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  2. [16:37:26] <+Rainne[PS4]> And there it is. You can play any way you want in Elite, as long as it's combat.
  3. [16:37:49] <Tourada> Pff
  4. [16:37:50] <+Jinxtrr> lol!!
  5. [16:38:06] <+Rainne[PS4]> Or done with griefers' permission, such as equipping yourself to survive them.
  6. [16:38:08] <Tourada> Who needs combat anyways
  7. [16:38:23] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> All im saying is im not knocking anyone for playing in Solo or whatever. But surviving in open really isnt bad, and its just about outfitting your ship correctly and appropriately to survive encounters with gankers
  8. [16:38:55] <+Rainne[PS4]> I don't want to play the griefers' game, not even if I win. Their game is not legitimate.
  9. [16:39:15] * Vin_Ikra eyes Rainne[PS4]
  10. [16:39:23] <+Jinxtrr> Open is THAT bad....
  11. [16:39:37] * Tourada squints at Vin_Ikra
  12. [16:39:38] <+MusTheBunneh[PC]> Bobaaganoosh[XB]: Then we have different priorities... when I'm hauling cargo, delivering it is all I care for, and I avoid any other distraction or threat
  13. [16:39:40] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> It's really satisfying tho to deny them their kills, escape. It's funny getting hate mail bc you chose to "run away" than stay and take getting your ship blown up
  14. [16:40:00] <+Jinxtrr> True lol.
  15. [16:40:03] <+Rainne[PS4]> There is no reason to keep finding excuses to empower griefers. Even if you think they can't be changed (and are therefore not responsible for their actions), they shouldn't continue to be empowered.
  16. [16:40:18] * Tourada throws stone at Vin_Ikra
  17. [16:40:25] <Jorge_MarstonND> I only play private or solo when I engineer ships, don't want to be bothered then. I do anything else in open and only got ganked once.. Still looking for that human pirate :(
  18. [16:40:27] <Vin_Ikra> oi
  19. [16:40:42] <%Pistou|Work> ...the problem is that you talk like griefers are common
  20. [16:40:53] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Open ISNT that bad. The only areas you'll find big problems is CG systems. And even then, it isnt as bad as people make it out to be.
  21. [16:41:02] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Outfit your ship right, and you wont have a problem.
  22. [16:41:29] <%Pistou|Work> they aren't, really. Yes, you can encounter some, but you will definitively encounter way more non-griefer pilots
  23. [16:41:29] <+Rainne[PS4]> If they're not common, then what's the problem in flying shieldless rather than preemptively surrendering part of my potential to deal with them? After all, they're not common, right?
  24. [16:41:30] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Like, if you know youre here to trade, sacrifice a LITTLE extra cargo for some proper shields. And youll be laughing in griefers' faces
  25. [16:41:38] <Jorge_MarstonND> even if you don't outfit your ship if you don't play in popular systems you won't even meet different people
  26. [16:41:41] <%Pistou|Work> Because NPCs are a thing
  27. [16:42:14] <%Pistou|Work> ...and because stations walls are a thing too
  28. [16:42:19] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Rainne[PS4]: what's the problem with not wearing your seatbelt while driving your car?
  29. [16:42:22] <%Pistou|Work> ^
  30. [16:42:26] <+Rainne[PS4]> I'll encounter NPCs either way, and can evade them in a fully-laden Type-9 either way (and have done so several times before), therefore they don't factor into this question.
  31. [16:42:51] <+Rainne[PS4]> I don't have to fill half my trunk with non-payload equipment in order to wear a seat belt.
  32. [16:42:53] <%Pistou|Work> That's because you are lucky
  33. [16:42:59] --- Pistou|Work is now known as Pistou
  34. [16:42:59] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Rainne[PS4]: get where im going? Yeah, it probably is safe to go from here to the store with no seatbelt...but do youll wish you had it ON if you DID wreck
  35. [16:43:05] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Because crap can happen
  36. [16:43:07] <%Pistou> Ganker-grade NPCs exists
  37. [16:43:17] <%Pistou> I experienced those recently
  38. [16:43:28] <%Pistou> NPCs in wings flying in engineered ships
  39. [16:43:53] <+Rainne[PS4]> Or just remove the source of the problem directly by playing in Solo.
  40. [16:44:01] <+Rainne[PS4]> Rather than pretending *I* am the problem.
  41. [16:44:26] <Tourada> How's zhe case load been the last week?
  42. [16:44:39] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Either way dude. Do what you want. But playing in solo, you miss out on half the cool interactions you get in open. For every griefer out there, theres tons of cool pilots i meet all the time in chat.
  43. [16:44:43] <@Cpt_Shinobi[BureaucRat]> Thinks that anyone who hasn't heard this song yet really should: https://youtu.be/DT61L8hbbJ4
  44. [16:44:47] <+Rainne[PS4]> I don't want to legitimate their game by beating them at it. I want to play mine instead.
  45. [16:44:56] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Dont be scared away from Open. Learn to defend yourself, outfit your ship properly, and you wont have a problem in open.
  46. [16:45:00] <@Cpt_Shinobi[BureaucRat]> */me
  47. [16:45:10] <%Pistou> In 3 years of playing I have been player interdicted around 10 times...
  48. [16:45:37] <+Rainne[PS4]> Well, either systems are populated by players and therefore have griefers to avoid, or systems are unpopulated by players and therefore safe but give none of the benefits of Open. Either way, there's no reason to play Open.
  49. [16:45:39] <%Pistou> But I have met some very nice fellow CMDRs
  50. [16:46:08] <+Rainne[PS4]> I meet plenty of people outside the game itself: here, or in chat elsewhere.
  51. [16:46:36] <@Cpt_Shinobi[BureaucRat]> Is this two days in a row ppl have tried to push you into open Rainne[PS4]
  52. [16:46:41] <+Rainne[PS4]> And I don't have to consent to PVP with griefers in order to meet non-griefers that way.
  53. [16:47:12] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> You have the right to play anyway you want. I'm not knocking you for playing in Solo. But in Open, you meet so many cool players, and have funny encounters. And escaping griefers is really satisfying.
  54. [16:47:18] <%Pistou> Welll... I guess it's your choice to stay in your safe space alone rather than playing an MMO <.<
  55. [16:47:38] <@Cpt_Shinobi[BureaucRat]> Rats we have all heard the arguments pros/cons of open v solo. plz your just beating a dead horse.
  56. [16:47:53] <GreaseMonkey80> I like playing in open. Griefers add to the risk.... sometimes you even get a bit of pleasure beating them!
  57. [16:47:57] <+Rainne[PS4]> If there were a way to withhold consent to PVP in Open, I would play Open. As it is, it's free-for-all PVP, which I'm not interested in and which doesn't benefit me.
  58. [16:47:57] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> Hey I'm not trying to PUSH him into anything. I'm just telling him, Open isnt as bad as people say it is.It really isnt. People are scaring him away from Open it seems
  59. [16:48:08] <Elysiumchains[PC][ND]> Thargoids are everywhere. No safe place to be found!
  60. [16:48:14] <+Rainne[PS4]> Pistou: Better MMOs don't impose free-for-all PVP as a condition to play multiplayer.
  61. [16:48:41] <@Cpt_Shinobi[BureaucRat]> Pistou, really "safe space"
  62. [16:48:42] <+bninja272> o/
  63. [16:48:53] <+Rainne[PS4]> If you want free-for-all in Elite, play CQC. That's what it's there for.
  64. [16:49:14] <%Pistou> ...but then would anyone play in PvP other than PvP only players? That would split even more the player base
  65. [16:49:15] <+blueraf[offduty]> CQC doent work on PS4
  66. [16:49:21] <+Rainne[PS4]> If you want valuable cargo, kit up a hauler and haul it yourself rather than pissing on people who've actually done the work.
  67. [16:49:26] <The-DemonWolf_[PS4]> o.o every1 if u want to play in open play do if u don’t don’t , u don’t need to tell others where they can play
  68. [16:49:47] <The-DemonWolf_[PS4]> Cqc does work blueraf[offduty]
  69. [16:49:58] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> When I first started playing Elite, I got ganked, and killed a few times. I joined Mobius, stayed in that for a while. Then I saw a video on how to set up your ship for defense. And it changed my mindset
  70. [16:50:09] <+blueraf[offduty]> but is empty
  71. [16:50:10] <The-DemonWolf_[PS4]> but no one plays, u have to join a group blueraf[offduty] 2 play
  72. [16:50:20] <+Bobaaganoosh[XB]> After watching the video, I stayed in Open. Outfitted my ship. And came to love playing in Open for the interactions with other players
  73. [16:50:27] <The-DemonWolf_[PS4]> they hold weekly events ext
  74. [16:50:28] <+Rainne[PS4]> In an MMO, you'll meet people who play differently than you do. If you have a problem with people who don't want to play your cowardly ganking cat-and-mouse game, go play a different game.
  75. [16:50:44] <GreaseMonkey80> Rainne[PS4]: I feel the risk and uncertainty players bring adds to the game. yesterday I was driving around an ancient site when another player pooped in. There were plenty of nerves, probably on both sides, as we sussed each other out
  76. [16:50:53] <GreaseMonkey80> you don't get that in solo
  77. [16:51:06] <%Pistou> ...but in Elite it's definitively only a small portion of what you'll encounter
  78. [16:51:13] <GreaseMonkey80> *popped not pooped!!!!
  79. [16:51:14] <The-DemonWolf_[PS4]> o.o Rainne[PS4] can play where ever she wants
  80. [16:51:22] <Elysiumchains[PC][ND]> GreaseMonkey80: lol
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