Synthesis of poetry and philosophy

glkfan
Ross you're in california too?
Donco
Where are you Ross?
glkfan
i don't remember lockdown starting until mid march
glkfan
but i started avoiding going out a week or so before that
Donco
Ya, mid March for in... in Los Angeles
Donco
for me*
Donco
I started buying exxtra food and stuff around the beginning of March
K-Pax
Yes, I realized that COVID-19 would be a big deal by about Feb 24.
K-Pax
I was following some people on Twitter, though, like Roko Mijic, who realized it was going to be a big deal around Jan 20.
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K-Pax
We should reward people who correctly identified COVID-19 as a coming American catastrophe, and punish those who did not.
Donco
Let's start by punishing Trump
K-Pax
Of course.
K-Pax
He is an enemy of the republic and mankind.
K-Pax
He should be arrested by the ICC, serve the rest of his life in prison, and lose his entire financial empire.
K-Pax
Along with the indictment of at least three of his children.
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K-Pax
He is guilty of genocide and other crimes against humanity.
K-Pax
Donco: I have been reading Dante's Divine Comedy, yes. It's fascinating how powerful and clear a case Dante makes for the hellish qualities of Donald Trump and the entire modern GOP.
K-Pax
Are you familiar with the text?
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Logos
Revelation 13:6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
K-Pax
The parallels between Trump and Farinata degli Uberti in level six of Dante's hell are striking.
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K-Pax
Uberti was a member of a minority faction of Florence who believed he, his family, and his faction should rule.
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K-Pax
And so he sought treason assistance from allies of his faction outside his city-state leading to a war against the Florentines.
K-Pax
His allies, Russia and China and Saudi Arabia and Israel in the case of Mr. Trump, then wished to raze Florence to the ground.
K-Pax
He objected, saving Florence as he did not commit treason to be master of a trash heap.
K-Pax
Dante placed him level six of hell for his factional orientation in which he sought to divide his nation at any cost as long as his side prospered.
K-Pax
This is identical to Mr. Trump, his family, and the GOP.
K-Pax
And, they too, should be placed in hell for their actions.
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Logos
Genesis 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence.
05:13 Donco
Trumps approval rating is the lowest it has been in 9 months. He will heavily go on the attack now that his pllatform has nothing else left to carry him into the next term
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Donco
One can hope!
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beakr
hi
Donco
I kind of wish he would die. He has done enough damage.
beakr
hi all
Donco
hi beakr
beakr
hi Donco
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beakr
how are you all?
beakr
wow there's a lot of ppl on here : )
beakr
true, BlackXanthus  : )
beakr
i guess so, BlackXanthus
beakr
true, Ross
beakr
some ppl worship science thinking it is the absolute truth
K-Pax
beakr: Almost nobody worships science.
BlackXanthus
... I'm not sure that anyone has ever worship science.
Ross
i have no doubt grabing a wire charge with 110 volts is rather jolting
beakr
yes, it can be problematic, Ross
K-Pax
Worship is a particular mode of human cognition. Religious people often find themselves in that mode often. People who deeply value science generally do not inhabit that mode much at all in their lifetime. Religious people will often project their nature onto the nature of the non-religious with much folly.
Ross
i tend to think atheist-evolutionist replace God with science
beakr
yes, more like false worship
K-Pax
That appears to be a wildly incorrect perception.
K-Pax
You're projecting your nature onto beings whom are quite different than you.
K-Pax
Learn about and embrace the great diversity in your species.
Ross
from the history i read, science started out with the concept of dicovering how God made things to work/relate
K-Pax
Worship, as a mode of cognition, is characterized by awe, lack of curiosity, and submission. These feelings are, in serious part, anathema to the scientific project.
beakr
^
beakr
maybe idolizing is the better word
K-Pax
You appear uninterested in learning.
K-Pax
You wish to have your current beliefs confirmed.
K-Pax
Quite consistent with religion, and quite inconsistent with science.
K-Pax
The perfect topic for you, then!
K-Pax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7HL5wYqAbU

K-Pax
I find the typical Christian to be a most incurious kind of being.
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K-Pax
The approach of the typical Christian to social psychology and anthropology immediate reveals the game, in my view.
Ross
ppl should think of science as coming to understand relationships
beakr
most scientists have conflicts of interests leading to false science
Ross
good morning ChuckWagon
K-Pax
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K-Pax
Ross: Science is a set of methodologies which have shown themselves to be effective in the past at discerning models of causality.
K-Pax
That's largely it.
K-Pax
It's just a way of knowing. It's not profound. It is profound for many religious people as in its humble orientation to truth, it annihilated the putative foundations of most forms of theism.
K-Pax
And, in turn, most theists have been attempting to rebuild that crumbling edifice for some centuries now.
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K-Pax
All the while, the wavefront of science expands ever further, discovering new worlds while some 18th century priest assures his flock that all is not lost.
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FrederickFauci
!niv Mat11:25-28
Ross
i find the real explanation is: God is an Intelligent Bio-Chemical Engineer who created us
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FrederickFauci
No one KNOWS the Father except the Son
K-Pax
If Christians could accept their system as a mere collection of useful mythical stories, rather than a description of actual history -- as I do -- they could continue to find sources of deep meaning that can enrich a life. Instead, they chase after grains of sands as they're washed into an ocean of modernity.
FrederickFauci
!niv Mat:29-30
Ross
ppl who study the bible know Who God is
K-Pax
Ross: There is no evidence such a being exists.
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Ross
me chuckles
OldMole
Ross, thats like saying people who study Harry Potter know who Voldemort is
Ross
science has failed and will continue to fail to create life
K-Pax
Ross: Does it give you pause that in the 4th century God was described using 4th century language, but in the 17th century God was describe using 17th century language, and the 21st century God is describe using 21st century language?
Ross
the best science can do is create a machine
OldMole
How biologists are creating life-like cells from scratch
OldMole
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07289-x
05:33 K-Pax
Clearly, "God", then, is an evolving concept that is a repackaging of a culture's knowledge at the time, while not discovering any of it while taking credit for all of it.
K-Pax
Thank you for the conversation, Ross.
K-Pax
I do not believe you are interested in learning form this dialogue.