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  1. [01:28] eleceus: should i post in the ubers community thread to adopt pp oras as the new tier =] lmao
  2. [01:28] Disaster Area: no
  3. [01:28] eleceus: y
  4. [01:28] Disaster Area: if someone asks what it is free feel to explain it to them
  5. [01:28] Disaster Area: don't make em straight up adopt it it will never happen as quickly as that
  6. [01:28] eleceus: y cant we have it on showdown
  7. [01:28] eleceus: its 10x better
  8. [01:28] eleceus: than oras
  9. [01:28] Disaster Area: and honestly real test ladders on PS main will probably just drop
  10. [01:29] Disaster Area: Pdon and maybe mence or pogre
  11. [01:29] Disaster Area: my thing is a few steps above that
  12. [01:29] Disaster Area: and I've not really 'justified' anything in smogon terms
  13. [01:29] eleceus: tru
  14. [01:29] eleceus: but ur still respected
  15. [01:29] Disaster Area: I think it's the right direction for smogon to head in as a consequence of banning ray but even stil
  16. [01:30] Disaster Area: ehh by some I am by some I am not
  17. [01:30] eleceus: u know ppl still know u got the knowledge
  18. [01:30] Disaster Area: but yeah only really mention it in the context of where it's fully relevant
  19. [01:30] eleceus: ayy
  20. [01:30] Disaster Area: I don't want people being overly keen ambassadors of it without people asking what it is at least in the first place
  21. [01:30] eleceus: tru
  22. [01:30] Disaster Area: =]
  23. [01:31] eleceus: =)
  24. [01:31] eleceus: oras blows atm
  25. [01:31] Disaster Area: I know how smogon works very well even if I make a mess of myself
  26. [01:31] eleceus: lol
  27. [01:31] Disaster Area: ya honestly I've pretty much never tried to player regular ORAS
  28. [01:31] Disaster Area: but in some ways I enjoyed aspects of XY
  29. [01:31] eleceus: i liked xy
  30. [01:31] Disaster Area: so this was me sort of
  31. [01:31] Disaster Area: trying to keep the bits I liked
  32. [01:31] Disaster Area: removed the bits I didn't
  33. [01:31] Disaster Area: wanted to see what would happen
  34. [01:32] Disaster Area: in all honesty I'd probably either remove mega sab or re-allow geomancy at this point but eh
  35. [01:32] Disaster Area: in all honesty that's not even
  36. [01:32] Disaster Area: half the story though
  37. [01:32] Disaster Area: I was very curious to see
  38. [01:32] Disaster Area: how balanced this meta actually is
  39. [01:32] eleceus: geomancy takes skill even if its op
  40. [01:32] Disaster Area: compared to oras OU!
  41. [01:32] eleceus: lol
  42. [01:32] Disaster Area: now this is because
  43. [01:32] Disaster Area: the notion of ubers is very
  44. [01:32] Disaster Area: 'draw a line in the sand'
  45. [01:33] Disaster Area: and it's been fairly arbitary since day 1
  46. [01:33] eleceus: yup
  47. [01:33] Disaster Area: in gen 1 it's definitely very justified, in gen 2 there's still argumentation over the ruleset but
  48. [01:33] Disaster Area: gen 2 ou is definitely much more varied than its ubers
  49. [01:33] Disaster Area: gen 3 I think is really when ubers starts to be 'balanced' in some sense
  50. [01:34] eleceus: it had more than 5 ubers
  51. [01:34] Disaster Area: but gen 5 I think it's legitimately pretty balanced
  52. [01:34] eleceus: soo
  53. [01:34] eleceus: lol
  54. [01:34] Disaster Area: apart from I guess the hazard control issue
  55. [01:34] eleceus: yes
  56. [01:34] Disaster Area: but I personally think
  57. [01:34] Disaster Area: current ubers + mega ray is what should be
  58. [01:34] Disaster Area: considered ubers
  59. [01:34] Disaster Area: and then pp oras ubers
  60. [01:34] Disaster Area: should be considered OU
  61. [01:34] Disaster Area: that's so controversial though that
  62. [01:34] eleceus: thats smart
  63. [01:34] Disaster Area: realistically it's unlikely to happen
  64. [01:35] Disaster Area: especially when I lack that respect from key members in the community etc
  65. [01:35] Disaster Area: although I'm on the good side of a decent enough amount of current OU players
  66. [01:35] eleceus: mega ray wasnt even to op
  67. [01:35] Disaster Area: haunter probably doesn't like me
  68. [01:35] Disaster Area: yah
  69. [01:35] Disaster Area: I agree
  70. [01:35] eleceus: like it was playable
  71. [01:35] eleceus: but high up players didnt like it
  72. [01:35] Disaster Area: yeah
  73. [01:35] eleceus: so they just straight out banned it
  74. [01:35] eleceus: which is dumb
  75. [01:35] Disaster Area: but higher up plaeyrs don't like the current form either
  76. [01:36] Disaster Area: mang this is a good convo I'm gonna have to save a copy lol
  77. [01:36] eleceus: yes
  78. [01:36] eleceus: lol
  79. [01:36] eleceus: they think bannin mega mmence will do anything
  80. [01:36] Disaster Area: everyone's arguing and noone has any data, just theorymonning and hatred =/
  81. [01:37] eleceus: the tier is full of offensive power houses... why dont u just let them be who they are and have a tier full of HO
  82. [01:37] Disaster Area: indeed
  83. [01:37] Disaster Area: and call that ubers
  84. [01:37] Disaster Area: and then let the tier below it
  85. [01:37] Disaster Area: be an attempt at balance
  86. [01:37] Disaster Area: and then do the usual
  87. [01:37] Disaster Area: format
  88. [01:37] Disaster Area: I mean the current ubers list is literally
  89. [01:38] Disaster Area: as large as the current OU one pretty much
  90. [01:38] eleceus: that would be the day i come on showdown knowing if ill battle or not
  91. [01:38] Disaster Area: and half of OU
  92. [01:38] Disaster Area: are legendaries as well
  93. [01:38] Disaster Area: so the 'OP legendaries' stance
  94. [01:38] Disaster Area: sorta falls apart too
  95. [01:38] Disaster Area: like really badly in that place too
  96. [01:38] Disaster Area: even in BW it's hard to make
  97. [01:38] Disaster Area: a legitimate team without legendaries
  98. [01:38] Disaster Area: and if so you're probably using the pseudo's like mence ttar dnite etc
  99. [01:39] Disaster Area: hell haxorus is a pretty strong pseudo-legendary and it's hardly even used
  100. [01:39] eleceus: only way to have more ou mons than legendaries is if ur using stall
  101. [01:39] Disaster Area: lol
  102. [01:39] Disaster Area: I guess rain stall in bw ou you can have
  103. [01:39] Disaster Area: toed/ferro/tenta
  104. [01:39] Disaster Area: and 3 others but
  105. [01:39] eleceus: and stall loses if the opponent knows how to play against it
  106. [01:39] Disaster Area: ye you're really restricted
  107. [01:40] eleceus: tru
  108. [01:40] Disaster Area: I guess sun can achieve it actually though
  109. [01:40] Disaster Area: ninetales/duggy/volca/donphan/xatu/espeon/venusaur/victreebel etc
  110. [01:40] Disaster Area: lots of viable sun mons that aren't legendary
  111. [01:40] Disaster Area: but you usually end up with like
  112. [01:40] Disaster Area: a latias or a heatran or something still
  113. [01:40] Disaster Area: so rip
  114. [01:40] eleceus: in oras u can keep pounding the stall team then like at turn 80 mmence can finally sweep...
  115. [01:41] Disaster Area: either way my current impressions of
  116. [01:41] Disaster Area: pp oras ubers aka oras ou next year ;)
  117. [01:41] Disaster Area: is that it is pretty balanced
  118. [01:41] Disaster Area: i mean I think it'd have to be
  119. [01:41] eleceus: if u make that happen
  120. [01:42] Disaster Area: played a lot more to work out
  121. [01:42] Disaster Area: what's stupid shit in it and what's not
  122. [01:42] eleceus: just grab ppl from this room
  123. [01:42] Disaster Area: it's not as simple as that
  124. [01:42] Disaster Area: smogon has its own bureaucracy =/
  125. [01:42] Disaster Area: and I'm only really well-connected to top gen 1 players and a scattering of those in other tiers
  126. [01:43] eleceus: yes but u can get some more talented players that play oras and i bet they will like a change so they will try it out if u need ppl to play it more
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