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[04:23:21] Adam: Korv are you still here
[04:23:32] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: lying down in a moment why?
[04:23:47] Adam: well I need a brief rundown of the brian v nick thing yesterday
[04:23:58] Adam: because brians unhappy with the outcome really
[04:24:11] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Yeah he's unhappy because he thinks Nick snapped at him which well he probably did but like
[04:24:18] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: It's just the nick vs Brian thing really
[04:24:26] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Brian believes Nick hates him
[04:24:31] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Nick genuinely dislikes Brian
[04:24:43] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: they both had a difference of opinion on whose fault it was last night
[04:25:17] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Neither found common ground so naturally the ground was salt
[04:25:21] Adam: but looking at the logs it was more nick's fault than brian's though
[04:25:33] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: It's irrelevant whose fault it is though
[04:25:41] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: To me, anyway
[04:26:03] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Like ultimately - It's Brian's responsibility to not run ontop of people with flames, cause otherwise I could argue It's ok for me to drop fire on the whole raid too
[04:26:14] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Brian said it was Nick's fault for not moving out of the fire
[04:26:17] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Which ok fair enough it was
[04:26:20] Adam: he didn't run on top of him
[04:26:22] Adam: according to the replay
[04:26:24] Adam: I looked at him
[04:26:30] Adam: he got flames, moved directly backwards to the edge
[04:26:47] Adam: and then paused deciding where to go, decided not to go right for whatever reason so I assume there was fire there, so had to run towards nick
[04:26:49] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Ultimately It's irrelevant, if Brian's fire did indeed kill Nick cause it was placed too close to him
[04:26:53] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: That is Brian AND Nick's fault
[04:26:58] Adam: he didn't run over him or on top, he ran towards him
[04:27:02] Adam: at which point nick should have moved away
[04:27:09] Adam: brian then stopped when the platform edged out again
[04:27:17] Adam: and followed the edge around the back of nick
[04:27:20] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Thing is - Nick was drinking & expected Brian to go far away from him, as he wouldn't expect anyone to put fire on another player
[04:27:24] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: And Brian expected Nick to move
[04:27:29] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: cause brian didn't know Nick was drinking
[04:27:33] Adam: but if it were anyone else what would you say?
[04:27:40] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I'd say It's the same shit
[04:27:40] Adam: if brian had literally nowhere to go
[04:27:48] Adam: would you really blame brian when nick made no attempts to move?
[04:27:50] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Each of them had their own expectations
[04:28:04] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I think they're both at fault
[04:28:04] Adam: but that's irrelevant - when I see someone coming towards me with fire I move out the way
[04:28:07] Adam: that's common sense
[04:28:20] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Unless Nick was obscuring the edge or ANY other place entirely with his positioning
[04:28:25] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I think It's the bearer's fault
[04:28:32] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: as the bearer can navigate where it goes
[04:28:45] Adam: I think you really need to look at the replay thoug
[04:28:48] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Why?
[04:28:50] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I don't care
[04:28:53] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: like they're both at fault in the end
[04:28:56] Adam: no
[04:29:05] Adam: you should look at the replay befor emaking any kind of conclusion on this
[04:29:08] Adam: which is what you just did
[04:29:21] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Why?
[04:29:22] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Again
[04:29:24] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: It doesn't matter
[04:29:24] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: lol
[04:29:40] Adam: if someone comes towards you with fire I don't see how you can see its their fault you died? they have to move out to the edge and you stood still so you died
[04:29:43] Adam: how is that their fault that you didn't move?
[04:29:51] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Like I cba arguing this, I'm tired
[04:29:53] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Why are you arguing it
[04:29:59] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Brian's a bitch who can't handle being insulted or called out
[04:30:04] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Nick despises Brian to some extent
[04:30:14] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: and when Nick dies to x or y he believes z or g
[04:30:19] Adam: dunno I find your conclusion based on the evidence to be surprising is all
[04:30:23] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I don't care
[04:30:25] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: That's really my point
[04:30:28] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: HEaring them argue
[04:30:28] Adam: you should
[04:30:37] Adam: those two arguing could be an issue for us
[04:30:38] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: It's obvious they had a difference of expectation + opinion on the matter
[04:30:45] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: And Brian going "You died to an extremely avoidable mechanic"
[04:30:53] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Was so retarded it made me stop caring : P
[04:30:59] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: If he indeed did place that fire anywhere near Nick
[04:31:00] Adam: how is that incorrect?
[04:31:11] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: then the whole raid died to an extremely avoidable mechanic when I wiped us
[04:31:12] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: eks de
[04:31:21] Adam: no, that's different, because you had fire and made no attempt to move
[04:31:26] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I made an attempt
[04:31:26] Adam: whereas brian did make an attempt to move
[04:31:28] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I moved towards the middle
[04:31:33] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: people got strafed
[04:31:40] Adam: you made an attempt 3 seconds after it came out, either way there's a difference in those two examples too great to compare them
[04:31:45] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: extremely avoidable mechanic
[04:31:46] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: either way
[04:31:48] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: that's what Brian said
[04:31:49] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: rofl
[04:31:59] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: he basically pointed out the bearer has no real responsibility
[04:32:00] Adam: again, the difference is, everyone was stacked up and then you sat there with fire
[04:32:09] Adam: as opposed to everyone being spread and being able to see fire coming towards them
[04:32:14] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I had a lag spike, moved towards middle, melee could see where I was
[04:32:18] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: they kinda just stayed there
[04:32:25] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: extremely avoidable mechanic #brian
[04:32:28] Adam: and the melee attempted to move away
[04:32:40] Adam: you have no argument where that is concerned, but as you say you don't want to get into this so its pointless to continue
[04:32:44] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: ????
[04:32:45] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: ahaha ok
[04:32:45] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: so
[04:32:46] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: so
[04:32:46] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: ok
[04:32:47] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: listen
[04:32:49] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: melee made an attempt
[04:32:49] Adam: you've made a conclusion after not looking at the replay
[04:32:50] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: but died
[04:32:51] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: ok
[04:32:51] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: yeah
[04:32:55] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: so
[04:32:56] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Nick dies
[04:32:58] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: but didn't make an attempt
[04:33:00] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: that makes sense
[04:33:05] Adam: and then when I ask you to look at the replay you tell me you don't care
[04:33:08] Adam: so this conversation goes nowhere
[04:33:08] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I don't : P
[04:33:13] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Because It's Brian vs Nick
[04:33:14] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: again
[04:33:20] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: clashing over a difference in opinion
[04:33:25] Adam: and brian vs nick could harm the guild
[04:33:28] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Brian won't admit to being wrong especially when Nick starts out with "Ur retarded"
[04:33:35] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: And Nick won't let it go cause Brian won't admit he's wrong
[04:33:39] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Like It'll never go anywhere
[04:33:44] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Whether or not Brian is right or wrong, or vice versa
[04:33:45] Adam: brian will admit to his wrong if the evidence is there to support it
[04:33:46] Adam: but it isnt
[04:34:09] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I asked Nick enough times why he's raiding with Brian if he dislikes him so much
[04:34:14] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: and he said It's not a problem for him
[04:34:17] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I'm gonna stick to that
[04:34:37] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Like ultimately my PoV is both are mature enough to either say when they don't want to raid
[04:34:45] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: or when they wanna stop
[04:34:52] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: um or when they don't mind*
[04:35:00] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Not like we can force anything between them
[04:35:13] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Brian is a sensitive person when it comes to the way he sometimes gets called out / attacked W/E
[04:35:19] Adam: Brian also said he felt like you were just generally over him
[04:35:25] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Whom
[04:35:30] Adam: you
[04:35:33] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: About what
[04:35:49] Adam: He said you basically took nick's side or something and were fed up with him complaining
[04:35:57] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I wasn't taking anyone's side
[04:36:01] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I thought it was very funny what he said though
[04:36:08] Adam: I'm paraphrasing so that wont be entirely accurate
[04:36:17] Adam: well in all honesty
[04:36:22] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Before Nick kicked off I was just trolling Brian cause he was like
[04:36:32] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: durr I put in more effort than x y z and I'm great blabla
[04:36:46] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: And I was trolling him trying to get to the point I'll just quit my job and farm m+ like he does
[04:36:50] Adam: the flames really are an easily avoided mechanic and I don't see how you can argue against that. all you have to do to avoid it is literally move out of the way of the person with flames, by definition his statement is correct
[04:36:51] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: then Nick went off and I didn't get to finish my joke
[04:36:54] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: which was sad
[04:37:01] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: But then they started arguing and it was funny again
[04:37:19] Adam: apparently you guys were saying something irrelevant about defining what was meant by spastic
[04:37:29] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Brian was going all
[04:37:32] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Nick called me spastic buhuuu
[04:37:33] Adam: which was academic considering he'd taken it in an offensive way
[04:37:34] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: and I was like
[04:37:41] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Brian, this is completely normal for Danish people when they get annoyed / bothered
[04:37:44] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: Doesn't mean they literally mean it
[04:37:52] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: It's just a phrase we use when venting
[04:37:58] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: retard, spastic, monkey
[04:37:59] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: whatever
[04:38:16] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I was trying to get Brian to instead of hiding behind the
[04:38:18] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: OH HE'S ATTACKED ME
[04:38:24] Adam: yeah but he's not Danish, and that statement is irrelevant. I could use a racist slur against someone and say it's normal for every person of my nationality to say it and its harmless but that doesn't mean it's not harmful to someone
[04:38:35] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: So what we should all sit down and cry about it?
[04:38:41] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: If Brian has the standpoint of
[04:38:48] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: "I'm being attacked without justification"
[04:38:52] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: then he should just have quit the argument
[04:38:54] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: he didn't
[04:38:59] Adam: but the argument was 2 sided
[04:39:03] Adam: why should he quit if he's in the right?
[04:39:08] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: waste of time?
[04:39:11] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: clearly it bothers him
[04:39:20] Adam: I mean you're justifying generic insults
[04:39:28] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I don't see them as insults
[04:39:32] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: I get that others may find them to be
[04:39:34] Adam: that doesn't mean they're not insults
[04:39:36] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: but these 2
[04:39:40] STAY OUT OF IT BALDY: have known eachother for ages