16:12	gaspar	DTC, for an overwhelming amount of Americans the racial component of their identity is a core
16:12	gaspar	Is this state of affairs net positive or net harmful
16:12	bobbyjk^	sorry for him, brad
16:12	lauchlin1	bobbyjk a good idea i think
16:12	brad61	me to bobby
16:12	brad61	great guy, I will miss him
16:13	brad61	as I miss a lot of my ol friends now, old age sucks
16:13	bobbyjk^	I sleep beside greg every night, in a hospital bed, so i can get up fast if he needs, suctioning, or asparatinon, or  other shitty stuff
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16:14	Dreamstwice	brad   losing your friends who you outlive is one of the curses of a long life.
16:14	bobbyjk^	suctioning, mean running a cathether tube down heis neck in a hole
16:14	brad61	dreams I am only 67 and lost so many already it is gettin nuts, most younger than me
16:14	bobbyjk^	to suck up the pleghm
16:14	bobbyjk^	and crap
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16:14	bobbyjk^	yup[ dreams
16:14	brad61	yer a good man bobbby, take that from me
16:15	gaspar	life is temporary
16:15	bobbyjk^	so far, ive outlived all my buddies from hs
16:15	bobbyjk^	scary
16:15	Octavian	gaspar: kindly fuck off
16:15	brad61	me too bobby
16:15	brad61	and it is scary
16:15	gaspar	Octavian: did you get triggered
16:15	bobbyjk^	and ill b4 a princly 57 on thanksgiving
16:15	Octavian	bobbyjk^: I hope things go good with greg
16:15	gaspar	Perhaps you're a Christian
16:15	bobbyjk^	thaks Octavian
16:15	gaspar	and you've been holding onto the lifelong delusion that you're gonna live forever
16:15	gaspar	up in heaven where art Mbombo
16:15	Octavian	gaspar: maybe you could pretend to act like a decent human being?
16:16	Octavian	and we could just ignore these sociopathic comments you've made?
16:16	gaspar	Octavian: you told me to fuck off
16:16	gaspar	I reminded life is temporary
16:16	brad61	bobby , got the specials loaded already, when I get the diagnosis, I am history
16:16	bobbyjk^	well theres a decent comment
16:16	gaspar	the belief that life is not temporary causes enormous grief in the lives of humans
16:16	gaspar	it is important, on a recurring basis, to remind ourselves of the temporary nature of all things
16:16	Dreamstwice	lol... everytime someone tells lianakea to fuck off (which isseveral tines a day)... he has to psychoanalyze them.
16:16	Dreamstwice	times
16:16	gaspar	so that when we encounter tremendous loss in our lives we have the emotional machinery to cope with such loss
16:16	CaptainJack	There is a time and a place for such reminders .. even if the time and place is now, I doubt you're the best one to carry the message, gaspar
16:17	bobbyjk^	yes life is temporary, for all of us. And amazingly, no matter how old you are, we all have the same amout of time
16:17	gaspar	the time and place is always
16:17	gaspar	especially during intense times of loss
16:17	DTC	woot, climbing up the ladder in hearthstone
16:17	bobbyjk^	each minute, hour, day
16:17	brad61	we are all temp
16:17	CaptainJack	You're very academically intelligent, but your social intelligence could .. use a lot of work
16:17	DTC
16:17	gaspar	My social intelligence is in the 99%tile, naturally
16:17	Octavian	gaspar: are you off the medication atm?
16:17	gaspar	As is common for high IQ children
16:17	Octavian	gaspar: remember earlier when we suggested you go see a therapist?
16:17	[Abiding_7]	gaspar: not if you don't agree with them..
16:17	CaptainJack	Given how much of a douche you can be, no, I dont think it is
16:18	Banquo	Is gaspar lania?
16:18	CaptainJack	Yes
16:18	Dreamstwice	yup
16:18	gaspar	CaptainJack: you have conflated social intelligence with presentation of self
16:18	brad61	hi iq? ya think?
16:18	Octavian	why isn't that thing banned from this channel
16:18	gaspar	CaptainJack: high IQ people have higher social intelligence, on average
16:18	brad61	cj, nail him
16:18	gaspar	there exists a positive correlation
16:18	gaspar	contend?
16:18	gaspar	it is a social myth made up by Dumb Dumbs that high intelligence people are not highly socially intelligent
16:19	gaspar	CaptainJack: real talk -- the people in this channel are emotionally fragile and not my peers
16:19	gaspar	So, I do not treat them as my peers
16:19	gaspar	this enrages emotionally fragile people
16:19	CaptainJack	You fail to read people and how they are likely to react, OR you're a sociopathic cunt that doesn't care. You pick your damn poison. I'm not going to argue it with you; you wont listen to the point anyway.
16:19	lauchlin1	yawns heavily
16:19	lauchlin1	bored, just bored
16:19	bobbyjk^	what
16:19	brad61	post yer iq gas, dont make it up
16:19	Octavian	the real talk is that lania is in fact a sociopath
16:19	Dreamstwice	most people dont enjoy being lectured by narcissistic asswipes about how inferior they are to said asswipes.
16:19	gaspar	CaptainJack: this is a chatroom. We use this chatroom for different purposes
16:19	gaspar	I use this chatroom to discuss ideas in a mostly aethical, aemotional way
16:19	brad61	gasfart, blow me
16:19	bobbyjk^	Look MF. ppl in this room are real texters, with real lives... so fuc off
16:20	DTC	out of white guilt?
16:20	gaspar	others who use this room for social bonding will find that offputting
16:20	gaspar	as I find their lack of intelligence offputting
16:20	gaspar	this is merely stylistic difference, not globally condemnable social behavior
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16:20	bobbyjk^	ther go offputting somewere
16:20	gaspar	CaptainJack: I treat my peers as peers
16:20	brad61	op anywhere?
16:20	CaptainJack	gaspar: treating people as less than you is not socially intelligent. I'm not /ignoring you, but I will now stop talking to you. Your crime: being more of a douche than Martin Shkreli
16:20	lauchlin1	good grief
16:20	gaspar	you and I have a reasonable relationship, because you're not cognitively retarded
16:21	gaspar	CaptainJack: I thought you handled this conversation in a highly socially intelligent way
16:21	Octavian	So positive that he just declared his intention to ignore you
16:21	Octavian	and a douche
16:21	Dreamstwice	lauchlin1  real piece of work, isn't he?
16:21	bobbyjk^	gaspar, if your gonna use 25 cent wurds, ber sure you realize who you takln to
16:21	DTC	what's your favorite planet?  Mine is the sun
16:21	gaspar	CaptainJack: it is important to not conflate social intelligence with popularity
16:21	bobbyjk^	LOLOL
16:21	CaptainJack	Anyway, I'm off to be a nerd and play some D&D
16:21	Octavian	CaptainJack: which edition?
16:21	lauchlin1	You know I know a guy who got his PhD in neuroscience at 24 from mcGill. He's one of the best people you'll ever meet, but scary, scary smart. But also an awesome guy.
16:21	CaptainJack	3.5
16:21	bobbyjk^	peace out CJ
16:21	DTC	play hearthstone instead, CJ
16:22	lauchlin1	CaptainJack, have fun
16:22	gaspar	We can look at the definition of social intelligence on Wikipedia. I would say it's about awareness of your own emotions and intentions
16:22	Octavian	enjoy
16:22	DTC	good ruleset there, though
16:22	gaspar	The emotions and intentions of others
16:22	gaspar	ability to regulate your own emotions, ability to empathize with others and see from their perspective
16:22	brad61	cj is probably the most higly intelligent in this room, dont push him gasfart you will lose
16:22	Octavian	so·ci·o·path ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/Submit noun a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
16:22	gaspar	CaptainJack and I are roughly intellectual peers
16:22	Dreamstwice	lauchlin... most folks let others judge how intelligent they are....
16:23	lauchlin1	Dreamstwice, yes
16:23	gaspar	It becomes impossible to really sort people's intelligences once they're greater or equal to your intelligence minus one standard deviation
16:23	bobbyjk^	who
16:23	bobbyjk^	did you break a brasin stem ?
16:23	bobbyjk^	or was thart a anursyum ?
16:23	gaspar	I'm trying to think of there are other key components of social intelligence
16:23	bobbyjk^	now your reciting darwin fanatsisnms
16:23	gaspar	So, for instance, I understand people are tribalistic
16:23	gaspar	I don't engage their tribalism
16:24	gaspar	I smash it
16:24	brad61	gasfart, your arent even close to CaptainJack
16:24	bobbyjk^	there ya go
16:24	bobbyjk^	i said darwin, you do it
16:24	gaspar	brad61: you are unable to present evidence
16:24	bobbyjk^	haha GASFART!
16:24	Octavian	brad61: can you please stop fawning over how intelligent you think CaptainJack is?
16:24	bobbyjk^	love it Dreams
16:24	gaspar	this is because your intelligence is less than your emotional control
16:25	bobbyjk^	was my dads nickname for Sunoco Gas!
16:25	gaspar	it's more important to you to maintain and regulate social alliances than to robustly adhere to methodology
16:25	gaspar	this is why you are dumber than me
16:25	brad61	Octavian, i do cause I know how inteligent he is, I made mensa, and I cant compare to him
16:25	lauchlin1	laniakea's definitely bright but is also very hard to watch. It's embarrassing. Nothing against autism, two of my best friends have it, but this is like watching autism go full retard
16:25	bobbyjk^	Cus the hi test shit, the 240,260, octane, smelled like gasfarts
16:25	Dreamstwice	No one doubts CJ's intelligence... we don't always agree with his opinions, but he seems smart enough.
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16:25	DTC	o
16:25	DTC	!topic
16:25	Debates	topic 84 of 451: Has the "war on drugs" been successful?
16:26	Banquo	hey lauchlin1
16:26		+++ Debates set the channel to mode +l 70
16:26	lauchlin1	Hi Banquo
16:26	bobbyjk^	not at all i still cant buy any sence here cheap
16:26	brad61	dreams, his opinions are his, not for me to judge em, just sayin,
16:26	bobbyjk^	wb banquo
16:26	Octavian	brad61:  two things. 1. I object mainly because focusing on CJ's perceived high intellect only serves as validation for this asswipe
16:26	Banquo	lauchlin1: wazzup
16:27	lauchlin1	watching desperate housewives, you?
16:27	bobbyjk^	Chopped, banqou
16:27	Octavian	brad61: 2. I am skeptical that chatting is a useful way to form a basis on which to estimate someone's intelligence
16:27	bobbyjk^	you know im into cooking
16:27	Robert_Catholic	lauchlin1: How gay.
16:27	brad61	Octavian may I say this clearly to you, go fuck yerself
16:27	lauchlin1	Robert_Catholic, aren't you late for a white pride world wide rally?
16:28	Banquo	Robert_Catholic: man, shut the fuck up
16:28	Robert_Catholic	lauchlin1: Sorry, I fail to see the relevance
16:28	Robert_Catholic	Banquo: Oh, dont tell me that you dont agree
16:28	gaspar	Robert_Catholic: I think we were in the middle of a debate yesterday
16:28	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: Oh?
16:28	Banquo	Robert_Catholic how does watching a TV show make you gay?
16:28	gaspar	we were discussing ISIS
16:28	Dreamstwice	Many off us have been chatting for years... we have a fairly good idea how people are.
16:28	bobbyjk^	we were ?
16:28	Dreamstwice	of
16:29	lauchlin1	brb
16:29	Robert_Catholic	Banquo: You don’t have any other relations to the term «how gay» than «yes, I am gay»?
16:29	bobbyjk^	Dreamstwice, Ive been chating to you since 2007,
16:29	bobbyjk^	when u was Kirvon
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16:29	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: Ah, I would love to finish the debate
16:29	DTC	you're such and Andrew Van de Kamp
16:29	gaspar	I can't remember where were at
16:29	bobbyjk^	and many of us are long time
16:29	DTC	s/and/an/
16:30	gaspar	DTC, race is net harmful for our nation
16:30	brad61	and no ops around
16:30	gaspar	Net harmful ideas should be abandoned
16:30	DTC	I think race creates diversity
16:30	Banquo	Robert_Catholic: I'll rephrase then, how is watching Desperate Housewives 'gay'?
16:30	gaspar	How so
16:30	DTC	I might be wrong, but I think so
16:30	gaspar	I think there are benefits to the social construct of race
16:30	gaspar	I think they are outweighed by the negatives
16:30	brad61	dtc, of course it does, human history
16:30	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: Well, I think you where saying that international rights protect an anti-militia group from being attacked and persecuted in war-time, while I tried to explain that I don’t apply international rights to anything at all.
16:31	Robert_Catholic	Banquo: You still don’t see how the sentence is used?
16:31	Robert_Catholic	anti-state militia group*
16:31	Banquo	Robert_Catholic: I see it just fine
16:31	Banquo	how is watching Desperate Housewives 'gay'?
16:32	Robert_Catholic	Banquo: Oh, good. You answered your own question.
16:32	brad61	dtc, i get that, when we become familiar with others of a diff race, all that changes tho
16:32	gaspar	Why don't you apply international rights to anything
16:32	Banquo	Robert_Catholic: I think you're just trying to troll like the shit head that you are
16:32	DTC	trolling is illegal
16:32	brad61	lol Banquo
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16:32	gaspar	Robert_Catholic: claim: your standard of justice is likely worse than those codified in international laws which are the result of deliberate, informed, multi-party discussion
16:32		+++ Mabus has given voice to aos3
16:32	Dreamstwice	I suspect using "gay" as a perjorative is.... ummmm.. gay....
16:33	bobbyjk^	o my
16:33	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: Yes, my standard of morality in this sense is only valid in regard to the interest of the State, which I do not uphold as conditioned by the sensus fidei.
16:33	brad61	dreams dont use ten dollar words on him, he dont understand em
16:33	gaspar	Which entity should be the primary focus on rights-based theories: individuals or states?
16:34	Banquo	brad61: Am I wrong here?
16:34	gaspar	(The US Constitution says states have no rights, only individuals)
16:34	brad61	not at all Banquo
16:34	gaspar	(The UN Declaration of Human Rights concurs)
16:34	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: I view the State and the people, as the same entity, thus I use the word nation to describe a local geographical place with officially approved laws governed, upheld and practiced by the State.
16:35	lauchlin1	I am gay, and I am watching DH but really, who gives a damn. It is a funny fucking show.
16:35	bobbyjk^	gak
16:35	brad61	states rights dont exist?
16:35	bobbyjk^	OMG Lauchlin!
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16:35	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: The laws of my nation can not afflict you.
16:35	gaspar	The state and the people are typically not considered the same in political theory
16:35	bobbyjk^	How did I nort Know that
16:35	bobbyjk^	woo hoo
16:35	gaspar	In a nation-state the nation is the collection of the people
16:35	gaspar	And the state is a specific legal entity that exercises power on behalf of the nation
16:35	bobbyjk^	gaspar, did you get your diplona from were <
16:35	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: Yes, correct
16:35	bobbyjk^	a cereal box /
16:35	gaspar	The German state has changed over time by the German nation is more fixed
16:36	brad61	but the law doesnt say that, gaspar, states have rights too
16:36	gaspar	Robert_Catholic: the laws of nations often do affect non-citizens
16:36	Dreamstwice	gaspar... we don't come to debates to be lectured... take your act somewhere else.  it's tiresome.
16:36	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: To some degree, yes, yet you can not separate the State and the people, and thus it remains one nation. But this is adiafora in regard to our original point.
16:36	gaspar	(I use nation as shorthand for nation-state, often)
16:37	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: I always use nation like that
16:37	brad61	gaspar, re-read the constitution
16:37	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: I use Government otherwise
16:37	gaspar	Okay
16:37	gaspar	I looked up sensus fidei and I don't see how it fits here
16:37	gaspar	Sensus fidei (sense of the faith), also called sensus fidelium (sense of the faithful) when exercised by the body of the faithful as a whole, is "the supernatural appreciation of faith on the part of the whole people, when, from the bishops to the last of the faithful, they manifest a universal consent in matters of faith and morals".[1] Quoting th
16:37	gaspar	e document Lumen gentium of the Second Vatican Council, the Catechism of the Catholic Church adds: "By this appreciation of the faith, aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth, the People of God, guided by the sacred teaching authority (Magisterium),... receives... the faith, once for all delivered to the saints... the People unfailingly adhere
16:37	gaspar	s to this faith, penetrates it more deeply with right judgment, and applies it more fully in daily life."[2]
16:38	brad61	usa is made up of fifty diff states, each with their own rules
16:38	bobbyjk^	lol
16:38	Robert_Catholic	gaspar: Yes, my standard of morality in this sense is only valid in regard to the interest of the State, which I do not uphold as conditioned by the sensus fidei, i.e. the «sense of the faithful» which is the «majority vote».
16:38	Dreamstwice	any ops awake?
16:38	gaspar	Okay
16:38	brad61	and some of those state rules defi, the fed rules