Lee - Today at 3:56 AM
I don't know what is cole's problem I talked with Pyro about everything

I clearly told Pyro there will be only one alt
Angel - Today at 3:57 AM
i'm telling you pyro isn't cole. pyro doesn't speak for cole. they're different people
and we haven't talked to pyro
hes moving
Lee - Today at 3:57 AM
And nobody got back to me
Angel - Today at 3:57 AM
if cole is the one who complained to you, you needed to discuss with him.
we're over here poaching pouting angels members because they're getting outbid by alts in their raids too
we aren't here to waste 2 months of someones time to give badge to alts
i know anu and me need badge, you schedule at least 1 extra bidder every week, thats fine. i dont complain. they're mains.
i'm not here to say "its too pricey hurr durr" my complaint is that you let an alt fuck that up bad
Lee - Today at 3:59 AM
Did I not stopping him from bidding
Angel - Today at 3:59 AM
you shouldn't even prioritize them over the people who are showing up on mains. fenix brought his BD for badge bid, and then his kfm for thrall badge? neat, can i bring my 900ap warlock for neck and throw 3k at it that i dont have?
Lee - Today at 4:00 AM
Tbh this raid started out as free bid no priority over alt or main
Angel - Today at 4:00 AM
i know, haya is on his gunner
Lee - Today at 4:00 AM
Then badge didn't drop cole got upset
Angel - Today at 4:00 AM
but as far as i'm concerned that his main its what he brings weekly
Lee - Today at 4:00 AM
Then I had to change rules from him but I can't tell ppl hey come raid it's free bidding but mains over alts
Other ppl gonna say hey haya can come why can't I
Or they gonna say hey this guy drop in one week get badge then drop out why can't I come and bid
Angel - Today at 4:01 AM
haya brings gunner every week since beginning. he only changed to bm for like 1 week and didn't take any loot
Lee - Today at 4:02 AM
He was BM first 2 weeks
Got badge and dropped out
Angel - Today at 4:02 AM
its complicated, you can have your side to it and i'll have mine. I think you're wrong. thats why we're not returning.
Lee - Today at 4:02 AM
Then came back as gunner
Angel - Today at 4:02 AM
lol i didn't know that.
he took badge from me and i didn't even notice.
owell
if he didn't beat me someone else would
i dont have enough gold to drop 3.5k on it
Lee - Today at 4:03 AM
You weren't there the first week
Or the first 2 weeks
Redikon was there got the neck for 1600g then left
This raid has always been free bid and I think I've been trying to meet you guys half way
Angel - Today at 4:04 AM
like i said, we have a vt1 moving along. we're gonna focus on that. you accomodated us fine until this week.
Lee - Today at 4:04 AM
But if you guys jumped to decision and decided to just leave because things don't go your way then it's fine by me
Angel - Today at 4:04 AM
i wasn't complaining like i said about bds fighting me on badges and such
Lee - Today at 4:05 AM
Like you guys basically holding the whole raid hostage when things don't go your way
Not even wanting to talk it out
Angel - Today at 4:05 AM
thats a bad look you're right. but i didn't just slink away quietly and just not show up
as scummy as that bid was looking i didn't bring it up more because i figured we just wouldn't get a split at that point
and you'd just pinch the pennies
Lee - Today at 4:06 AM
Did I not stop fenix's alt from bidding?
Angel - Today at 4:06 AM
yeah, should've just defaulted to before he bid, in my opinion.
Lee - Today at 4:06 AM
Look at screenshot it has been addressed
Angel - Today at 4:06 AM
i think cole should've gotten it, he was willing to bid 2500, which was the highest of the mains, another alt shows up, runs it up, you reset now that everyone knows cole is ready to bid 3.3k
Lee - Today at 4:07 AM
So cole got mad over a 1000g because he didn't want to pay more
Even tho everyone else got their asura badge for 3500k+
Angel - Today at 4:07 AM
i dont like the way it went, i dont want to hold raid hostage, you should be able to get some guys before monday.
Lee - Today at 4:07 AM
Makes sense
Angel - Today at 4:07 AM
let me read that screenshot, but agian, pyro is not cole.
Lee - Today at 4:08 AM
He's the one that introduced you guys to raid
Angel - Today at 4:08 AM
yeah, we left another vt to come to yours
Lee - Today at 4:08 AM
He's also your leader
Angel - Today at 4:08 AM
i'm 2nd in command lul
and cole is 3rd
we're leaders now while he moves too
Lee - Today at 4:09 AM
So when I couldn't reach you guys I talked with him
Angel - Today at 4:09 AM
i mean, hes not my "leader" as much as hes my friend.
Lee - Today at 4:09 AM
Ask cole I msg'ed him first last night
He was busy so I talked to pyro instead
Angel - Today at 4:10 AM
like i said, our goal isn't to hold your raid hostage
we told you now rather than like literally waiting til next week and making some threats or something
we expressed our discontent with the new set of rules, and we're gonna move on.
i do think its unfair still.
you haven't convinced me otherwise. i know you're organizing it for gold so you're trying to make that happen for yourself, i get that.
i imagine you were doing it for lulu as well
Lee - Today at 4:11 AM
If you've been here long enough you know it's not about gold
Angel - Today at 4:12 AM
how is it not about the gold for you?
what do you gain besides gearing lulu who is now geared?
Lee - Today at 4:12 AM
I took ppl with no experiences for 3-4 weeks and train them
Angel - Today at 4:12 AM
yeah because they dont have the gear and will bid for it?
Lee - Today at 4:12 AM
Because some of them wanted to do VT and not having a group to take
Angel - Today at 4:12 AM
if it wasn't about the gold you'd prioritize the mains lul
thats an empty point that doesn't make any sense
Lee - Today at 4:12 AM
But I can't see why having gold is bad for the whole raid
You guys think about your own group I think about the whole raid
Angel - Today at 4:12 AM
what is your goal here? why are you messaging me to argue? do you want us to return next monday?
Lee - Today at 4:13 AM
Everyone in raid put work in everyone get a share that's fair by me
Angel - Today at 4:13 AM
you're thinking about this all wrong
like i said
Lee - Today at 4:13 AM
I'm trying to see why you guys are jumping the gun and left the moment you didn't get what you want
Angel - Today at 4:13 AM
i didn't care when you brought a different bd every week to optimize bidding on badge, i dont care that you're trying to make gold from running a raid
bud i haven't gotten my badge in like 6 weeks its not jumping the gun
about us not getting what we want
Lee - Today at 4:14 AM
Other ppl in raid have opinions too and I wanted to accommodate everyone
Angel - Today at 4:14 AM
its clearly not about that for me.
i show up, never get badge, show up anyways.
pyro literally has nothing to gain
shows up until he moves
Lee - Today at 4:14 AM
Same thing for other ppl
Angel - Today at 4:14 AM
you're thinking of us as a group, rather than individuals.
Lee - Today at 4:14 AM
Kuoz got badge from other he got nothing from this raid he shows up anyway
Angel - Today at 4:14 AM
if you want to group any of us, group me and kat.
i absolutely brought kat because i wnated her to get gear.
Lee - Today at 4:14 AM
He even diced with fenix when i said only one alt can come in
Angel - Today at 4:14 AM
but also it benefits you because no earth players
so i figured win win
Lee - Today at 4:15 AM
And I took her and no it's not my benefit it's for the group
Angel - Today at 4:15 AM
literally impossible without a summoner, so win win
i was bringing her because it was a perfect fit, from my perspective, but i would not fault you for grouping me with my fiancee.
Lee - Today at 4:15 AM
And many ppl got sum alt in this raid i can just have one of them come
But I took kat anyway and yeah i agree it's good for sk and the future
i even took aya cuz he communicates well with you guys
Angel - Today at 4:16 AM
you're right you could've brought an alt, i pitched kat because i wanted her to get neck
Lee - Today at 4:16 AM
even tho he dies all the time and do very low dps
Hell i can even swithc to my alt kfm for 2nd boss
so i can bid on fire badge
Angel - Today at 4:16 AM
I don't think you're seeing my point. and again i dont see how you would at this point.
you could've been scummy and brought more alts, but you didnt
and i didn't complain
but then you did
and i did complain
see hwo that works?
Lee - Today at 4:17 AM
I get your point that you prefer your group get priority
Angel - Today at 4:17 AM
you can believe that.
but again, i didn't complain on badges.
Lee - Today at 4:18 AM
For me they show up many weeks, they has a right to bid doesn't matter if it's main or alt
Tell me one thing
Angel - Today at 4:18 AM
my group is my friends, but i would call most of them my friends. the static members were all fine by me.
Lee - Today at 4:18 AM
How can I stop people from coming when they have nothing they can bid on or gears that they need?
Angel - Today at 4:19 AM
well to solve the issue i would 1. not offer alts a position if mains still need each piece of loot.
like, if nobody needs lightning neck, by all means
bring alts
Lee - Today at 4:19 AM
You guys had absolutely no problem when Pyro brought his sin
Angel - Today at 4:19 AM
^^^^
who did he outbid?
who did he steal from?
do you see how what i'm saying is consistent?
you're putting forth the idea its for my group
Lee - Today at 4:20 AM
There we go "steal from"
Angel - Today at 4:20 AM
but what i'm saying isnt that
Lee - Today at 4:20 AM
You guys think you are entitled
Angel - Today at 4:20 AM
thats wrong
thats not what i think.
Lee - Today at 4:20 AM
You guys get upset because you think you've been here longer than some you should get some form of priority
Angel - Today at 4:20 AM
steal from is the term i would use for someone who brings an alt when they've already brought main for gearing, while other peoples mains still NEED the gear
no
fenix has been ehre
for weeks
if fenix dropped 3300 on badge today on bd badge
i would have been fine with it
you're missing the poiiiinnnnttt
bud
look
alt < main
thats all it is
Lee - Today at 4:21 AM
I'm fully geared many ppl having badges we don't NEED anything to clear
Angel - Today at 4:21 AM
thats all i complained about
you keep throwing out arguments about entitlement or caring about my group
but like i said
Lee - Today at 4:21 AM
But if he WANTS it and doesn't want to WAIT feel free to bid on
Angel - Today at 4:21 AM
that doesn't hold any wayer
water
because i absolutely didn't complain when i got outbid
if i was being selfish and entitled i would've held the raid hostage right there.
yeah?
why would i let it go on for weeks instead?
Lee - Today at 4:22 AM
let what go?
Angel - Today at 4:22 AM
oh is it maybe because mains were still gearing up in our STATIC RAID?
bd badge dropped like 3 times
Lee - Today at 4:22 AM
we don't have a STATIC
Angel - Today at 4:22 AM
i didn't complain once when i lost fairly
Lee - Today at 4:22 AM
BD badge dropped twice
Angel - Today at 4:22 AM
we have members who show up every fuckin week and any of the flexes are fine to bid too
i didn't complain when nick bidded
at all
Lee - Today at 4:22 AM
You weren't there the first time Haya got it for 3500
and you were outbidded the 2nd time
same amount
Angel - Today at 4:23 AM
exactly. i didn't complain did it?
do you see how this isn't about myself and my group now?
they would've pitched a fit then
Lee - Today at 4:23 AM
You complained that nick waited to see how much gold cole has
because fenix was bidding
Angel - Today at 4:23 AM
thats after the fenix alt issue
Lee - Today at 4:23 AM
first of all if you look at screenshot I did ask about alt bidding
Angel - Today at 4:23 AM
my issue there is that you already had dug the grave and messed up
buddy, what is your goal in this conversation?
Lee - Today at 4:24 AM
second of all I did stop fenix from bidding when it gets sketchy
Angel - Today at 4:24 AM
to win an argument?
we're clearly not going to change each others mind.
this isn't going anywhere.
i think alt < main, you think free bid bring alts and anyone who wants gear is selfish
Lee - Today at 4:24 AM
Yeah then you guys got upset still cuz you didn't get what you want
How is that selfish when everyone else in raid can use gold to gear themselves?
Angel - Today at 4:25 AM
i didn't get what i wanted still, but i didn't complain about it, and i still wont. because i lost fairly every time badge dropped
Lee - Today at 4:25 AM
You're making no sense
To me one person get their gear or everyone gets gold and gear themselves is just as good
Angel - Today at 4:26 AM
do you see how you brought an alt in, just to bid on badge to get yourself/the raid a higher gold count, then renegged when we complained and instead of just dipping back to the previous top bid before alt starting running up price, you reset bid
Lee - Today at 4:26 AM
But clearly you prefer your friend getting the item first rather than having everyone
Angel - Today at 4:26 AM
which now that everyone knows nick will pay 3.4k, nick took advantage of
ran up price
then cole passed early
i'm telling you nick didn't plan to bid 3k prior
Lee - Today at 4:26 AM
Are you kidding me
Angel - Today at 4:26 AM
he didn't have any intentions of doing so
and nick won it, it was fine, but i think that method was scummy as fuck.
Lee - Today at 4:26 AM
So you're saying nick just decided to bid more than needed
Because?
Angel - Today at 4:27 AM
he was whispering cole.
lul
Lee - Today at 4:27 AM
I'm not speaking for nick or fenix
WTF
Angel - Today at 4:27 AM
nick and cole were whispering
you're just wrong bud.
Lee - Today at 4:27 AM
I didn't even know that
Angel - Today at 4:27 AM
i know
thats why i know you're wrong and i'm right here.
thats why i'm standing my ground
again, i know your values in running the raid
i'm not saying dont do it and disband
Lee - Today at 4:27 AM
If they can decide who gets it first then go ahead
Angel - Today at 4:27 AM
i gave you a full weeks notice
get yourself some replacements
Lee - Today at 4:28 AM
So what's the problem
Angel - Today at 4:28 AM
i don't like alt < main
Lee - Today at 4:28 AM
I can't control what happened btw nick and cole
Angel - Today at 4:28 AM
we have been poaching pouting angels for that.
pouting angels guild does alt > main
we are grabbing members from them because they dont like that either
Lee - Today at 4:29 AM
alts only coming in for 2 weeks including today
Angel - Today at 4:29 AM
so our guild is Main > alt
l know
but last week an alt didn't outbid a main
Lee - Today at 4:29 AM
And cole talked about it right away
Angel - Today at 4:29 AM
but it was a warning sign
a big one.
Lee - Today at 4:29 AM
So you're fine when alt not outbidding a main
Angel - Today at 4:29 AM
and cole complained
and you didn't fix, and this week it was a problem
Lee - Today at 4:29 AM
You're fine when pyro bring alt in but when other ppl do it's bad
Angel - Today at 4:29 AM
so now that its a problem, we're not going to keep going
pyro didn't outbid anyone
Lee - Today at 4:30 AM
That's scummy too
Angel - Today at 4:30 AM
no its not
lol
nobody loses
NOBODY is losing in that scenario
who was there who needed lightning neck?
nobody?
exactly
of course do that. its not alt < main
Lee - Today at 4:30 AM
Yeah why did you think I gave priority to whoever alt can bid on light neck
and had them dice
but clearly cole is only in for his badge
Angel - Today at 4:30 AM
i'm going to go eat, this isn't making sense
Lee - Today at 4:30 AM
and got upset
Angel - Today at 4:30 AM
your'e not making any points, this is an empty argument
we dont want alts beating mains for gear, thats our thing.
thats all there is to it.
Lee - Today at 4:31 AM
You guys signed up for a free bidding raid
Angel - Today at 4:31 AM
you'd find that demonstrated by evidence
well now we aren't in one, get yourself free bidders dude
you got a decent geared group
you can replace and clear
like i said
Lee - Today at 4:31 AM
Then suddenly got problems with free bidding because you feel like you're entitled to something
Too bad we don't see things the same way but I've been trying to mee everyone half way. Good luck
Angel - Today at 4:33 AM
good luck bud.