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  2. 2017-6-07
  3. [18:24:20] <Armageddon11> hi crono
  4. [18:24:42] <@SilverCrono> armaaa ~
  5. [18:26:24] <XJR-9> SilverCrono: Pocky suggests no CoJ, TC or AFE as setting
  6. [18:26:34] <XJR-9> I'd actually be okay with TC2, though
  7. [18:27:06] <Armageddon11> because Ekram?
  8. [18:27:09] <@SilverCrono> im fine with that, the only one i think that would fit of those would have been CoJ anyways
  9. [18:27:17] <@SilverCrono> what was the reasoning behind the rejections tho?
  10. [18:31:01] <XJR-9> Armageddon11: I read the backstory of a couple of the sin characters and enjoyed them.
  11. [18:31:46] <XJR-9> So I would not mind a thing with some of them
  12. [18:31:46] <XJR-9> Maybe a prequel
  13. [18:32:33] <@SilverCrono> enbiii~ <3
  14. [18:33:22] <Eight-bit> E N B I I.
  15. [18:42:17] <Eight-bit> i would be super okay with TC2
  16. [18:42:49] <XJR-9> Armageddon11, SilverCrono: Ace suggests we set it in DCI (Sundry)
  17. [18:43:07] <XJR-9> So Sloth/Greed/Envy+one other
  18. [18:47:09] <Armageddon11> ooh
  19. [18:48:40] <XJR-9> Armageddon11, SilverCrono, Eight-bit: tell me about their dynamic
  20. [18:50:57] <Eight-bit> well we have never had a scene with them in TC2 :}
  21. [18:51:09] <Eight-bit> Greed and Sloth have a gentleman's agreement of sorts
  22. [18:51:47] <Eight-bit> ...basically Greed goes around doing Mother's dirty work and filling the quota of Aura/whatever for both of them
  23. [18:52:05] <Eight-bit> and I'm not quite sure what he gets in return from Sloth kek
  24. [18:52:10] <Eight-bit> Probably sweet infos
  25. [18:53:50] <Eight-bit> Envy and Sloth's dynamic consists of Sloth repeatedly taunting/lazily bantering with Envy while she threatens to annihilate him
  26. [18:54:06] <Eight-bit> he also calls her Enbii :} and thus the meme continues
  27. [18:55:18] <XJR-9> What iiiif their bonds to Mother are slackened by the summoning process? How would they react?
  28. [18:55:39] <@SilverCrono> sorry, dinner
  29. [18:55:58] <@SilverCrono> enbii is deliciously bitter and loves 2 backstab
  30. [18:56:28] <@SilverCrono> yet she also has moments of yummy wholesomeness and is kinda easily charmed
  31. [18:56:40] <@SilverCrono> greed creeps her out and sloth is public enemy #1
  32. [18:57:15] <@SilverCrono> XJR-9: wym by "slackened"
  33. [18:57:47] <XJR-9> Loosened, less strong
  34. [18:58:00] <@SilverCrono> wouldnt they become less resilient?
  35. [18:58:08] <@SilverCrono> mother is keeping them "alive" directly with her powers
  36. [18:58:47] <XJR-9> Summoning process magickery
  37. [18:59:14] <Eight-bit> If they retain the same level of powers while being able to get away with more shit under Mother's nose
  38. [18:59:25] <Eight-bit> ...pretty sure all 3 would be more than ok with that.
  39. [18:59:31] <@SilverCrono> they would
  40. [19:00:31] <Eight-bit> a general gambit for all of them in TC2 was "do what is necessary for Mother to keep me alive while finding opportunities to carve out own desires"
  41. [19:00:47] <Eight-bit> they all know they got a second chance at life thanks to Mother
  42. [19:02:14] <XJR-9> Does Mother supernaturally command their loyalty?
  43. [19:02:29] <XJR-9> Or is it just "you're alive because of me",
  44. [19:02:31] <XJR-9> ?
  45. [19:03:15] <Eight-bit> Like, is she able to snap her fingers and automatically bend them to her will?
  46. [19:03:21] <@SilverCrono> she does have some control over them
  47. [19:03:30] <@SilverCrono> since some of them would run wild if not controlled
  48. [19:03:33] <@SilverCrono> eg wrath and gluttony
  49. [19:03:43] <@SilverCrono> i dont think its on the level of full mind control tho
  50. [19:03:51] <Eight-bit> I think we had it set up so that Mother is very weak at the onset of TC. She's the source material for the CoS, but she actually depends on them to feed her Aura
  51. [19:03:54] <XJR-9> If she has some sort of supernatural power over their minds/loyalty yee
  52. [19:05:35] <Eight-bit> I think it would require some effort on her part to exert control; it wouldn't be a permanent thing
  53. [19:05:45] <Eight-bit> maybe is proximity based
  54. [19:05:53] <Eight-bit> not like a omniscient hive mind
  55. [19:06:18] <XJR-9> Mm, what if they could possibly survive without Mother in DCI world?
  56. [19:06:18] <@SilverCrono> <s>command seals</s>
  57. [19:06:24] <XJR-9> They are unsure of limits
  58. [19:06:36] <XJR-9> Also why is this FMA? >>
  59. [19:08:22] <@SilverCrono> 8}
  60. [19:08:29] <Eight-bit> why do you think :}c
  61. [19:09:05] <Eight-bit> Speaking for Sloth he would probably want to make 100% sure that he is actually surviving without Mother
  62. [19:09:14] <Eight-bit> don't rock the boat
  63. [19:26:37] <@SilverCrono> ok gonna go play persona for a bit
  64. [19:26:43] <@SilverCrono> be back in a few hours to write
  65. 2017-6-08
  66. [00:28:04] <@SilverCrono> im back bitch
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  70. [00:30:28] <Eight-bit> AND BETTAH THAN EVER
  71. [00:31:42] <@SilverCrono> yes.
  72. [00:31:49] <@SilverCrono> bc i have ramen and zesty spanish drink with me.
  73. [00:31:53] <@SilverCrono> and im here 2 write.
  74. [00:40:13] <XJR-9> SilverCrono, Eight-bit: Possible storyline of Envy/Sloth/Greed planning on obtaining large amounts of Aura from [something], whilst dealing with thoughts of possibly breaking free of Mother in DCI world?
  75. [00:40:39] <XJR-9> What if they contemplated taking all that delicious Aura for themselves? :3c
  76. [00:41:15] <@NeoZEROX> Any reason why just those three?
  77. [00:42:18] <XJR-9> Don't want too big a story.
  78. [00:47:11] <@NeoZEROX> Okay
  79. [00:47:35] <@SilverCrono> sounds bucci
  80. [00:47:52] <@SilverCrono> whomst will u be controlling, yuany?
  81. [00:48:58] <Eight-bit> ohohohohoho
  82. [00:49:11] <Eight-bit> sounds like a steal :>
  83. [00:50:22] <XJR-9> SilverCrono, Eight-bit: Would you prefer Keruziel or Nam Mo?
  84. [00:50:32] <@SilverCrono> ._.
  85. [00:50:38] <XJR-9> Keruziel would be kind of a horror story, aha. I don't think she'd take kindly to the CoS.
  86. [00:50:42] <@SilverCrono> i... i think keru would wipe everyone out instantly
  87. [00:50:48] <XJR-9> So that will influence tone a lot.
  88. [00:50:53] <@SilverCrono> ooooo wait
  89. [00:50:58] <Eight-bit> Keru would be Bad End
  90. [00:50:59] <@SilverCrono> tangent idea
  91. [00:51:06] <Eight-bit> Nan Mo might be more... reflect on your situation!
  92. [00:51:26] <@SilverCrono> what if somehow keru got injured and needs [energy here] to survive
  93. [00:51:56] <@SilverCrono> the CoS stumble upon her and are about to leave / kill her but she bribes them - if they help her by gathering [energy - aura?], she can help them separate from mother
  94. [00:51:59] <@SilverCrono> and not kill them
  95. [00:52:03] <@SilverCrono> do angels bribe or bargain idk
  96. [00:52:15] <@SilverCrono> then [plot]
  97. [00:53:24] <XJR-9> That plot might actually work for Nam Mo.
  98. [00:53:44] <XJR-9> Since I think her magic could work to sever them from Mother.
  99. [00:53:48] <XJR-9> And she would certainly be keen to sever CoS from sin.
  100. [00:54:32] <Eight-bit> oh, so Nan Mo considers Mother the root of the sin?
  101. [00:54:37] <@SilverCrono> ooo even better
  102. [00:54:42] <Eight-bit> and would be willing to see a chance for the CoS?
  103. [01:00:56] <XJR-9> Eight-bit: Nam Mo sees redemption for everyone
  104. [01:01:04] <XJR-9> she is literally an avatar of compassion
  105. [01:01:04] <Eight-bit> OK SO
  106. [01:01:18] <Eight-bit> we will go with tanget idea and Nan Mo :}
  107. [01:01:19] <Eight-bit> yuan bb
  108. [01:01:19] <Eight-bit> these are some bad kids
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  120. [01:03:40] <@NeoZEROX> Would like reason why other three are exclude, though might understand why Pride and Wrath is, though with Wrath could use more work on
  121. [01:03:46] NeoZEROX stair at Cluna
  122. [01:04:07] <Cluna> What?
  123. [01:04:16] <Eight-bit> because we are writing a condensed story
  124. [01:04:17] <@NeoZEROX> You know what
  125. [01:04:51] <XJR-9> Eight-bit: Infinite forgiveness~
  126. [01:05:15] <XJR-9> Nam Mo would not see Mother as the root of their sin
  127. [01:05:24] <XJR-9> But as a kind of attachment they need to move forward from
  128. [01:05:41] <XJR-9> So the way her magic work is via mandala
  129. [01:05:59] <XJR-9> A mandala has four gates in it. The outermost is the world; the innermost is the self.
  130. [01:06:19] <XJR-9> And the two in-between are the links between those
  131. [01:06:33] <XJR-9> So ideally, she would make a gate with Mother as outermost, CoS as innermost.
  132. [01:06:38] <XJR-9> And modify it somehow.
  133. [01:07:09] <Eight-bit> do the links need someone to personify them, as well?
  134. [01:10:02] <XJR-9> Nope.
  135. [01:10:26] <XJR-9> They are mind/perception/body etc.
  136. [01:10:40] <XJR-9> Probably magic/energy will fit there as well
  137. [01:14:41] <XJR-9> Eight-bit, Silversey: The question is: how much do we want to affect CoS's fate in DCI?
  138. [01:14:51] <XJR-9> Do we want to do something permanent...?
  139. [01:15:45] <Eight-bit> wynaut?
  140. [01:17:21] <Eight-bit> just set it in a "later cycle"
  141. [01:17:35] <Eight-bit> so any other stuff that needs to happen with mother and the kids can still happen
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  152. [01:19:31] <@SilverCrono> yah what 8bit said
  153. [01:19:46] <XJR-9> Ohohoho
  154. [01:19:47] <XJR-9> I am glad
  155. [01:19:51] <XJR-9> Not afraid to rock the boat~
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  157. [01:20:09] <XJR-9> I was thinking maybe they were going to harvest Nam Mo for Aura
  158. [01:20:18] <XJR-9> But decide to try to use her abilities instead
  159. [01:22:14] <Eight-bit> so I'm guessign Nam Mo would having quite a lot of magical energy, yiss?
  160. [01:22:21] <Eight-bit> and a decent amount of control over it as well
  161. [01:22:31] <XJR-9> Yes
  162. [01:22:38] <XJR-9> Especially since she is deliberately repressing it.
  163. [01:22:39] <@SilverCrono> ohohohoror9oroho
  164. [01:23:21] <XJR-9> So her conflict will be whether her compassion towards evil children or desire to not use her abilities wins
  165. [01:24:16] <Eight-bit> mm~
  166. [01:24:28] <Eight-bit> what would happen if she became unable to repress it~
  167. [01:24:45] <XJR-9> She would probably attempt to seal herself away.
  168. [01:25:14] <Eight-bit> which means that all that magical would be unstable?
  169. [01:25:18] <Eight-bit> magical energyJ*
  170. [01:25:30] <Eight-bit> would it begin to increase exponentially compared to the repressed, condensed version?
  171. [01:25:43] <XJR-9> Hm, her decision not to use it is more due to guilt/desire to live a different life than a matter of control.
  172. [01:26:07] <XJR-9> But if she could be convinced to draw a gate poorly, for example
  173. [01:26:13] <XJR-9> Things would get out of control very, very quickly
  174. [01:26:31] <@SilverCrono> like, insta-death out of control? or collapse of sundry out of control
  175. [01:27:04] <XJR-9> Her self warps the world.
  176. [01:27:11] <@SilverCrono> so, the latter... yikes
  177. [01:27:13] <XJR-9> So whatever she is feeling/experiencing --> surroundings.
  178. [01:27:55] <Eight-bit> what's the reach of that?
  179. [01:28:00] <Eight-bit> radius of surroundings?
  180. [01:29:48] <XJR-9> Depends just how bad she is feeling 8D
  181. [01:29:51] <XJR-9> And how long she has been bottling it up
  182. [01:30:20] <XJR-9> Which would be, mm
  183. [01:30:23] <XJR-9> 7-8 years
  184. [01:31:36] <@SilverCrono> ._.
  185. [01:31:44] <@SilverCrono> so... bad end
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  189. [01:53:31] <XJR-9> SilverCrono, Eight-bit: if you are plotting for one of the CoS to trick Nam Mo to release a lot of Aura
  190. [01:53:32] <XJR-9> ...then yes, that is certainly a thing that could happen
  191. [01:55:03] <Eight-bit> kak
  192. [01:55:05] <Eight-bit> although
  193. [01:55:12] <Eight-bit> we will see if that will even work
  194. [01:55:16] <Eight-bit> but I it would be considered :}
  195. [01:55:21] <Eight-bit> i think*II
  196. [01:56:02] <@SilverCrono> yes. YEEEEs.
  197. [01:57:16] <XJR-9> And then Keru turns up and kills everyone.
  198. [01:57:18] <XJR-9> The. End.
  199. [01:58:44] <@SilverCrono> uh... ._.
  200. [01:58:49] <@SilverCrono> no good end?
  201. [02:06:00] <Eight-bit> do you want to give enbii a good end?
  202. [02:06:23] <@SilverCrono> she doesnt deserve one
  203. [02:06:26] <@SilverCrono> but i wanna give her one.
  204. [02:07:24] <XJR-9> Good ends are permitted :]
  205. [02:07:24] <XJR-9> Aunty deserves a good end, at least
  206. [02:07:24] <XJR-9> (all hail birb)
  207. [02:07:24] <Eight-bit> i mean
  208. [02:07:24] <Eight-bit> in TC2 they're probably going to get
  209. [02:07:36] <Eight-bit> liquidated.
  210. [02:07:42] <@SilverCrono> oh yeah definitely
  211. [02:07:44] <XJR-9> oh
  212. [02:07:44] <@SilverCrono> :/
  213. [02:07:46] <XJR-9> rippu
  214. [02:07:48] <Eight-bit> so
  215. [02:07:52] <Eight-bit> in DCI~
  216. [02:08:01] <Eight-bit> we can aim for something less liquefied :D
  217. [02:08:16] <@NeoZEROX> fufufu
  218. [02:08:16] <XJR-9> What good ends are possible in DCI other than "join LumSoc, we have bathtubs and ice cream"?
  219. [02:08:54] <Cluna> Heh
  220. [02:10:54] <Eight-bit> I request inclusion of April in this storyline pls :>
  221. [02:11:01] <XJR-9> Ohoho~
  222. [02:11:01] <XJR-9> Sure
  223. [02:11:30] <XJR-9> April is a busy woman
  224. [02:11:49] <@SilverCrono> she really is... too bad alex is better
  225. [02:12:02] <Eight-bit> must keep all social links up~
  226. [02:12:07] <Eight-bit> f i g h t i n g w o r d s
  227. [02:12:11] <XJR-9> Yeah, but Alex is a bit dead during events of TT
  228. [02:12:13] <XJR-9> So :P
  229. [02:12:22] <@SilverCrono> :{
  230. [02:13:09] <@SilverCrono> i tried to think if any of my chars had good ends in DCI
  231. [02:13:11] <@SilverCrono> i failed
  232. [02:14:06] <XJR-9> SilverCrono: Vainia gets good end with TT pls
  233. [02:14:11] <XJR-9> friendship!
  234. [02:14:30] <@SilverCrono> true!
  235. [02:14:37] <@SilverCrono> but then she goes back to DCI to get rekt
  236. [02:15:59] <@SilverCrono> >_>
  237. [02:17:33] <Eight-bit> because
  238. [02:17:41] <Eight-bit> gotta kill that god
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  249. [02:26:00] <XJR-9> Eight-bit, SilverCrono: would being free of Mother be considered a "good" end for the CoS?
  250. [02:26:11] <@SilverCrono> if they get to survive, yeah
  251. [02:26:28] <@SilverCrono> but im pretty sure they would only have finite lives after she's gone
  252. [02:26:42] <@NeoZEROX> Honestly only way be free from her is death
  253. [02:27:09] <@NeoZEROX> Their body is create from Mother herself it just shell holding their aura
  254. [02:28:07] <XJR-9> Summoning process could mess that up~
  255. [02:29:12] <@NeoZEROX> They're were pretty much summon herself, least how I see it
  256. [02:30:01] <@NeoZEROX> Then again who you care what I say, not like asking me who know more how CoS work anyway. >>
  257. [02:30:14] <Eight-bit> They would have to accept a mortal life
  258. [02:30:23] <Eight-bit> idk, would they be "human" again?
  259. [02:30:28] <Eight-bit> what would be left of them?
  260. [02:30:37] <XJR-9> NeoZEROX: I was actually wondering why you weren't responding when we were talking about CoS
  261. [02:30:43] <XJR-9> I figured you were trying A12S or something.
  262. [02:31:00] <@NeoZEROX> It bit late now try it
  263. [02:31:16] <XJR-9> Nam Mo could theoretically construct a body for them, but it would beyond what she is willing to do currently
  264. [02:31:30] <XJR-9> + she sees no problem in helping them move on from this life
  265. [02:31:36] <XJR-9> She would actually consider that a possibly good thing
  266. [02:31:56] <Eight-bit> "move on from this life"
  267. [02:32:01] <Eight-bit> that is very vauge :>
  268. [02:32:13] <@NeoZEROX> Also you never really ping me I just now sit down to really be part the chat
  269. [02:32:17] <XJR-9> Setting their spirits free to reincarnate :]
  270. [02:32:30] <XJR-9> Would be +++ in Nam Mo's eyes
  271. [02:33:55] <XJR-9> NeoZEROX: Sorry, I was under the impression that you follow ##ursoul closely
  272. [02:34:01] <XJR-9> So I figured you were busy or not interested
  273. [02:34:43] <@NeoZEROX> I play XIV on different lap and at most I'm looking at channel me and Cluna have or her PM
  274. [02:35:02] <@NeoZEROX> *laptop
  275. [02:35:37] <@NeoZEROX> I notice you talking about before but still doing things in XIV and just ask few question
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  277. [02:36:35] <@NeoZEROX> Was wonder why you only focus on those three but I just figure Pride and Wrath are too far gone and Lust well, DSS just hard with with so just pass up as oka
  278. [02:37:18] <XJR-9> NeoZEROX: well, it was following on from what Xeps was saying yesterday
  279. [02:37:30] <XJR-9> Our collabs often peter our due to sheer scale
  280. [02:37:37] <XJR-9> we always try for epics with loads of characters
  281. [02:37:44] <XJR-9> But a lot of people do much smaller RP stories
  282. [02:37:56] <XJR-9> So I thought it would be cool to aim for a 3-4 chapter collab
  283. [02:38:00] <XJR-9> With fewer authors
  284. [02:40:32] <@NeoZEROX> Yeah but you take something I originally create from start
  285. [02:41:23] <@NeoZEROX> I just allow people other create member of CoS so I could easily focus one and end up being two because no one want Gluttony
  286. [02:42:21] <XJR-9> Do you not wish people to use the CoS, then :?
  287. [02:42:59] <@NeoZEROX> I'm not saying that, but could ask me for more info about Mother and CoS
  288. [02:43:54] <@NeoZEROX> Just ignore me, being bit emotional atm
  289. [02:44:59] <XJR-9> Uh
  290. [02:45:05] <XJR-9> You are welcome to offer information
  291. [02:45:12] <XJR-9> I just didn't think you were interested by your silence
  292. [02:51:09] <XJR-9> Sorry .__.
  293. [02:52:48] <@NeoZEROX> Well it not like just stair at channel, ursoul mostly dead and soon Cluna on my focus on what we're doing plus either playing XIV or bashing my fucking skull to write something
  294. [02:56:17] <XJR-9> What do you wish to tell us about, then :?
  295. [02:57:58] <@SilverCrono> pls tell us neo, we dont want to exclude u
  296. [03:00:43] <@NeoZEROX> Pretty told you, CoS are mainly just their Aura using Crystal body create by Mother, because this Mother is bit weaken having create this body for them, she can easily take way their body if they try go against her, but feel most them really don't want to live again so their bodies is mostly a prison to them
  297. [03:02:56] <@NeoZEROX> Expect for Pride, she pretty want just uses others CoS and try use them to overthorne Mother so she can do her own thing
  298. [03:05:02] <@SilverCrono> what would happen to mother if the CoS were free of the bodies she made them?
  299. [03:05:22] <@NeoZEROX> Well they're dead again
  300. [03:05:36] <@NeoZEROX> their original bodies are long gone
  301. [03:05:41] <Eight-bit> there's no way around that?
  302. [03:06:03] <Eight-bit> Mother preserved the CoS's Aura/soul/whatever and made a new physical body for them, is that correct?
  303. [03:06:14] <@NeoZEROX> If someone is willing give up their body for them to have then yeah, but this mean this person also would die
  304. [03:06:26] <@NeoZEROX> Some gonna die either way
  305. [03:06:43] <XJR-9> The question is: what would happen to Mother?
  306. [03:06:55] <XJR-9> Because theoretically, Nam Mo could create a body for them.
  307. [03:07:33] <@NeoZEROX> At most Mother lose bit power from losing their Aura
  308. [03:07:54] <@NeoZEROX> Mother power is mainly due how much Aura she collected
  309. [03:08:37] <@NeoZEROX> She start off weakly but over years show grown collection Aura of the dead
  310. [03:08:49] <XJR-9> SilverCrono: "The second planet in the Successor system, and the system's largest planet (20X larger than Terra). Boasts a red-maroon sky due to its proximity to the Elder Star, and has nights much longer than its days."
  311. [03:08:53] <XJR-9> how does this work pls?
  312. [03:09:03] <@NeoZEROX> Who that too?
  313. [03:09:12] <XJR-9> Like if it's night at X point on the planet, it's day at Y point opposite to X, right?
  314. [03:09:19] <XJR-9> So a long night would mean long day on the other side?
  315. [03:10:14] <@SilverCrono> yeah
  316. [03:10:20] <@SilverCrono> idk science
  317. [03:10:27] <@SilverCrono> i went full fantasy world lol
  318. [03:10:36] <@SilverCrono> am actually working on more stuff for that now :o
  319. [03:10:59] <XJR-9> Well, if it's like the Discworld with a tiny sun
  320. [03:11:02] <XJR-9> It could work :P
  321. [03:11:04] <@SilverCrono> NeoZEROX: if mother made the bodies for the CoS, and they got new bodies, would she get her power back since she isnt providing for them anymore?
  322. [03:12:59] <@NeoZEROX> She gain power back from using Crystal bodies yes but still she lost usage of their Aura
  323. [03:13:20] <XJR-9> I think Nam Mo would be more likely to twist the Crystal body away from Mother's influence, rather than creating something wholesale.
  324. [03:13:25] <XJR-9> She's not a god, by any stretch.
  325. [03:15:14] <@NeoZEROX> Also Pride would make excuse to kill them herself to take their power if they seem try to go against Mother
  326. [03:15:42] <Eight-bit> i am sleep
  327. [03:15:54] <Eight-bit> juicy discush
  328. [03:15:58] <Eight-bit> adios
  329. [03:16:01] <@NeoZEROX> o/
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  331. [03:16:42] <XJR-9> Who says Pride has to know? :3
  332. [03:16:56] <@NeoZEROX> She keep close eye on them
  333. [03:17:22] <XJR-9> This is in Sundry, though
  334. [03:17:25] <XJR-9> Not TC2 world
  335. [03:17:33] <XJR-9> So potentially they are not in contact
  336. [03:18:38] <@NeoZEROX> In that way yeah, Pride would be more focus on Cynthia and April and try to erase them
  337. [03:19:54] <XJR-9> Also, I did not know you created CoS
  338. [03:19:54] <@SilverCrono> hm, still, pride final boss
  339. [03:20:12] <XJR-9> So I just asked creators of the CoS I was interested in
  340. [03:20:50] <@NeoZEROX> It idea I have for first story me and Cluna work on
  341. [03:20:53] <XJR-9> Mmm, I would probably prefer not to have Pride in it
  342. [03:21:17] <@NeoZEROX> Which Mother was their just different version of her
  343. [03:21:28] <XJR-9> For reasons of scale
  344. [03:21:54] <@NeoZEROX> I want create group antagonist base on Deadly Sins
  345. [03:22:06] <@NeoZEROX> I thought because she another one mien boring characters
  346. [03:23:05] <XJR-9> No, just want to keep the story sleek
  347. [03:23:12] <XJR-9> And because Pride is your character
  348. [03:24:11] <@NeoZEROX> Because all mine are trash I know
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  356. [03:25:57] <XJR-9> So it would be weird to write a story where Pride takes a major role without you.
  357. [03:25:58] <@NeoZEROX> But you're using Mother
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  360. 2017-6-09
  361. [03:07:14] <@SilverCrono> ohohohororhorho
  362. [03:07:16] <@SilverCrono> let it begin.
  363. [03:07:22] <@SilverCrono> im done writing for tonight
  364. [03:14:05] <XJR-9> SilverCrono: I just finished work
  365. [03:14:19] <@SilverCrono> perfect timing! :D hope u had a good day
  366. [03:14:34] <XJR-9> I also wish to tentatively suggest the title "A Prayer for [Your] Sin"
  367. [03:15:06] <@SilverCrono> i like
  368. [03:15:59] <XJR-9> I'm walking, so it's a bit hard to copy and paste
  369. [03:16:28] <XJR-9> So I was thinking that our skeleton would be:
  370. [03:16:29] <XJR-9> Chapter 1: intro of the three (probably whinging about Pride giving them work or general set-up of how they function on Sundry) + capturing Nam Mo
  371. [03:16:29] <XJR-9> Chapter 4: climax with betrayal of Nam Mo and/or success + what happens to CoS after (IF THERE IS AN AFTER)
  372. [03:16:51] <@SilverCrono> what of 2 and 3? undecided?
  373. [03:16:53] <XJR-9> So that gives us two chapters to play around with CoS/Nam Mo internal conflict and getting to know each other
  374. [03:17:00] <@SilverCrono> i seeee
  375. [03:17:06] <@SilverCrono> sounds good to me, short and sweet
  376. [03:17:17] <XJR-9> Plus plotting of what to do with Nam Mo's ability / Aura
  377. [03:18:24] <XJR-9> Nam Mo is actually pretty weak combat-wise
  378. [03:18:33] <XJR-9> Her ability is more utility
  379. [03:18:56] <XJR-9> So she'll essentially be at the mercy of the CoS
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  381. [03:19:31] <@SilverCrono> oh wow
  382. [03:19:38] <@SilverCrono> does she tell them about how powerful she can be?
  383. [03:19:52] <XJR-9> Nope~
  384. [03:19:55] <@SilverCrono> oop
  385. [03:20:01] <@SilverCrono> zesty >:}
  386. [03:20:35] <XJR-9> Nam Mo's defences, in order:
  387. [03:20:35] <XJR-9> 1) "Hello. I'm a perfectly ordinary nun and this is my barn owl."
  388. [03:20:35] <XJR-9> 2) Run away
  389. [03:20:35] <XJR-9> 3) "...tea?"
  390. [03:21:15] <@SilverCrono> almost as bad as iae and science lmfao
  391. [03:21:32] <@SilverCrono> would you be able to write something small about / from the perspective of Nam Mo before this?
  392. [03:21:42] <XJR-9> Yee
  393. [03:21:45] <@SilverCrono> we all (well, except u) have a good grip on the CoS
  394. [03:22:03] <@SilverCrono> but Nam Mo hasnt been written yet besides gameplay, so it's kind of difficult for me to imagine her fully
  395. [03:22:06] <@SilverCrono> if that makes sense
  396. [03:22:09] <XJR-9> She's actually pretty different to Iae in action
  397. [03:22:17] <XJR-9> But similar plight
  398. [03:23:29] <XJR-9> We were talking about her similarities to Sloth, actually
  399. [03:24:09] <@SilverCrono> oh?
  400. [03:24:16] <@SilverCrono> theyll get along well lmfao
  401. [03:24:22] <@SilverCrono> ...which means enbii will be antagonistic, gg
  402. [03:26:56] <XJR-9> Yeeep
  403. [03:27:33] <XJR-9> Which is what I wanted to talk to you about
  404. [03:27:49] <XJR-9> Since Nam Mo's magic is via mandalas and the inner gate is the self
  405. [03:28:01] <XJR-9> She will need to understand the CoS to work with them
  406. [03:28:27] <@SilverCrono> makes sense
  407. [03:28:35] <XJR-9> Which means the CoS must confront their issues and past to know their selves
  408. [03:29:17] <@SilverCrono> envy, as her name implies, led a life ravaged by jealousy, mostly to her older sister
  409. [03:29:41] <@SilverCrono> she loved her sister, who was her only adult figure / guardian after the TC war ruined their community and took their parents
  410. [03:30:16] <@SilverCrono> but she had a complex where she felt inferior and indebted to her sister (who was very pretty and obviously worked very hard to provide for the both of them)
  411. [03:31:07] <@SilverCrono> this mounted to envy trying to grow up too fast and become really independent, and even to go after her sister's boyfriend, both to strike against her sister by proving she was better and also to prove herself as an adult equal to her sister
  412. [03:31:31] <@SilverCrono> eventually it worked, she got pregnant, her sister found out and was horrified by the truth, envy in an act of guilt tried to abort and died from it in a gutter
  413. [03:31:44] <@SilverCrono> soooo... yeah
  414. [03:32:52] <XJR-9> So she would have to admit that and come to terms with it for Nam Mo to be able to work with her~
  415. [03:32:53] <@SilverCrono> i guess surmounting this trauma would require (1) enbii accepting herself as not yet grown, (2) enbii accepting that she was wrong for yearning in such a way, even if their world *was* unfair, and (3) enbii accepting herself as an individual of her own merits, and no longer trying to become the perfect image of her sister
  416. [03:32:57] <@SilverCrono> yea
  417. [03:33:33] <XJR-9> The question is whether you can allow this
  418. [03:34:07] <XJR-9> Because I was thinking it would work for someone to be the traitor and try to take Nam Mo's Aura and prevent her/other CoS from succeeding
  419. [03:34:30] <XJR-9> It could be envy of Sloth managing something with Nam Mo
  420. [03:34:42] <XJR-9> Or it could be greed for all that delicious Aura
  421. [03:34:45] <XJR-9> ~
  422. [03:35:56] <@SilverCrono> hmm
  423. [03:36:02] <@SilverCrono> envy would likely do that
  424. [03:36:12] <@SilverCrono> shed rather take the easy way out than to face her faults like this
  425. [03:40:02] <XJR-9> But you are tempted to give her a good end?
  426. [03:40:55] <@SilverCrono> t-tempted
  427. [03:41:33] <XJR-9> Giving Sloth a chance to save Nam Mo would be nice~
  428. [03:41:39] <XJR-9> Created by Envy's actions
  429. [03:41:48] <XJR-9> So she doesn't necessarily doom everything
  430. [03:41:59] <@SilverCrono> ooo, now thats a nice possibility
  431. [03:42:05] <@SilverCrono> i liek
  432. [03:43:09] <XJR-9> So she could have more of a neutral to good end.
  433. [03:43:46] <XJR-9> As for Nam Mo/Sloth's similarities
  434. [03:44:18] <XJR-9> Nam Mo also made a grievous error in her youth, which makes her extremely reluctant now to act.
  435. [03:45:05] <XJR-9> She is fatalism masquerading as contentment. She tries to drift through life, acting lazily and simply
  436. [03:45:15] <@SilverCrono> will this be elaborated in story? :o touching reveal, perhaps?
  437. [03:45:44] <XJR-9> ...if by touching you mean the reveal is she accidentally killed a whole bunch of people
  438. [03:45:55] <@SilverCrono> ...*chilling
  439. [03:45:58] <@SilverCrono> chilling reveal
  440. [03:45:59] <@SilverCrono> <_>
  441. [03:46:03] <XJR-9> Haha
  442. [03:46:28] <XJR-9> So she is very reluctant to act now because her youthful pride and arrogance caused so much destruction
  443. [03:46:44] <XJR-9> She also lost her entire identity and what she was brought up for
  444. [03:47:09] <@SilverCrono> but these evil kids are bringing her to compassionate action again ~
  445. [03:47:11] <XJR-9> Nam Mo's indolence is about others; Sloth's is because he doesn't want to be hurt again
  446. [03:47:26] <@SilverCrono> mm, that is a very important distinction. i like that
  447. [03:47:34] <@SilverCrono> and im glad we chose nam mo
  448. [03:47:41] <XJR-9> Yee. Nam Mo is moved easily by suffering, even by people as despicable as the CoS
  449. [03:47:51] <XJR-9> She focuses outwards; Sloth focuses inwards
  450. [03:48:44] <@SilverCrono> i cannot wait to see them all together! all these yummy personalities
  451. [03:48:47] <XJR-9> I think perhaps they would have difficulty understanding each other, but their plights will illuminate the possibility of different choices. Different ways to see a situation.
  452. [03:48:59] <XJR-9> So Sloth has best chance of Good End
  453. [03:49:48] <@SilverCrono> if she wasnt so damned backstabbing, envy would have a chance, too :/
  454. [03:50:11] <@SilverCrono> (also, u will be pleased by this http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/Enbii )
  455. [03:51:07] <XJR-9> Kek
  456. [03:51:54] <XJR-9> Nam Mo's backstory is that she was once considered the incarnation of a bodhisattva of mercy
  457. [03:52:07] <XJR-9> Like the Dalai Lama and other tulku lines
  458. [03:52:30] <@SilverCrono> and she actually *is*, i assume, considering all that power
  459. [03:52:43] <XJR-9> So she was groomed from childhood for that role
  460. [03:54:00] <XJR-9> She was exceedingly good at mandala manipulation in a very intuitive way
  461. [03:54:19] <XJR-9> So she saw at around 14-15 that the ancient mandalas of the temple could be improved
  462. [03:54:29] <XJR-9> Tried to modify it
  463. [03:54:42] <XJR-9> Resulting in the collapse of part of the temple, killing scores of people
  464. [03:55:04] <@SilverCrono> ._.
  465. [03:55:11] <@SilverCrono> shit...
  466. [03:55:43] <XJR-9> So they told her they had chosen wrongly, and it was her little sister who was the incarnation
  467. [03:56:12] <XJR-9> Exiled her forever from her homeland and told her to find her redemption
  468. [03:56:19] <@SilverCrono> holy shit
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  470. [03:57:14] <XJR-9> They didn't mean to be cruel, but they didn't give her much guidance on how to do that
  471. [03:57:35] <XJR-9> So that's part of why she is so reluctant to be who she once was
  472. [03:58:05] <XJR-9> Since she's arrived at the conclusion that being a simple nun is the way to redemption
  473. [03:58:14] <XJR-9> Or at least, has tried to
  474. [03:58:35] <XJR-9> Her aunty was one of the people who died. That is why the owl is with her now.
  475. [04:00:31] <@SilverCrono> her auntie is the owl?
  476. [04:00:54] <XJR-9> Possibly~
  477. [04:00:57] <@SilverCrono> reincarnated?
  478. [04:01:10] <@SilverCrono> i see. we discussed this ~
  479. [04:01:29] <XJR-9> Either that or Nam Mo is just projecting due to her extreme guilt
  480. [04:01:34] <XJR-9> And the owl is just an owl
  481. [04:01:57] <@SilverCrono> aww but thats no fun
  482. [04:03:30] <XJR-9> It is her aunty.
  483. [04:03:36] <XJR-9> I just want it to be ambiguous
  484. [04:05:27] <@SilverCrono> hehe i know how that feels, ambiguity is fun
  485. [04:06:15] <XJR-9> Nam Mo also is the incarnation
  486. [04:06:28] <XJR-9> But she has partially convinced herself that she isn't
  487. [04:06:50] <XJR-9> Hence the whole "I am a simple wandering nun" thing
  488. [04:09:47] <@SilverCrono> niiiice
  489. [04:09:50] <@SilverCrono> i like her lots
  490. [04:10:03] <@SilverCrono> is her name never separated? its always just nam mo?
  491. [04:12:16] <XJR-9> Yee
  492. [04:12:32] <@SilverCrono> okie dokie
  493. [04:12:32] <XJR-9> She doesn't use her family name
  494. [04:12:42] <@SilverCrono> for understandable reasons
  495. [04:13:50] <XJR-9> Like how my name is Yuan Cheui San in characters
  496. [04:13:53] <XJR-9> *Yuen
  497. [04:14:37] <XJR-9> She is Lien Nam Mo
  498. [04:15:42] <XJR-9> I mean, my family calls me San-San or A-San...but that's not how you refer to strangers, aha
  499. [04:15:45] <@SilverCrono> i dont think ive ever seen ur whole name before
  500. [04:15:46] <@SilverCrono> nice
  501. [04:16:00] <@SilverCrono> fae calls u that too :o
  502. [04:16:08] <XJR-9> Yuanchosaan was my bad 10 year old romanisation of it, aha
  503. [04:16:11] <@SilverCrono> i always thought it was "san", then -san bc japanese honorifics
  504. [04:16:28] <XJR-9> Nah, it's a nickname transformation for kids
  505. [04:16:36] <XJR-9> So I call my sister Xin-Xin
  506. [04:17:42] <XJR-9> The cousins refer to me as San-San jiejie.
  507. [04:17:48] <XJR-9> Jie meaning older sister.
  508. [04:17:59] <XJR-9> Chinese like their doubling. :]
  509. [04:18:36] <XJR-9> My sister...just calls me jie because she's lazy (her words)
  510. [04:20:50] <@SilverCrono> lmfao
  511. [04:21:02] <@SilverCrono> my whole family calls me popi
  512. [04:21:19] <@SilverCrono> idk why, all i know is that they called my great-grandfather that, too
  513. [04:21:29] <@SilverCrono> and my grandpa, who is the oldest of like 9 kid
  514. [04:21:30] <@SilverCrono> s
  515. [04:21:39] <@SilverCrono> i think its just a term for the oldest kid
  516. [04:23:02] <XJR-9> My mum is Dai Jie
  517. [04:23:11] <XJR-9> Big [big sister]
  518. [04:23:28] <XJR-9> Or eldest older sister
  519. [04:26:35] <@SilverCrono> oh wow, thats interesting
  520. [04:26:49] <@SilverCrono> i mean, technically? moms are just rly older half-sisters
  521. [04:26:50] <@SilverCrono> ._.;
  522. [04:27:15] <XJR-9> Lol, that is to her siblings
  523. [04:27:31] <@SilverCrono> oh >>;
  524. [04:27:41] <@SilverCrono> makes more sense <<
  525. [04:27:46] <XJR-9> But even my grandaunts think of her like that
  526. [04:27:51] <XJR-9> My mum is Big Sis
  527. [04:28:31] <XJR-9> Do you prefer "A Prayer For Sin" or "A Prayer For Your Sin"?
  528. [04:28:43] <@SilverCrono> the latter
  529. [04:32:10] <@SilverCrono> ahh, its been so fulfilling to write kos again
  530. [04:32:20] <XJR-9> ;]
  531. [04:32:24] <@SilverCrono> even tho half of my thoughts for the series are all the edits i want to do
  532. [04:32:31] <XJR-9> You are balancing your projects well!
  533. [04:32:32] <@SilverCrono> its nice to get closer to its ending
  534. [04:32:45] <@SilverCrono> yah, i didnt think id finish 53 tonight... i gotta get back to CQ soon
  535. [04:32:46] <XJR-9> Scathe started talking to me about writing last night
  536. [04:32:49] <@SilverCrono> :o
  537. [04:32:51] <XJR-9> I was so happy
  538. [04:33:33] <@SilverCrono> what did u all talk about?
  539. [04:36:24] <XJR-9> Process of writing ideas
  540. [04:36:26] <XJR-9> His novel
  541. [04:36:35] <XJR-9> A new project of his
  542. [04:36:45] <XJR-9> How terrible Nathaniel Hawthorne is XD
  543. [04:37:02] <XJR-9> I have to read his latest story as well
  544. [04:37:30] <@SilverCrono> oooo he has a novel?
  545. [04:37:57] <@SilverCrono> part of me is having so much fun expanding and writing KoS / 9HC that im forgetting my dreams of being published lo
  546. [04:37:59] <@SilverCrono> l
  547. [04:38:04] <@SilverCrono> millennia still my best bet
  548. [04:39:19] <XJR-9> His novel features the pigeons of NYC
  549. [04:39:24] <XJR-9> Goddamn Scathe
  550. [04:39:57] <@SilverCrono> .-.;
  551. [04:42:23] <XJR-9> 23:58:33 <Scathe> in the onager story, I wanted to talk about…onagers
  552. [04:42:29] <XJR-9> Scathe on his creative process
  553. [04:44:47] <@SilverCrono> i... have little words
  554. [04:45:10] <@SilverCrono> i wish scathe and i had enough time to hang out to get past the awkward stage lmao
  555. [04:45:18] <@SilverCrono> i feel like he didnt get to know me very well [shrugs]
  556. [04:47:36] <XJR-9> You were at the same uni, right?
  557. [04:47:46] <@SilverCrono> for a semester, yah
  558. [04:47:47] <@SilverCrono> we only met once tho
  559. [04:51:02] <XJR-9> Aww :(
  560. [04:51:50] <@SilverCrono> i sleep now
  561. [04:51:54] <@SilverCrono> had a very productive night :}
  562. [04:52:54] <XJR-9> Night~
  563.  
  564. 2017-6-11
  565. [09:23:49] <XJR-9> Armageddon11: you around bb?
  566. [10:05:40] <Armageddon11> yo
  567. [10:05:45] <Armageddon11> XJR-9
  568. [10:05:53] <XJR-9> Hi~
  569. [10:06:27] <XJR-9> A moment; uploading something
  570. [10:07:20] <Armageddon11> k, gonna go shower
  571. [10:08:12] <XJR-9> http://imgur.com/a/LTVgZ Mocking up some title art
  572. [10:08:15] <XJR-9> Which font do you like :?
  573. [10:08:21] <XJR-9> Or I can do word art...kind of...
  574. [10:08:26] <XJR-9> Ace is better at that kind of thing :S
  575. [10:25:18] <Armageddon11> hmm
  576. [10:26:48] <Armageddon11> third one
  577. [10:27:59] <Armageddon11> but not out of any large preference
  578. [10:28:09] <Armageddon11> any will work :D
  579. [10:35:10] <XJR-9> Third one was actually the first I picked! It was similar to my handwriting in the mock-up.
  580. [10:35:30] <XJR-9> I want to add some cards for Greed, but I don't know if Envy has an associated symbol
  581. [10:35:38] <XJR-9> And with four it may become a bit over-wrought
  582. [10:35:42] <XJR-9> But I'll ask Crono
  583. [12:01:07] <XJR-9> Oops, it's 2am again
  584. [12:01:10] <XJR-9> Armageddon11: Progress :D http://imgur.com/a/nzssb
  585. [12:02:41] <Armageddon11> sunny :D
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