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22:28	Mdnthrvst	is bisexual prejudice more of an old person thing or do twentysomethings espouse it too? I don't interact with enough people of my own age group.
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22:29	Mdnthrvst	and by prejudice I mean even the Fairy Godmother of marriage equality, one Edith Windsor, saying that bisexuals aren't real and everyone is only one or the other.
22:29	Dr_Leonard	wow
22:29	Dr_Leonard	she sounds like a bitch
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22:29	BobDragonslayer	thedeadlymoose: what... what am I reading?
22:29	Mdnthrvst	she is old. People whose worldviews were forged in the twentieth century are often incomprehensible.
22:29	Dr_Leonard	heh
22:30	Dr_Leonard	Sorry, I didn't know how old she was there
22:30	thedeadlymoose	BobDragonslayer: exactly what it looks like
22:30	Dr_Leonard	Yeah
22:30	BobDragonslayer	Mdnthrvst: I have no problem with it, and know plenty of people who identify as bi. For the record, im almost 29
22:30	thedeadlymoose	Mdnthrvst: yes that happens
22:30	thedeadlymoose	in all age groups
22:30	Tuomey	Mdnthrvst: people of all ages are assholes about stuff
22:30	Decibelle	Mdnthrvst: ive experienced people of all ages espousing it
22:30	Dr_Leonard	I may be only 16, but I do not have any problems with bisexual people, unless they're just fucking lame
22:30	Mdnthrvst	well that sucks.
22:31	ProcyonBRB	bisexuals have a lot of weird stuff associated with them, even from people you'd expect to be on the same side
22:31	BobDragonslayer	Are you having to deal with someone like that?
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22:31	Dr_Leonard	People should be judged based on their personality, as opposed to their sexuality
22:31	ProcyonLotor	people should be judged solely on their skateboarding ability
22:31	ProcyonLotor	and then we seperate society into two classes
22:31	ProcyonLotor	gnarly and ungnarly
22:31		Tuomey has a bi friend who does great work for the local LGBT organisation and knows that some people think that this friend is just using bisexuality as a stepping stone to coming out
22:32	Mdnthrvst	human cognition tends to be very shitty with changing notions of identity. The West is now /mostly/ reconciled to the idea of people being gay, but only in a black-or-white sense.
22:32	Dr_Leonard	ProcyonLotor by your standards, I should be tarred and feathered, if not hanged
22:32	thedeadlymoose	ProcyonLotor: go back to the garbage cans
22:32	ProcyonLotor	never
22:32	Dr_Leonard	Tuomey there's a local LGBT community?
22:32	thedeadlymoose	you mean 'always, once the humans are back inside'
22:32	ProcyonLotor	not unless you plan on doing a sick 180 kickflip to noseslide on them
22:32	Tuomey	ProcyonLotor: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/294364_249482285101539_1926109763_n.jpg?oh=b5b268b86c3a02b3c9ef6a4a16b2c8a7&oe=5613B5EE
22:32	Tuomey	Dr_Leonard: aye
22:32		Reptilicus99 is being reminded of a diversity class he is taking and that is ending next week
22:32	Dr_Leonard	They're sure keeping themselves hidden in the closet, cuz I didn't know about it
22:32		EldritchCyanide|AFK peeps in
22:33	BobDragonslayer	"Whatever consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their home is none of my business. Whatever a man and a woman and another woman and a goat and a midget do on a camera for 19.95 is my business"
22:33	Tuomey	Dr_Leonard: you don't know about a lot of local things
22:33	BobDragonslayer	Or something like that
22:33	Tuomey	there were big events just recently
22:33	EldritchCyanide|AFK	Are we talking about sexualities
22:33	Davsto	ay look
22:33	Davsto	it's Coony http://i1.wp.com/www.skateboardpets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Raccoon-caught-skating.jpg
22:33	BobDragonslayer	I forget the exact quote, but I think it's actually a good take on it
22:33	Dr_Leonard	Tuomey that's true, I have little to no social life, that's true...
22:33	Tuomey	you probably didn't know about the champion's league football match that happened today
22:33	Davsto	gnarly
22:33	Mdnthrvst	if anyone gives me shit about it when I move to The Big City (well, Pittsburgh), I'll just play the bigotry-and-oppression card. Especially if they're gay. That will be fun to see a response to.
22:33	Dr_Leonard	Tuomey Well, I knew about that
22:33	Dr_Leonard	my grandmother mentioned it
22:33	Simulakyo	EldritchCyanide|AFK:  Seems more like a discussion on bisexual-phobia
22:33	Dr_Leonard	*biphobia
22:33	Tuomey	to be fair I only knew about it because a bunch of people were walking past my house
22:34	Simulakyo	Right, thanks
22:34		Tuomey lives near the road to the football place
22:34	dingus	alright Reptilicus99! I would move that crossed-out paragraph to the end, 'cause it kind of breaks the flow for me
22:34	Dr_Leonard	Tuomey oh, you live close to my grandmother, then
22:34	EldritchCyanide|AFK	Simulakyo: I used to say I was bi but now I don't even know
22:34	Dr_Leonard	Tuomey my friend at school subscribed my grandmother to a lego magazine under my name a year ago
22:34	Reptilicus99	Gottcha, dingus
22:34	Dr_Leonard	she still gets those lego magazines...
22:35	EldritchCyanide|AFK	I might be pan.  There are a lot of good puns you can make with that...
22:35	Dr_Leonard	I mean, she doesn't have to pay, but it was a weird thing to do
22:35	Mdnthrvst	it's also one of the exceptions where guys have it worse, what with the whole masculinity complex thing. There are like twenty out bisexual woman celebrities for every equivalent man.
22:35	Dr_Leonard	I suppose I should be glad he thought of me, although I don't really care for lego
22:35	Dr_Leonard	I used to have lego sets, but ech, I wasn't much good at building stuff.
22:35	Tuomey	Lego is great
22:35	Dr_Leonard	Mdnthrvst > exceptions where guys have it worse
22:35	Dr_Leonard	hahahahaha
22:35	Tuomey	I miss having lego
22:36	Mdnthrvst	(I guess I might be a dick for using 'bisexual' as shorthand for 'flexible', 'pansexual', or the like)
22:36	BobDragonslayer	EldritchCyanide|AFK: It's important to figure out who and what you are, but I don't think there's anything wrong with not having a specific label on it
22:36	Reptilicus99	dingus: I would suggest replacing " and the loss of one of the agents involved in the discovery of the cavern upon entrance" with "and the loss of Agent █████ during recovery"
22:36	Dr_Leonard	what's the difference between pansexual and bisexual?
22:36	Simulakyo	I think I'm asexual, but I'm not really sure
22:36	EldritchCyanide|AFK	BobDragonslayer: Yeah, I'm not particularly inclined to fit myself in a box on this one. : P  We'll see how it goes!
22:37	BobDragonslayer	you're attracted to individual people, not genders, if i remember right
22:37	Simulakyo	BobDragonslayer, that sounds right
22:37	BobDragonslayer	But I might be confusing it with something else
22:37	BobDragonslayer	hooray!
22:37	Mdnthrvst	Dr_Leonard: bisexual technically implies you're attracted to men and women, while pansexual acknowledges gender as more of a spectrum than a binary.
22:37	Tuomey	Dr_Leonard: Sometimes "bi" is just for dudes and ladies (sometimes it's for all genders), "pan" is p. much always for all genders
22:37	Dr_Leonard	I used to think I was gay, then I thought I was asexual, and now I assume I'm, uh, kinda straight, I suppose
22:37	Mdnthrvst	I think.
22:37	Dr_Leonard	oh, sound.
22:37	EldritchCyanide|AFK	It's all kinda gendery things
22:37	Simulakyo	Mdnthrvst, that, too
22:37	Dr_Leonard	hashtag gendery things
22:38	Mdnthrvst	but bisexual has better branding, so I just say that even though I'd happily date a genderqueer person of any physical sex.
22:38	BobDragonslayer	I got kind of lucky. Growing up I had (and still have) many friends who struggled with this, and a few with gender identity issues as well
22:38	BobDragonslayer	But I never really had any trouble, personally
22:38	Dr_Leonard	me neither
22:39	Mdnthrvst	also pansexual always makes me think of being attracted to mythological satyrs.
22:39	Dr_Leonard	At least, not with that kind of thing
22:39	DolphinSlugchugger	why are you in the gender cloister then you dolts
22:39	DolphinSlugchugger	out! out! find another shellfish
22:39	BobDragonslayer	Because it is all inclusive?
22:39	EldritchCyanide|AFK	"You gotta sex?  I'd tap that.  You don't gotta sex?  Thas cool too.  You don't like the sex?  Bro that is totally fine, nbd."
22:39	BobDragonslayer	And I brought snickerdoodles?
22:39		Metaphysician shambles in.
22:40	EldritchCyanide|AFK	(sex used interchangeably with gender for the thing to work)
22:40	dingus	reptilicus99: the sentence "the function of most of them is still unknown" is pretty clunky sounding
22:40	Dr_Leonard	Metaphysician you call yourself a soldier? You're a total bloody shambles!
22:40	Simulakyo	Hello, Metaphysician
22:40	Metaphysician	I think my issue with pansexual is just, taking to its extreme, could easily just mean sexual attraction to *everything*.
22:41	Metaphysician	So I say bi/heteroflexible for myself.
22:41	DolphinSlugchugger	... /especially/ cookware.
22:41	Dr_Leonard	Metaphysician hey, I can love my teapot if I want to, man
22:41	Simulakyo	Wouldn't that be omnisexual?  Or, no, the word stems have similar meanings...
22:41	DolphinSlugchugger	hehem gotcha
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22:42	Light	I mean... taking, like, "heterosexual" to its extreme, that could also mean sexual attraction to every single person of other genders
22:42	Light	There's the literal translation and the common meaning, y'know?
22:42	DolphinSlugchugger	yeah
22:42		Simulakyo nods
22:43	Dr_Leonard	I thought heterosexual was a guy loving a girl/girl loving a guy
22:43	Dr_Leonard	Site 19 sexual education
22:43	Metaphysician	Yes but pan also could include every gender variant including one's I've never heard of;p I suspect there are like, 10 subgroups of 'queer' I've yet to learn of.
22:43	DolphinSlugchugger	shush
22:43	DolphinSlugchugger	hetero meaning other, sexual meaning... yeah
22:43	BobDragonslayer	personally, I associate "pansexual" with attraction to people instead of genders, and "omnisexual" with the demon god Dumplin, but I don't think that's a very common view
22:43	Metaphysician	So again, I don't have issue with pansexuality, I just don't care for the term.
22:43	DolphinSlugchugger	so the literal meaning of the word is anything other than your own, but it's dictionary definition is that IIRC
22:43	Tuomey	I've actually only seen omnisexual in the context of sci-fi writing
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22:44	DolphinSlugchugger	ew, alien frickers
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22:44	Light	Dr_Leonard - ahh, definitions definitions, just covering my bases with that phrasing
22:44	Tuomey	The meaning being that the character would get down with aliens
22:44	Dr_Leonard	Hmm.
22:44	Dr_Leonard	Guys, question
22:44	Mdnthrvst	it just seems a bit too academic a distinction. Yes bisexual implies a binary way of thinking that probably ought to be done away with, but the essence is the same. You're potentially attracted to anyone, depending on the person in question.
22:44	Metaphysician	If humanoid enough, I'm all for it.
22:44	Simulakyo	Tuomey, xenosexual?
22:44	Dr_Leonard	Is it racist if one is not sexually attracted to people of another race?
22:44	Mdnthrvst	no?
22:44	Mdnthrvst	not at all?
22:44	Tuomey	Simulakyo: wouldn't that imply solely aliens
22:45	Simulakyo	Tuomey:  Ah, true
22:45	DolphinSlugchugger	tuomey: or people anywhere else than where you live
22:45	dingus	I used to think I was
22:45	Mdnthrvst	prejudice is not the same as disinterest.
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22:45	Simulakyo	Dr_Leonard:  I would say that it isn't
22:45	Dr_Leonard	ah, good
22:45	BobDragonslayer	Mdnthrvst said it better than I could
22:45	Reptilicus99	No, not unless you actively think they're unattractive to the point of being derogatory, Dr_Leonard
22:45	Dr_Leonard	Not saying I'm one of those people, just was not sure
22:45	thedeadlymoose	I would say it is
22:45	thedeadlymoose	however
22:45	Davsto	If you actively say "wow I don't like them because they're black" - that's racist
22:45	thedeadlymoose	this is not really a good conversation for this room
22:46	Dr_Leonard	Reptillicus99 well, if you think you're unattractive, no problem, as long as you don't scream "YOU ARE UNATTRACTIVE" at them
22:46	Davsto	If you just happen to have never liked a black person
22:46	Davsto	That isn't
22:46	BobDragonslayer	fair enough, sir moose
22:46	thedeadlymoose	so let's please take it elsewhere post haste. op order pls
22:46	Davsto	Alright
22:46		thedeadlymoose not a sir, but fair enough ;)
22:46	BobDragonslayer	oh, er
22:46	Dr_Leonard	damn, right in the middle of my sentence
22:46	BobDragonslayer	Hey, look, a distraction!
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22:46	thedeadlymoose	is
22:46	DolphinSlugchugger	wait, the whole kebab, or just a cutlet
22:46	Tuomey	BobDragonslayer: Imperator of Chat is the title you're looking for
22:46	Metaphysician	One cannot help what they are attracted to.
22:46	thedeadlymoose	is it a dragon
22:46	Simulakyo	What?  Where?
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22:47	Metaphysician	Sorry, I thought your op order was for the other conversation.
22:47	thedeadlymoose	Ah, I see. No worries, then.