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  1. Smooze by god I'm sick of these types.
  2. 01:14 Smooze You get one in at least once every week and it's the same thing every time.
  3. 01:15 Mena_ (.info is trash now, that is the way it will always be)
  4. 01:15 Mena_ :\
  5. 01:15 Mena_ hugs smooze
  6. 01:15 Mena_ I still don't think you should be encouraging him...
  7. 01:16 Smooze And I try to call them out, and nobody ever heeds.
  8. 01:16 Smooze Maybe I'm just too cynical now.
  9. 01:16 Mena_ (Cynical is just another word for maturity, haha)
  10. 01:17 *** Swiftfeather is now known as Swift|L4D2
  11. 01:18 Mena_ (Although, true maturity is having the capacity to realize when a cynic's POV will fall upon deaf ears)
  12. 01:18 Smooze Honestly, I've had less and less reason to be there since mods like swashy showed up. It used to be a fun channel, but now it's just blah.
  13. 01:19 Mena_ (We still stop in every now and then to remind folks that we still exist, and possibly even to offer sound advice)
  14. 01:20 *** Feral quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211])
  15. 01:20 Mena_ (I don't have a problem with the swash-meister for the most part, but niichan can suck like 40 goddamn dicks)
  16. 01:21 Smooze I just don't like the way they instantly swoop in to stifle any conversation that doesn't have the word tulpa mentioned at least three times in every sentence.
  17. 01:22 Mena_ (dead island is a shitty game, don't try to defend it haha)
  18. 01:22 Smooze Can't deny that.
  19. 01:22 Smooze But it's not really about dead island anyway.
  20. 01:23 Smooze It all seemed like so much fun in the beginning, and now people seem to be doing little but making a mockery of the whole business.
  21. 01:23 Mena_ (No, I understand. I'm just being facetious.)
  22. 01:24 Mena_ (I don't even bother to log in under my nick anymore, because at least they won't do anything to Mena)
  23. 01:24 Smooze And I, in turn, understand what it is to be a cranky old man.
  24. 01:24 Mena_ (I feel like I've been a cranky old man since I turned 18)
  25. 01:25 Smooze Everything seems to be changing too fast for me.
  26. 01:25 Smooze This. The bronies as well. It used to be so much more fun in the old days. Where did the magic go?
  27. 01:26 *** TC|Jaden joined #tulpacuddles
  28. 01:26 +++ [^_^] has given voice to TC|Jaden
  29. 01:26 Mena_ (All of the good people left, either moving on to other things in their lives or just because they are tired of the bullshit that comes with the territory)
  30. 01:27 Mena_ (Now it's just 3edgy5u scene-kids and mouthbreathing aspies left)
  31. 01:27 Mena_ (circle-jerking their way to the fucking moon)
  32. 01:29 Mena_ (Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset about it. I recognize this as a simple progression, especially considering this websites extensive ties to 4chan, that festering cancerhole of the internet)
  33. 01:29 Smooze Just because it's the natural order of things doesn't mean you shouldn't be annoyed about it.
  34. 01:30 *** TC|Jaden quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  35. 01:30 Mena_ (Back in summer, I warned people at length what continuing to promote on that type of website would do, what exposing tulpa to the mainstream would make us become)
  36. 01:30 Smooze Come to think about it, the main sorce of my doubt these days is simply the people that hang around there.
  37. 01:31 Mena_ (eh... I'm not getting anything from this site or IRC anymore. I haven't since month one. Why should I care if it goes down the shitter?)
  38. 01:32 Smooze I find myself wondering whether any of it is true at all, simply because of the morons I'm surrounded by.
  39. 01:32 Smooze And paerhaps, quite possibly, I'm one of them.
  40. 01:32 Mena_ (Any of it?)
  41. 01:33 Mena_ (Still no full tulpa?)
  42. 01:33 Smooze Nah.
  43. 01:33 Smooze I'm not giving up. I made a promise. But that place isn't making things any easier.
  44. 01:34 *** Jakob_ joined #tulpacuddles
  45. 01:34 +++ [^_^] has given voice to Jakob_
  46. 01:34 Mena_ (No judgement here, bro. It takes a certain kind of thing to make a tulpa in the first place. The modern understanding that it's easy is far from the case, as far as I know)
  47. 01:35 Mena_ (I felt like I was going screaming fast by having a basic one at two months)
  48. 01:35 Mena_ (And I have been a practicing buddhist since I was maybe 9)
  49. 01:37 Mena_ (Which, and I still solidly espouse this theory, is the only actual way to make one)
  50. 01:37 Smooze She speaks to me, sometimes. I've had a number of unmistakeable moments.
  51. 01:38 Mena_ (kudos!)
  52. 01:38 Mena_ terrific~
  53. 01:39 Smooze Just wish I was better at monologueing.
  54. 01:39 Mena_ (Out of curiosity, have you tried doing it the traditional way?)
  55. 01:39 Smooze That's likely why things are going so slow for me.
  56. 01:39 Smooze The traditional way? Like, with the guides?
  57. 01:39 Mena_ (ah, well, I've never had a problem with that)
  58. 01:40 Mena_ (No. I mean sitting down and meditating for hour on end until you have the right series of epiphanies)
  59. 01:41 Mena_ (A tulpa is a means of reflection)
  60. 01:41 Smooze I haven't done a full-on meditation session for weeks. I've just been either too busy, or when I'm done being busy I just can't be bothered. But now you mention it...
  61. 01:42 Smooze The bulk of my progress did come from the time when I did the meditation.
  62. 01:42 Mena_ (keeping them around is rather outside of the zen mentality, but there nothing wrong with realizing that as you change, so do they)
  63. 01:42 Mena_ (and vice-versa, I would assume)
  64. 01:43 Mena_ (well, there you go)
  65. 01:43 Smooze I have little interest in the zen mentality at this point. I am doing it just because I want something to explore.
  66. 01:43 Smooze (also the results are quite nice)
  67. 01:44 Mena_ (want nothing, and you will find its acquisition far easier, and far more meaningless)
  68. 01:44 Mena_ (I'm just spitballing here, ofc)
  69. 01:45 Smooze Yes, elimination of desire and whatnot.
  70. 01:45 Smooze Maybe one day, once I can grok the concept.
  71. 01:46 Mena_ (haha, well, best of luck to you)
  72. 01:46 Smooze So if you're a practicing bhuddist and you follow the old ways, may I ask why you keep mena around?
  73. 01:46 Mena_ (I would almost suggest giving up, but I am ethically opposed to the elimination of a consciousness, fledgling or not)
  74. 01:47 Smooze This is just curiosity, mostly.
  75. 01:47 Smooze ah, I see.
  76. 01:47 Mena_ (Because I am not strong enough to bear it)
  77. 01:47 Mena_ (... I made her too perfect)
  78. 01:48 Mena_ (it is rather difficult to reconcile my western socialization with eastern philosophy)
  79. 01:48 Smooze Is it such a bad thing to hold on to what you hold dear?
  80. 01:48 Smooze There will be other chances for enlightenment, after all.
  81. 01:48 Mena_ (I should be able to abdicate the responsibility I feel for her, and to let go of what she represents to me)
  82. 01:50 Mena_ (But I find I cannot. I aspire to be as virtuous as she is without trying, to recognize her and perhaps hope that someday she will be able to recognize greatness in me)
  83. 01:50 Mena_ (Aristotle has a powerful lure to the western mind... and I based my ethical code quite heavily upon his own)
  84. 01:51 Smooze My code is and always has been simple. The oh-so-classic do unto others what you would wish upon yourself.
  85. 01:52 Smooze Not overly original, and possibly over-simplistic, but it works.
  86. 01:52 Smooze Most of the time.
  87. 01:52 Mena_ (She has no place in a world like this, and I realize that. Her very existence is testament to that fact. But I wish it were otherwise so powerfully, that giving up on her would mean giving up on myself)
  88. 01:52 Mena_ (Golden rule is great too)
  89. 01:53 Smooze They are relics of a place that never was, and never will be. And yet it is a place we all dream of.
  90. 01:54 Mena_ (So, I love her with all my heart. I love her for what she is, and how she reflects on me. A great failing in my quest for eastern enlightenment, but a vice that I have to cling to, because it resonates to the core of my being that someone like that ought to exist, and that they deserve to live more than anyone.)
  91. 01:55 Mena_ (I'm waxing romantic, apologies)
  92. 01:55 Mena_ (I know how irritating that is)
  93. 01:55 Smooze Ah, getting emotion is nothing to be ashamed of. We have emotions for a reason, after all.
  94. 01:56 *** Swift|L4D2 is now known as Swiftfeather
  95. 01:56 Smooze It takes a lot more than a little sappiness to bother me greatly, especially since I'm prone to it myself.
  96. 01:57 Mena_ (Thank you for listening, then.)
  97. 01:57 Mena_ (I don't say stuff like this very often.)
  98. 01:57 Smooze Listening is what I do. I thrive on it.
  99. 01:57 Mena_ (Admirable, haha)
  100. 01:58 Smooze Having people confide in me makes me happy, because I know that talking always helps. And people always feel safer talking to a mere voice from the magic box.
  101. 01:58 Mena_ (the internet is a great tool, used responsibly.)
  102. 01:59 Smooze But although I consider it my strength, it is also my weakness. It makes creating a tulpa incredibly difficult, for example.
  103. 01:59 Mena_ (I hope that I at least didn't put even more of a damper on your spirits regarding the nature of your fellow tulpa creators)
  104. 02:00 Mena_ (syntax, what is it, lol)
  105. 02:00 Smooze Nah. If anything you give me hope.
  106. 02:00 Mena_ (It is good to listen. It is better to know how to speak and be worth listening to)
  107. 02:01 Mena_ (Not that I'm implying that I fall into the latter category, rest assured, I'm just a windbag most of the time)
  108. 02:01 Smooze I was just so sick of all the egocides etc. etc. etc. that take up the majority of everything nowadays.
  109. 02:01 Smooze I guess I just snapped there.
  110. 02:02 Mena_ (I'll reiterate- scene-kids and aspies)
  111. 02:03 Smooze It's quite literally why we can't have nice things.
  112. 02:03 Mena_ (Don't let them get to you. Making a tulpa is a profoundly personal thing. The majority of them simply gravitated to the idea of tulpa as a means of getting attention that they are desperately starved for)
  113. 02:04 Smooze Because humans will always find a way to shit all over everything.
  114. 02:04 Mena_ (It is. They are why I stopped visiting 4chan 5 years ago, and why I gave up on 420chan of late)
  115. 02:04 Smooze And there's no way to keep them out.
  116. 02:05 Smooze You just enjoy it while you can and then bail once the morons start pouring in.
  117. 02:05 Mena_ (It's not a crime to be ignorant. Simply a disservice to yourself and others)
  118. 02:05 Mena_ (basically that, yes)
  119. 02:06 Smooze It shouldn't have to be that way.
  120. 02:06 Smooze Ah, well.
  121. 02:07 Mena_ (It is that way because that is simply how people are socialized)
  122. 02:07 Mena_ (perhaps even how humanity finds itself divided)
  123. 02:08 Mena_ (Tell me, have you read Aldous Huxley's magnum opus, Brave New World?)
  124. 02:08 Smooze Oh yes.
  125. 02:09 Smooze I did so parrallell to orwell's 1984 as a comparion paper for school.
  126. 02:10 Mena_ (I see. Perhaps it would be worth another look.)
  127. 02:10 Smooze Why do you ask?
  128. 02:10 Mena_ (Much better to be a Watson than a Marx)
  129. 02:11 Mena_ (Better yet, to not have to face such adversity)
  130. 02:13 Mena_ (Don't hate them for their complacency. Envy their happiness, and try to find your won)
  131. 02:13 Mena_ (*own)
  132. 02:13 Smooze Things will change. They'll change, or we'll die. Or quite possibly both.
  133. 02:13 Mena_ ( I think not, but we can always dream)
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