Samus Sheik JMU Video Analysis

Iván 8:45 pm
now?
finally
Iván 8:46 pm
near stage though, duck will usually go for bair reads trying to hit them in the middle of their bair (between the legs)
Iván 8:47 pm
what do you thinkg he would have done otherwise?
it is a tough spot for samus, they can just go and dash attack boost grab etc
and tilt to wall out
Iván 8:51 pm
stilll doing that against full shield is pretty much impossible
but yeah that's a thing against sheik's shield when it is a little diminished
well waht was his other option? wd forward?
then he gets ftilted->aerials
wasn't he on shield
Iván 8:54 pm
nope
he was in shield
he just didn' want to get grabbed
Iván 8:56 pm
zelda can punish every normal we have though have that in mind (even if we space them)
probably wanted to get a hit guaranteed didn't know where he'd land
probably
yeah I know
he is probably scared of zelda shield that's why all these options
Iván 8:59 pm
well he didn't get grabbed I actually I don'tthink it is that bad probably should have shielded the first fair but he didn't reach there
yeah it looked like that
go back
to see the first fair
you can shield drop fair anyways and force a mixup out of sheik
I'll go for some minutes I'll be back in 10 oe 15
duck will go between stocks because he doesn't want to give a free grab against a invincible sheik
I think it is a good idea doing what he did
except the dash forward
which made no sense
he took damage because he dashed
not because he went to the platform
Iván 9:25 pm
hello
waht did I miss
oh yeah I remember that android game
Iván 9:26 pm
that's the classic samus read in this matchup
all sheiks do that roll
Iván 9:29 pm
on yoshis yeah
yo look at that
back a little
when he shot the missile to people have in mind
dukck will mostly do missile->dash in->shield in neutral
just to have in mind beceause I remember like goomy
did missile
and em cant remember what else
but wasn't that xd
yeah something like that
Iván 9:32 pm
and one safe option is doing that shield it is a good way to move and react to what they do
Iván 9:34 pm
I remember some time ago hugs said it was questionable if duck or him were better at sheik xd
Me 9:35 pm
Goomy, if ur here
josh 9:35 pm
Going?
Me 9:35 pm
u need to join voice chat man
josh 9:35 pm
Goomy?
Iván 9:36 pm
hugo goomzales?
he wanted one of his sets we could then compared what guys di diufferntes
yeah duck love doing that XD missile->fair he always does that when starting
it works a lot xd
Me 9:36 pm
yeah, do ppl wanna look at it now?
Iván 9:37 pm
no when starting I mean
josh 9:37 pm
^
Iván 9:37 pm
the reads they'll stay on platform charging
Hugo 9:38 pm
How do I voice chat?
Iván 9:38 pm
on discord
josh 9:38 pm
Discord
Me 9:38 pm
discord
join "Analysis"
josh 9:38 pm
Lol anal
Iván 9:39 pm
I'l buy a headset one of these days xd laptops mic seems dead
josh 9:39 pm
Headphones
Iván 9:41 pm
no we don't
josh 9:41 pm
Jebaited
Iván 9:42 pm
you can walk->dtilt that is more lenient
just dash attack at that percent and edgeguard
it's just me that the video lags a lot
Iván 9:50 pm
oh the randall read always works
so go back a little
something duck did against sh->needles
shield->wd back read they'lll grab and he does dtilt
that
yeah that's a thing many sheiks go for
specially at this low percent
well go back
there's something how he deals or trys to deal with fair
just wd back dtilt which it is eh
little back
there
ok so that's the other thing samus has
against the fair spam
dash attack
yeah sure it does,
we beat that with ftiltings
that's the way you have to edeguard sheik, mini charge shots are really good duck does em all the time
Iván 9:56 pm
eeeeh
risky
eeeh that bair would be meh really, bair covers so little space
and we have no drift so there's that
not saying bair's bad xd just not in that situation it's too of a high commitment
so seems like duck has like 3 options against fairs
move back dtilt/dsmash, dash attack, and wd through them
yes under them
yeah he realized it seems
fendy hype
Hugo 9:59 pm
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Iván 10:01 pm
go back
to the start
not that I disagree with the charging but duck will
pretty much always missile and move to center
or hard callout their sideplatform cmaping with fair
nooo he lands with missile
goes to center
and from there fair
just go and hit them on the side platform with fair
go back
and go frame by frame
i THINK it was skurai angle
maybe he just didn't crouch xd
was he crouching?
did he crouch though?
go back some frames
wd
yeah who knows xd
yeah that was a very good uptilt opportunity
well it works
unles sheik does that XD
well here he go hard callout
yeah but that isn't that the option is bad XD that is clearly what goomy does all the time
Iván 10:11 pm
he hit the platform
wait
how many wd back did he do?
go back I want to see
frame by frame
ok yeah th e first one
was good
the second one was the bad one
goomy
don't roll after chargin
it's horrible
xd
you do it all the time
but you do it all the time
josh 10:14 pm
Chillllllllllll
Iván 10:14 pm
ok so that isn't horrible , uptilt is like the usual thing to do there
but nair does cover them doing bair oos
immediately
but condition them first using the safer uptilts
XD
that's cool
seems like it'll work against everyone but sheik's ac aerials
Iván 10:18 pm
actually the first wd I think was good
because you move out and bait them to whiff punish the bair landing
but yeah
don't go back too much, well actually he didn't move it could have been good had you MC and force and Mc MIXUP (they run and shiel/ftilt/ dash attack to low profile)
but don't shield
go back
he had time to MC
when he went to th eplatform yeah
but yeah going to platform and MC is really good if you are reading they are commiting to needle/wait etc
ok again there
instead of chargin
duck will mc
charging leads you to give up all stage (and possibility of a missile) and besides at the percent you are
they hit you once and no use of the charge shot
you'll lose it
and yeah that too
Iván 10:25 pm
the grapple cancel
only ntsc
there's no need for it though that's why you might not be seeing it
it's a ok mixup
Iván 10:27 pm
the only problem is they hard read you and you don't have the grapple anymore
yeah minty does it a lot
did it
wait a second
can't sheik just whiff grab->grab your roll? xd
yeah boost grab and dash grab are slow
homing is good enough against marth
when edgeguarding
oh ok
I don't know if good xd
you are putting yourself in a 50/50
with no benefit besides not getting hit
well jab does beat shielgrab if spaced well
why?
yeah wd oos against ftilt but at this percent you just jab that (they can always shield though but you beat that by not jabbing  )
you just double jab
yeah in practice I've never seen anyone not get hit by it
and in practice I mean top players
just see duck against sheiks
he does that
but most sheiks don't threaten ftilt much, they just go to platforms
and he wouldn't charge after the missile
that's our life xd
yeah it was just the last percents to do that
ban it
well edgeugarding is way easier
yeah I've counterpicked fd agaisnt sheiks before XD
dude against doc
yeah can hard callout with dash attack
that's the big problem
when they are invincible
is this v 1.00?
the upairs are always comboing xd he's not di'ing
Iván 10:40 pm
well that situation was really hard you could have just shielded
yeah that is awesome
i've got to do that
so what did he do against uptilt?
he did wd oos->dtilt?
you can beat those options dashing back
little bit back I think
you can do like uptilt->dash back->pivot stuff
or dash attack
it is coming
I think...
there
yeah the safest thing is just dashing back
you can pivot after it
or dash attack if you don't want to pivot
or just option select it between dash attack and pivot fsmash
well it works if they ftilt xd but yeah
at this percents looks like jabbing don't do it XD
adn dsmash at 0%
yeah just ai there
I like that dsmash or at leaast the idea of crossup and dsmash that is the thing that duck does against needles the most
he shielded it but yeah
yeah it was good pressure really
dair would have hit him if done correct (it covers the space sheik was on)
why did you sh->nair there
he is doing wd oos
it's a risky read going for nair (and you'll see duck go for it) but if they are jumping, and usually he does them on platform stages
he was in shield
ooh you mena
wd oos grab ftilt
just ftilt if you are expecting that
ftilt?
nah it hits lower
oh nair yeah
I say ftilt there xd he beats it with wd oos->shield
though he might also beat it with crouch S:
dash back isn't risky
uptilt is about -11 at the heigth it hits, if they wd oos dash back will let you avoid immeidate attacks
like the only thing he could try is wd oos->dash->dash attack which is risky if he doesn't execute it perfectly
I don't like AI->grab
duck says it sucks xd
dash in->shield
what is he doing?
he did AI->grab what did he do?
the sheik what did he do
yeah just shield
you can do shield->fair oos to callout next fair
you can ai->shield->wd back to ledge if you read them going for grab
and then fair from pledge or ai->dsmash from ledge
yeah that is really good too mixup that with shield the fairs and then fair oos as well
dude there you had the opportunity for extender techcase
oh sweet
ps->fsmash
oh yeah ledgedash->upb is the other good option against fair spamming
it sucks
ff is pretty nice xd
hi?
something weird happened
yeah
now I do
dsmash
you could do some dj regrabs to see what they do
great edgegurd
huh did that grab cover everything?
when he was in the corner
sheik on the corner
just shield
there I think you expected a ps?
I want my rabbit back
wouldn't have worked anyways
ps would push him
yeah but the spotdodge maybe was dsmash
that's what I meant
oh no but dsmash's so good xd
everyone would do that dsmash xd you get it you win
Iván 11:05 pm
dreamland i sok
bf I feel it is worse but platform camping isn't THAT terrible
you won't die against upair xd it won't happen most of the time
you'll die of fair and edgeguards (the platform layout it is kinda nice for sheik edgeguarding given the side platform is a little higher
josh 11:08 pm
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Iván 11:11 pm
we could see one game of mine if you guys want :3
lets end this game
download complete XD really
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
the roll read
never seen that before someone actually reading a samus roll
yeah that is something I have to work on as well I get platform techchased
probably cpuld DI better some throws
yeah and get hit
yep mmmm I have to try that more like I do getupattack they shield it
mmmm should test it more
Iván 11:15 pm
this sheik is doing some pretty cool stuff
not sure how good they are though
Iván 11:17 pm
hhmmm intersting I wonder if that walljump upair beats that nair
because I usually lose against that nair
because I do walljump upb
nope
Hugo 11:18 pm
I can't hear anyone on discord
Iván 11:18 pm
nair is so active that it beats it
josh 11:18 pm
Close and reopen discord
Iván 11:19 pm
I think what happens is the invencibility is already gone when you are reaching the ledge heigth
so they don't need nair to be invincible
yeah I think upair migh work, but walkkjump upb usually just trades (very bad trade)
I like that a lot
he did fair->spotdodge->bomb
2 reads ina row
read of shieldgrab and of shield
-_-
tech in place dsmash teh classic against sheik
even duck does it
yeah thats a risign grapple grab
fizz is on another level
or don't charge when invincible just missile
missile if he goes to platforms follow with fairs
ok theres the bait you talk about
interesting
bair
eh it is kinda difficult dealing with that dsmash with ai->shield, because of how much it pushes you have to sdi in and upb you can't hard punish it
maybe ai->upb
yeah
well in defense of goomy
I think he is in general better on the ledge than duck xd
he has mainly ai->shield (which is really good you should do that more goomy)
fizz is evil
he read that
he baited it really with that fh
goomy
what was that
and the extendur????
you would have got that grabbed
is he listening?
josh 11:28 pm

Iván 11:29 pm
yeah last grab extendur could have grabbed that right'?
or roll in beats it?
yeah I know but grab would have gone forward first
and then it'd have to go back
he was baited
no it was a 50/50
yep
he was really baited I would have fell for it
yeah makes sense what bubba is saying right
actually couldn't you have ff->upb?
he messed up
Iván 11:32 pm
bubba you're evil
I think
was it possible to do it with that heigth?
looks difficult
I don't
wanna check mine :3 just one game it was recorde in that way you guys hate xd
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oh thats mine
it's a mess
yeah all our setups in the local are 20xxte but
I hAD a bad experience with desynchs
and losing recordings
I bought a tripod
 I did it bubba
beggining
maximize all you can can't you zoom your screen?
and put it higher quallity I think it has better qualituy or is it max already?
oh ok ok
can't you like zoom your screen?
no but your screen
mmm but cant you do something like that with the pc
instead of the browser?
yeah well just make it run XD an lets see
xd
look at the striking  stage strikes
fd
yoshi's and dreamland
taqui?
josh 11:40 pm
Takis?
Iván 11:41 pm
neddles he cancelled and shielded
he cancelled them it seems
not sure what to do there maybe crouch the fair and ff to ledge instead of shield
but I'm on that thing emm not tumble
Iván 11:44 pm
mm interesting
I'll look at it and practice it
there I should have uptilted
no
after that
the idea was to bomb waveland missile really
But I preffer to take center anywayws
mess up there
eeh I guess normal getup does too
but I get what you say
oh I did??? Didn't know that
so I could shield?
yeah yeah
shoot that is sick
didn0't know that at all !!
this is really good to know xd
I could just shield there
was not?
forced them to go low
yeah
covers dj
covers dj
yeah
that was a very bad uptilt (should have just dsmash)
unreactable
Iván 11:52 pm
and thos calculations are assuming you are expecting jJUST jab
Iván 11:53 pm
he does mixup second jab and move back after first jab
after missed spaced jab that is
and spotdodge
jab->spotdodge is broken against marth
Iván 11:54 pm
see
XD
bomb?
upair?
mmm interesting
XD
that was so bad by him
Iván 11:56 pm
read of shield xd
because I had guaranteed upb
which one?
oh yeah I think I reacted late and I had done already the dj
Iván 11:58 pm
yeah yeah
I got to do that
but there I messed up and upb oos against ftilt
nope
yes but nope
I0m invincible
Yesterday
Iván 11:59 pm
so bomb jump won't work
yeah that's why light shield is pretty good in that situation
messed up that
look at this
I spotdodge too much
I won :3
XD
that was so dumb
Iván 12:02 am
but do I do the upb as well?
or just buffer the tech?
oooh ok
and stay with dj NICE
thanks!
I did the duck there
at the start
it works
no XD
Iván 12:04 am
I don0t know what to do
against those bairs
out of cc percent
it is a sheik secondary he is a marth main really
wait what what?
tjs
these yeah
shield them ?
and wd in place maybe
yeah yeah wd a little back
ok I have to do that
and I asdi down the bair as well
look it didnt move me
the uptilt edegeguard
yeah I know
jab
duck does jab or just move
but they'll shield
thaspotdodge->dsmash shouldn keep going for it
he was kinda near
yeah
bf ai's on the work
and tried to cc
yeah
were?
oh ok
yeah
I was super nervous by now wd oos werentworking
XD
spaghetti incoming
yeah
the angle down
yeah that is really good
I have to do that
yeah
they fair jab
messes up upb timings
how did i EVEN WIN These games
XD
XD
we were just pressing buttons at that point
then he reverse 3 -0d me xd
my hands weren't working
too much trembles
yes
to get the dsmash
mess up yeah
but do I have chargehsot?
yes
that grab was so bad
ok so somethign weir d happened when uploaded
jus tmove a couple seconds xd
I diede'?? that's sad
nooo the drephen
spotdodgin
yeah I'm struggling a lot there in teh water one
mmmm yeah could try
he read my spotdodge
then my battery died
yeah but I think he could deal with it he isn't a bad player
have to be more confident on shield
but I think part was the nerves people started to crow behind
-_-
it'd be a big upset xd
top 3 (his sheik is alright his marth is better)
and almost beat dark too
-_- I'm getting there
eeeeh like top 11
XD
Hugo 12:20 am
See ya guys
Iván 12:20 am
see ya!
good night everyone!
Hugo 12:20 am
Thanks for the MU help!
Iván 12:20 am
thanks goomz
good night bubba good jmu
learned useful stuff xd
not like the boozer one.....
XD
night