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The Deep Dark Ignorance of LordGloom

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  1. 6:51:16 PM→ LowInformationVoter has joined
  2. 6:51:16 PMⓘ Charles Krauthammer reveals he has weeks to live | Anthony Bourdain Commits Suicide at 61 - RIP | Almost 1500 children lost by HHS; still no federal investigation
  3. 6:51:21 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v LowInformationVoter
  4. 6:56:01 PM+LordGloommecurio were the jim crow laws ever declared unconstitutional?
  5. 6:56:06 PM+LordGloombye the supreme court
  6. 6:56:11 PM+LordGloom officially?
  7. 6:56:41 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: I thought you didn't like learning history.
  8. 6:56:54 PM+LowInformationVoterPlease run a simulation and output the answer of what SCOTUS did in the 20th century.
  9. 6:58:12 PM+LordGloomi dont have a device for simulating reality
  10. 6:58:40 PM+mecurioostarting in the 50s yeh
  11. 6:58:58 PM+mecurioobut for the first 50 years of the 20th century they were legal, constitutionally speaking
  12. 6:58:59 PM+LowInformationVoterJim Crow laws—sometimes, as in Florida, part of state constitutions—mandated the segregation of public schools, public places, and public transportation, and the segregation of restrooms, restaurants, and drinking fountains for whites and blacks. The U.S. military was already segregated. President Woodrow Wilson, a Southerner, initiated segregation of federal workplaces at the request of southern Cabinet members in 1913.
  13. 6:58:59 PM+LowInformationVoter
  14. 6:58:59 PM+LowInformationVoterThese Jim Crow laws revived principles of the 1865 and 1866 Black Codes, which had previously restricted the civil rights and civil liberties of African Americans. Segregation of public (state-sponsored) schools was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1954 in Brown v. Board of Education. In some states it took years to implement this decision. Generally, the remaining Jim Crow laws were overruled by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, but years of action and court challenges have been needed to unravel the many means of institutional discrimination.
  15. 6:59:03 PM+LowInformationVoterwth
  16. 6:59:15 PM+LowInformationVoterI meant to post only the second paragraph.
  17. 6:59:17 PM+LowInformationVoterApologies.
  18. 6:59:22 PM+LowInformationVoterI found that in 14 seconds, LordGloom.
  19. 6:59:49 PM+LowInformationVoterWhy isn't your self-education worth 14 seconds.
  20. 7:00:09 PM+mecurioomy pops lived in florida in the 50s
  21. 7:00:16 PM+LowInformationVoterIrrelevant.
  22. 7:00:26 PM+LordGloomits complicated
  23. 7:00:29 PM+mecurioohe would tell me stories about how blacks had to drop their heads and step off the sidewalk when whites walked past
  24. 7:00:34 PM← Marceline has quit (Quit: Leaving)
  25. 7:00:41 PM+LowInformationVoterWhite supremacists are pathetic.
  26. 7:00:50 PM+LowInformationVoterThey achieve nothing.
  27. 7:00:51 PM+LordGloomi find the jim crow laws unconstitutional because they violated the property rights of business owners
  28. 7:01:07 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: You disagree with SCOTUS, then.
  29. 7:01:09 PM+LowInformationVoterOnce again.
  30. 7:01:10 PM+LordGloomthose business owners should have been allowed to allow all races in if they wanted
  31. 7:01:20 PM+LordGloomi am not sure
  32. 7:01:26 PM+LordGloomi definitely do about SOME things
  33. 7:01:27 PM+LowInformationVoterOh, I gave a citation a few days ago.
  34. 7:01:32 PM+LordGloom like the 1964 civil rights act
  35. 7:01:32 PM+LowInformationVoterYou forgot it.
  36. 7:01:39 PM+LowInformationVoterBecause you're not interested in learning on this topic, apparently.
  37. 7:01:41 PM+LowInformationVoterDo you remember the citation?
  38. 7:01:53 PM← Dreams2X has quit (Ping timeout)
  39. 7:01:55 PM+LowInformationVoterIt was from the Brown v. Board of Education (1954) decision.
  40. 7:01:59 PM+LordGloomi am not sure whether i remember the citation
  41. 7:02:16 PM+LowInformationVoterSCOTUS ruled 9-0 that segregation is innately un-Constitutional.
  42. 7:02:21 PM+LowInformationVoterYou need not reference any property.
  43. 7:02:36 PM+LordGloomproperty is the important thing
  44. 7:02:47 PM+LowInformationVoterYou disagree with SCOTUS, then.
  45. 7:02:48 PM+LowInformationVoterOnce again.
  46. 7:02:52 PM+LowInformationVoterI provided a citation.
  47. 7:02:56 PM+LowInformationVoterDo you remember the citation?
  48. 7:03:00 PM+LowInformationVoterIt was from the Brown v. Board of Education (1954) decision.
  49. 7:03:30 PM+LowInformationVoterThe majority decision stated that there is psychological harm that is experienced by children who participate in racially segregated systems.
  50. 7:03:43 PM+LowInformationVoterThey effortlessly perceive they are inferior and this leads to lifelong harm.
  51. 7:03:45 PM+LordGloomi remember thinkng about the idea of allowing some people to use a school and not others
  52. 7:03:54 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: I'm gonna shock you right now.
  53. 7:03:57 PM+LowInformationVoterAre you sitting down.
  54. 7:04:00 PM+LordGloomyes
  55. 7:04:07 PM+LowInformationVoterThis is gonna be worse than the Attack on Christmas.
  56. 7:04:17 PM+LowInformationVoterIt turns out, minds are actually more important than property.
  57. 7:04:27 PM+LowInformationVoterI'll pause and let you process that.
  58. 7:04:38 PM+LowInformationVoterOkay.
  59. 7:04:39 PM+LowInformationVoterYeah.
  60. 7:04:43 PM+LowInformationVoterShocking stuff.
  61. 7:05:01 PM+LowInformationVoterSee, property is an external representation of the internal ability to experience grief, suffering, and pain.
  62. 7:05:05 PM+LowInformationVoterBut, humans don't like those emotions!
  63. 7:05:12 PM+LordGloomwell government may take measures to protect the minds, but they should not be violating property rights to do so, if there is a way to do it without removing such liberty
  64. 7:05:13 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd so we codified rights-based systems to help ourselves have a happier life.
  65. 7:05:35 PM+LowInformationVoterOh, with your private property, you can do whatever you want!
  66. 7:05:38 PM+LowInformationVoterThat's the great part.
  67. 7:05:45 PM+LowInformationVoterYou can racially segregate your living room, for example.
  68. 7:05:54 PM+LowInformationVoterWhite socks on the left, coloreds on the right.
  69. 7:06:01 PM+LordGloomyes and i should be able to own a store and open it to lots of people and discriminate
  70. 7:06:12 PM+LordGloombecause its my property and government should allow me to accumulate such property
  71. 7:06:13 PM+LordGloom and do that
  72. 7:06:15 PM+LowInformationVoterYou can even invite your frens over to play Confederacy in your living room and den.
  73. 7:06:21 PM+LowInformationVoterOh, no.
  74. 7:06:22 PM+LordGloombut they dont. instead they violate my rights
  75. 7:06:23 PM+LowInformationVoterYou done goofed.
  76. 7:06:31 PM+LowInformationVoterCongress has the power to regulate interstate commerce silly.
  77. 7:06:37 PM+LowInformationVoterSee Constitution, Article I.
  78. 7:06:51 PM+LowInformationVoterWhen you open a business, the federal government is going to regulate what you do, somewhat.
  79. 7:07:00 PM+LowInformationVoterNo more segregated socks for you, you lil' race rascal.
  80. 7:07:16 PM+LowInformationVoterYou don't have a right to racially segregate your business.
  81. 7:07:18 PM+LowInformationVoterYou silly.
  82. 7:07:23 PM+LordGloomamendment 4 came after and supercedes it
  83. 7:07:41 PM+LowInformationVoterRemember, Congress passed the 1964 Civil Rights Amendment.
  84. 7:07:50 PM+LordGloomthis prevention of discrimination is
  85. 7:07:53 PM+LowInformationVoterCongress claimed it had the power to make this kind of regulation under the Interstate Commerce Clause.
  86. 7:08:02 PM+LordGlooma unreasonable seizure
  87. 7:08:09 PM+LowInformationVoterDo you feel like a business owner should have filed a suit against the federal government?
  88. 7:08:16 PM+LowInformationVoterYou're confused how Amendments work.
  89. 7:08:24 PM+LowInformationVoterAmendments both modify and add new text to the Constitution.
  90. 7:08:30 PM+LordGloomyes he should have and did
  91. 7:08:38 PM+LowInformationVoterIf you find a 'living' Constitution you'll see some text has strikethough.
  92. 7:08:47 PM+LowInformationVoterThose are the parts that have been removed by Amendments.
  93. 7:09:00 PM+LowInformationVoterThe Interstate Commerce Clause is unmodified by any Amendments.
  94. 7:09:07 PM+LowInformationVoterAll parts of the Constitution are of equal value.
  95. 7:09:08 PM+LordGloomno it isnt
  96. 7:09:10 PM+LordGloom it is modified
  97. 7:09:19 PM+LowInformationVoterYep, you're right.
  98. 7:09:24 PM+LowInformationVoterPeople did sue the federal government.
  99. 7:09:32 PM+LowInformationVoterDid any of those lawsuits make it to SCOTUS?
  100. 7:09:38 PM+LordGloomprobably
  101. 7:09:43 PM+LowInformationVoterOh, you're not sure.
  102. 7:09:50 PM+LowInformationVoterAbout this topic you are deeply emotionally invested in.
  103. 7:09:55 PM+LowInformationVoterThat seems like a wise strategum.
  104. 7:10:13 PM+LowInformationVoterDo you think a 35 second scan of Wikipedia will solve this riddle?
  105. 7:10:14 PM+LowInformationVoter(It does)
  106. 7:10:36 PM+LordGloomyes i think it might solve whatever riddle you are refering to
  107. 7:10:41 PM+LordGloomi dont know for sure though
  108. 7:10:50 PM+LowInformationVoterSCOTUS ruled Congress has the ability to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Act via their Interstate Commerce powers.
  109. 7:10:54 PM+LowInformationVoterDing ding ding!
  110. 7:11:03 PM+LordGloomthe president should stop enforcing the 1964 civil rights act
  111. 7:11:07 PM+LordGloomits unconstitutional!
  112. 7:11:11 PM+LordGloomthe courts are just wrong
  113. 7:11:13 PM+LowInformationVoterYou're confused.
  114. 7:11:15 PM+LowInformationVoterAgain.
  115. 7:11:24 PM+LowInformationVoterThe president has no power to determine which laws are Unconstitutional.
  116. 7:11:37 PM+mecuriooLordGloom knows more than decades of constitutional law scholarship
  117. 7:11:41 PM+LordGloomdetermine ?
  118. 7:11:46 PM+LordGloomdetermine is ambiguous
  119. 7:11:47 PM+LowInformationVoterSCOTUS determines what is Constitutional, via their case law powers stemming from Marbury v. Madison (1804).
  120. 7:11:50 PM+LordGloom it has two meanings
  121. 7:12:04 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: The executive is obligated, under the Constitution, to enforce all laws passed by Congress.
  122. 7:12:10 PM+LordGloomlowinformation you need to stop believing everything you read
  123. 7:12:19 PM+LowInformationVoterGood.
  124. 7:12:20 PM+LordGlooma little more critical thinking would be good
  125. 7:12:25 PM+LordGloomyou are being too gullible
  126. 7:12:25 PM+LowInformationVoterYour Fox News roots are starting to creep through.
  127. 7:12:27 PM+LowInformationVoterLet it all out.
  128. 7:12:30 PM+LowInformationVoterTell me about the fake news.
  129. 7:12:35 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd how about witch hunts.
  130. 7:12:38 PM+LordGloomdetermine
  131. 7:12:44 PM+LordGloom can mean , find out
  132. 7:12:51 PM+LordGloom it can also make, make something a certain way
  133. 7:12:54 PM+LordGloom which way did you mean it?
  134. 7:13:00 PM+LowInformationVoterThe Executive is obligated to enforce all laws.
  135. 7:13:04 PM+LowInformationVoterSee US Constitution.
  136. 7:13:31 PM+LordGloomwhat about unconstitutional laws?
  137. 7:13:42 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: The Executive can't determine what is Unconstitutional.
  138. 7:13:49 PM+LowInformationVoterOnly SCOTUS can do that.
  139. 7:13:54 PM+LordGloomwhich way did you mean" determine"
  140. 7:13:55 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd, through derived powers, other federal courts.
  141. 7:14:12 PM+LordGloomdid you mean " figure out or find out" or " make something a certain way
  142. 7:14:13 PM+LordGloom"
  143. 7:14:23 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: All the text of every law looks identical to the Executive.
  144. 7:14:41 PM+LowInformationVoterIt has no ability to make any supralegal interpretations of any law.
  145. 7:14:45 PM+LowInformationVoterWould you like to know what it can do?
  146. 7:14:46 PM+LordGloomlowinformation, which way did you mean the word " determine"? i keep asking
  147. 7:14:50 PM+LowInformationVoterInstead of rolling around in the mud of your ignorance.
  148. 7:14:56 PM+LordGloomi want to go on but i am held up by not knowing which way you meant it
  149. 7:15:01 PM+LordGloomi want to address your statements
  150. 7:15:19 PM+LowInformationVoterHere's the first definition from Google: "cause (something) to occur in a particular way; be the decisive factor in."
  151. 7:15:22 PM+LowInformationVoterWe can use that.
  152. 7:15:39 PM+LowInformationVoterThe Executive can *argue* to the Judiciary that a law is Unconstitutional.
  153. 7:15:44 PM+LordGloomi have some things i want your response to, but i need to know whether you meant " make it some way" or " figure out which way it is" by the word " determine".
  154. 7:15:45 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd if the court agrees, then it is.
  155. 7:15:50 PM+LordGloomok
  156. 7:16:09 PM+LowInformationVoterFor example, yesterday, the executive argued in court it doesn't have to enforce part of the ACA.
  157. 7:16:15 PM+LowInformationVoterThe court has received this claim.
  158. 7:16:20 PM+LordGloomthen i agree , the president cannot determine which things are constitutional. but he can still figure out which things are constitutional
  159. 7:16:21 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd they will determine if that is true.
  160. 7:16:45 PM@ProfFarnsworthShould the AGOTUS be elected independently of the POTUS?
  161. 7:16:57 PM+LordGloombut my point is that the government should immediately stop doing anything that is unconstitutional
  162. 7:17:01 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: Every law that has been passed by Congress with a supermajority, or with a majority and signed by the president, that hasn't been ruled illegal by a federal court is Constitutional.
  163. 7:17:04 PM+LordGloom regardless of whether the court wants him to
  164. 7:17:04 PM+LowInformationVoterThat's how the Constitution works.
  165. 7:17:10 PM+LowInformationVoterThe Congress is the legislative branch.
  166. 7:17:14 PM+LowInformationVoterThe stuff they pass is the law.
  167. 7:17:30 PM+LordGloomLowInformationVoter: i think its only the law if its constitutional
  168. 7:17:39 PM+LordGloomisnt it?
  169. 7:17:40 PM+LowInformationVoterThe Solicitor General can argue on behalf of the Executive a law is Unconstitutional.
  170. 7:18:01 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: Every law passed by Congress is Constitutional unless overturned by the Judiciary.
  171. 7:18:09 PM+LowInformationVoterSee, Article I of the US Constitution.
  172. 7:18:39 PM+LowInformationVoterOf course, you can try and get immediate injunctive relief.
  173. 7:18:43 PM+LordGloomthats not necessarily true. what if the judiciary is just too stupid to overturn it and its not constitutional?
  174. 7:18:47 PM+LowInformationVoterWhich prevents a law from taking effect while its merits are decided.
  175. 7:18:59 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: SCOTUS determines the meaning of the Constitution.
  176. 7:19:05 PM+LowInformationVoterSee Marbury v. Madison (1804).
  177. 7:19:08 PM+LordGloomwhich way do you mean the word " determines"
  178. 7:19:16 PM+LordGloomthe same as before?
  179. 7:19:17 PM+LowInformationVoterSame as three minutes ago.
  180. 7:19:22 PM+LordGloomthen no
  181. 7:19:31 PM+LordGloom scotus does NOT determine the meaning of the constitution
  182. 7:19:35 PM+LowInformationVoterIt does, actually.
  183. 7:19:39 PM+LowInformationVoterIt's called judicial review of law.
  184. 7:19:47 PM+LordGloomwhat makes you think they do that?
  185. 7:19:47 PM+LowInformationVoterIt was introduced into American common law in 1804.
  186. 7:19:51 PM+LordGloomthey can review it
  187. 7:19:54 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: Basic literacy in this topic.
  188. 7:20:00 PM+LordGloom but that doesnt make anything constitutional
  189. 7:20:09 PM+LowInformationVoterThe depths of your ignorance known no bounds.
  190. 7:20:25 PM+LowInformationVoterBefore this conversation, had you ever heard of Marbury v. Madison.
  191. 7:20:37 PM+LordGloomi dont want to say
  192. 7:20:37 PM+LowInformationVoterMarbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803), is a landmark case by the United States Supreme Court which forms the basis for the exercise of judicial review in the United States under Article III of the Constitution. The landmark decision helped define the boundary between the constitutionally separate executive and judicial branches of the American form of government.
  193. 7:20:57 PM+LordGloomLowInformationVoter: are you not aware that people make up bullshit?
  194. 7:21:03 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd what is judicial review of law?
  195. 7:21:08 PM+LordGloom and try to confuse things and keep things unclear to get their way?
  196. 7:21:09 PM+LowInformationVoterWikipedia has an article for that, too!
  197. 7:21:14 PM+LordGloomok
  198. 7:21:14 PM+LowInformationVoterPretty helpful, this Wikipedia.
  199. 7:21:16 PM+LordGloomgo on
  200. 7:21:18 PM+LowInformationVoterIn the United States, judicial review is the ability of a court to examine and decide if a statute, treaty or administrative regulation contradicts or violates the provisions of existing law, a State Constitution, or ultimately the United States Constitution. While the U.S. Constitution does not explicitly define a power of judicial review, the authority for judicial review in the United States has been inferred from the structure, provisions, and history of the Constitution.[1]
  201. 7:21:38 PM+LordGloomduh
  202. 7:21:45 PM+LordGloom the first amendment gives everyone that power
  203. 7:21:59 PM+LowInformationVoterYou're so dumb.
  204. 7:21:59 PM+LordGloomwe all have the power of judicial review
  205. 7:22:06 PM+LowInformationVoterNo, you do not.
  206. 7:22:08 PM Ignoring LordGloom!*@*
  207. 7:22:15 PM+LowInformationVoterLordGloom: I went ahead and put you on ignore.
  208. 7:22:23 PMⓘ THERetroGamerNY set mode +b Abeoma!*@*
  209. 7:22:23 PM← Abeoma was kicked by THERetroGamerNY (THERetroGamerNY)
  210. 7:22:25 PM+LowInformationVoterI will add this disaster to your collection.
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