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  1. Lesta Nediam LNC2016-03-24 1825 +MindFlowersDotNet
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0P50bLPIWc&lc=z13hsjkwnsz4id5h204cizx5vljntdzq5lc0k
  3. https://pastebin.com/gLfsHn4m
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  7. +MindFlowersDotNet __ How can the flat Earth evidence appear stronger? Can we not be on such a huge ball that to us it appears to have the properties of being flat? You can no more justify a belief that the Earth is flat than you can round. If you watched this video (or are familiar with my videos/posts in general) then you would understand we lack what I call "sufficient proof". Sufficient proof is that which necessarily proves an event or claim to be true and real.
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  15. In the case of the Earth's shape it means 1) being far enough away so as to see the entirety of its shape [or far enough away to see undeniable curvature] or 2) to have a photograph that is distinguishable from CGI taken of the Earth from far enough away so as to capture its shape. The problem is that in 2016 you have neither of these things. All images of Earth from space are indistinguishable from CGI and none of us have been far enough away.
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  23. Thus we are forced to trust ("astronauts" etc.) and/or accept proof's appearances for proof. We lack sufficient proof when we shouldn't. *One of the points I am trying to impress upon people is that we are in a lie system that is intentionally withholding sufficient proof from us.* Instead of giving it to us it instead gives us sophists ("charming scumbags") whom we find fascinating and entertaining to tell us tempting but specious things like: *"If they could show us the Earth's shape then they would - they haven't because they can't - it's flat".* That is chump logic. Don't fall for that.
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  31. The same happens with news events - since we do not get to see what we need to see in order to justify a belief in real death occurring we are told: *"it's a hoax - nobody died or got hurt".* Or you have people like "Jeff C" ("NWA" / "New World Agenda") who says that "auto-hoaxing is wrong [except when he does it] because some events are real or false flags" - he will often hedge his bets and go with whatever he suspects his audience can accept. All said and done it comes down to him saying: "this event to me looks real" etc.
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  39. What is happening is that you are being invited to accept his conclusion ("trust him as an expert") *but he has not seen sufficient proof either.* He can no more assert an event is real than another person can assert it was fake. *This is how the game works.* We lack what we need to see to justify a belief *and we are encouraged to form a belief based on our personal feeling about it.*
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  47. Because this has been done to us from birth we don't even notice it is happening. Try to think about ANY event or claim. Upon reflection - is it not doubtable? Of course it is. *And it's by design.* It's intentional. *A consequence of withholding sufficient proof is that a population ends up believing whatever it is told.*
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  55. If an alien invasion were to be reported in the news tomorrow it would be believed. If you asked a "normal person" today, *"Hey, would you believe an alien invasion if it were reported tomorrow?"* they would reply, *"No! That's absurd!"* But when an alien invasion is reported in the nightly news the next day *it will be believed.* Why? *Because a "normal person" has a deeply held belief that the news only reports on real events.* (That belief also lacks sufficient proof.) That belief kicks in and whatever has been reported - *is believed.* What happens is that in the absence of sufficient proof our imagination fills in the blanks.
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  63. If you genuinely think the Earth might be flat it is only because you have found a way to imagine it is possible. You have found a way for it to "work". That is because you can imagine "answers" to various questions and/or have not encountered other questions that might function as brakes to the belief. (Such as - but not limited to: if the Earth is flat then how can it be that spherical models so accurately predict the positions of the Sun, Moon, Planets and Stars?)
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  71. In the same way - those who believe the Earth is a ball have done the same thing (which is everyone - because that belief came first - it is only that some people have found a way to doubt it but doubt in something is not the same as belief in the opposite of what is doubted). Everyone who believes the Earth is a ball have imagined a way for it to be possible. *But none of those people can actually justify the belief.* _That's what this is about._
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  79. The reason the "ISS" is so important is because it proves that sufficient proof is intentionally being withheld. If there exists a permanent zero gravity environment then it would be possible to film any length of it without glitches, cuts, edits or pans. If there does not exist a permanent zero gravity environment (or it is more simply being faked) then it is not possible to film any length without having to cleverly stitch together briefer portions (and if it's possible to do it seamlessly then some activities won't be possible or prohibitive [i.e., very difficult to fake - such as three minutes of continuous somersaults]).
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  87. As it happens - there does not exist ten minutes of "ISS" footage that upon scrutiny remains free from glitches, cuts, edits and pans. Plenty of people have thrown a lot of "ISS" footage at me and asserted, _"this is proof - this is an hour of zero gravity!"_ - *but they have not noticed all of the glitches, cuts, edits and pans.* Their pre-existing belief it is real causes them to not even notice the numerous defects. (Also - compounding the problem - is that everything appears real to stupid, unobservant and mentally ill people - and most people fit into one or more of those categories).
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  95. Anyway - the above is just a basic overview of the situation we are all in. We were all born into this and are being farmed like cattle and crops with our true situation never revealed (that we are in a universe that functions like a dream witnessing and experiencing itself). Although it is all so fundamentally simple - it can be profoundly difficult to grasp and takes time to sink in. But that's a result of having been born into "this situation" and being "accustomed" to it. Just as you are accustomed to seeing the colour of your skin or hearing your name. It would only seem strange and noticeable if you woke up with a different skin colour or people started calling you by a different name. Because none of us have been shown sufficient proof we have no expectation of seeing it (and just accept proof's appearances or what the "experts" have to say).
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  103. The fact it is 2016 and you are questioning the shape of the Earth should be a big clue that you are lacking "sufficient proof". You have not found what you need to see to justify a belief. But as I say - it's not limited to the shape of the Earth. It is the case with everything. Withholding sufficient proof is at the heart of the matter. Sophists ("charming scumbags") like "Peekay" and pals are here on YouTube to lead people down dead-ends. They don't have any genuine "answers". They give the appearances of seeking truth.
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  111. "Peekay" and pals will say things like, "They have not proven it's a ball therefore it's flat" (or "it could be flat" - planting and nourishing a seed of doubt in a core belief you have hitherto held strongly - what they are doing is *"abuse"* disguised as "just an opinion"). But we can no more assert that the Earth is flat than we can a ball. Though - and I mentioned this at the beginning - there are more reasons to *accept* the Earth as a ball than flat (but no justification to believe it). *The ball Earth models simply "work".* That cannot be brushed aside just because the photos of the Earth from space look like CGI. Any of us can know the precise location of the Sun, Moon, Planets and Stars at any time in the future but there is no flat Earth equivalent. *You cannot just overlook that unless you are choosing to suppress it.* It is folly to say, _"the flat Earth evidence appears stronger"_ while there are spherical models that *work.*
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  119. Anyway - I've jotted down a few notes. *I'll see how you react to them.* I have replied as though you want to get to the bottom of things - but maybe you just wanted to stick up for a fellow "flat Earther". You're not ever going to find a website or video that gives you "sufficient proof". No one has "sufficient proof" (though "astronauts" should - but we are forced to trust them - but that's how we are abused - because if we let a sophist have a foot in the door and trust them for one thing we become inclined to trust them for everything else; we practically invite these vampires into our homes where they can take anything they want). What is happening is that you are finding a way to get behind flat or round emotionally. That's what we are all being invited to do. *The correct response in a lie system is to become genuine dissidents who rationally doubt every event and claim that lacks sufficient proof and to never assert a positive belief in anything we cannot justify.* That will do. If you have any questions or follow-up - _go for it._
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  127. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's posts, comments, videos and discussions:
  128. https://pastebin.com/Bfr5RMSg
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  130. Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
  131. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ
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  133. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's video uploads:
  134. https://pastebin.com/WV42jUb1
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  136. Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
  137. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3DalBOEZ6RqSyHk8_mGV7w
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