maxx> oh wow
[16:09:12] <Swordless> So it's like the Dampe thing
[16:09:23] <Swordless> Cause you're in a place you're not meant to be in
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[16:10:07] <Static> Actually, it's probably because you enter the door from beneath it
[16:10:24] <maxx> yeah that can happen with normal dot skip if you do it wrong
[16:10:27] <pokey> which frame does link clip oob
[16:10:35] <Swordless> Don't tell him, Grunz
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[16:10:45] <Swordless> He wants  to do it before you can and upload the video first
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[16:10:58] <MrGrunz> hmm
[16:11:03] <MrGrunz> now that I think about it
[16:11:13] <MrGrunz> we can clip the dot using the ESS position
[16:11:20] <MrGrunz> with every camera angle we feel like
[16:11:36] <MrGrunz> maybe this will do it
[16:11:43] <Static> roll ESS :D
[16:11:52] <pokey> not really Swordless
[16:11:58] <pokey> i dont even have anything to record this with
[16:12:04] <Swordless> Yeah okay pokey
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[16:12:07] <Swordless> We all know your MO
[16:12:14] <pokey> mo?
[16:12:28] <maxx> modus operandi
[16:12:28] <zodiac> modus operandi
[16:12:29] <maxx> donald
[16:12:38] <Swordless> Yeah seriously pokey get it together
[16:12:49] <pokey> k
[16:13:01] <Swordless> And stop trying to steal Grunz's payoff
[16:13:09] <MrGrunz> I FUCKING DIT IT
[16:13:10] <zodiac> poor grunz
[16:13:12] <zodiac> having his work stolen
[16:13:13] <Swordless> Yay!!!
[16:13:13] <zodiac> oh my giod
[16:13:13] <Static> :O
[16:13:15] <MrGrunz> BITCHES
[16:13:16] <qwerty1605> no way
[16:13:16] <MrGrunz> :D
[16:13:18] <Swordless> Nice one!!!
[16:13:18] <qwerty1605> :O
[16:13:19] <Static> WOOT!
[16:13:20] <zodiac> wheres the video
[16:13:22] <pokey> grunz with ess or what?
[16:13:23] <MrGrunz> MUHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:13:27] <Swordless> I want the m64 as well
[16:13:27] <MrGrunz> no, normal roll
[16:13:30] <maxx> holy shit
[16:13:32] <Static> sidehop?
[16:13:35] <MrGrunz> youtube video in a minute
[16:13:40] <Swordless> Not that I'll redo it but I wanna see the inputs
[16:13:40] <maxx> !!!!!!!!!
[16:13:42] <qwerty1605> o shit
[16:13:42] <maxx> this is crazy
[16:13:46] <pokey> grunz did you buffer it
[16:13:49] <qwerty1605> no more tektite hover
[16:13:49] <maxx> lol
[16:13:54] <Runnerguy2489> inb4 "TAS only"
[16:13:57] <MrGrunz> no, I TASed it
[16:13:59] <MrGrunz> of course :P
[16:14:03] <maxx> this is too important to be tas only
[16:14:04] <maxx> obv
[16:14:04] <pokey> grunz why do you do this
[16:14:05] <MrGrunz> yeah, it seems fucking hard^^
[16:14:11] <pokey> you do this so nobody else knows how to do it
[16:14:20] <pokey> and you will have no explanation in the description
[16:14:25] <maxx> console players will buffer it if they have to, it's way too important
[16:14:29] <Swordless> Oh god
[16:14:30] <Swordless> Please
[16:14:32] <Swordless> Please be TAS only
[16:14:36] <Swordless> That would be so sweet
[16:14:37] <maxx> haha
[16:14:43] <Swordless> Just thinking about it
[16:14:44] <qwerty1605> pokey will be under pressure to pull this off
[16:14:48] <Swordless> The gap between us would be huge
[16:14:55] <Runnerguy2489> Skip 100% of Kokiri Sword !!!! Awesomeness
[16:14:57] <Static> That'll mean you'd have to redo the TAS though?
[16:15:06] <Swordless> It won't affect the all temples TAS
[16:15:06] <qwerty1605> noboady tell zaccio
[16:15:12] <pokey> ^
[16:15:12] <Swordless> Other than saving like half a second at the DoT skip
[16:15:12] <maxx> lol
[16:15:20] <Static> oh yeah, my mistake
[16:15:21] <MrGrunz> this morning I was quite sad about the fact, that there are no breaks left to discover
[16:15:23] <MrGrunz> and now this
[16:15:25] <MrGrunz> :D
[16:15:30] <Enterim> the euro players sure are big on the unbelievable claims recently
[16:15:30] <maxx> so huge
[16:15:36] <Static> I still have a few things I need to try
[16:15:50] <Enterim> inb4 grunz finds la skip
[16:16:00] <zodiac> roll at ess angle to damage ganondorf
[16:16:06] <maxx> haha
[16:16:06] <DJS> wait, what is happening here
[16:16:07] <qwerty1605> inb4 la skip is discovered by bloob
[16:16:15] <maxx> DJS: dot skip no sword
[16:16:19] <Runnerguy2489> I'm not sure how this is really big
[16:16:21] <DJS> woah
[16:16:26] <pokey> rg
[16:16:27] <Runnerguy2489> what's it do
[16:16:30] <pokey> apparently diff any%
[16:16:30] <zodiac> means you don't have to go to pond
[16:16:32] <zodiac> in any%
[16:16:33] <pokey> no more tektite hover
[16:16:34] <Runnerguy2489> how
[16:16:40] <MrGrunz> epona stick B
[16:16:41] <maxx> that weirdass lonlon trick
[16:16:45] <Runnerguy2489> that involves...escaping
[16:16:47] <maxx> acryte discovered it i think?
[16:16:54] <zodiac> you can aquaescape with a deku stick
[16:16:56] <maxx> deku stick a
[16:16:57] <maxx> yeah
[16:16:59] <Runnerguy2489> no, escaping the ranch
[16:17:00] <maxx> what he said
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[16:17:05] <maxx> oh does it?
[16:17:07] <Runnerguy2489> yes
[16:17:07] <maxx> hahaha
[16:17:16] <zodiac> WELP
[16:17:19] <Runnerguy2489> idiots
[16:17:22] <pokey> ?
[16:17:25] <@ZFG> whats this?
[16:17:30] <pokey> zfg
[16:17:34] <pokey> new dot skip
[16:17:37] <Swordless> Dibs on the any% TAS improvement
[16:17:40] <qwerty1605> no sword
[16:17:45] <@ZFG> nice!!!
[16:17:52] <zodiac> even if you can't get stick b at lon lon
[16:17:52] <@ZFG> speaking of Swordless
[16:17:55] <zodiac> this still saves a ton of time
[16:17:59] <pokey> idk anything about this lon lon trick
[16:18:02] <@ZFG> ive been streaming and yiou're not watching =[
[16:18:03] <pokey> how zodiac
[16:18:09] <Swordless> WTF!!
[16:18:12] <zodiac> because you don't have to get kokiri sword
[16:18:14] <pokey> ...
[16:18:15] <MrGrunz> why do you have to escape, runnerguuy?
[16:18:26] <Swordless> God damn it, ZFG
[16:18:28] <pokey> wat if you save first
[16:18:30] <Swordless> I had no idea but I'm there now
[16:18:30] <Runnerguy2489> the trick requires it
[16:18:31] <MrGrunz> isn't it just riding epona?
[16:18:33] <pokey> without escaping
[16:18:36] <@ZFG> i even posted the link in here
[16:18:42] <zodiac> yeah i thought it was just riding epona too
[16:18:52] <Runnerguy2489> " and all we have to do is find an Epona Early with no Bombs and we have a faster any%"
[16:18:52] <@ZFG> so new any% route?
[16:18:53] <pokey> it would be GREAT if you could just save to get out
[16:19:08] <pokey> then 1.0 is the fastest version
[16:19:15] <DJS> and everyone will beast n64 then
[16:19:15] <DJS> <3
[16:19:16] <MrGrunz> this sounds like
[16:19:19] <maxx> hahaha
[16:19:22] <zodiac> 1.0 inject on VC becomes legal
[16:19:28] <MrGrunz> that that would have been one of the possible solutions
[16:19:28] <DJS> yeah inb4 that
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[16:19:40] <zodiac> grunz go test this
[16:19:41] <MrGrunz> maybe dot skip is the 2nd solution to get this trick done, runnerguy
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[16:19:48] <MrGrunz> probably only talking shit^^
[16:19:49] <Swordless> Show uus the trick before you do anything else
[16:19:54] <DJS> ^
[16:20:00] <Static> Is it possible as adult, Grunz?
[16:20:02] <Runnerguy2489> yeah everyone needs to calm their shit
[16:20:05] <Swordless> Or at least give me, Swordless, the m64
[16:20:06] <pokey> grunz what direction did you hold
[16:20:15] <pokey> during oob
[16:20:16] <MrGrunz> switched the directions
[16:20:22] <MrGrunz> but mostly
[16:20:26] <MrGrunz> up and a bit to the left
[16:20:33] <MrGrunz> that's what I did in the end
[16:21:25] <maxx> there is an oot 3d deku B trick that involved swordless child and ingo horses
[16:21:38] <maxx> i thought it was the same trick as in regular oot
[16:21:42] <qwerty1605> item drop in low%
[16:21:45] <maxx> maybe not tho
[16:21:54] <Runnerguy2489> idk maxx
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[16:22:05] <Runnerguy2489> I know the acryte trick with stick on B would require stealing epona
[16:22:11] <Runnerguy2489> there may be some other way
[16:22:26] <DJS> lemme see this trick so i can do any% jp n64 1.0 wr
[16:22:31] <DJS> HEH
[16:22:33] <maxx> i guess we will test it soon
[16:22:38] <Swordless> WHERE IS THE VIDEO
[16:22:53] <pokey> im having to buffer dot skip for the first tie
[16:22:55] <pokey> time
[16:22:57] <pokey> idk what im doing
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[16:23:50] <Kyoki> noob
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[16:24:17] <Swordless> Okay guys, Grunz is trolling us
[16:24:20] <Swordless> He's found nothing at all
[16:24:28] <MrGrunz> video recorded
[16:24:30] <Swordless> Otherwise we'd be seeing proof
[16:24:31] <qwerty1605> wat
[16:24:31] <MrGrunz> encoding right now
[16:24:40] <Goldenboy> what is this?
[16:24:41] <MrGrunz> shut up swordless
[16:24:49] <pokey> gb Swordless dot skip
[16:24:49] <qwerty1605> swordless DoT skip
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[16:25:04] <Goldenboy> wtf
[16:25:05] <Swordless> XD your trick literally has my name in it
[16:25:07] <Goldenboy> awesome
[16:25:10] <Swordless> Everyone will think I found it
[16:25:10] <maxx> Swordless has a new trick named after him
[16:25:13] <pokey> GRUNZ WHAT FRAME DO I HOLD Z ON
[16:25:14] <pokey> ADFADFJ
[16:25:19] <Runnerguy2489> 'Get swordless. I suggest we use the "Get Swordless while stealing epona" glitch we were using before'
[16:25:25] <Runnerguy2489> wtf is acryte talking about here?
[16:25:33] <maxx> no idea man
[16:25:39] <MrGrunz> frame? no idea
[16:25:49] <MrGrunz> I use the numbers mupen tells me why TASing
[16:25:55] <MrGrunz> and not what I see
[16:26:04] <Swordless> Give me the m64!!!
[16:26:11] <pokey> what frame is "1st frame oob"
[16:26:13] <MrGrunz> chill
[16:26:20] <maxx> damn pokey calm down
[16:26:23] <MrGrunz> no idea, I press Z
[16:26:25] <maxx> w8 4 vid
[16:26:28] <MrGrunz> the first frame possible
[16:26:32] <pokey> maxx
[16:26:37] <MrGrunz> I mean
[16:26:39] <pokey> the vid is going to help me none
[16:26:40] <pokey> he tased it
[16:26:41] <MrGrunz> there's only one frame
[16:26:49] <Goldenboy> what would a swordless dot skip do?
[16:26:50] <MrGrunz> that allows you to target the DoT from the OoB
[16:26:50] <maxx> if the vid helps you none then you're an idiot
[16:26:52] <Static> Possible as adult Link?
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[16:26:59] <pokey> he probably did a ton of unneccessary angle changing and button spamming
[16:27:04] <maxx> hahaha
[16:27:10] <MrGrunz> I even used my shield
[16:27:11] <qwerty1605> lmao
[16:27:15] <MrGrunz> no idea if it is requiered
[16:27:22] <Goldenboy> hahaha
[16:27:25] <maxx> fuckin LOL if shield is required
[16:27:26] <MrGrunz> I doubt it, though
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[16:27:42] <Runnerguy2489> after uploading vid can you try again w/o it
[16:27:46] <MrGrunz> yeah
[16:27:52] <Goldenboy> gruntz, TAS only?
[16:28:00] <pokey> >_>
[16:28:00] <Swordless> We're hoping so
[16:28:00] <maxx> so far it is
[16:28:01] <MrGrunz> don't think so
[16:28:04] <maxx> nobody else has done it
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[16:28:28] <MrGrunz> I always said that ´certain tricks were TAS only
[16:28:31] <pokey> grunz what direction during sidehop
[16:28:33] <MrGrunz> and pokey always did them
[16:28:40] <MrGrunz> this time I say it is possible on console
[16:28:46] <maxx> haha
[16:28:48] <MrGrunz> I bet it won't be possible in the end
[16:28:53] <qwerty1605> pokey do Sahdow BK skip gogogo
[16:29:00] <MrGrunz> ok
[16:29:03] <MrGrunz> shadow BK skip
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[16:29:08] <MrGrunz> is fucking impossible on console
[16:29:12] <maxx> shadow bk skip is pretty far beyond every other trick in oot
[16:29:13] <pokey> no
[16:29:15] <pokey> jiano has done it
[16:29:21] <qwerty1605> lmao
[16:29:23] <MrGrunz> not with 21 explosives
[16:29:27] <pokey> k
[16:29:34] <stonenot> someone inform me on the new dot skip
[16:29:40] <stonenot> maybe i can actually do this one
[16:29:42] <Static> vid soon
[16:30:03] <qwerty1605> next time searching for a new trick I will ask What Would Grunz DO
[16:30:13] <pokey> grunz what direction during sidehop >_>
[16:30:28] <MrGrunz> eh, that's kind of important
[16:30:29] <Kyoki> Pokey, just wait for the video
[16:30:33] <Kyoki> >_>
[16:30:44] <MrGrunz> because if you hold backwards, link will be very fast after clipping OoB
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[16:30:48] <MrGrunz> you have to hold forward
[16:30:50] <pokey> Kyoki all of grunz's previous tricks didnt explain how to do it
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[16:30:54] <MrGrunz> to decrease the speed
[16:31:10] <pokey> kthx
[16:31:14] <Swordless> The text to video ratio is disturbingly high
[16:31:24] <Goldenboy> grunz, is it the same clip as the regular dot?
[16:31:26] <MrGrunz> I'll try to give a good explanation in the video discription
[16:31:29] <MrGrunz> yeah
[16:31:34] <Swordless> Oh for god's sake
[16:31:39] <Swordless> That's an extra 10 minutes we'll have to wait
[16:31:57] <Enterim> The text to video ration is disturbingly infinite
[16:31:59] <Runnerguy2489> nah, you can type your description as the vid is uploading
[16:32:01] <Enterim> *ratio
[16:32:04] <MrGrunz> no, explanation will be added afterwards
[16:32:12] <pokey> -_-
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[16:32:22] <Swordless> Okay, good
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[16:32:34] <qwerty1605> hi GAS
[16:32:38] <GlitchesAndStuff> hi
[16:33:00] <MrGrunz> uploading
[16:33:01] <MrGrunz> to youtube
[16:33:22] <Swordless> This has got to be the longest few minutes of my life
[16:33:27] <pokey> lol
[16:33:28] <pokey> i got in the door
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[16:33:43] <GlitchesAndStuff> what are you uploading grunz? :)
[16:33:44] <qwerty1605> wat?
[16:33:50] <qwerty1605> DoT skipswordless
[16:33:53] <MrGrunz> dot skip without sword
[16:33:54] <Goldenboy> Swordless Dot Skip
[16:33:57] <GlitchesAndStuff> uhhhh
[16:33:59] <pokey> kk i should get it soon
[16:33:59] <GlitchesAndStuff> wow
[16:34:10] <GlitchesAndStuff> who found?
[16:34:13] <pokey> i found out wat i was doing wrong
[16:34:20] <pokey> grunz
[16:34:31] <GlitchesAndStuff> well done grunz
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[16:34:52] <GlitchesAndStuff> lots of cool finds recently
[16:35:34] <qwerty1605> enterim your puzzle challenge is so broken now
[16:36:00] <Enterim> My puzzle race would be more fun now that 3/0 is feasible
[16:36:09] <maxx> lol
[16:36:12] <Enterim> technically pokey proved it was possible with deku stick on C cucco jump, but that route was still longer than 4/1 I think
[16:36:12] <Goldenboy> enterim, it is?
[16:36:13] <pokey> it has been for like 2 months
[16:36:24] <MrGrunz> there you go
[16:36:25] <MrGrunz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJRqrgt8ag
[16:36:27] <CrazySnailsman> [YouTube] "Door of Time Skip Without Kokiri Sword!" --- 186,957 views uploaded 24 Oct 2011 by MrGrunz ---
[16:36:42] <pokey> i posted a comment
[16:36:43] <qwerty1605> unavailable =(
[16:36:44] <MrGrunz> 186k views xD
[16:36:45] <GlitchesAndStuff> gonna go ahead and already rate it before processed
[16:36:48] <pokey> 186k views
[16:36:48] <pokey> nice 1
[16:36:51] <Link97> vid still processing
[16:36:55] <Kyoki> being processed
[16:36:56] <Enterim> lolwat
[16:36:57] <Link97> !!
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[16:36:59] <Kyoki> you troll
[16:37:14] <maxx> pokey is a jerk
[16:37:16] <pokey> =[
[16:37:22] <Swordless> Yeah Grunz is trolling
[16:37:23] <Swordless> Confirmed now
[16:37:23] <maxx> vid working now
[16:37:24] <Enterim> can I like double subscribe
[16:37:26] <pokey> its workin
[16:37:29] <maxx> wtflol
[16:37:35] <Goldenboy> wtf grunz
[16:37:37] <maxx> what a weirdass tech
[16:37:37] <Runnerguy2489> wow
[16:37:39] <Goldenboy> thats wicked crazy
[16:37:50] <Kyoki> holy shit what
[16:37:52] <Swordless> Holy shit, nice one Grunz
[16:37:56] <GlitchesAndStuff> whaat
[16:38:00] <MrGrunz> thanks :)
[16:38:01] <GlitchesAndStuff> that's crazy
[16:38:03] <Enterim> that's some sm64 style edging there
[16:38:07] <Enterim> very nice
[16:38:37] <Goldenboy> it would suck if the shield is required
[16:38:38] <MrGrunz> lemme test without shield now
[16:38:40] <@Cosmo> is shield required
[16:38:41] <@Cosmo> ok
[16:38:45] <Enterim> this video is about 1:11 longer than it needs to be
[16:38:51] <GlitchesAndStuff> hmm
[16:38:56] <Static> Angle change also optional?
[16:39:02] <GlitchesAndStuff> how would shield effect it?
[16:39:07] <GlitchesAndStuff> I'm confused
[16:39:10] <Swordless> Yeah I don't see how it would change anything
[16:39:10] <MrGrunz> yeah, the first camera angle change
[16:39:13] <MrGrunz> was just for fun
[16:39:20] <maxx> lol
[16:39:29] <Swordless> The roll isn't required, right? I mean, it should be logically
[16:39:38] <Swordless> *shouldn't be
[16:39:42] <sockfolder> what is this
[16:39:44] <pokey> [16:39:12] <MrGrunz> yeah, the first camera angle change
[16:39:45] <pokey> [16:39:15] <MrGrunz> was just for fun
[16:39:45] <MrGrunz> yeah, it isn't
[16:39:47] <sockfolder> omg
[16:39:51] <pokey> this is why i want a detailed descrption
[16:39:54] <pokey> description
[16:40:00] <GlitchesAndStuff> 10 rupees
[16:40:02] <maxx> Detailed explanation will be added in a short while.
[16:40:03] <Goldenboy> grunz, so basically its a sidehop and hold z?
[16:40:12] <GlitchesAndStuff> you can buy yourself a nice heart once you leave
[16:40:13] <GlitchesAndStuff> as a reward
[16:40:15] <MrGrunz> I press Z at a certain frame
[16:40:19] <@ZFG> why is the video a minute longer than it should be
[16:40:19] <MrGrunz> after clipping OoB
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[16:40:27] <Goldenboy> oh
[16:40:31] <MrGrunz> recorded too long
[16:40:35] <pokey> i got in the door again
[16:40:38] <MrGrunz> other than that
[16:40:48] <MrGrunz> everybody loves ganondorf
[16:40:48] <@ZFG> you wasted a minute getting this up!
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[16:41:03] <CHC> Great find Grunz
[16:41:03] <Static> This doesn't look too hard
[16:41:04] <GlitchesAndStuff> so
[16:41:12] <Goldenboy> question, does aquaescape need the sword
[16:41:13] <CHC> How do you do it? XD
[16:41:17] <Goldenboy> or can you do it with a deku stick
[16:41:19] <CHC> Aquascape can be done with stick
[16:41:23] <GlitchesAndStuff> is it just get the angle and then hold forwards
[16:41:32] <MrGrunz> going to write an explanation soon
[16:41:35] <Static> Z on first frame oob
[16:41:50] <sockfolder> damn nice idea
[16:41:59] <sockfolder> so this is like that water temple key trick too
[16:42:03] <CHC> Easier or harder than with sword?
[16:42:03] <GlitchesAndStuff> i'm gonna try this on console in a sec
[16:42:27] <pokey> i keep getting stuck in the door
[16:42:46] <MrGrunz> much much much much harder, chc
[16:42:55] <GlitchesAndStuff> 130 views
[16:43:01] <CHC> lol already?
[16:43:11] <CHC> Pause buffered is it easy?
[16:43:18] <MrGrunz> no idea
[16:43:19] <pokey> chc thats what im trying
[16:43:31] <CHC> It might help in bingo.
[16:43:32] <pokey> im getting in the door consistently
[16:43:37] <MrGrunz> pokey
[16:43:40] <CHC> Add a new square "never obtain Kokiri Sword"
[16:43:41] <MrGrunz> I'll explain it
[16:43:47] <maxx> pokey is hilarious
[16:43:49] <qwerty1605> is it the same angle?
[16:43:53] <MrGrunz> using the camera position of link in the video
[16:43:59] <maxx> literally could not even wait for the video before he started trying it
[16:44:02] <maxx> haha
[16:44:05] <pokey> maxx
[16:44:08] <MrGrunz> holding up in my video is holding left for you then
[16:44:09] <pokey> i was trying it before grunz got it
[16:44:15] <maxx> haha
[16:44:48] <pokey> hold left during the sidehop?
[16:44:53] <GlitchesAndStuff> confirmed for 3DS?
[16:44:57] <pokey> <_<
[16:44:58] <pokey> no
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[16:45:21] <GlitchesAndStuff> I always get that on my videos
[16:45:22] <GlitchesAndStuff> :)
[16:45:52] <MrGrunz> ok
[16:45:58] <MrGrunz> it doesn't seem to be too hard
[16:46:18] <CHC> So swordless dot is easier than you said? XD
[16:46:25] <MrGrunz> poke
[16:46:27] <MrGrunz> y
[16:46:28] <pokey> grunz >___>
[16:46:29] <MrGrunz> it's very easy
[16:46:33] <pokey> left during sidehop
[16:46:34] <pokey> or what
[16:46:35] <MrGrunz> only 3 steps
[16:46:53] <Kyoki> don't tell him them
[16:46:56] <Kyoki> it'll be funny
[16:47:05] <CHC> I want to know them D:
[16:47:19] <MrGrunz> you sidehop, during sidehop let go off Z, hold forward to decrease speed, Z-target at a certain frame and at this certain frame
[16:47:41] <@Cosmo> by hold forward ar eyou talking about your awful camera
[16:47:43] <@Cosmo> or a normal camera
[16:47:43] <@Cosmo> lol
[16:47:46] <MrGrunz> you hold left
[16:47:48] <Sam> lol
[16:47:49] <MrGrunz> for 15 frames
[16:48:01] <MrGrunz> and then you start holding up+left
[16:48:07] <Sam> input or visual?
[16:48:08] <MrGrunz> just a little bit to the left
[16:48:16] <MrGrunz> normal camera
[16:48:20] <MrGrunz> this is all normal camera
[16:48:23] <pokey> sam: he means input
[16:48:27] <Sam> ok
[16:48:35] <maxx> sidehop without Z, hold forward, rehold Z at a certain time and hold left
[16:48:39] <maxx> then hold upleft
[16:48:40] <MrGrunz> normal camera is what a normal player would see
[16:48:43] <maxx> after X frames
[16:48:46] <MrGrunz> yeah
[16:48:54] <MrGrunz> and it works without a shield
[16:48:56] <maxx> sounds reasonable
[16:49:18] <sockfolder> hope this doesn't break your puzzle maxx
[16:49:21] <zodiac> is the angle any different
[16:49:23] <zodiac> from regular dot skip?
[16:49:29] <MrGrunz> no
[16:49:31] <MrGrunz> the same
[16:49:46] <maxx> sockfolder: we'll see
[16:49:48] <Runnerguy2489> fucking oot is the greatest game in the world
[16:49:51] <maxx> i may have to double check some things?
[16:49:54] <pokey> false
[16:49:55] <maxx> unsure
[16:50:41] <pokey> im not even getting in the door anymore >_>
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[16:51:31] <qwerty1605> grunz does it matter when you release Z
[16:51:39] <MrGrunz> no
[16:51:58] <qwerty1605> How many visual frames is 15 input frames
[16:52:04] <@Cosmo> sideroll, sidehop, release Z, hold forward, press Z, hold left, hold upleft
[16:52:06] <@Cosmo> is that right
[16:52:54] <sockfolder> divide by 3
[16:52:56] <pokey> whered the hold left come in at
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[16:53:34] <pokey> cosmo which frame is "1st frame oob"
[16:53:51] <sockfolder> so I guess this changes the any% route?
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[16:53:55] <MrGrunz> yeah, cosmo
[16:53:56] <pokey> ya
[16:53:58] <sockfolder> maybe someone needs to speedrun it again
[16:54:11] <pokey> >implying nobody does
[16:54:11] <CHC> we need a new tas any% :P
[16:54:29] <Goldenboy> how does it change the any%
[16:54:43] <maxx> faster kokiri forest if nothing else i guess, lol
[16:54:52] <pokey> wat about pond skip
[16:54:53] <maxx> possibly new stick B without pond
[16:54:54] <CHC> grab 5r from steps
[16:54:56] <CHC> blocks*
[16:54:57] <maxx> needs to be tested
[16:55:00] <sockfolder> oh
[16:55:02] <CHC> 5r in shop
[16:55:04] <CHC> stick
[16:55:06] <CHC> aquascape
[16:55:06] <sockfolder> so what is the weird thing that happens
[16:55:08] <CHC> That's how
[16:55:09] <sockfolder> when you turn adult
[16:55:25] <pokey> u divide by 0
[16:55:40] <sockfolder> ...
[16:55:42] <Runnerguy2489> sockfolder: idk if you can make sense of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z9eQZczF_0
[16:55:44] <CrazySnailsman> [YouTube] "Acryte - Dont Steal Epona Glitch + Deku Stick B" --- 1,149 views uploaded 26 Jun 2009 by Acryte ---
[16:55:59] <Runnerguy2489> but for some reason whatever he was doing didn't work if you had kokiri sword
[16:56:13] <maxx> also this is worth noting
[16:56:13] <maxx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zcn0sQWbFs
[16:56:14] <CrazySnailsman> [YouTube] "Ocarina of Time 3D Glitch: Lon Lon Stick" --- 2,156 views uploaded 29 Jun 2011 by CloudMNintendo ---
[16:56:41] <maxx> i THOUGHT a similar thing worked on n64 oot but never tested and don't remember for sure
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[16:57:52] <keeta> nice job grunz
[16:57:55] <keeta> :)
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[16:58:23] <zodiac> so has anyone done the dot skip on console yet
[16:58:33] <pokey> what frame do i hold z on <___<
[16:58:36] <@Cosmo> im trying but i dont understand it lol
[16:58:39] <@Cosmo> once i got crushed
[16:58:40] <@Cosmo> thats all i got
[16:58:47] <sockfolder> oh dang
[16:58:49] <qwerty1605> I'm trying
[16:58:50] <pokey> ive gotten crushed 4 times
[16:58:51] <sockfolder> I have to align without sword
[16:58:59] <qwerty1605> I've never been crushed
[16:58:59] <CHC> I only just left forest :/
[16:59:12] <Runnerguy2489> I guess I'll go turn on my game and try
[16:59:16] <zodiac> sock - practice it while you have sword?
[16:59:17] <qwerty1605> use the R in return Sock
[16:59:39] <MrGrunz> thanks keeta
[16:59:45] <MrGrunz> pokeyx
[16:59:45] <keeta> <runnerguy2489> you guys fucking suck, i got this trick in 4 tries
[16:59:58] <MrGrunz> there are like 5 frames you could theoretically press Z on
[17:00:07] <MrGrunz> just test all those 5 video buffering
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[17:00:12] <MrGrunz> and you'll find the right one
[17:00:14] <MrGrunz> ;)
[17:00:20] <sockfolder> lol
[17:00:22] <keeta> /bj
[17:00:25] <sockfolder> I can get the angle without the sword
[17:00:27] <CHC> lovely
[17:00:28] <sockfolder> I was just joking
[17:00:33] <qwerty1605> .zaccio
[17:00:41] <pokey> grunz
[17:00:43] <zodiac> i cant get angle without sword :(
[17:00:52] <pokey> sometimes this one frame works and i z target the door
[17:00:54] <pokey> but its random
[17:01:01] <CHC> Cosmo is "Never Obtain Kokiri Sword" going to be added to bingo?
[17:01:01] <@maxx> oh lol
[17:01:13] <@maxx> how will i line up the angle
[17:01:16] <@maxx> haha
[17:01:20] <CHC> use B
[17:01:24] <CHC> the circle
[17:01:34] <pokey> ugh
[17:01:34] <qwerty1605> user R in return if you are on english
[17:01:36] <pokey> almost got it
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[17:01:42] <qwerty1605> hi mp16
[17:01:51] <CHC> so hold left
[17:02:03] <CHC> sidehop
[17:02:05] <Mp16> hey there
[17:02:14] <Mp16> DoT skip w/o sword?!?!?!!
[17:02:15] <CHC> let go of Z then Z+Left then upleft?
[17:02:17] <@Cosmo> i thought you were supposed to hold up
[17:02:19] <sockfolder> woah
[17:02:27] <CHC> I'm so confused x.x
[17:02:27] <sockfolder> I just had the craziest thing happen
[17:02:34] <sockfolder> I dunno even what it was
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[17:02:41] <sockfolder> it was like I just walked through the door
[17:02:43] <CHC> failed
[17:02:45] <CHC> D:
[17:02:54] <sockfolder> like I was facing straight left
[17:02:56] <sockfolder> when I went through
[17:02:58] <MrGrunz> I added an explanation in the description
[17:03:12] <@maxx> hi Mp16
[17:03:16] <pokey> grunz this is literally random
[17:03:16] <@maxx> it is the new hotness
[17:03:21] <pokey> im doing the same alignment and frame every time
[17:03:24] <Mp16> hey maxx
[17:03:26] <pokey> and half the time it works
[17:03:33] <Mp16> this is amazing
[17:03:41] <sockfolder> you've gotten through?
[17:03:44] <@maxx> sockfolder: what happened
[17:03:51] <@maxx> you walked through the dot?
[17:03:52] <@maxx> lol
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[17:04:07] <sockfolder> that is what it looked like
[17:04:11] <sockfolder> visually
[17:04:16] <qwerty1605> I was just crushed
[17:04:30] <MrGrunz> pokey
[17:04:31] <Mp16> so in order to skip sword, which escape do we use?
[17:04:34] <Runnerguy2489> I can't even buffer oot anymore
[17:04:36] <MrGrunz> I think I know what causes this
[17:04:38] <Runnerguy2489> too used to mm lol
[17:04:39] <qwerty1605> aqua
[17:04:39] <Mp16> deku nuts? lol
[17:04:41] <pokey> grunz i thought you were supposed to hold up
[17:04:45] <Mp16> aqua?
[17:04:45] <@maxx> aqua, deku nuts
[17:04:48] <Mp16> ?
[17:04:53] <@maxx> hover with stick isg
[17:04:54] <Mp16> ok then
[17:04:58] <CHC> aqua with stick :P
[17:04:58] <@maxx> wess with stick
[17:04:59] <Mp16> oh stick lol
[17:05:03] <MrGrunz> I explained the stuff
[17:05:10] <Mp16> duh sorry I just woke up
[17:05:11] <MrGrunz> using the common camera angles of dot skip
[17:05:13] <Mp16> from physics class
[17:05:16] <CHC> still hard as balls to understand for me :/
[17:05:25] <MrGrunz> not using the camera angles of my video
[17:05:31] <zodiac> fuck learning this any% is lame anyway
[17:05:32] <zodiac> lol
[17:05:40] <CHC> which frame is first frame oob? WHen link is partially in wall or completely clipped?
[17:05:40] <sockfolder> I just did it again maxx
[17:05:42] <@Cosmo> i dont think this help any% at all
[17:05:47] <@Cosmo> who knows tho
[17:05:49] <sockfolder> walk through the dot lol
[17:05:50] <MrGrunz> I don't know
[17:05:53] <pokey> MrGrunz
[17:05:55] <MrGrunz> I'll upload a picture
[17:05:56] <@maxx> sockfolder: are you recording?
[17:05:57] <pokey> you said during the sidehop
[17:05:58] <@maxx> wtflol
[17:05:59] <pokey> hold up
[17:06:01] <@Cosmo> u get all the way thru sock?
[17:06:04] <sockfolder> lol
[17:06:08] <sockfolder> yeah it is weird looking
[17:06:11] <sockfolder> I am streaming
[17:06:19] <Mp16> what are the side effects of never equipping a sword and becoming adult?
[17:06:24] <@Cosmo> sockfolder to the rescue
[17:06:27] <MrGrunz> what is sockfolder doing?
[17:06:50] <MrGrunz> someone link me :o
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[17:06:55] <sockfolder> I never said it was useful lol
[17:06:55] <MrGrunz> walking through dot? wat?
[17:06:58] <Runnerguy2489> http://www.twitch.tv/sockfolder
[17:07:04] <Runnerguy2489> everyone go there
[17:07:05] <keeta> does it need shield
[17:07:10] <@maxx> no
[17:07:11] <CHC> keeta no
[17:07:16] <pokey> MrGrunz you are ignoring me
[17:07:19] <MrGrunz> no, no shield
[17:07:24] <pokey> you said you are supposed to hold up during sidehop
[17:07:29] <keeta> imo just start a race
[17:07:30] <pokey> but on the yt vid you said nothing aboutt his
[17:07:32] <MrGrunz> uh yeah
[17:07:34] <keeta> first to get the trick
[17:07:36] <MrGrunz> forgot to put that in
[17:07:48] <jessyrabbit> nice new trick
[17:08:30] <MrGrunz> my mistake, pokey
[17:08:31] <MrGrunz> sry
[17:08:43] <hambubger> nice find grunz
[17:09:00] <hambubger> way to stick it to the splicing cheater, linuzdk/mysticalace/zaccio
[17:09:11] <zodiac> so is anyone through yet?
[17:09:17] <zodiac> if you get through plz test lon lon stick b asap
[17:09:18] <Mp16> is sockfolder trying to walk through the DoT
[17:09:19] <Mp16> ?
[17:09:41] <zodiac> lmao sock wtf
[17:09:42] <Sam> woah
[17:09:52] <GlitchesAndStuff> does this work by Aligning link with the DoT
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[17:10:19] <MrGrunz> damn, I missed it
[17:10:28] <MrGrunz> what is sock doing?
[17:10:33] <cafde> uh we've been able to go adult without sword for a long time by doing child dungeons with sticks
[17:10:40] <sockfolder> it isn't as interesting as people think imo
[17:10:42] <sockfolder> just looks weird
[17:10:45] <cafde> what would be new as adult
[17:10:52] <@maxx> cafde: we just haven't tested it all iirc
[17:10:57] <CHC> damnit fell
[17:11:00] <@Cosmo> sock walked through the DoT lol
[17:11:01] <keeta> which escape method would be used
[17:11:10] <zodiac> aquaescape
[17:11:24] <Mp16> lol I asked that too don't worry
[17:11:43] <keeta> would that be faster than no isg megaflip
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[17:12:19] <MrGrunz> skipping the shield is way quicker
[17:12:25] <Mp16> oh yeah
[17:12:27] <keeta> ok
[17:12:32] <MrGrunz> a TAS would skip both shield and sword now
[17:12:33] <CHC> This is hard :/
[17:12:36] <Mp16> Kazooie, DoT skip w/o sword or shield
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[17:12:54] <Kazooie> I saw that
[17:12:59] <Kazooie> this is so fucking awesome!
[17:13:03] <@maxx> :)
[17:13:04] <pokey> grunz
[17:13:04] <Runnerguy2489> you think it was just a coincidence that kazooie and librari show up mp16? :p
[17:13:05] <Kazooie> what is current route as achild?
[17:13:10] <pokey> do you mean 15 input or output
[17:13:15] <Mp16> lol
[17:13:19] <Mp16> coincidence with me
[17:13:22] <pokey> input of visual
[17:13:29] <Kazooie> lol
[17:13:30] <Mp16> well, my OoT sense were tingling actually
[17:13:36] <MrGrunz> 15 frames
[17:13:42] <@maxx> 15 visual frames is like an entire second pokey
[17:13:43] <MrGrunz> a second has 6
[17:13:44] <pokey> ...input or visual
[17:13:46] <MrGrunz> eh
[17:13:46] <MrGrunz> 60
[17:13:48] <Kazooie> does child only get bottle from kakariko
[17:13:50] <MrGrunz> so 5 visual
[17:13:53] <pokey> ok
[17:14:07] <@maxx> Kazooie: we are trying to figure it out
[17:14:12] <GlitchesAndStuff> I'm finding this sidehop easier without buffer :S
[17:14:14] <pokey> i had targetted the dor
[17:14:15] <pokey> dot
[17:14:17] <sockfolder> lol it keeps pushing me out
[17:14:19] <pokey> did 5 visual
[17:14:22] <zodiac> sock
[17:14:24] <zodiac> try rolling?
[17:14:25] <pokey> and it still crushed me
[17:14:27] <Kazooie> somebody need to do pause buffer method for this
[17:14:30] <@maxx> Kazooie: do you remember a trick to get deku stick B from lon lon ranch by skipping kokiri sword?
[17:14:31] <zodiac> or pivoting and sidehopping
[17:14:43] <Kazooie> yeah somehow
[17:14:51] <Kazooie> you need to pay ingo for ride
[17:14:54] <Kazooie> I think
[17:14:58] <@maxx> that's what i thought
[17:15:03] <@maxx> we need to test that to make sure
[17:15:07] <@maxx> if so we skip bean and fishing
[17:15:09] <keeta> mp do you have a stream recording of 20 jiggies
[17:15:14] <MrGrunz> oh, I know what sock is doing
[17:15:14] <Mp16> lol
[17:15:15] <Mp16> yeah
[17:15:17] <Mp16> I should
[17:15:17] <MrGrunz> tried that as well
[17:15:18] <Kazooie> can't remember do you need to race with him
[17:15:19] <Mp16> lemme check
[17:15:23] <keeta> if bk racing becomes popular ill def race it again
[17:15:29] <@maxx> i don't remember Kazooie
[17:15:32] <MrGrunz> he targets the dot using a different angle, right?
[17:15:33] <Mp16> yeah watch my stream yesterday
[17:15:35] <Mp16> I streamed all day
[17:15:38] <pokey> ...once again i did what the directions said and it didnt work
[17:15:42] <keeta> i mean do you have the 12 min run
[17:15:49] <Mp16> I'll find my 12:29
[17:15:55] <keeta> ok
[17:15:59] <Kazooie> is this trick possible in console?
[17:16:01] <sockfolder> huh?
[17:16:04] <zodiac> pokey have you made it through at all yet?
[17:16:06] <sockfolder> grunz all I'm doing
[17:16:11] <pokey> yes
[17:16:14] <pokey> ive gotten crushed
[17:16:20] <qwerty1605> same
[17:16:22] <sockfolder> is the normal sidehop stuff, but I release z on the frame I do downleft a
[17:16:25] <Kazooie> lol
[17:16:33] <MrGrunz> pokey
[17:16:37] <pokey> these directions are bullocks
[17:16:43] <MrGrunz> lemme TAS with the common camera angle
[17:16:48] <MrGrunz> maybe I can come up with a pro way
[17:17:11] <zodiac> sock what happens if you roll
[17:17:14] <zodiac> when you clip in?
[17:17:38] <Kazooie> if i ermember correctly you need to race with ingo and lose to get deku sticks to B
[17:17:48] <Kazooie> cannot remember for sur
[17:17:50] <Kazooie> sure
[17:17:57] <Kazooie> remember*
[17:18:07] <@Cosmo> i think you just ride the horse
[17:18:10] <@Cosmo> but not do a race
[17:18:14] <Kazooie> maybe that is
[17:18:17] <Kazooie> I can't remember
[17:18:24] <sockfolder> I can't roll
[17:18:31] <+aleckermit> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:18:38] <pokey> once again i z targetted the door
[17:18:40] <pokey> did 5 frames
[17:18:40] <jessyrabbit> i got some al zimas
[17:18:41] <pokey> got crushed
[17:18:42] <+aleckermit> I'm playing MQ on an N64 right now lolol
[17:18:45] <+aleckermit> So fucking cool
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[17:18:53] <+aleckermit> Streaming soon
[17:18:53] <sockfolder> how do I do this z target
[17:18:55] <@Cosmo> howd you manage that
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[17:19:06] <+aleckermit> flash cart cosmo
[17:19:12] <@Cosmo> cool
[17:19:21] <+aleckermit> Gimme a second to setup up stream
[17:19:25] <pokey> guys i think i figured out something
[17:19:32] <pokey> you cant start holding foward until the end
[17:19:58] <sockfolder> oh?
[17:20:08] <pokey> mayeb not
[17:20:13] <pokey> i did it twice on the same frame
[17:20:16] <pokey> just tried it again
[17:20:17] <pokey> didnt work
[17:20:21] <pokey> on the exact fucking frame
[17:20:23] <sockfolder> which frame is it
[17:20:27] <sockfolder> visually
[17:20:29] <pokey> he's going down
[17:20:36] <sockfolder> already clipped?
[17:20:39] <pokey> no
[17:20:42] <sockfolder> ?
[17:20:49] <pokey> going down on the sidehop
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[17:20:51] <GlitchesAndStuff> is grunz TASing this from normal camera?
[17:20:56] <sockfolder> first frame?
[17:21:02] <pokey> i think
[17:21:05] <pokey> its random
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[17:21:29] <@maxx> are you sure that your angle wasn't slightly different each time pokey
[17:21:43] <@maxx> or that your sidehop started on a different frame, or your sideroll at a slightly different angle, etc.
[17:21:59] <GlitchesAndStuff> had no idea you could even Ztarget that side
[17:22:13] <GlitchesAndStuff> but I guess because it sends all movement forwards like gainer is how it works?
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[17:22:31] <+aleckermit> I also think Petrie's hack will run on N64 too
[17:22:34] <+aleckermit> :)
[17:23:03] <+aleckermit> And of course the GCN roms
[17:23:08] <+aleckermit> MM, OoT
[17:23:08] <keeta> it has a long way to go though
[17:23:17] <keeta> are you sure it would work on n64
[17:23:23] <CHC> What? GC roms on N64?
[17:23:25] <keeta> if it requires 8mb memory size
[17:23:27] <Mp16> I wish I was home to mess around with this
[17:23:34] <Mp16> after my test tonight, I will
[17:23:41] <Mp16> and keeta, the video is processing
[17:23:44] <Kazooie> can you play own oot hacks on that flash card?
[17:23:45] <@maxx> i am at home
[17:23:51] <@maxx> and my wii is like 3 feet away
[17:23:52] <keeta> ok mp
[17:23:56] <@maxx> and i can't play :(
[17:24:02] <keeta> i can play
[17:24:03] <Elminster> WHAT THE FUCK
[17:24:06] <keeta> i just dont want to
[17:24:11] <Elminster> WHAT
[17:24:11] <Elminster> THE
[17:24:12] <Elminster> FUCK
[17:24:17] <GlitchesAndStuff> ?
[17:24:17] <Kazooie> ??
[17:24:19] <Mp16> Elm's mad?
[17:24:22] <pokey> fuck this trickl
[17:24:24] <Elminster> i just saw the dot skip
[17:24:28] <Jani64> What the actual fuck
[17:24:30] <qwerty1605> lmao
[17:24:31] <pokey> the devil i knew before was better than this devil
[17:24:32] <GlitchesAndStuff> oh
[17:24:33] <Elminster> what have you done to my game
[17:24:34] <pokey> fucking grunz
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[17:24:36] <Mp16> lol
[17:24:41] <MrGrunz> :)
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[17:24:48] <Mp16> wait why is this glitch difficult on console?
[17:24:54] <Mp16> with pause buffering it looks fine
[17:24:57] <Jani64> I'm trying to run the MQ Debug ROM on the gamecube. I've made all the arrangements. Except for the most important part; getting it burned to a GC disc. :(
[17:24:58] <Mp16> but I haven't tried it so idk
[17:25:01] <CHC> because input frames are hard on console.
[17:25:02] <@Cosmo> nobody knows the frames yet
[17:25:03] <zodiac> cuz grunz tased it at a dumb angle and we don't know how to do it
[17:25:03] <@maxx> because nobody knows how to buffer it yet
[17:25:04] <zodiac> lol
[17:25:05] <keeta> i for one think there are no oot glitches, grunz just patches our carts when nobody is looking
[17:25:08] <Mp16> oh lol
[17:25:13] <qwerty1605> we don't know the exact frames
[17:25:19] <pokey> im doing the exact same frames every time
[17:25:21] <CHC> Only Grunz does :/
[17:25:21] <@maxx> 17:25 < zodiac> cuz grunz tased it at a dumb angle and we don't know how to do it
[17:25:22] <pokey> it works half the time
[17:25:24] <@maxx> lol
[17:25:34] <Mp16> lol
[17:25:38] <keeta> why cant you just learn the new angle
[17:25:41] <zodiac> maybe you can only do it with his fucked camera
[17:25:43] <+aleckermit> http://www.justin.tv/aleckermit
[17:25:47] <Mp16> haha
[17:25:52] <+aleckermit> Everdrive 64 testing
[17:26:01] <Runnerguy2489> aleckermit: you realize there is a new dot skip right?
[17:26:06] <Enterim> zfg has finally gotten to adult in an attempt
[17:26:06] <@maxx> aleckermit: sounds awesome but is currenly overshadowed
[17:26:14] <@maxx> by everyone trying to dot skip
[17:26:16] <sockfolder> wow nice
[17:26:18] <Elminster> holy shit
[17:26:19] <sockfolder> how are ahead?
[17:26:24] <Elminster> holy shit
[17:26:26] <Enterim> 23.3 as of master sword
[17:26:27] <Elminster> stick on b from llr
[17:26:28] <Elminster> holy
[17:26:29] <Elminster> fucking
[17:26:30] <Elminster> shit
[17:26:31] <CHC> Is ZFG's file on VC?
[17:27:11] <zodiac> omg sock got through
[17:27:13] <zodiac> with moonjump
[17:27:14] <pokey> this is botw chus with zl all over again
[17:27:19] <sockfolder> emu only strats
[17:27:35] <sockfolder> supposably something interesting happens now
[17:27:40] <sockfolder> so I got to see
[17:27:46] <@maxx> supposably?
[17:27:48] <zodiac> if we can get stick b from llr omg...
[17:28:04] <zodiac> sock i think jp is still faster
[17:28:06] <zodiac> than what youre doing
[17:28:06] <zodiac> lol
[17:28:06] <Enterim> Can someone explain the stick b at llr to me?
[17:28:52] <Runnerguy2489> no, no one can
[17:28:57] <@maxx> ^
[17:29:00] <keeta> lose a race to ingo while swordless i think
[17:29:02] <zodiac> still needs to be tested
[17:29:03] <keeta> idk
[17:29:07] <zodiac> sock is checking it out now
[17:29:08] <Enterim> the theory behind it, I mean
[17:29:16] <Enterim> the hypothesis
[17:29:22] <@maxx> SOME of us VAGUELY remember SOME sort of llr stick B glitch that involves skipping kokiri sword
[17:29:28] <@Cosmo> theres something to do with riding the horse that gets you deku stick B or swordless
[17:29:32] <@Cosmo> and i tested it
[17:29:39] <@Cosmo> and we concluded it doesnt work if you ever equip a sword
[17:29:48] <sockfolder> how does it work
[17:29:51] <@Cosmo> cloudmax got it to work in 3ds
[17:29:53] <MrGrunz> no need for epona's song to ride a horse, right?
[17:29:59] <Enterim> how do you get swordless as adult then?
[17:30:01] <Runnerguy2489> I'd try the 3ds version
[17:30:02] <Mp16> nope
[17:30:04] <keeta> you can ride a brown horse
[17:30:10] <Sam> enterim
[17:30:12] <GlitchesAndStuff> is it that it checks for what should go back on B when you get off a horse
[17:30:14] <Sam> use sticks to kill stuff
[17:30:26] <CHC> How many of us will actually use this in any% console?
[17:30:28] <GlitchesAndStuff> and it checks last equiped for that
[17:30:38] <@maxx> CHC: me if it's faster
[17:30:42] <zodiac> if stick b at lon lon works
[17:30:43] <Elminster> i would if a pause buffer method is found
[17:30:45] <Elminster> wait no
[17:30:46] <zodiac> youll have to use it
[17:30:47] <qwerty1605> ^
[17:30:48] <Elminster> i might not actually
[17:30:53] <Elminster> because
[17:30:54] <qwerty1605> maxx same
[17:31:00] <Elminster> wait...
[17:31:04] <CHC> Pause buffer method would be nice
[17:31:12] <Enterim> what's shield needed for in any% currently?
[17:31:16] <pokey> grunz i have tried every fucking frame after hold left
[17:31:19] <pokey> nothing works
[17:31:20] <keeta> if the trick doesnt work no reason to do the skip without sword
[17:31:21] <Elminster> the console route would do castle before night with aquaescape
[17:31:23] <pokey> crash in dot every time
[17:31:26] <@maxx> Enterim: adult shield?
[17:31:27] <Elminster> Enterim: getting across gerudo bridge
[17:31:30] <Enterim> deku
[17:31:31] <@maxx> everything
[17:31:33] <Elminster> oh
[17:31:37] <Elminster> deku isn't in any%
[17:31:40] <@maxx> it sure isn't
[17:31:43] <Elminster> ever since aquaescape was found
[17:31:52] <@maxx> and you need hylian to do anything
[17:31:52] <MrGrunz> somehow I can't target the dot when I use the common camera angle, too lazy to work on that any more now
[17:31:54] <Enterim> I'm trying to visualize the route
[17:31:57] <MrGrunz> I'll upload the m64
[17:32:11] <zodiac> sock: you have to do another riding session
[17:32:13] <zodiac> to race ingo
[17:32:15] <keeta> ill look at the m64
[17:32:17] <Enterim> watched too much MST lately. :P
[17:32:18] <keeta> emu kids ftw
[17:32:28] <GlitchesAndStuff> don't you need to go into the ranch house and hang off the ledge to blank your B button
[17:32:36] <zodiac> sock just got swordless
[17:32:41] <GlitchesAndStuff> disable it, whatver
[17:32:42] <@maxx> word
[17:32:50] <pokey> hahaha
[17:32:50] <sockfolder> yeah you get swordless
[17:32:52] <@maxx> if you savewarp while swordless is that gg?
[17:32:53] <pokey> he got swordless
[17:32:59] <pokey> does this mean 1.0 ONLY BITCHES??
[17:33:06] <keeta> XD
[17:33:09] <sockfolder> someone does need to check 1.2
[17:33:11] <Enterim> 1.0 grey only
[17:33:15] <pokey> sockfolder
[17:33:18] <pokey> you have to save to get stick
[17:33:18] <CHC> I can't get the clip :/
[17:33:23] <MrGrunz> wait wait wait
[17:33:32] <pokey> if you save on any other version you cant save after magic
[17:33:36] <MrGrunz> sock stream
[17:33:37] <pokey> therefore 1.0 FTW!!
[17:33:41] <MrGrunz> someone link me
[17:33:45] <MrGrunz> so we can get stick on B
[17:33:48] <MrGrunz> without pond?
[17:33:49] <CHC> Still blank pokey
[17:33:49] <MrGrunz> :D
[17:33:52] <Static> http://www.twitch.tv/sockfolder
[17:33:56] <pokey> >_>
[17:33:57] <MrGrunz> thanks
[17:34:13] <keeta> hmm i think zaccio can get 48 with new route
[17:34:20] <@maxx> lol
[17:34:43] <pokey> grunz
[17:34:58] <pokey> what was the exact controller stuff for the hold up and left a ltitle
[17:35:14] <Enterim> pokey escape, rod steal, and dot skip are now all obsolete? those are literally the only tricks I know how to do
[17:35:25] <stonenot> has anyone else clipped inside of the door and got reset
[17:35:26] <@maxx> haha
[17:35:31] <Enterim> I expect a-slides to be popular tomorrow
[17:35:41] <keeta> get razor on the case
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[17:36:02] <MrGrunz> yeah, stonenot
[17:36:07] <MrGrunz> that happens often
[17:36:45] <Dessyreqt> 1.0 grey only? I didn't know there was a difference between 1.0 grey and 1.0 gold.
[17:37:02] <pokey> [17:34:44] <pokey> grunz
[17:37:02] <pokey> [17:35:00] <pokey> what was the exact controller stuff for the hold up and left a ltitle
[17:37:12] <@maxx> there isn't Dessyreqt
[17:37:26] <@maxx> hey pokey guess who has a jp 1.0
[17:37:35] <@maxx> this guy !!!!!
[17:37:38] <pokey> you dont know how to play n64 tho
[17:37:46] <@maxx> i switched to vc for one trick
[17:37:50] <@maxx> i'll switch back for another
[17:37:55] <MrGrunz> pokey, no idea
[17:38:04] <Dessyreqt> Good... not that I'm planning on getting into OoT, but it's nice to know I have the right version for it.
[17:38:13] <pokey> grunz
[17:38:22] <pokey> is the 15th frame the one where the camera zooms out
[17:38:23] <keeta> pal 1.2 n64 where its at
[17:38:24] <pokey> or the one before it
[17:38:39] <MrGrunz> I have no idea
[17:38:43] <pokey> >__>
[17:39:08] <zodiac> i also have pal 1.2 n64
[17:39:08] <MrGrunz> http://www.mediafire.com/?ws493pdp49i54dp
[17:39:09] <zodiac> :(
[17:39:11] <MrGrunz> m64 + st
[17:39:33] <@maxx> awesome MrGrunz
[17:39:40] <@maxx> thx for vid and m64
[17:39:42] <zodiac> STICK B
[17:39:47] <@maxx> sock got it?
[17:39:48] <Runnerguy2489> GG!!!!
[17:39:49] <zodiac> sock got stick b
[17:39:50] <Runnerguy2489> he got it
[17:39:58] <@maxx> donegames, boys
[17:40:00] <zodiac> then he pulled it out and it crashed
[17:40:00] <GlitchesAndStuff> didn't acryte already prove it anyway ages ago?
[17:40:01] <zodiac> lol
[17:40:01] <Kazooie> great stuff!!!
[17:40:15] <@maxx> tektite hover is obsolete
[17:40:16] <MrGrunz> damn
[17:40:17] <@maxx> !!!!!
[17:40:23] <MrGrunz> tomorrow a new any% TAS will be started
[17:40:25] <MrGrunz> :D
[17:40:27] <MrGrunz> goal
[17:40:28] <zodiac> :DDDDDD
[17:40:28] <Runnerguy2489> :)
[17:40:29] <CHC> Yay :D
[17:40:32] <MrGrunz> sub 40 japanese version
[17:40:33] <Mp16> =DD
[17:40:35] <Kazooie> :D
[17:40:39] <zodiac> sub 40
[17:40:39] <GlitchesAndStuff> O_O
[17:40:41] <Goldenboy> :D
[17:40:45] <Kazooie> :D
[17:40:47] <Goldenboy> holy shit...
[17:40:48] <zodiac> you think you can shave off 15 minutes with this?
[17:40:48] <Mp16> OoT history
[17:40:51] <CHC> So we still need 50 rupees?
[17:40:54] <GlitchesAndStuff> your goal in 3 years time is to complete OoT faster than LA
[17:40:55] <Mp16> 10
[17:41:00] <MrGrunz> japanese rom alone saves 8,5 minutes
[17:41:01] <Static> Low% just got lower
[17:41:07] <Mp16> and that too
[17:41:08] <MrGrunz> kokiri sword + shield skip are another 2
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[17:41:14] <cafde> no it didn't
[17:41:27] <Mp16> stick isg
[17:41:29] <Mp16> no
[17:41:32] <Mp16> eh w/e
[17:41:34] <Static> no shield
[17:41:37] <Mp16> any% > low%
[17:41:41] <CHC> ^
[17:41:43] <@maxx> yeah
[17:41:49] <Kazooie> how sockfolder did get swordless as a adult?
[17:41:57] <@maxx> cheats
[17:41:58] <CHC> Raced
[17:42:00] <CHC> died
[17:42:00] <Mp16> lol
[17:42:01] <GlitchesAndStuff> L to levitate
[17:42:02] <@maxx> L to levitate
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[17:42:10] <MrGrunz> we revolutionized OoT today, this is so awesome :D
[17:42:10] <Kazooie> he skipped dot
[17:42:12] <Kazooie> without sword
[17:42:17] <zodiac> yeah mad props grunz
[17:42:18] <@maxx> yeah
[17:42:18] <Kazooie> yeah it is
[17:42:19] <zodiac> this is soooo good
[17:42:22] <CHC> Go Grunz :D
[17:42:23] <Mp16> and Ingo said he cheated
[17:42:36] <qwerty1605> gogo grunz
[17:42:40] <Mp16> but it works =D
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[17:42:44] <Kazooie> we shuold write book about oot glitching history
[17:42:44] <GlitchesAndStuff> I'm glad horses are back in the run
[17:42:46] <@maxx> how did sock get stick B
[17:42:49] <Mp16> lol we should
[17:42:50] <@maxx> with a savewarp?
[17:42:51] <@maxx> or not
[17:42:57] <Mp16> ingo
[17:42:58] <zodiac> ride horse, die, pay ingo money
[17:43:03] <zodiac> roughly
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[17:43:07] <sockfolder> I did like everything before riding the second time
[17:43:07] <@maxx> ah word
[17:43:08] <zodiac> not 100% certain
[17:43:09] <MrGrunz> I'd say this is the best OoT day since the original dot skip has been discovered :)
[17:43:10] <Mp16> dim gray button too
[17:43:14] <GlitchesAndStuff> ingo gets money and you get a stick
[17:43:16] <@maxx> what is the fastest way to die
[17:43:16] <zodiac> yeah this is soooo huge
[17:43:24] <Mp16> agreed MrGrunz
[17:43:26] <Static> Is it possible to beat ingo with a horse other than epona?
[17:43:28] <zodiac> fastest way is probably redeads
[17:43:30] <Elminster> agreed Kazooie
[17:43:31] <Mp16> good questino maxx
[17:43:36] <Mp16> poe?
[17:43:40] <Mp16> outside LLR
[17:43:40] <Elminster> Static: it is
[17:43:41] <zodiac> sock is doing poe now
[17:43:42] <Static> skultulla
[17:43:43] <zodiac> its slow as fuck
[17:43:43] <Goldenboy> I love how the any% route gets completely shattered, a day after Zaccio gets the 55:52
[17:43:43] <zodiac> lol
[17:43:46] <@maxx> can you fuck with the cuccos
[17:43:48] <@maxx> and frenzy them
[17:43:49] <Elminster> but you can't use the horse to jump over the outside fence
[17:43:50] <Mp16> oh yeah
[17:43:51] <Mp16> cuccos
[17:43:53] <Mp16> wait no
[17:43:56] <Mp16> nothing to fuck with them
[17:43:56] <zodiac> we have nothing to hit cuccos with
[17:43:57] <@maxx> get deku nuts
[17:44:00] <Mp16> nice
[17:44:01] <@maxx> as kid at shop
[17:44:02] <zodiac> unless this works on 1.2
01[17:44:02] <ingx24> huh
01[17:44:04] <ingx24> whats this
[17:44:07] <MrGrunz> wait
[17:44:08] <zodiac> and we can use stick b to hit them rofl
[17:44:12] <keeta> this trick is ok but its no light arrow skip
01[17:44:13] <ingx24> oot got wrecked again?
[17:44:14] <Mp16> don't have it yet
[17:44:15] <Mp16> zodiac
[17:44:15] <MrGrunz> we have to wait for the egg to hatch
[17:44:18] <Elminster> oh shit
[17:44:21] <MrGrunz> does this actually save time?
[17:44:22] <zodiac> oh right
[17:44:22] <zodiac> of course
[17:44:23] <MrGrunz> in a TAS?
[17:44:23] <GlitchesAndStuff> so
[17:44:26] <CHC> Grunz state won't load on Mupen :/
[17:44:28] <GlitchesAndStuff> what are the list of items in low% now
[17:44:31] <qwerty1605> swordless DoT skip ing
[17:44:31] <Mp16> ganon's castle cs
[17:44:32] <Mp16> it makes it night
[17:44:38] <Elminster> GlitchesAndStuff: i don't think it changes low%
01[17:44:39] <ingx24> yeah i read the whole conversation
[17:44:43] <GlitchesAndStuff> oh
[17:44:43] <Mp16> that could help
[17:44:48] <@maxx> MrGrunz: that is a good question
[17:44:54] <Elminster> you need to rba shit as child i think
[17:44:55] <Runnerguy2489> are you serious mp16? I never knew that lol
[17:44:59] <Mp16> yep!
01[17:44:59] <ingx24> good thing rg never restarted any% segd after aquaescape
[17:45:01] <GlitchesAndStuff> I thought someone said 'low% is even lower now'
01[17:45:02] <ingx24> or he would be restarting again
[17:45:08] <MrGrunz> elm, sword can be skipped in low%, can't it?
[17:45:11] <Mp16> ok, new route?
[17:45:13] <Elminster> Mp16: that explains a lot
[17:45:18] <Mp16> haha yeah
01[17:45:23] <ingx24> mp16: ganons castle outside area makes it night just by entering it
01[17:45:26] <ingx24> not just the cutscene
[17:45:27] <Mp16> it makes it 00:00
[17:45:27] <Elminster> MrGrunz: you need to rba chus to get the mirror shield, i think
[17:45:30] <cafde> not unless you could get stick on b as child without kokiri sword
[17:45:33] <Elminster> actually
[17:45:35] <Mp16> so 6 hours until day
[17:45:35] <Elminster> i'm not sure about that
[17:45:39] <GlitchesAndStuff> hang off the edge sockfolder
[17:45:39] <Elminster> let me think
[17:45:47] <Mp16> oh nice ing
[17:45:47] <cafde> you could get mirror shield without rbaing more
[17:45:57] <cafde> but you need a stick
[17:45:57] <@maxx> if 1.0 can savewarp out of llr while swordless to get stick B
[17:45:58] <MrGrunz> so I'd get the chicken, go to ganon's castle
[17:46:01] <@maxx> it would be way faster
[17:46:01] <MrGrunz> then to the ranch?
[17:46:05] <Elminster> oh yeah
[17:46:10] <Mp16> 1.0 rules again? =D
[17:46:12] <Elminster> you'd need real stick or sword + stick on b
[17:46:13] <MrGrunz> eh get the egg
01[17:46:14] <ingx24> is 1.0 gonna dominate oot any% again
[17:46:23] <Mp16> this could be a really happy day for me
[17:46:24] <@maxx> yeah get the egg then savewarp
[17:46:29] <Kazooie> how you can get swordless after you come to adult with MS?
[17:46:31] <Elminster> oh fuck...
[17:46:35] <@maxx> or is just running to castle  faster
[17:46:37] <pokey> im gonna stream this bullshit
[17:46:41] <Mp16> Kazooie: sock streamed it
[17:46:53] <Kazooie> I saw how to get deku stucks
[17:46:54] <Kazooie> bsticks
[17:47:00] <Kazooie> but not swordless
[17:47:00] <Mp16> same thing
[17:47:01] <Kazooie> :(
[17:47:05] <Kazooie> aa ok
[17:47:06] <Mp16> ride epona, quit
[17:47:07] <Mp16> you're swordless
[17:47:10] <Kazooie> just pay twice
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[17:47:12] <sockfolder> swordless is easier
[17:47:12] <Mp16> yep
[17:47:25] <@maxx> sockfolder: did you test savewarping while Swordless
[17:47:25] <Mp16> then die w/ cucco and deku nuts
[17:47:30] <CHC> Anyone know why mupen isn't loading the savestate?
[17:47:34] <MrGrunz> now someone discover adult dot skip with only MS and getting child again without clearing forest
[17:47:36] <sockfolder> I have to dim the button first
[17:47:38] <Mp16> can you ride horsies during the night?
[17:47:40] <MrGrunz> and OoT is completely busted
[17:47:43] <Static> CHC: wrong version?
[17:48:00] <Static> Mp16: no
[17:48:04] <GlitchesAndStuff> so ranch > savewarp > water on the way to ranch?
[17:48:05] <Mp16> didn't think so
[17:48:14] <Mp16> no savewarp
[17:48:16] <CHC> mupen64-rrv8-avisplit 0.5?
[17:48:16] <MrGrunz> no need to die, glitches?
[17:48:17] <@maxx> water?
[17:48:21] <pokey> http://www.justin.tv/pokeyil
[17:48:23] <GlitchesAndStuff> not sure if it's quicker
[17:48:29] <Runnerguy2489> he's gonna test if dying is needed or not
[17:48:36] <Mp16> egg first
[17:48:42] <Mp16> or maybe llr first?
[17:48:51] <@maxx> nah gotta be egg first
[17:48:51] <Mp16> oh yeah dying might not be needed
[17:48:53] <Mp16> ok
[17:48:59] <GlitchesAndStuff> probably quicker to go egg
[17:49:03] <keeta> this trick might not even be faster than normal any%
[17:49:04] <Kazooie> I need to go sleep guys
[17:49:10] <Kazooie> keep me informed about this tomorrow
[17:49:12] <Mp16> egg > gc cs > wait for day again?
[17:49:12] <keeta> lol
[17:49:12] <Kazooie> :)
[17:49:17] <Mp16> night Kazooie
[17:49:19] <@maxx> keeta: it skips child bean
[17:49:21] <pokey> MrGrunz watch my stream
[17:49:21] <Kazooie> night!
[17:49:25] <pokey> tell me what im doing wrong
[17:49:29] <GlitchesAndStuff> then when going to hryule field water would waste time enough for egg to hatch
[17:49:32] <@maxx> unless you call tektite hover "normal"
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[17:49:51] <keeta> i meant the fastest any% route
[17:49:54] <keeta> currently
[17:50:02] <@maxx> so the tas route
[17:50:06] <keeta> yeas
[17:50:07] <@maxx> it might not change it i guess
[17:50:17] <@maxx> i think sword skip is faster anyway though
[17:50:19] <GlitchesAndStuff> so death is needed, right?
[17:50:20] <Mp16> what else could we accomplish while waiting for time to change? anything?
[17:50:22] <@maxx> just for time in kokiri
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[17:50:42] <MrGrunz> nothing, mp16
[17:50:42] <Mp16> farm rupees?
[17:50:48] <Runnerguy2489> it skips diving game as well, and moving KZ
[17:50:50] <@maxx> go ahead and put bottle on B
[17:50:51] <Mp16> yeah
[17:51:00] <MrGrunz> how fast does ingametime pass in OoT?
[17:51:07] <Mp16> 45 seconds for night to day
[17:51:08] <keeta> 80 seconds for night
[17:51:11] <Mp16> wait
[17:51:12] <zodiac> its like 160 seconds or so for day i think
[17:51:13] <@maxx> ????
[17:51:14] <Mp16> depending on when night starts
[17:51:18] <Mp16> 45 seconds from 00:00
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[17:51:22] <Mp16> so from gc cs
[17:51:26] <MrGrunz> 45 seconds is fine
[17:51:29] <GlitchesAndStuff> go get sun's song?
[17:51:31] <GlitchesAndStuff> :D
[17:51:32] <Enterim> time it from the sun's song, goddamn
[17:51:33] <@maxx> no lully
[17:51:36] <MrGrunz> I need at least 20 seconds to get to the ranch
[17:51:44] <MrGrunz> and from there another 25 to kakariko
[17:51:45] <Mp16> Enterim: not exactly
[17:51:53] <Mp16> time it from gc cs
[17:51:54] <zodiac> we might need to go die
[17:51:58] <zodiac> so we could do that in that time
[17:51:58] <MrGrunz> so that shouldn't be a problem
[17:52:04] <Mp16> and go to an area where time moves quickly
[17:52:11] <Enterim> GC?
[17:52:17] <Mp16> ganon's castle
[17:52:18] <Runnerguy2489> ganon's castle
[17:52:19] <Mp16> it makes it night
[17:52:20] <Enterim> Oh, I see
[17:52:27] <GlitchesAndStuff> grunz why not go to kakariko first?
01[17:52:31] <ingx24> yeah entering ganons castle outside area makes it night
[17:52:34] <keeta> doesnt time move the same speed everywhere except fishing pond
[17:52:39] <MrGrunz> I go to kakariko first
[17:52:40] <Mp16> no keeta
[17:52:41] <MrGrunz> get the egg
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[17:52:43] <GlitchesAndStuff> oh
[17:52:45] <zodiac> keeta, no
[17:52:46] <MrGrunz> then ranch
[17:52:50] <Mp16> right outside market and llr it moves slowly
[17:52:50] <Runnerguy2489> no, there are areas where it's dark and grey...those are slower
01[17:52:51] <ingx24> i guess ganons castle outside area uses nighttime clouds or something
[17:52:52] <zodiac> i know when its raining in lake hylia it moves slower
[17:52:55] <zodiac> i think it might in the rockslide area
[17:52:58] <GlitchesAndStuff> oh yeah
[17:52:59] <Runnerguy2489> water temple is also slower
[17:53:00] <GlitchesAndStuff> cojiro >_<
[17:53:01] <Runnerguy2489> *outside it
[17:53:09] <Mp16> yeah
[17:53:12] <keeta> weird
[17:53:20] <Mp16> any main area where it's in hyrule field
[17:53:24] <Mp16> or lake hylia
[17:53:34] <keeta> so what are the fastest places
[17:53:42] <Mp16> wait. not kokiri eh w/e
[17:53:48] <Mp16> or kakariko
[17:53:59] <Mp16> fastest places: anywhere but those two spots
[17:54:12] <Mp16> we could start taking damage to kill time
[17:54:15] <keeta> like ??
[17:54:30] <@maxx> top of kakariko stairs
[17:54:35] <Mp16> that works
[17:54:45] <keeta> i thought nowhere in hyrule field
[17:54:51] <Mp16> ok let's figure out the route
[17:54:53] <MrGrunz> so all that ranch stuff
[17:54:58] <Mp16> we need to go to ranch during day
[17:54:58] <MrGrunz> mustn't take longer than
[17:55:01] <MrGrunz> 3:20
[17:55:04] <Mp16> do we need pocket cucco for anything?
[17:55:10] <keeta> cojiro
[17:55:11] <Mp16> picking up bushes
[17:55:14] <@maxx> kinda
[17:55:15] <Mp16> I meant for rba
[17:55:15] <Runnerguy2489> I'd rather we work on actually doing the trick
[17:55:20] <@maxx> depends on the route
[17:55:21] <MrGrunz> how long is one horse race?
[17:55:23] <@maxx> zaccio does it for bomb drops
[17:55:26] <sockfolder> the dot skip?
[17:55:27] <@maxx> but i did not
[17:55:27] <Mp16> you can quit
[17:55:28] <sockfolder> ?
[17:55:29] <zodiac> you dont need to race grunz
[17:55:30] <GlitchesAndStuff> I agree with RG
[17:55:30] <keeta> grunz still waiting on m64
[17:55:31] <sockfolder> you don't race crunz
[17:55:31] <keeta> lol
[17:55:33] <sockfolder> grunz
[17:55:36] <sockfolder> lol crunz
[17:55:47] <MrGrunz> http://www.mediafire.com/?ws493pdp49i54dp
[17:55:49] <Mp16> ok agreed
[17:55:50] <zodiac> grunz posted the m64 here a while ago
[17:55:51] <MrGrunz> m64
[17:55:54] <Mp16> I just can't since I'm on campus lol
[17:55:58] <keeta> ty
[17:56:13] <Mp16> but ok I'll think about the route
[17:56:16] <@maxx> well i'm at work
[17:56:19] <@maxx> so i can't play either
[17:56:25] <GlitchesAndStuff> I'm gonna come back tomorrow and I'm gonna expect pokey to have done this
[17:56:29] <Mp16> lol
[17:56:33] <pokey> GlitchesAndStuff
[17:56:35] <pokey> its not working
[17:56:36] <@maxx> so how's that route going Mp16
[17:56:37] <GlitchesAndStuff> and RG to have an any% segment with this in it
[17:56:39] <pokey> im following the directions down
[17:56:43] <Mp16> it depends on my first question
[17:56:47] <pokey> and its completely random
[17:56:47] <sockfolder> what isn't working pokey
[17:56:49] <Mp16> are we using black gaunts for anything
[17:56:51] <pokey> everything
[17:56:55] <pokey> half the time i dont target the door
[17:56:58] <GlitchesAndStuff> good luck pokey
[17:56:58] <GlitchesAndStuff> :)
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[17:57:02] <sockfolder> oh the door
[17:57:05] <pokey> the other half after 5 frames he gets stuck in the door
[17:57:11] <sockfolder> yeah I dunno how to do that
[17:57:15] <Runnerguy2489> I never even get close
[17:57:22] <Runnerguy2489> I clip and go way out away from the door
[17:57:25] <@maxx> there are 2 options for any% (current): pocket cucco rba for gaunts, get lucky bomb drops from bushes. OR skip cucco rba, get bombs from dampe's grave
[17:57:29] <@maxx> @ Mp16
[17:57:34] <Mp16> yeah
[17:57:48] <Mp16> I'd say dampe's grave
[17:58:00] <sockfolder> how would skipping pocket cucco save enough time
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[17:58:04] <@maxx> apparently it's like 100 minutes faster to skip graveyard
[17:58:11] <@maxx> if you're danish
[17:58:15] <Mp16> lol
[17:58:20] <Runnerguy2489> if you get one less drop than zaccio it only saves 15 seconds
[17:58:23] <Runnerguy2489> well actually
[17:58:26] <Runnerguy2489> now it may be way different
[17:58:40] <Runnerguy2489> because child route is different
[17:58:44] <Runnerguy2489> and you need rupees for ranch
[17:58:45] <Mp16> yep
[17:58:49] <Mp16> and shield
[17:58:51] <Mp16> and deku nuts
[17:58:52] <Mp16> and stick
[17:58:58] <Runnerguy2489> shield was always skipped
[17:59:03] <Runnerguy2489> for console
[17:59:04] <keeta> ok looking at the m64
[17:59:05] <@maxx> hylian shield
[17:59:06] <Mp16> oh right
[17:59:09] <Runnerguy2489> oh lol
[17:59:10] <Mp16> I meant hylian shield
[17:59:14] <keeta> the angle is aligning the top of the hilt
[17:59:18] <@maxx> if you skip grave gotta buy it
[17:59:19] <keeta> not the left
[17:59:22] <keeta> like before
[17:59:23] <Mp16> yep
[17:59:34] <CHC> Wait. We just changed max% adult.
[17:59:38] <CHC> We can rba now.
[17:59:39] <Mp16> LOL
[17:59:42] <Mp16> =O
[17:59:44] <Mp16> woah
[17:59:45] <@maxx> no
[17:59:46] <@maxx> no bottles
[17:59:48] <@maxx> just deku B
[17:59:48] <Mp16> oh lol
[17:59:54] <CHC> Aww :/
[17:59:56] <Mp16> can you get arrows?
[17:59:58] <Mp16> oh wait lol
[18:00:00] <Mp16> no bottles
[18:00:01] <+Slowi> soo whats going on with oot any%?
[18:00:05] <Mp16> any%
[18:00:08] <CHC> Can't turn deku B into bottle without bottle?
[18:00:09] <Mp16> it's broken
[18:00:13] <+Slowi> grunz just send me a PM
[18:00:13] <@maxx> right CHC
[18:00:14] <Mp16> no
[18:00:15] <CHC> We broke any%
[18:00:21] <+Slowi> how?
[18:00:21] <Runnerguy2489> *grunz
[18:00:28] <CHC> True rg
[18:00:31] <qwerty1605> swordless DoT skip
[18:00:36] <qwerty1605> slowi
[18:00:37] <CHC> But How many of us TRIED swordless dot?
[18:00:40] <+Slowi> uh!
[18:00:41] <MrGrunz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJRqrgt8ag&lc=X2cUyPRZAar0sfk9F_5IwjHH37J56KMoKgOD8jdMTPc&feature=inbox
[18:00:42] <+Slowi> fun!
[18:00:43] <CrazySnailsman> [YouTube] "Door of Time Skip Without Kokiri Sword!" --- 310 views uploaded 24 Oct 2011 by MrGrunz ---
[18:00:45] <Mp16> a few
[18:00:54] <qwerty1605> I have and failed
[18:01:00] <CHC> Point being it's done and we need a new route.
[18:01:03] <CHC> For swordless
[18:01:04] <MrGrunz> we can get stick on B without pond now
[18:01:07] <Mp16> we're thinking of it
[18:01:14] <+Slowi> soo what forest escape would that use?
[18:01:19] <Mp16> OoT3ds taught us
[18:01:21] <CHC> Aqua
[18:01:21] <MrGrunz> aqua
[18:01:26] <+Slowi> with stick?
[18:01:26] <Mp16> sticks
[18:01:27] <CHC> Is cucco bottle faster now?
[18:01:30] <Mp16> yeah
[18:01:31] <+Slowi> ah k :)
[18:01:36] <Mp16> big time
[18:02:18] <Mp16> Now what I'm interested in is how could this tie into bingos...
[18:02:22] <Mp16> hmmm
[18:02:22] <+Slowi> so that means lon lon for bottle B?
[18:02:26] <Mp16> yeah
[18:02:31] <+Slowi> nice ^^
[18:02:48] <CHC> So aqua, wess, kak, cucco bottle, cbn, DoT skip, adult, (grab some rupees 13r from zr need 20), do ingo race for swordless, die, deku B, bottle B, normal route 'til end?
[18:03:00] <Sam> grunz
[18:03:03] <+Slowi> I guess don't let runz get bored or he will destroy your game XD
[18:03:11] <+Slowi> *Grunz
[18:03:11] <Sam> what does the first oob frame look like?
[18:03:33] <Mp16> kinda CHC
[18:03:37] <+Slowi> grunz how about TASin OoT any% now? :D
[18:03:38] <Mp16> but deku nuts are the best
[18:03:40] <Runnerguy2489> keep in mind also that we are buffering frames where grunz is putting the input exactly
[18:03:46] <CHC> Nuts are best? Seriously?
[18:03:49] <Mp16> deku nuts to get cuccos to kill you
[18:03:55] <CHC> Oooh
[18:03:59] <CHC> Buy nuts?
[18:04:01] <Mp16> yeah exactly RG
[18:04:05] <Mp16> but it should still be faster
[18:04:12] <MrGrunz> slowi, you bitch
[18:04:22] <MrGrunz> yeah, I'm going to do it^^
[18:04:25] <Mp16> lol
[18:04:27] <MrGrunz> now you get what you want :P
[18:04:29] <@maxx> stupid question: could deku nut escape be faster than aquaescape
[18:04:32] <@maxx> i'm gonna guess no
[18:04:46] <Mp16> no
[18:04:46] <Mp16> cs
[18:04:48] <MrGrunz> no, skipping the ocarina saves quite a bit of time
[18:04:50] <Mp16> maybe in jp?
[18:04:58] <Mp16> since we buy stick
[18:05:00] <Mp16> we could skip owl
[18:05:01] <MrGrunz> still doubtful
[18:05:06] <MrGrunz> going down the river
[18:05:07] <Goldenboy> maxx, its probably only faster in the ique version
[18:05:11] <MrGrunz> gives us quite a few rupees
[18:05:11] <@maxx> lol
[18:05:17] <Mp16> yeah
[18:05:17] <MrGrunz> those save time as well
[18:05:19] <@maxx> k jw
[18:05:24] <+Slowi> well at least for TAS going down river will be faster
[18:05:25] <@maxx> take nothing for granted
[18:05:32] <Mp16> ocarina could replace OI
[18:05:33] <Mp16> eh w/e
[18:05:36] <Mp16> you guys figure that out
[18:05:46] <@maxx> also lets adult route change a bit iirc
[18:05:53] <Mp16> since we'll be buying nuts anyway
[18:05:58] <@maxx> after you get odd mush you can megaflip to lw bridge and ss through hf to kak
[18:06:05] <@maxx> currently that is slow due to hf intro cs
[18:06:15] <Mp16> yep
[18:06:28] <Mp16> another thing to factor it
[18:06:29] <Mp16> in*
[18:06:42] <+Slowi> ofcourse without the sword going down river will get slower, but probably not that much
[18:06:55] <Mp16> we can't hess
[18:07:01] <Mp16> unless we buy two sticks
[18:07:03] <@maxx> y
[18:07:05] <Mp16> wait
[18:07:07] <Mp16> nvm
[18:07:08] <Mp16> break it
[18:07:11] <@maxx> yeah
[18:07:16] <@maxx> that seems fine to me?
[18:07:18] <pokey> grunz can you link the m64 again plz
[18:07:18] <Mp16> ok nvm on that
[18:07:21] <MrGrunz> time for some sleep
[18:07:30] <MrGrunz> http://www.mediafire.com/?ws493pdp49i54dp
[18:07:30] <Mp16> cucco collecting will be different
[18:07:31] <MrGrunz> good night
[18:07:36] <Mp16> night Grunz
[18:07:37] <@maxx> can you still fastswim when swordless
[18:07:41] <Mp16> yeah
[18:07:41] <CHC> http://www.mediafire.com/?ws493pdp49i54dp
[18:07:43] <@maxx> l8r MrGrunz
[18:07:43] <CHC> there pokey
[18:07:51] <CHC> By Grunz
[18:07:55] <CHC> bye*
[18:07:56] <CHC> lol
[18:08:01] <Mp16> eh I should probably study for my test tonight
[18:08:05] <Mp16> I'll be back later
[18:08:07] <@maxx> nah it's dumb
[18:08:10] <Mp16> lol
[18:08:16] <@maxx> in 6 months what will matter more
[18:08:17] <qwerty1605> see ya grunz
[18:08:19] <@maxx> (hint it's this)
[18:08:22] <Mp16> lol
[18:08:26] <Mp16> true fact
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[18:08:49] <keeta> ironically thats probably true
[18:08:58] <@maxx> yeah i was being serious
[18:08:58] <keeta> as nobody will care about a test 6 months ago
[18:09:00] <keeta> lol
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[18:09:29] <@maxx> it's not like he's gonna fail, he's a smart guy
[18:09:34] <MahatmaFahtalError> morning guys
[18:09:36] <@maxx> not gonna drop out of college over 1 test
[18:09:40] <@maxx> evening MahatmaFahtalError

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