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- jerrycurl
- bougyman went full-on papa john the other night
- infspire
- How so?
- infspire
- bougyman has a lot of delusional thoughts.
- infspire
- A important component of his mind hates evidence.
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- infspire
- He's a pretty standard right-libertarian in the United States, I find.
- jerrycurl
- bougyman's expressed Thought was about the same as what got papa john canceled
- jerrycurl
- i didn't commit it to memory
- 12:29 infspire
- Solid IQ (compared to normies but not compared to intellectuals/philosophers), little empathy, self-capable, reasoning mostly from first principles.
- jerrycurl
- on the preschool playground i attended there was sort of an ongoing race war
- jerrycurl
- kids running around shouting racial epithets for hours
- infspire
- So, when he encounters intellectuals/philosophers with empathy that can see the pretty reasonable first principles are insufficient to describe our world, he gets stuck.
- infspire
- He'll just repeat the first principle.
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- "Sure, but look at this evidence, though. That first principle isn't expressive enough to handle this evidence."
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- Which leads to him repeating the first principle.
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- If you do this a few times, he starts to sense that his first principles are insufficient, and so his mind invokes other resources to assist him.
- infspire
- He will start crafting conspiracy theories about the evidence -- it's not really true.
- infspire
- He'll then cite something known to be fallacious reasoning for about 2300 years.
- jerrycurl
- when the dementia hits i hope my mind doesn't start barfing up chat or reddit thoughts
- infspire
- You won't know.
- infspire
- jerrycurl: Madison, as a pre-Marxist, constructed a grand narrative of human nature as factional/conflict based.
- infspire
- These ideas of Madison and Marx -- Marx is the founder of the dominant paradigm of sociology on Earth -- seem to be pretty solid at explaining a good chunk of human nature.
- 12:33 jerrycurl
- yeah i think of kids as probably reenacting our evolution - phylogeny recapitulating ontogeny
- jerrycurl
- from fish to adult ape
- infspire
- Individuals, whether they want to or not, often group themselves into various factions, some overlapping, some in conflict, some nested.
- jerrycurl
- then we go in reverse, but with no mother or father to catch our fall
- jerrycurl
- just fox news
- infspire
- For a lot of people, even if they don't really ever talk about putative race, race is a deep factional identity they use to segment themselves in global human civilization.
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- jerrycurl
- ?
- jerrycurl
- local > general
- infspire
- As the conditions in the United States have worsened lately due to climate change, political strife, and economic depression, larger, more abstract factional identities are wearing thin.
- jerrycurl
- brain-wise
- infspire
- So, we're seeing people retreat into narrow identity categories they feel more secure in.
- infspire
- As far as I know, bougyman is 'white'.
- infspire
- Like the typical American, he is starting to retreat into this identity category.
- infspire
- Expect him to say more and more race-based and racist things, ala Papa John.
- jerrycurl
- there was a study that drew criticism for imperfect methods that claimed that old people who received general anesthesia then had increased rates of dementia
- infspire
- He'll point to his lifetime and point out, probably correctly, that he isn't particularly racist or race-based in his thinking.
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- This will be true and largely irrelevant.
- jerrycurl
- i think it meant geriatric
- jerrycurl
- a finnish classmate once describe a professor as "having a lot of surgeries"
- infspire
- This phenomenon I am describing is specifically related to a special portion of the psychological distribution -- extremely high stress situations that last longer than six months and are caused by factors external to one's locus of control while affecting simultaneously large amounts of that individual's society.
- jerrycurl
- this is like a room full of people at the nursing home watching jeopardy
- infspire
- This part of the distribution of being will reveal parts of an individual's nature they may have not previously seen.
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- infspire
- The high quality responses in this time needs to be extremely evidence-driven while focused on key top-level principles while being extremely open to learning.
- infspire
- Right-libertarianism does not encourage these values in excess.
- infspire
- Right-libertarians, like in the Weimar Republic in the 1930s, will retreat to their first principles and their core factional identities.
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- Their emotions will increasingly dominant their perceptions. The propaganda created from sinister, delusional factions -- Trumpism in this era -- will speak to their increasing sense of dread.
- infspire
- They will recognize their factional identity present in the Dread Faction -- first fascism and now Trumpism -- and they will align.
- infspire
- This is why it is important to have an extremely high IQ and not just one that is high compared to normies, coupled with substantial personal and historical mindfulness.
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- infspire
- This concludes my analysis of why bougyman might express racist Papa John sentiments in this era.
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